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Frankie3521
02-05-2009, 04:03 PM
While watching the Rome is Burning show today and seeing ward getting a special bottle of crown royal for everybody on the team ( what a good guy ). I got to thinking, is he a lock for the hall of fame? I sure think so. Two super bowl wins, super bowl MVP, will easily pass 10k rec yards, 72 TD's, and one of the best blocking receivers to ever play.

The guy is just going to continue to add to his TD total and receiving total, and hopefully the super bowl wins as well! I think the guy is now a lock for the hall of fame, I don't see how he can't be.

gosteeler
02-05-2009, 04:16 PM
I don't think he will make it in the first year but I think he will make the hall of fame someday!!! I think he is top ten to ever play myself!!!!

fansince'76
02-05-2009, 04:19 PM
I don't think he will make it in the first year but I think he will make the hall of fame someday!!! I think he is top ten to ever play myself!!!!

Agreed - I don't think he'll be first ballot, but he should eventually make it.

Frankie3521
02-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Agreed - I don't think he'll be first ballot, but he should eventually make it.

I agree, but I don't agree that he is top ten to ever play..

OX1947
02-05-2009, 04:21 PM
Hines Ward Stats:

800 Rec
9,780 Yards
72 TD Recpetions
1 Rushing TD
Greatest Blocking Receiver in NFL history.
2-time World Champion
Super Bowl MVP
All time Steelers Recieving record holder. That's with Hall of Famers Stallworth and Swann.

Voters know that during the Ward era he was in a running offense. And yet he still broke steeler records.

I believe Hines will play 3 more years and seal his hall of fame career in those last 3 years. With his current pace, he should end up with 1,000 catches, which would be an unbelievable stat considering how much the Steelers ran during his career. 12,000 at least in Receiving yards and right around 90 TDs. Those stats and 2 super bowls with the MVP would get him in at some point. If the Steelers win one more, even quicker for him to get in, and if he gets another SB MVP, that would make him a first ballot hall of famer.

lilyoder6
02-05-2009, 04:22 PM
ward rly doesn't have the eye popping stats.. he may get in and he may not get in.. it just depends on who is voting at the time

fansince'76
02-05-2009, 04:26 PM
I agree, but I don't agree that he is top ten to ever play..

Me neither - neglected to pare that off my response.

fansince'76
02-05-2009, 04:27 PM
Voters know that during the Ward era he was in a running offense. And yet he still broke steeler records.

And with QBs that had a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn for more than half his career up to now.

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 04:29 PM
i would say he's definitely going into the Hall of Fame for what's he done as a Pittsburgh Steeler. his records and his on and off field demenure. he's got heart and character and that overshines his stats sometimes. but, the Hall of Fame voters don't vote you in for being a sweetheart. it's about digits and how you played during your career. a few things that set him apart from other recievers that would go in at his time, he has tenure with the Steelers, his ability to play as a hard hitting WR, and that super cute smile! haha!

i would go as far as to say he would be a Hall of Famer on his first try. =)

AllD
02-05-2009, 04:33 PM
If he remains with the team he is a lock as long as there are only a few Steeler haters voting. He is responsible for w-i-n-n-i-n-g.

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 04:38 PM
If he remains with the team he is a lock as long as there are only a few Steeler haters voting. He is responsible for w-i-n-n-i-n-g.

i'm sure at this rate, he will retire a Steeler. i just hope his career doesn't end on bad terms or injury. i hope he bows out at the top of his game and leaves the NFL on a high note. i'm also hoping he woldn't pull a Favre and "retire" only to come back and blow goats! haha!

Hannity_on_Holmes
02-05-2009, 04:49 PM
Ward also has a unique background. He is the hard-hitting korean reciever that [in my opinion] does so as a way to get back at all the bullies of his childhood.

Presumptuous? Hell yes. But probably true!

BleedBlacknGold0
02-05-2009, 05:28 PM
Irvin - 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards, 65 TDs.

Largent - 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs

These are 2 of the "newer" wide receivers in the HOF.

There is no reason Ward wouldnt compare to those numbers hec he already has Irvin just about beat.

fansince'76
02-05-2009, 05:32 PM
Irvin - 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards, 65 TDs.

Largent - 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs

These are 2 of the "newer" wide receivers in the HOF.

There is no reason Ward wouldnt compare to those numbers hec he already has Irvin just about beat.

Yes, but to Ward's detriment, he has never been busted in a hotel room with coke and hookers. :coffee:

OX1947
02-05-2009, 05:40 PM
Yes, but to Ward's detriment, he has never been busted in a hotel room with coke and hookers. :coffee:

HAHAHAHAHAH, and don't forget, wearing a fur coat to court to show how sorry he really was about getting caught.

