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Bobw
02-10-2009, 06:02 PM
Here are some interesting stats which show Ben is in the same class (if not better) than Payton and Brady. At least when it matters the most. I went back and compared their quarterback playoff game stats in the years they each won the Superbowl in the order in which they won them.

Superbowl # Player/Year Comp-Att-Pct-Yrds-TDs-Ints-QB Rating-Yrds per Game
Payton's 1st / 2006 97-153 63.4% -1,304 yrds - 3td - 7ints - 70.4 - 258yrdpg
Brady's 1st / 2001 60-97 61.9% - 572 yrds - 1td - 1int - 77.3 - 191 yrdpg
Ben's 1st / 2005 58-93 62.4% - 803 yrds - 7td+2R - 3int 101.7 201 yrdpg

And they call Ben a game manager. In Brady's first Superbowl playoff run he throws 1td and 1int and has qb rating of 77.3 over 3 games. Payton throws 3tds - 7ints and has a qb rating of 70.4 over 4 games. Ben throws 7tds and rushes for 2 more and has qb rating of 101.7 over 4 games. Hard not to argue that Ben's 1st Superbowl run makes Brady's and Payton's seem kind of pathetic. Hell, in 2000, Trent Dilfer had 3tds - 1int and QB rating of 83.7 in his 4 playoff games.

Superbowl # Player/Year Comp-Att-Pct-Yrds-TDs-Ints-QB Rating-Yrds per Game
Payton's 2nd - Oops doesn't have one despite making the playoffs in 9 seasons
Brady's 2nd / 2003 75/126 59.5% 792yrds 5tds - 2ints 84.5 - 264 yrdpg
Ben' 2nd / 2005 54/89 60.7% 692yrds 3tds - 1ints 91.6 - 231 yrdpg

Ben's 2nd Superbowl playoff run stats are very comparable to Bradys. When you factor in Ben's scrambling to overcome a suspect OL and the game winning drive, it seems to me that Ben outperformed Brady in his second Superbowl. Almost forgot, Brady also had the defensive plays before ball was snapped. Wonder if that helped inflate his stats?

One final thing. Here are their cumulative stats for all their playoff games

Player Win-Loss Comp% Tds Ints QB rating
Payton 7-8 61.7% 22 17 83.16
Brady 11-2 61.8% 12 5 85.96
Ben 8-2 61.9% 15+2(r) 12 88.34

Ben has played in 3 less playoff games but has 3 more passing touchdowns + 2 rushing touchdowns than Brady.

So much for Ben not having the stats to compare with Payton and Brady.

Benzbrother
02-10-2009, 07:00 PM
Definitely a great post. People are quick to forget Ben's exceptional playoff stats only because he had a sub-par first superbowl. When you lay everything out like that it really proves that Ben should definitely be placed on the same level as Manning and Brady.

The Patriot
02-10-2009, 07:40 PM
One final thing. Here are their cumulative stats for all their playoff games

Player Win-Loss Comp% Tds Ints QB rating
Payton 7-8 61.7% 22 17 83.16
Brady 11-2 61.8% 12 5 85.96
Ben 8-2 61.9% 15+2(r) 12 88.34

Ben has played in 3 less playoff games but has 3 more passing touchdowns + 2 rushing touchdowns than Brady.

So much for Ben not having the stats to compare with Payton and Brady.
I don't know where you got Brady's stats but...

Player_Win/Loss_Comp%__TDs__RTDs_Ints_QB Rating
Brady___14-3____62.5_____26____2____12___88.0
Roeth___8-2_____61.9_____15____2____12___87.2

Not to say that been doesn't have impressive stats but have them right.

Benzbrother
02-10-2009, 07:50 PM
I don't know where you got Brady's stats but...

Player_Win/Loss_Comp%__TDs__RTDs_Ints_QB Rating
Brady___14-3____62.5_____26____2____12___88.0
Roeth___8-2_____61.9_____15____2____12___87.2

Not to say that been doesn't have impressive stats but have them right.

