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4xSBChamps
01-28-2009, 04:58 PM
Heard that Rod Woodson thinks the Cardinals offense offers the 'worst-possible match-up for the Pittsburgh defense', according to CinnaBon & Hornkaiser on PTI on the Wednesday 1/28/09 episode on ESPN

'spread the defense, throw the ball quickly between the seams'

Sure hope he is wrong

:doh:

fansince'76
01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
I just wish the damn game would be played already. Getting tired of a new thread being opened every 5 minutes agonizing over something yet another talking head says. :coffee:

Steel_Bus_24
01-28-2009, 05:02 PM
In theory yes...just like NE, they'll try to spread us out and throw to the flats and slot over the middle.


Of course we've changed over the years because of those cheating assbags, and hopefully our Nickle package holds up

steelpride12
01-28-2009, 05:04 PM
I can see where he is coming from. The Cards have that blitz pick up offense who makes teams pay for blitzing. The Cards did it to us last season, but we are a much different team and the test will be alot greater.

4xSBChamps
01-28-2009, 05:07 PM
I just wish the damn game would be played already. Getting tired of a new thread being opened every 5 minutes agonizing over something yet another talking head says. :coffee:

I agree, but like it or not, Woodson should have intimate knowledge of the Stillers:
CinnaBon & Hornkaiser don't know the difference between crap & apple-butter

fansince'76
01-28-2009, 05:08 PM
I agree, but like it or not, Woodson should have intimate knowledge of the Stillers:
CinnaBon & Hornkaiser don't know the difference between crap & apple-butter

How? Based on last playing for the team in 1996? There's a reason he is in sports journalism and not coaching now. I'm sure Larry Wilson can give us a few valuable insights on how the Cards' secondary will do as well, then.

steelerdave1969
01-28-2009, 05:32 PM
I thought all along that I didnt know who I would dread seeing, The Eagles with the passrush that just about killed Ben in the regular season or Kurt Warner and that powerful offense thuggernaught that the Cardinals are. Now I love the Steelers and have been a fan for wayyyy over 20 years and I can see reasoning with this game being a very close game and I dont really think the Steelers can score 17 points in this game and expect to win. They are gonna have to score in the 30's if they are gonna win on sunday in Tampa vs a very good Arizona Cardinals team.

CPanther95
01-28-2009, 05:37 PM
You jack-up their receivers at the line (something "physical" Philadelphia inexplicably failed to do in the first half) - and Warner has nobody to hit with those fast dump offs.

Without a quick release, he's toast. We don't even have to sack him, just flush him and Warner is extremely mistake-prone.

revefsreleets
01-28-2009, 06:38 PM
Yeah, it'll be horrible when they score 10 points i garbage time en route to their 31-10 or 38-17 blowout loss.

msafford
01-28-2009, 07:12 PM
Well....according to the talking heads on the stinking NFL network it seems as if the Steelers might as well not even show up on Sunday.

SteelersinCA
01-28-2009, 07:17 PM
What do you expect them to say?? If you have to pick one weakness, that would be it. Relative to everyone else it's not truly a weakness, but what's he going to say? Run at them?????

JPSEMP
01-28-2009, 07:20 PM
You jack-up their receivers at the line (something "physical" Philadelphia inexplicably failed to do in the first half) - and Warner has nobody to hit with those fast dump offs.

Without a quick release, he's toast. We don't even have to sack him, just flush him and Warner is extremely mistake-prone.

That along with alot of the sacks being a result of excellent coverage and not having to blitz heavy this year are the key. Having two stud end rushers who are able to beat the man or men on them without having to disquise thier intentions is a wonderful thing. I also think Timmons, ocassionally spelling Harrison or Woodley, could be very effective coming fast off the end.

devilsdancefloor
01-28-2009, 07:31 PM
Warner reminds me of a china doll if you do not harass him just leave him to throw quick to throw deep he is beuatiful, but make him have to move around he breaks and falls apart and makes mistakes. He doenst like getting hit at all even if we do not get the sack i think if he starts hittting the ground on a regular basis he is gonna break! Teams have tried that and FAILED. i really think the front 7 are gonna have big day! Which will make the secondary have a huge day! 2 or 3 INT and deebo has 1 FF maybe 2.

tyler289
01-28-2009, 07:40 PM
How? Based on last playing for the team in 1996? There's a reason he is in sports journalism and not coaching now. I'm sure Larry Wilson can give us a few valuable insights on how the Cards' secondary will do as well, then.


