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Steelcitygal87
02-10-2009, 08:07 AM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=516196





THE CANADIAN PRESS

LONDON, Ont. -- Fighting should be eliminated from hockey at all levels of the game, according to recommendations released Tuesday from an expert panel dealing with concussions in hockey.

"Fighting is one of the known causes of concussion, and may result in the related long-term complications," the panel's summary statement says. "Fighting can cause needless death."

The recommendations, resulting from meetings at the London Hockey Concussion Summit on Jan. 17-18, also calls from an elimination of high hits/head hits.

"Those are significant ones," Summit chair Dr. Paul Echlin said. "The reduction of hits from behind has had a major effect on the incidence of broken necks in hockey and similarly, the reduction of high/head hits should reduce the incidence of concussions."

Panellists on The Concussion Summit included four former players, three of whom were knocked out of the National Hockey League as the result of concussions -- Eric Lindros, Jeff Beukeboom and Alyn McCauley -- along with Canadian national women's team player Jennifer Botterill, who was sidelined for a protracted period with concussion.

Echlin stresses, however, that there was no consensus on all the recommendations.

"The recommendations in this statement are designed to serve as a framework for future discussion, and to promote significant change concerning the prevention, recognition, and management of concussions in hockey," the statement says.

Echlin and co-chair Dr. Charles Tator, professor of neurosurgery at the University of Toronto, put their recommendations together via e-mail with the participants after poring over the minutes of the day-after meeting.

The recommendations will go to the media, various hockey groups and medical associations.

Along with the rules recommendations, the panel advised a concussion certification program in which trainers, coaches and officials would gain knowledge aimed at recognizing and treating concussion.

Those teams that have pre-season physicals with medical professionals, Echlin said, have added benefits. Few young players ever see a doctor and physicals sometimes indicate problems other than neurological, such as cardiac-related.

Other recommendations in today's release are the adoption of an NHL/Ontario Hockey League role model program, studies leading to a data collection system, pre-season screening and a survey of protective equipment.

Echlin and Tator said were gratified by the turnout of 380 hockey people Jan. 17 and felt a step closer to their goal -- a unified body that involves all levels of hockey and could expand into other sports.

Football Canada was a non-hockey participant in the recommendations along with the NHL, NHL Players' Association, the OHL, Ontario Hockey Association, Ontario Hockey Federation along with a number of medical and therapeutic bodies.

Echlin said the prospective name for a central agency dealing with concussion is Hockey Concussion Initiative, which would first involve hockey and ultimately serve as a model for all sports in which head injuries occur such as football, soccer, rugby, skiing, skateboarding and cycling.

"Sometimes, events like the Concussion Summit are held and everyone departs until another one is held," Echlin said in an interview. "Our goal is to move forward from this and work to find solutions to a growing problem".

Echlin has hands-on experience with concussion this season.

Six of 23 players on the junior development team he works with have suffered concussion, one requiring disqualification for the remainder of the season.


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What are your thoughts? Should it be eliminated all together, just on certain levels?

PisnNapalm
02-10-2009, 09:25 AM
No. It's a tough guy sport, let them fight if they want.

Cripes...

HometownGal
02-10-2009, 09:36 AM
Jesus Christ - are they now trying to turn hockey into a pussified sport just like the NFL? :doh::banging:

Players can get concussions in many ways playing such a rough, hard-hitting game. What's next - not being permitted to smash a guy into the boards? :banging:

Steelcitygal87
02-10-2009, 09:53 AM
No. It's a tough guy sport, let them fight if they want.

Cripes...

That's exactly what I say. Fighting is in integral part of the game. Hockey would not be hockey without the fighting. These players know what the risks are before they begin even playing the sport. Just as in football...they understand what they are in for when they pursue this type of extremely physical sport.


"Fighting is one of the known causes of concussion, and may result in the related long-term complications," the panel's summary statement says. "Fighting can cause needless death."

So is getting tackled/sacked in football, but they haven't outlawed that......YET.

This is all coming up for discussion in regards to the Sanderson death that happened on Dec. 12th.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112009/sports/moresports/sanderson_death_must_change_hockey_cultu_149650.ht m

pittsburghp8baller
02-10-2009, 10:36 AM
this comes up EVERY year, and now it has been blown way out because of that Sanderson death. its tragic yes, but all are aware that something like this is possible every time someone fights. in fact in the OHL its made a rule now to stop the fight IF the helmets come off at ANY point in the fight. not a bad rule for junior players. the only amending they have to do to the fighting aspect is get rid of the instigator penalty so players have to answer for there own crap they pull on the ice (yea im talking to you Matt Cooke, being on the Pens dont get u a free pass)

Fire Haley
02-10-2009, 10:45 AM
I'd say fighting leads to more broken hands than concussions.