Nice catch, but what else would we expect from "The Patriot"? haha j/k man. No doubt Brady has impressive postseason stats, but I think the point still stands that Ben deserves to be regarded as one of the elite QBs

SteelerTim
02-10-2009, 07:57 PM
I don't know where you got Brady's stats but...

Player_Win/Loss_Comp%__TDs__RTDs_Ints_QB Rating
Brady___14-3____62.5_____26____2____12___88.0
Roeth___8-2_____61.9_____15____2____12___87.2

Not to say that been doesn't have impressive stats but have them right.

Brady is clutch which is why I have always rated him above Manning. He does more with a lot less talent (until last year) than Peyton. I do think Ben is now nipping on his heels as far as being a clutch QB. They are lengthening the gap with every mediocre playoff performance turned in by Peyton.

The Patriot
02-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Brady is clutch which is why I have always rated him above Manning. He does more with a lot less talent (until last year) than Peyton. I do think Ben is now nipping on his heels as far as being a clutch QB. They are lengthening the gap with every mediocre playoff performance turned in by Peyton.

I'm sure a Colts fan might have something to say about that but, yeah, Ben is definitively among the elite.

Bobw
02-10-2009, 08:44 PM
Oops. Missed adding in Brady's 2007 playoff run. Thanks for fixing error.

SteelersMongol
02-10-2009, 08:56 PM
I don't know where you got Brady's stats but...

Player_Win/Loss_Comp%__TDs__RTDs_Ints_QB Rating
Brady___14-3____62.5_____26____2____12___88.0

Not to say that been doesn't have impressive stats but have them right.

Yeah, Brady's stats pretty impressive, NOT! Dude, he cheated. :coffee:

Hammer Of The GODS
02-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Nice post but there is one glaring flaw.


TOM BRADY IS A CHEAT!

He is NOT in Payton and Bens class!

hindes204
02-10-2009, 09:37 PM
I hope Ben goes on to win 2 or 3 more just to shut up the critics....and its not all that impossible, hes still a very young guy, and were competitive every year

The Patriot
02-10-2009, 09:48 PM
I hope Ben goes on to win 2 or 3 more just to shut up the critics....and its not all that impossible, hes still a very young guy, and were competitive every year

:laughing: Yeah, I would hope two or three would do it.

hindes204
02-10-2009, 10:03 PM
yeah, i guess im a bit of a homer, it did sound a little funny when i read it again....Big Ben with 5 rings....probable, no....possible, definitely!!!!!

Benzbrother
02-10-2009, 10:07 PM
Seriously tho, how absolutely Legendary would Ben be with 5 rings? :tt:

The Patriot
02-10-2009, 10:10 PM
Seriously tho, how absolutely Legendary would Ben be with 5 rings? :tt:

He would be arguably the greatest QB ever.

NEPAsteeler
02-10-2009, 10:15 PM
I don't care what his stats look like. He already has 2 rings. As long as he keeps winning championships I'll be happy. :laughing:

xFreeWord420x
02-11-2009, 04:00 AM
I don't care what his stats look like. He already has 2 rings. As long as he keeps winning championships I'll be happy. :laughing:

I must agree.. Not to mention no one ever shows a completion rating after contact.. Which totally sets Ben on a pedastol above the rest.

Vincent
02-11-2009, 09:00 AM
Peyton's a great QB but tends to choke in the big games.

Marsha is a cheating wanker, nothing more. Put him behind our line and he'd be a quadriplegic. Brady won 3 SBs by 3 points each, and by cheating. Not impressed.

Ben is the best QB in the league. Period. His body of work speaks for itself. No need to repeat it all. He wins games behind a bull@#$% OL. Put Ben behind the cheater's OL and he'd have a perfect game every outing.

Everybody on Arizona's bench knew they left too much time on the board and that #7 was going to win that game.