Please don't say he is in sports journalism. He is not. He is a personality. The people in sports journalism are the play-by-play guys and the anchors who have worked hard and studied to hone their craft.... I'm sorry, but I'm a journalism major at one of the best journalism schools in the country (arguably the best), and it's offensive to compare my classmates and myself to guys like Woodson, Dilfer, Sharpe, Marino...they're analysts...guys like Tirico, Simms, Michaels, Costas, Wingo, etc etc are the real journalists.

Sorry, I just don't like being compared to athletes who talk on TV, who have a different role and bring different things... (nothing personal, another one is when bloggers call themselves "journalists")


As for his comments, I think it's a bad matchup, but the Pats are a bad matchup, the Chargers are a bad matchup, blah blah blah. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses.

SteelersMongol
01-28-2009, 07:44 PM
I just wish the damn game would be played already. Getting tired of a new thread being opened every 5 minutes agonizing over something yet another talking head says. :coffee:

:laughing: Right on the money. & I lost track of reading the threads. I can't keep track of reading everything that is interesting. Whenever I see something that I thought was interesting, there is always someone who says it's double post, & closed. :chuckle:

GridironWarrior
01-28-2009, 07:44 PM
I'm not worried at all. Let them try to spread them out. Timmons will be their answer to that.

mesaSteeler
01-28-2009, 07:45 PM
Rod Woodson sees trouble ahead for the Steelers; praises Cardinals' passing
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Ed Yozwick/Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09028/945036-66.stm

TAMPA, Fla. -- Rod Woodson may have been the best defensive back to ever play the game, so he knows a little about receivers and passing offenses. And he thinks his former team could be in trouble on Sunday.

The Steelers had the No. 1 defense in the regular season, including the No. 1 defense against the pass, yet they have not seen anything like what the Arizona Cardinals could throw at them in the Super Bowl, Woodson said.

"I think it's going to be a tough task in the secondary for the Steelers just to match up on a play-by-play basis and shut those receivers down," Woodson said yesterday. "To me, this is the toughest draw the Steelers had in the NFC.

"Playing against Philly, I think they could out-tough the Eagles. Playing against the Arizona Cardinals against spread-out football, who can find all their receivers? And Kurt Warner's doing an outstanding job. I think it's a tough draw for them."

Woodson made the NFL's 75th anniversary team, the Steelers' 75th anniversary team and will be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame Saturday. He works for the NFL Network, where his opinions often are sharp, but honest.

He did not pick the Cardinals to win the Super Bowl, not yet anyway, but he did say they could pick the Steelers apart. Arizona features three 1,000-yard receivers in Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston. They helped Warner complete 67.1 percent of his passes this season. In Steelers franchise history, there have been two 1,000-yard receivers in one season only once, in 2002 with Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress.

"I think this is the toughest match the Steelers are going to face all year," Woodson said. "The way you beat a 3-4 is you spread them out and you hit them in the seams. That's exactly how Arizona plays, and that's how they played them last year without Anquan Boldin."

The Cardinals beat the Steelers, 21-14, in Arizona on Sept. 30, 2007. Warner and Matt Leinart combined for only 215 passing yards and one touchdown that day.

"If the Steelers are going to win this football game, the secondary -- the back end -- and the linebackers in coverage have to play the best they played all season long," Woodson predicted. "And if they can do that, they can win the football game. But if they have a bad day, it's over for the Steelers."

The Steelers often had trouble with spread offenses in the early part of this decade, but they've tightened up since Dick LeBeau's return as coordinator in 2004.

"You have to think ... a little advantage has to go to the Cardinals just for the fact they can spread you out, they can throw the football," Woodson said. "I can see them going to their two-minute [strategy] in their first series. What that does, you don't have the whole blitz package for Dick LeBeau at hand because you can't get into all that, the checks."

Woodson made it clear that he's pulling for the Steelers to win and just offering an opinion. He long ago overcame the biting disappointment when he felt the Steelers low-balled him in contract negotiations and he signed in the summer of 1997 with the 49ers, who moved him to safety.

"I had a little sour taste in my mouth for about two years," Woodson said. "They had to do what was best for the team. One of the main guys who was part of that, he left a couple years later, that's when I finally said, 'OK.' "

Woodson still blames former football operations director Tom Donahoe for not re-signing him, but it really was a joint decision that included coach Bill Cowher and the Rooneys.