Ask Fedotenko.

pittsburghp8baller
02-10-2009, 10:47 AM
I'd say fighting leads to more broken hands than concussions.

Ask Fedotenko.

and broken orbitals, ask Big Mac from Edm and Mark Bell formely of Toronto (Godard to Big Mac this year and Malone to Bell last year)

steelpride12
02-10-2009, 11:16 AM
First football, now hockey. Fighting has been a part of this long lasting sport since day one. Its a strategy used to help sway the momentum in a game and to protect teammates on the ice. Hockey is loved by many just for the fights and scrums, and taking away all of that would just kill the fan base and the players themselves. This is a tough sports and every player will agree.

Fire Haley
02-10-2009, 11:36 AM
Without the threat of retaliation, Sid and Malkin would never see the puck - they would be blasted every time they touch the ice.

And of course, fighting is never a part of the playoffs - nobody wants to face extra PP's.

Godfather
02-10-2009, 12:29 PM
Fighting is part of hockey, period.

They have good rules in place like the third man in rule to keep it from getting out of hand.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-10-2009, 01:07 PM
What they need to do is take away the "instigator penalty" so that guys can self police any cheap shots or head shots.

I like the 3rd man in rule, but there is no way that players were dishing out head shots 20-30 years ago the way they are now.

This is pretty much the equivalent to putting belts with flags on the QB so you don't have to tackle them to get them down.

X-Terminator
02-10-2009, 02:12 PM
Absolutely not. And it should be mentioned that in a recent ESPN poll, 90% of the fans thought fighting should stay in the game. For God's sake, hasn't the game been pussified enough already? Most nights I feel like I'm watching Disney on Ice. I popped in a DVD of the Pens/Flyers playoff game from 1989 last year, when Mario scored 5 goals in a 10-7 win (this game also featured Flyers' goalie Ron Hextall chasing the Pens' Rob Brown down the ice after he'd scored a goal)...my God how the game has changed. That was back when it was still a man's game and so much more fun to watch. You think Chris Simon would have gotten away with stomping Jarkko Ruutu's leg with nothing more than a suspension back in 1989? Or Randy Jones nearly ending Patrice Bergeron's career with a hit from behind? I don't think so. If you get rid of fighting, I guarantee you the number of cheap shots will increase dramatically. But idiots like this "panel" and sissies like Pierre McGuire can't see the forest for the trees.

Fire Bettman.

Drop the instigator penalty.

Hire Brian Burke (as pro-fighting as it gets) as NHL Commissioner.

The Duke
02-10-2009, 08:15 PM
NO

Main reason I enjoy hockey is the fights. Leave the sissy rules for soccer

SteelCityMan786
02-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Leave fighting alone.

TackleMeBen
02-13-2009, 02:47 PM
fighting is part of hockey. i remember the one year the wings and avs were playing and claude and mccarty had it out. that was a great fight.

that is why people say they went to a fight and a hockey game broke out..lol

KeiselPower99
02-16-2009, 08:50 PM
They get rid of fighting Im out.

KeiselPower99
02-16-2009, 08:51 PM
fighting is part of hockey. i remember the one year the wings and avs were playing and claude and mccarty had it out. that was a great fight.

that is why people say they went to a fight and a hockey game broke out..lol

That one fight where Roy and the Wings goalie got it on . Man that still pumps me up. Im gonna go watch that on youtube now.

devilsdancefloor
02-16-2009, 09:13 PM
there was nothing better than going to a blackhawks game to watch bob probert take on ty domi! thoise 2 could be in the same state with out punching one another!:tt03:
Go blackhawks!:tt03:

Steelcitygal87
02-16-2009, 09:26 PM
there was nothing better than going to a blackhawks game to watch bob probert take on ty domi! thoise 2 could be in the same state with out punching one another!:tt03:
Go blackhawks!:tt03:

Domi was one tough son of a gun! A friend of mine worked at a shop in Shelburne, Ontario( about an hour or so from Toronto) and Ty's wife used to stop in all the time. He got to talking to Mrs. Domi one day(this was years ago) and she mentioned to him that Mario L. was talking to Domi about possibly getting him to come and play for the Pens. How cool would that have been? :tt03:

Galax Steeler
02-19-2009, 04:25 AM
Let them whack away on each other that is what makes the sport of hockey.

stlrtruck
02-19-2009, 07:08 AM
I personally think that if they ban fighting in hockey they will lose the true hockey fan and the fair weathers will eventually stop showing up.

Then you'll see the league fold under.

westcoastransplant
02-19-2009, 01:49 PM
The refs are breaking up figts way to quickly this season. They might as well ban the whole thing since they never let them go. The one thing I miss is the goalie fights, like the ones between Roy and Osgood where they would slowly skate towards eachother and meet at center ice. Those were some cool fights.