RoethlisBURGHer
02-11-2009, 09:51 AM
Peyton Manning, IMHO isn't in this conversaton. He's a playoff choke artist. And his Super Bowl MVP was a farce, it should have gone to a Colts RB.

xFreeWord420x
02-11-2009, 12:33 PM
Peyton Manning, IMHO isn't in this conversaton. He's a playoff choke artist. And his Super Bowl MVP was a farce, it should have gone to a Colts RB.

I think Manning is one of the smartest QBs in the league. If he ever retires, he has a bright future as a coach somewhere.

Dino 6 Rings
02-11-2009, 12:52 PM
He would be arguably the greatest QB ever.

He needs 3 more to get that title. because we all already know that Terry Bradshaw is the greatest Athlete in the history of the Universe. Which I have determined using deductive reasoning already in this forum.

I love Terry Bradshaw.

I like Ben alot though.

Dino 6 Rings
02-11-2009, 12:54 PM
I don't know where you got Brady's stats but...

Player_Win/Loss_Comp%__TDs__RTDs_Ints_QB Rating
Brady___14-3____62.5_____26____2____12___88.0
Roeth___8-2_____61.9_____15____2____12___87.2

Not to say that been doesn't have impressive stats but have them right.

By the way, good catch, I was ready to look up the stats cause I knew that Brady had more career TD passes in the Playoffs than Ben.

Still, for being in his 5th year of playing at the NFL Level, 2 rings and an 8-2 playoff record isn't bad. Not bad at all.

Pi Kapp Steeler
02-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I'm sure a Colts fan might have something to say about that but, yeah, Ben is definitively among the elite.


Sorry had to quote it. It just sounds good coming from your perspective. I live with a Bostonian in my Apt. I am a Yankee/ Steelers fan he is Patriots / BoSox we hate on each others teams a lot.

AllD
02-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Brady is one hit away from turning into Brett Farve.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:22 PM
And this is supposed to mean?

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Brady is clutch which is why I have always rated him above Manning. He does more with a lot less talent (until last year) than Peyton. I do think Ben is now nipping on his heels as far as being a clutch QB. They are lengthening the gap with every mediocre playoff performance turned in by Peyton.

This doesent count eh?
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n42/Indyexpat/epic_fail-Patriots.jpg

and if you havent noticed the entire team does the choking not just Manning:noidea:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:30 PM
Peyton Manning, IMHO isn't in this conversaton. He's a playoff choke artist. And his Super Bowl MVP was a farce, it should have gone to a Colts RB.

Haha a Colts running back haha,

and give Peyton the Steelers D and he goes undefeated every season

steelreserve
02-11-2009, 04:37 PM
and give Peyton the Steelers D and he goes undefeated every season

Yeah, and give the Steelers Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders on offense and they'd go undefeated every season too. What's your point? There's a reason no team is allowed to be perfect on both sides of the ball anymore; it's called the salary cap.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Yeah, and give the Steelers Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders on offense and they'd go undefeated every season too. What's your point? There's a reason no team is allowed to be perfect on both sides of the ball anymore; it's called the salary cap.

wasent my point,, point is Peyton could go undefeated with a D like that, and Ben hasent

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 04:40 PM
Put Peyton in a January playoff game outdoors in bad weather and he can't do anything. :coffee:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:42 PM
Put Peyton in a January playoff game outdoors in bad weather and he can't do anything. :coffee:

Raining in Miami SBXLI Peyton still wins a ring

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 04:45 PM
Raining in Miami SBXLI Peyton still wins a ring

Sure, thanks largely to Rex Grossman being Rex Grossman. And your offense scored a whopping 14 points and 3 points in consecutive January playoff losses in Foxborough.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:47 PM
And your offense scored a whopping 14 points and 3 points in consecutive January playoff losses in Foxborough.

You gotta dig that far back?

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 04:49 PM
You gotta dig that far back?

Yeah, like it was decades ago. And you just managed 17 against a D we shredded for 30+ in San Diego. :coffee:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:51 PM
Yeah, like it was decades ago. :coffee:

Take off the homer glasses freind:coffee:

put down the terrible towels:tt:

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Take off the homer glasses freind:coffee:

put down the terrible towels:tt:

YOU are the one who needs to quit drinking the Blue and White Kool-Aid, buddy.