"Pittsburgh was a great place to play, a great place to learn about pro football, the history of it, the fan base of the Steelers, and the teachers who were there -- Chuck Noll and Tony Dungy when I first got there ... and Rod Rust came in and was a mentor. Then those guys left and Bill Cowher and Dick LeBeau and Dom Capers came in. I had some great teachers, all in Pittsburgh who helped me out a great deal.

"Chuck Noll told me my rookie year, this game is 85 percent mental. It's true."

It's why he spoke about their chances yesterday with his head, not his heart.
Ed Bouchette can be reached at ebouchette@post-gazette.com.
First published on January 28, 2009 at 12:00 am

Kipper
01-28-2009, 07:49 PM
Woodson contradicted himself tonight. He talked about this was a bad matchup for us because the spread offense exposes the seams in the 3-4 defense, then later on he says that the Eagles 4-3 is nothing like the Steelers 3-4 because the 3-4 doesn't leave the seams exposed.

Woodson needs to lay off the peyote.

The Cardinals ran a spread offense against the Patriots who run a 3-4. Didn't hurt the Patriots at all who defensively aren't nowhere near as good as the Steelers. The Cardinals have faced three 4-3 teams in the playoffs this post season

The Duke
01-28-2009, 07:50 PM
I've heard nothing but disrepect for the steelers pass D all season. why should now be different? :coffee:

thing is, they always prove them wrong :tt03:

CPanther95
01-28-2009, 07:53 PM
Rule #1 for anyone in the media is to keep interest in the game for the whole week. Predicting a blowout is counterproductive, no matter how much you believe it may be the case.

The media is like Vegas, they keep shifting the line so it evens out on both sides. If for some reason, the consensus became that the Cards should win, their commentary would shift to being pro-Steeler.

Kipper
01-28-2009, 07:54 PM
The last time the Cardinals faced a 3-4 defense with that big bad spread offense?

7 points
Kurt Warner 6-18 for 30 yards and benched in favor of Matt Leinart who didn't do anything until the game was 47-0 and he hit an 78 yard garbage touchdown. Without that garbage TD Leinart was 6-13 for 60 yards and an int

GridironWarrior
01-28-2009, 07:56 PM
Seems like the media is forgetting we have 4 quality corners. Heck I think Timmons is fast enough to cover Boldin.

fansince'76
01-28-2009, 08:13 PM
Please don't say he is in sports journalism. He is not. He is a personality. The people in sports journalism are the play-by-play guys and the anchors who have worked hard and studied to hone their craft.... I'm sorry, but I'm a journalism major at one of the best journalism schools in the country (arguably the best), and it's offensive to compare my classmates and myself to guys like Woodson, Dilfer, Sharpe, Marino...they're analysts...guys like Tirico, Simms, Michaels, Costas, Wingo, etc etc are the real journalists.

Sorry, I just don't like being compared to athletes who talk on TV, who have a different role and bring different things... (nothing personal, another one is when bloggers call themselves "journalists").

Sorry, my bad - turns out I was giving Woodson more credit than he deserved. :hatsoff:

BlastFurnace
01-28-2009, 08:15 PM
I just wish the damn game would be played already. Getting tired of a new thread being opened every 5 minutes agonizing over something yet another talking head says. :coffee:

You and me both! Sunday can't get here fast enough.

HometownGal
01-28-2009, 08:21 PM
:laughing: Right on the money. & I lost track of reading the threads. I can't keep track of reading everything that is interesting. Whenever I see something that I thought was interesting, there is always someone who says it's double post, & closed. :chuckle:

How do ya think we feel as Mods? There are new threads flying through this forum on an hourly basis and Gary and I have run ourselves ragged trying to keep track of all of them to make sure they aren't duplicates, which further clogs up the forum.

With regard to Woodson - deep down he believes the Steelers will win. He can't come across as a homer as that isn't what the public wants - they love controversy and gloom and doom. Not a huge deal here.