Frankie3521
02-05-2009, 06:06 PM
Irvin - 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards, 65 TDs.

Largent - 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs

These are 2 of the "newer" wide receivers in the HOF.

There is no reason Ward wouldnt compare to those numbers hec he already has Irvin just about beat.

Largent was a hell of a reciever. I think Ward will easily end his career as a better receiver than Irvin.

Harrison92
02-05-2009, 06:13 PM
Ward will be in the Hall of Fame for sure but when?...I don't know:noidea:

xFreeWord420x
02-05-2009, 06:28 PM
He will definantly be inducted, but I am afraid it will be a long wait. WR's like war don't get quite the respect a Moss or Owens gets. He isn't an entertainer. Hines Ward is what we, as the "Steelers Nation", call a "FOOTBALL Player". He plays for the love of the game, and not for the love of money. He puts everything he has out there on the field every game. The entertainers are the ones who get in fast.

It's ridiculous, but it is the truth.

Ward is by far in the top 10 all time recievers in my mind, because of his ability to block, and throw people around. You watch any of the old WR's, and none of them block quite like him.. any of the moder either.

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 06:52 PM
He will definantly be inducted, but I am afraid it will be a long wait. WR's like war don't get quite the respect a Moss or Owens gets. He isn't an entertainer. Hines Ward is what we, as the "Steelers Nation", call a "FOOTBALL Player". He plays for the love of the game, and not for the love of money. He puts everything he has out there on the field every game. The entertainers are the ones who get in fast.

It's ridiculous, but it is the truth.

Ward is by far in the top 10 all time recievers in my mind, because of his ability to block, and throw people around. You watch any of the old WR's, and none of them block quite like him.. any of the moder either.

he takes hits like he gives hits...and that makes a great player. willing to sacrifice his body to make one simple play. he's NOT underrated, but he does fly under the radar alot.

Steelersfanforlife
02-05-2009, 06:59 PM
While watching the Rome is Burning show today and seeing ward getting a special bottle of crown royal for everybody on the team ( what a good guy ). I got to thinking, is he a lock for the hall of fame? I sure think so. Two super bowl wins, super bowl MVP, will easily pass 10k rec yards, 72 TD's, and one of the best blocking receivers to ever play.

The guy is just going to continue to add to his TD total and receiving total, and hopefully the super bowl wins as well! I think the guy is now a lock for the hall of fame, I don't see how he can't be.
Hopefully he will join the numerous Steelers Players in the HOF

tyler289
02-05-2009, 07:07 PM
For him to deserve it, he needs to play at a top level for 3-4 more years. His numbers right now don't get him in, but if he plays well for another 3 years, he'll have a good chance.

Plus, in this era, there are a lot of deserving players. By the time he retires, TO, Marvin Harrison, etc will be competing for spots. A lot of the other players have played in pass-happy offenses, which will help Ward, but he still will have a tough time.

He is by no means a lock. Has he ever been considered an "elite" receiver? He's one of the best all-around guys in the league, but there are a lot of better receivers out there.


He's by far the most physical receiver to play in this era of receivers, which will only help him, but we'll see.

VTsteel
02-05-2009, 07:12 PM
Another Superbowl MVP would put him in

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 07:15 PM
Another Superbowl MVP would put him in

there is a great chance of that happening, but i think if he can grind out a few more years and retire a Steeler with the records he has within the franchise itself...then he's a shoe in for sure. i know he'll make it. he can have a bust next to Rod Woodson and Jerome Bettis. =)

Harrison92
02-05-2009, 07:19 PM
there is a great chance of that happening, but i think if he can grind out a few more years and retire a Steeler with the records he has within the franchise itself...then he's a shoe in for sure. i know he'll make it. he can have a bust next to Rod Woodson and Jerome Bettis. =)

Yeah..He has the heart and takes care of his body so he'll be around about 3 or so yrs.Heck maybe he'll surprise us in the future with his play!

SteelersinCA
02-05-2009, 07:22 PM
I'll tell you what, Cris Carter not getting in for the 2nd time has me scared for Ward. I don't know what the voters are thinking, Carter should be a lock. I love Hines to death but I wouldn't say he was better than Carter.