Peyton: 7-8 in the postseason

Ben: 8-2 in the postseason.

'Nuff said. :coffee:

Dino 6 Rings
02-11-2009, 04:57 PM
I wonder how that Blue and White kool-aid is going to taste this year with a new head coach. I'm curious to see how that evolves.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:57 PM
YOU are the one who needs to quit drinking the Blue and White Kool-Aid, buddy.

Peyton: 7-8 in the postseason

Ben: 8-2 in the postseason.

'Nuff said. :coffee:

Yes a QBs talent is rated soley on the 3-4 games he plays at the end of the year, c'mon now

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 04:58 PM
I wonder how that Blue and White kool-aid is going to taste this year with a new head coach. I'm curious to see how that evolves.

Im personally ecstatic!

Dino 6 Rings
02-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Yes a QBs talent is rated soley on the 3-4 games he plays at the end of the year, c'mon now

Actually, I think that is a pretty accurate statement.

Is McNabb a top 3 QB? Nope, cause he chokes out in those 3-4 games he plays at the end of the year.

Is Tom Brady a great QB? Yes, because he won quite a few of those 3-4 games at the end of the year.

how does Payton perform when it really matters the most? Below Expectations.

Dino 6 Rings
02-11-2009, 05:02 PM
Im personally ecstatic!

Its going to be weird not seeing Tony.

I tend to think they maybe should have looked outside the organization first. We did that and it paid huge dividends. But we'll see.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 05:05 PM
Its going to be weird not seeing Tony.

I tend to think they maybe should have looked outside the organization first. We did that and it paid huge dividends. But we'll see.

I thought so at first, but when he fired Russ Purnell (Former ST coach) and Ron Meeks (Former DC) i knew he would be great:applaudit:

The Patriot
02-11-2009, 06:04 PM
Luck can be a big factor in this game and Peyton Manning is just not a lucky guy. He plays adequately in the playoffs so you can't say he chokes, but things just tend to go wrong. Strangely, one of Peyton's poorest overall performance in the playoffs was the year the Colts won the Superbowl. I think sporadic statistics are best explained by the fact that this is a team sport, so any one player's performance, no matter how many times he touches the ball, mirrors the overall performance of his teammates.

ajs8207
02-11-2009, 06:19 PM
wasent my point,, point is Peyton could go undefeated with a D like that, and Ben hasent

If Peyton had a defense like ours, he wouldn't have receivers like Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark, along with a consistently good offensive line. Give Ben all those weapons, and he could put up Manning numbers. The point is, the Steelers did it the right way, which is the idea that defense wins championships. What gets them over the top though, is that with 2 minutes left in the game, Ben can win the game. This is why we have won 2 super bowls in 4 years, and it is why we failed to do it in the 90s and earlier this decade. Also, didn't the Steelers offense torch the Chargers, while Manning really only had 1 good drive, and 1 lucky play? (Kudos to Manning for catching them off guard, he's a really smart guy. However, we consistently drove up and down the field on them.) I'd put Brady over Roethlisberger, but I'll take Ben over Peyton anyday of the week.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 06:29 PM
If Peyton had a defense like ours, he wouldn't have receivers like Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark, along with a consistently good offensive line. Give Ben all those weapons, and he could put up Manning numbers. The point is, the Steelers did it the right way, which is the idea that defense wins championships. What gets them over the top though, is that with 2 minutes left in the game, Ben can win the game. This is why we have won 2 super bowls in 4 years, and it is why we failed to do it in the 90s and earlier this decade. Also, didn't the Steelers offense torch the Chargers, while Manning really only had 1 good drive, and 1 lucky play? (Kudos to Manning for catching them off guard, he's a really smart guy. However, we consistently drove up and down the field on them.) I'd put Brady over Roethlisberger, but I'll take Ben over Peyton anyday of the week.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/katie_fargher/superbowlref.jpg