SteelerDeli_Dad
01-28-2009, 08:39 PM
No kidding this is a bad match-up...How many D's in the league is Arizona's O not a bad match-up? Doesn't mean this All-World D won't still do what need to be done to win this game. What is our O a good match-up for their D...I don't think so.

tyler289
01-28-2009, 08:50 PM
Sorry, my bad - turns out I was giving Woodson more credit than he deserved. :hatsoff:

No problem. As I said, nothing personal, but I really hate it when people say the talking heads are "journalists." HA

go steelers

lilyoder6
01-28-2009, 08:58 PM
i think ppl are forgetting that the steeler off can actually put up points as well.. obv all the att is the cards o and our def... but i think our off should be able to move the ball easily on the cards def.. they rly don't have anyone "major".. i think this is where it comes down to

shevdog
01-28-2009, 09:03 PM
Well, Woodson does have a valid point. Spreading things out has got to be the way to explode this Steelers D. But it won't disassembly it, since it has been tried before throughout the season.

As for worse possible, not really.

As always, too much time to talk and not enough to talk about.

stlrz fan
01-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Woodson could tone it down a little bit. It's one thing to not be a Homer but to listen to him you would think that we have no chance of beating Arizona.

OneForTheToe
01-29-2009, 12:42 AM
I have no problem with what Rod said. He didn't say the Cards O is better than our D. He just said they are the worst match-up for our D from the NFC. How is he wrong? Being the worst match-up doesn't mean you are better. I think the Cards O is a harder match-up that the Eagles or Panthers.

I agree with HTG. Deep down I think he thinks we will win, but if he just keeps saying that over and over again that doesn't help his cred on the show.

Also, keep in mind that it is Eddie B who wrote the article. That's why you get quotes like "He did not pick the Cardinals to win the Super Bowl, not yet anyway ....." Where did that come from "Fast Eddie?"

Michael Keller
01-29-2009, 01:12 AM
I just wish the damn game would be played already. Getting tired of a new thread being opened every 5 minutes agonizing over something yet another talking head says. :coffee:

I feel like football season ended after the Raven game. I wish they would just play the dam game the following week . I know all the reasons why they don"t but I get really bored with all this talk.

redst3
01-29-2009, 03:02 AM
You jack-up their receivers at the line (something "physical" Philadelphia inexplicably failed to do in the first half) - and Warner has nobody to hit with those fast dump offs..

Bolden's pretty physical. Clark is going to have to pop him good. I am not usre if our corners can do it though I hope so. :helmet:

redst3
01-29-2009, 03:05 AM
i think ppl are forgetting that the steeler off can actually put up points as well.. obv all the att is the cards o and our def...

Yes.

Jamie Dukes brought that up on NFLCh the other night. No one is talking about the fact that the "Zona Defense may be in oiver their heads.

Also, I think Edge may be held under 50 yards.

Hines0wnz
02-01-2009, 03:43 PM
*burns woodson jersey*

Now now.....he is just giving an opinion. :flap:

steveironcity
02-01-2009, 03:50 PM
*Burns Woodson*

Hines0wnz
02-01-2009, 03:57 PM
*Burns Woodson*

Darren Woodson? :flap:

1978steeler
02-01-2009, 03:59 PM
Blah Blah lets just play football already...Woodson's ( and man I love Rod to death ) paycheck is from the NFL Network now and that means HYPE HYPE HYPE. They have alot of time to waste before kickoff.

43Hitman
02-01-2009, 04:01 PM
*Burns Woodson*

The man has the right to his opinion, even if it is a wrong one. He will always be one of my all time favorites.

steveironcity
02-01-2009, 04:16 PM
The man has the right to his opinion, even if it is a wrong one. He will always be one of my all time favorites.

I was kidding... I just wanted to one-up the guy who said *burn woodsons jersey*

43Hitman
02-01-2009, 04:26 PM
I was kidding... I just wanted to one-up the guy who said *burn woodsons jersey*


Lol, it's all good man. We are all a bit amped up today. Sorry for misrepresenting you.

BehindSteelCurtain
02-01-2009, 04:42 PM
If we can get pressure and penetration with Hampton, Kiesel, and Smith that would be a huge advantage.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-01-2009, 11:23 PM
Congrats to Rod for getting into the HOF and for being wrong.

Lombardi #6 !!!!

SteelShooter
02-01-2009, 11:32 PM
Congrats to Rod for getting into the HOF and for being wrong.

Lombardi #6 !!!!


Yeah! What he said! :thumbsup:

SteelersMongol
02-02-2009, 09:23 AM
I think he was seeing something that we didn't. But we pulled it off.

markymarc
02-02-2009, 10:09 AM
Congrats to Rod for getting into the HOF and for being wrong.

Lombardi #6 !!!!

Absolutely!!!!!