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sacredgrooves
01-22-2009, 08:17 PM
Where the heck does this perception come from? I see this statement on other teams boards and I frankly, I am baffled as to why. Sure, he takes chances that do not always pan out, but he is gamer! I have not seen him anywhere near rattled since his performance in XL. Am I missing something?

82CardsGrad
01-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Where the heck does this perception come from? I see this statement on other teams boards and I frankly, I am baffled as to why. Sure, he takes chances that do not always pan out, but he is gamer! I have not seen him anywhere near rattled since his performance in XL. Am I missing something?

I have a huge amount of respect for Ben... I see him as a game and a flat-out winner... Not always pretty, but in the end he finds the way to get the W...
I honestly can't say I have ever seen him "rattled"... He seems to be a risk-taker for sure, but definitely not someone who gets rattled...

SteelCityKing
01-22-2009, 08:31 PM
you're right. i never seen him get rattled. he keeps his composure throughout and when it comes time to make plays, he makes them. when it comes down to game winning drives, i'd have him on my side no matter what. example, the game winning drive vs. Baltimore with the Holmes controversial catch. everyone was focused on the catch itself and not the fact that Ben drove them 92 yards to get it.

Ben is a winner and a great competitor and at this pace, a future Hall of Famer. no doubt.

JackHammer
01-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Look at what he did against the Giants this season: 13 of 29 for a completion percentage of 44.8, 189 yards with 1 TD and 4 INT's. He was sacked 5 times for a total loss of 35 yards. He was definitely rattled during that game. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Edit: It's also worth noting that he can be rattled all game, but if you give him a chance at a game tying/winning drive, he'll quickly regain his composure.

SteelCityKing
01-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Look at what he did against the Giants this season: 13 of 29 for a completion percentage of 44.8, 189 yards with 1 TD and 4 INT's. He was sacked 5 times for a total loss of 35 yards. He was definitely rattled during that game. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Edit: It's also worth noting that he can be rattled all game, but if you give him a chance at a game tying/winning drive, he'll quickly regain his composure.

as true as the statline for that game may be, it basically came down to that bad snap by Harrison. be probably could've pulled that off. but hey, we didn't. we learn to adpat, roll with it, i ching, and here we are in the Super Bowl. enough said.

i never count out Big Ben. but some of them out there want to yell at the screen "put Leftwich in!" as soon as Ben makes some stupid mistake. i'm like, "are you kidding me!? STFU! he's out starting QB...have faith you fairweather fans!" that shuts them up...and usually i'm right. =)

The Duke
01-22-2009, 08:43 PM
You cannot sleep on ben, that's the problem

He may get rattled, no QB is invulnerable, but he's probably the fastest in the league in gaining back his poise

If he throws 3INTs and you think you've beaten him- You're wrong

SC Steeler Steve
01-22-2009, 08:44 PM
you're right. i never seen him get rattled. he keeps his composure throughout and when it comes time to make plays, he makes them. when it comes down to game winning drives, i'd have him on my side no matter what. example, the game winning drive vs. Baltimore with the Holmes controversial catch. everyone was focused on the catch itself and not the fact that Ben drove them 92 yards to get it.

Ben is a winner and a great competitor and at this pace, a future Hall of Famer. no doubt.
This ^^^^ :thumbsup:
Look at what he did against the Giants this season: 13 of 29 for a completion percentage of 44.8, 189 yards with 1 TD and 4 INT's. He was sacked 5 times for a total loss of 35 yards. He was definitely rattled during that game. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Edit: It's also worth noting that he can be rattled all game, but if you give him a chance at a game tying/winning drive, he'll quickly regain his composure.

This ^^^^ :thmbdown:
And BTW, I think we still win the Giants game if not for a special teams mishap. Sure Ben has had bad games, but he doesnt get rattled.

stlrz fan
01-22-2009, 08:48 PM
Ben can get rattled but by much stronger defenses. Do you think that Arizona will bring that much pressure? And, the O lLine is performing at a much higher level than they were against the Giants.

CaliStillersFan
01-22-2009, 08:48 PM
Ben rattled??? LOL - Maybe Brady or Manning, but getting hit just pisses Ben off and makes him play better.