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 06:44 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/katie_fargher/superbowlref.jpg

Ironic coming from the fan of a team which was the beneficiary of the WORST call in the playoffs in at LEAST the last decade (Troy's overturned INT). :coffee:

Pi Kapp Steeler
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/katie_fargher/superbowlref.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/2608310878_450094113f.jpg?v=0

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Ironic coming from the fan of a team which was the beneficiary of the WORST call in the playoffs in at LEAST the last decade (Troy's overturned INT). :coffee:

Haha that was the funnyest moment of my life:sofunny:

the look on his face:sofunny:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 06:54 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/2608310878_450094113f.jpg?v=0

We would have won if not for this SOB
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/Rocketfuel81/MikeVanderjagt.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/jdottdot/Mikevanderjagt.jpg

Pi Kapp Steeler
02-11-2009, 06:57 PM
Haha that was the funnyest moment of my life:sofunny:

the look on his face:sofunny:

Whose troys? Because I do recall the whole team and troy just shruggin it off and running back on the field to get their job done.

All tho I do remember the "HE MISSED IT" face :chuckle: now thaaaat was funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoT7FpEAcs

Pi Kapp Steeler
02-11-2009, 06:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoT7FpEAcs

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 06:59 PM
We would have won if not for this SOB
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/Rocketfuel81/MikeVanderjagt.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/jdottdot/Mikevanderjagt.jpg

R1piy8Zxddw

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 07:01 PM
R1piy8Zxddw

And?

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 07:03 PM
And?

I thought you lost because of "protection issues." Didn't realize I had to draw a picture.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 07:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoT7FpEAcs

again if not for this mofo
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/jdottdot/Mikevanderjagt.jpg

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 07:06 PM
I thought you lost because of "protection issues." Didn't realize I had to draw a picture.

That was part of it but maily Mike the idiot kicker

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 08:44 PM
He was a great kicker O.o. Just not for that game :flap:

Hes an SOB
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/1425/Indianapolis-Colts-Fans/Football/Mike-Vanderjagt/Vanderjagoff

The Patriot
02-11-2009, 08:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoT7FpEAcs

That was such a great game. That Bettis fumble! My God! If Ben hadn't made that tackle... :sofunny:

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 08:52 PM
That was part of it but maily Mike the idiot kicker

That's liquored-up idiot kicker. :chuckle:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 08:56 PM
That's liquored-up idiot kicker. :chuckle:

The wise words of Vanderjerk "We need to win this game Peyton"

tony hipchest
02-11-2009, 08:58 PM
vanderjerk crashing dallas' party the following season was great too.

indy may have tied but lost in OT. steelers werent bound to lose.

The Patriot
02-11-2009, 09:05 PM
The wise words of Vanderjerk "We need to win this game Peyton"

Wait, was that for a playoff game? :laughing:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Wait, was that for a playoff game? :laughing:

Yeah the Jets game

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/1425/Indianapolis-Colts-Fans/Football/Mike-Vanderjagt/Vanderjagoff

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 09:12 PM
Yeah the Jets game

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/1425/Indianapolis-Colts-Fans/Football/Mike-Vanderjagt/Vanderjagoff

I LOVED this part of Peyton's response - forgot about the "bat boy" comment.

You know, Mike's a guy that I've supported a lot. I mean, he's had some field goals that he's missed like the game winner against Miami and I was there to kinda put my arm around him you know and I try to be there for him. It's kinda like being, kinda like the bat boy talking about you.

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-11-2009, 09:13 PM
I LOVED this part of Peyton's response - forgot about the "bat boy" comment.



:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

What was so funny about that part?

fansince'76
02-11-2009, 09:15 PM
What was so funny about that part?