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 07:24 PM
I'll tell you what, Cris Carter not getting in for the 2nd time has me scared for Ward. I don't know what the voters are thinking, Carter should be a lock. I love Hines to death but I wouldn't say he was better than Carter.

i was surprised at that one too. but look at it this way...if Hines doesn't get in, Bettis is going to next year. so, we can STILL revel in another Hall of Famer from the Steel City. na'mean?

so, let's take them as they come and celebrate when that time does come. just like you and all of the Steeler Nation, i want Hines in. he deserves it more than anyone in the league right now. but Bettis comes first...and what about Cowher? would he go in?

SteelersinCA
02-05-2009, 07:27 PM
I doubt Cowher gets in, he didn't have that great of a career, we sucked for a good while during his tenure. Only 1 ring and no real change to the game, just good hard nosed football.

SteelCityKing
02-05-2009, 07:31 PM
I doubt Cowher gets in, he didn't have that great of a career, we sucked for a good while during his tenure. Only 1 ring and no real change to the game, just good hard nosed football.

good point. squash that debate. haha!

MDSteel15
02-05-2009, 07:37 PM
Irvin - 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards, 65 TDs.

Largent - 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs

These are 2 of the "newer" wide receivers in the HOF.

There is no reason Ward wouldnt compare to those numbers hec he already has Irvin just about beat.

Come on, at the time Largent was the all-time leader in all 3 catagories!
Irvin is a crack baby......

MDSteel15
02-05-2009, 07:39 PM
Carter is being put on hold because of his off field issues IMO... Cower is a lock! Look at his winning percentage.

jjpro11
02-05-2009, 08:11 PM
i think ward getting a second ring sealed the deal for him. plus, i think a lot of voters like him and appreciate what he has done as a player and a person.. you can say what you want about stats, but i havent heard of any football purist out there that doesnt like ward and what he brings to the field. cris carter had a troubled past and never won a super bowl.. irvin had an even more troubled past, but won 3 super bowls. plus, being the best blocking receiver of all-time and holding every steelers wr record counts for something.

as for cowher, he is a lock.. he was one of the top 2-3 coaches of his era. cowher's teams were perennial contenders and won a super bowl. only belicheat and shanahan could be considered more successful because of their super bowl wins.

dash66
02-05-2009, 08:26 PM
Carter is being put on hold because of his off field issues IMO... Cower is a lock! Look at his winning percentage.

I agree with MDSteel15! Cower will go in. Yes he had a few loosing years, but so did every other coach that I can think of who's in. I seem to recall Chuck Noll having a few loosing seasons of his own (admitidly he has more rings than Cower however)

Also, under him, the Steelers got into the playoffs more times than under Noll, Won the Division the same number of times as Noll, all in 7 less years than Noll. I realize that 4 beats two, but still with all of that going for him, I don't see any way that he won't be voted in.

Also, none of that is including what he might do when he comes back. If he wins, that would help immensly, while loosing would definately hurt his chances (I still think he might make it though)

Just my opinion.

xFreeWord420x
02-05-2009, 10:16 PM
As much as everyone neglects to admit, voting isn't just based around stats. It is off the field personality, and contributions to the game. Ward runs a charity organization and is a part of a bunch. An all around outstanding guy, and a great WR. There is no doubt he will get in, it is just a matter of when.

Also, Cowher will definantly get in.. Don't forget his years playing. He has contributed to the NFL as much as anyother coach in the HOF now.

I have a feeling they are going to start to be a little more strict though, being the number of guys in and getting in.

I hate to say it, because I love him, but if Woodson got in, Cowher and Ward are a shoe in.

SteelersinCA
02-05-2009, 10:20 PM
I'd have to take a closer look at Cowher, he's young enough to get in in 3 more years and then come back to coaching, that would be sweet.

jjpro11
02-06-2009, 12:13 AM
As much as everyone neglects to admit, voting isn't just based around stats. It is off the field personality, and contributions to the game. Ward runs a charity organization and is a part of a bunch. An all around outstanding guy, and a great WR. There is no doubt he will get in, it is just a matter of when.

Also, Cowher will definantly get in.. Don't forget his years playing. He has contributed to the NFL as much as anyother coach in the HOF now.

I have a feeling they are going to start to be a little more strict though, being the number of guys in and getting in.

I hate to say it, because I love him, but if Woodson got in, Cowher and Ward are a shoe in.

woodson was on the all-75th anniversary team.. so he was very deserving of going in 1st ballot.

xFreeWord420x
02-06-2009, 12:26 AM
woodson was on the all-75th anniversary team.. so he was very deserving of going in 1st ballot.