SteelCityKing
01-22-2009, 08:52 PM
Ben can get rattled but by much stronger defenses. Do you think that Arizona will bring that much pressure? And, the O lLine is performing at a much higher level than they were against the Giants.

that O-line has improved leaps and bounds throughout the season. so, is Ben getting better at making the plays or is the O-line getting better at protecting? either way...Ben HAS to make a play...rattled or not.

wow! i sound like Skip Bayless!

RoethlisBURGHer
01-22-2009, 08:52 PM
Ben has bad games, but I don't see him get rattled.

Derrick Anderson gets rattled. Tommy Maddox got rattled.

Stlrs4Life
01-22-2009, 09:17 PM
Makes no sense. Any NFL QB can be rattled.

tony hipchest
01-22-2009, 09:22 PM
the ravens are supposed to be able to rattle anybody. infact, ed reed i supposed to be able to pick off anybody and turn into the greatest offensive player on the field-

Quote of the Week I

"Here's my advice to the Arizona Cardinals: Don't rush Ben Roethlisberger. That makes him a playground football player. That's what he is, and he's a damn good one."

-- Baltimore defensive lineman Trevor Pryce, after Roethlisberger burned the Ravens with throws on the run out of the Pittsburgh pocket.


:hunch:

fansince'76
01-22-2009, 09:26 PM
Makes no sense. Any NFL QB can be rattled.

We have a winnah! :thumbsup:

TheSteelCurtain
01-22-2009, 09:59 PM
Makes no sense. Any NFL QB can be rattled.


I seen this title and i was gonna come in and say the same thing. I see 2 people think like me.

I like our odds rattling kurt warner a little more than the ferocious cardinal defense Rattling BIG BEN.

lilyoder6
01-22-2009, 10:05 PM
if a man keeps getting hit over and over again.. i think anyone will get happy feet

Edman
01-22-2009, 10:10 PM
Any Quarterback can be rattled when you hit them enough times. It just rarely happens to Ben is all.

Tankus_Maximus
01-22-2009, 10:28 PM
The dude had a near-death experience when did a face-plant off a crotch-rocket, and he is still playing at a pro-bowl-level. He cannot be rattled. The kid's got 'nads of steel.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-22-2009, 10:35 PM
Look back to the Eagles game. He saw too much pressure and a few times took the ball down too early instead of keeping his eyes downfield.

He is only human and pressure can make us all a bit unnerved.

steel striker
01-23-2009, 12:34 AM
I don't see the cards defense having a chance to rattle Ben. I mean if the rats defense could not get it done I don't see this happening at all. Ben has been through alot this year and, I think he will play well. Sure he has made a few mistakes but, name one qb that has not made any mistakes? You can't!

SC Steeler Steve
01-23-2009, 12:39 AM
The dude had a near-death experience when did a face-plant off a crotch-rocket, and he is still playing at a pro-bowl-level. He cannot be rattled. The kid's got 'nads of steel.

This^^^^

steelwall
01-23-2009, 01:06 AM
Sure like someone said anyone can get rattled. But Ben is tough as nails.I don't know how many times I've seen him take nasty shots, get grimacing in pain, only to throw a rope for 40+ yards.

steelreserve
01-23-2009, 01:21 AM
It doesn't seem like he gets rattled, so much as certain games he just makes mistakes from the start. Thankfully, that's not too often, and he usually does enough to keep us in the game.

Come to think of it, I can't recall a single game this year where we didn't have a chance to win right until the very end. You can't say that about a season too often.

CanadianSteel
01-23-2009, 01:32 AM
Ben can be forced into mistakes just like any QB at certain times but lately he has been money with his throws and on target.
I do think he was rattled in the first Ravens game since our O was stuck in such a funk and he was tired of beeing booed at home. Good thing is that most times he gets rattled or makes a msitake he just shakes it off and moves on as good as any QB I have ever seen.

markymarc
01-23-2009, 07:54 AM
Ben has a 7-2 playoff record and over 50 victories in his first 5 seasons. Rattle on Ben!

HometownGal
01-23-2009, 08:05 AM
Sure Ben makes a mistake here and there like all NFL QB's do, but I can't say that I'd call that "being rattled". The guy is amazingly poised back there, even when the OL wasn't doing their jobs for most of the season, and almost always found a way to make a play, sometimes even when going down or headed out of bounds to avoid a hit. Big Ben is fearless. You may see frustration in his eyes once in a blue moon, but you'll never see fear.

Dino 6 Rings
01-23-2009, 08:19 AM
Kurt can be rattled too.

91 career fumbles, 40 lost. 11 Fumbles this season, 7 lost. 14 ints on the season as well. We need him to make 3 mistakes this game and it should be over.

revefsreleets
01-23-2009, 11:19 AM
The Cards fans are desperate for hope, so they'll pretty much make-up any kind of nonsense at this point to cling to.

The media also needs compelling story lines so people will watch/care about this blow-out, and we all know sticking to the truth and facts will not be a determining factor in creating those story lines.

stlrtruck
01-23-2009, 12:35 PM
Kurt can be rattled too.

91 career fumbles, 40 lost. 11 Fumbles this season, 7 lost. 14 ints on the season as well. We need him to make 3 mistakes this game and it should be over.

We need the offense to take advantage of those 3 mistakes too. The last thing the Steelers need to do is give the cardinals hope by halftime. My choice - put a foot on their throat and stomp on it. Then on the second half, snap it!

kittenfantastico76
01-23-2009, 12:42 PM
I think sometimes his behavior that's "cautious" is seen as him being rattled... since he tends to be more of a risk taker, vs. say other QB's, when he behaves more cautious in his choices and decisions I think people think he's fearful or rattled - I think it's just like a game of chess to him, he looks for the best way to get the job done with little error if he can help it... sometimes it works for him, sometimes it doesn't in the end he does what he does best... takes a chance, waits a bit longer to make the play, steps outside of the safe zone.

I guess it's obvious I think he's an amazing player, but that's besides the point... if he's rattled.. .he certainly doesn't show it...

(I get more rattled watching him.... I hold my breathe so much before he throws that I am surprised I don't pass out!) :wink:

Steely McSmash
01-23-2009, 12:47 PM
I think this comes out of someone trying to make a case for the cards and looking at the season stats.

I haven't heard this line myself.

But for sake of argument, imagine that you're a sports journalism intern /slave somewhere and you don't follow the Steelers normally. You get tasked to analyze the game and you look up the stats. You can see all the sacks, take that as a weak point and say that the cards need to exploit that to win. This in itself is a resonable conclusion.

Saying Ben is more likely to be rattled than most is not accurate I think we agree. If BR and warner are both sacked 6 times, I think BR has the better passer rating of the two. Probably some decent rushing yards as well.

drizze99
01-23-2009, 12:54 PM
I think there is a difference between having a real bad game or games and being rattled.

The 2 games that come to my mind from this season are the Giants and Titans game. He just had awful games but I don't think for 1 second that he was rattled.

Ben takes chances and extends plays. Sometimes it gets on my nerves when he takes a sack instead of throwing the ball away but thats another story.

CargoJon
01-23-2009, 01:35 PM
Look at what he did against the Giants this season: 13 of 29 for a completion percentage of 44.8, 189 yards with 1 TD and 4 INT's. He was sacked 5 times for a total loss of 35 yards. He was definitely rattled during that game. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Edit: It's also worth noting that he can be rattled all game, but if you give him a chance at a game tying/winning drive, he'll quickly regain his composure.

Didn't we also have a holding call by Willie Colon call back a TD pass by us also?

The_WARDen
01-23-2009, 01:58 PM
Rattled or not, he's not a mental midget like McNabb....so, if they need to score with 2 minutes left then AZ is in trouble.

Crushzilla
01-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Didn't we also have a holding call by Willie Colon call back a TD pass by us also?

You'll have to be more specific; that happens once every two quarters.

CargoJon
01-23-2009, 02:33 PM
You'll have to be more specific; that happens once every two quarters.

Well played....unlike our friend Willie.:helmet:

SteelCityMom
01-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Didn't we also have a holding call by Willie Colon call back a TD pass by us also?

In the Giants game, yes. I'm pretty sure it happened in another game as well, though I can't put my finger on which one it was ATM.

kev4heels33
01-23-2009, 03:00 PM
New to the boards guys, so be easy :)

Any QB can be rattled with the right pressure...ANY QB!
With that said, I will take Ben over Kurt when it comes to dealing with pressure. In fact, the entire Steelers team has dealt with tough games/conditions throughout the entire year. We are ready!