I wasn't saying he wasn't deserving! I was just saying Cowher and Ward are much more deserving.

devilsdancefloor
02-06-2009, 12:28 AM
Im affraid that it wil take some time before he gets in he is kinda one of those guys like art monk! it took Art a long while before he got in and i expect the same with hines.

LambertLunatic
02-06-2009, 06:54 AM
It's hard to call Ward a lock when Dermonti Dawson can't even get in.

Galax Steeler
02-06-2009, 07:10 AM
It's hard to call Ward a lock when Dermonti Dawson can't even get in.

I can't believe that Dawson didn't make it. Ward will make it but probably not on the first ballot if he could get one more mvp from the superbowl then he could be a first ballot he will be there but when who knows.

atlsteelers
02-06-2009, 09:14 AM
i think ward will be make it to the Hall on the first vote. He is a football player more than he is a wide reciever and folks respect that. I want i us to resign him this off season so that he can retire a steeler. i know that the steelers often let veterans walk but i would like to the see the steelers make an exception for ward

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-06-2009, 09:48 AM
While watching the Rome is Burning show today and seeing ward getting a special bottle of crown royal for everybody on the team ( what a good guy ). .

I'm glad its a special bottle of crown. The normal stuff is cheap.

Hines will be the modern day Art Monk. A guy that takes a real long time to get in ......if he ever gets in. He's not a guy that any D coordinator ever gameplans to stop or requires double coverage, so its gonna be an uphill battle for him. Still, talk to guys like Marino and they will trade in the HOF for a ring anyday.

steelpride12
02-06-2009, 10:04 AM
I love Crown Royal good to see a respectable man drinks it as well. Yes he will make the Hall of fame, more than likely not on the first ballot, but we shall see his name down the road.

Sixburgh Baby
02-06-2009, 10:04 AM
I don't think he will make it in the first year but I think he will make the hall of fame someday!!! I think he is top ten to ever play myself!!!!

Maybe I'm just biased because of my Steelerness... but, a guy like Hines should go 1st round. He's got the yards, he's got the stats AND he's easily the best blocking WR ever. On top of that, you add 2 rings and an SB MVP? What else can they ask for?

I'm sure guys without his type of achievements went in 1st ballot - what do you think?

xFreeWord420x
02-06-2009, 11:40 AM
I'm glad its a special bottle of crown. The normal stuff is cheap.

Hines will be the modern day Art Monk. A guy that takes a real long time to get in ......if he ever gets in. He's not a guy that any D coordinator ever gameplans to stop or requires double coverage, so its gonna be an uphill battle for him. Still, talk to guys like Marino and they will trade in the HOF for a ring anyday.


Not trying to start an argument, but this comment is 100% wrong. There are plenty of DCs who plan around him, and I have seen him double covered plenty of times.

Milkman
02-06-2009, 11:51 AM
While watching the Rome is Burning show today and seeing ward getting a special bottle of crown royal for everybody on the team ( what a good guy ). I got to thinking, is he a lock for the hall of fame? I sure think so. Two super bowl wins, super bowl MVP, will easily pass 10k rec yards, 72 TD's, and the best blocking receiver to ever play.

The guy is just going to continue to add to his TD total and receiving total, and hopefully the super bowl wins as well! I think the guy is now a lock for the hall of fame, I don't see how he can't be.

/fixed

:drink:

STEEL-MAN
02-06-2009, 12:09 PM
Yes! He's not close to being done. Ward has a chance to be in at least one more SB. He is one of the best to ever play the game, He by himself has redefined the position. i think anytime a player does that he goes in the hall.

westcoastransplant
02-06-2009, 12:50 PM
I think it might take some time but he will eventually get in. Look how long it took to get Swanni and Stalworth in and Wards numbers are a lot better, other then 2 less rings. I'm still a little steamed that Dawson didn't get in. I wonder if voters are thinking there is a little too much black and gold in the hall already, like thats a bad thing. :noidea:

revefsreleets
02-06-2009, 01:11 PM
I'm gonna say no. Why? A few reasons.

A) He's a Steeler. There is now a stigma of "There's too many Steeler in the Hall". A Rod Woodson HAS to go 1st ballot, as does Bettis IMO, because he's the greatest big back ever to play the game, but those are two guys that will make it harder, not easier for an "on the cusp" Steeler to get in. Dirt Dawson is not in for this very reason, and he SHOULD be there beyond a doubt.
B) Glut of big name WR's in and around his era. There are guys that retiring and will be retiring around him that will get in first, or will at leats muddy the waters.
C) His numbers are solid, but not great. The second SB helps a TON, but will it be enough? If he DOES get in it's because he was instrumental in guiding two teams to championships.