Calling another professional player a "bat boy." That is a HUGE burn on Peyton's part. :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

The Patriot
02-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Yeah the Jets game

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/1425/Indianapolis-Colts-Fans/Football/Mike-Vanderjagt/Vanderjagoff

I don't know where things went south for him with the Cowboys. He just seemed to fit in so well with the team fabric. :sofunny:

Polamalu Princess
02-11-2009, 09:48 PM
All I can say is that I love Ben!

The posts are so funny! Thank you for a grand laugh!!:toofunny:

CPanther95
02-11-2009, 10:33 PM
http://18andchoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/chokeng1.jpg

LVSteelersfan
02-12-2009, 12:28 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! An Indy fan actually saying the Steelers win because of the refs. That is hilarious after they almost singlehandedly gave your team the win a couple years ago. Get lost bozo. I do not suffer fools gladly. And you are obviously a FOOL.

Pi Kapp Steeler
02-12-2009, 01:04 AM
That was such a great game. That Bettis fumble! My God! If Ben hadn't made that tackle... :sofunny:

One of the best playoff games I have ever witnessed

:tt03:

revefsreleets
02-12-2009, 10:37 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! An Indy fan actually saying the Steelers win because of the refs. That is hilarious after they almost singlehandedly gave your team the win a couple years ago. Get lost bozo. I do not suffer fools gladly. And you are obviously a FOOL.

The Troy Interception that was not is singlehandedly one of the worst examples EVER of refs pretty much scratching their heads and saying "Wow, this is a real blowout. How in the HELL do we keep the Colts in this game?"

There have been bad calls, but that is easily one of the worst calls in the history of the NFL. It wasn't even CLOSE.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-12-2009, 11:36 AM
http://18andchoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/chokeng1.jpg

Haha

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-12-2009, 11:37 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! An Indy fan actually saying the Steelers win because of the refs. That is hilarious after they almost singlehandedly gave your team the win a couple years ago. Get lost bozo. I do not suffer fools gladly. And you are obviously a FOOL.

If you would remember that we lost that PO game so what?

SteelCityMom
02-12-2009, 12:16 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! An Indy fan actually saying the Steelers win because of the refs. That is hilarious after they almost singlehandedly gave your team the win a couple years ago. Get lost bozo. I do not suffer fools gladly. And you are obviously a FOOL.

He couldn't handle the rational talk of why we would take Ben over Peyton any day of the week, and how Ben consistently does better when the playoffs roll around than Peyton does, so he had to resort to the ever reliable tactic of saying the refs are the only reason the Steelers do well in big games. It has consistently become the fallback argument for any non-Steelers fan.

SteelCityMom
02-12-2009, 12:32 PM
R1piy8Zxddw

Haha....this one of him is better, how fun it must be to play for him when the chips are down.

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Dino 6 Rings
02-12-2009, 12:33 PM
Colts and Manning in the Playoffs:
99 Lost first game to Titans at Home
2000 Lost first game to Dolpins on the Road
2002 Lost first game to Jets on the Road
2003 Beat the Broncos Home, then the Cheifs Road, lost to the Patriots Road
2004 Beat the Broncos Home, lost to the Patriots Road
2005 Lost first game to the Steelers Home
2006, Beat the Chiefs Home, Ravens Road, Pats Home, and Bears to win it all
2007, Lost first game to the Chargers Home
2008, Lost first game to the Chargers Road

Steelers since Ben
2004, Beat the Jets, lost to Patriots in AFC Title Game Home
2005, Beat the Bengals Road, Colts Road, Broncos Road and Seahawks on way to the Title.
2007, lost first game to the Jaquars Home
2008, Beat the Chargers Home, Ravens Home and the Cardinals on way to championship.

lilyoder6
02-12-2009, 01:47 PM
peyton and his team has always been great during the reg season.. avg at least 11-12 games a yr... but they could never transfer that into the playoffs..

Farrior_roirraW
02-12-2009, 06:32 PM
Ben or Peyton?

8>7 (wins)

+

2<8 (loses)

=

8-2>7-8

:hatsoff:

HometownGal
02-12-2009, 06:49 PM
What was so funny about that part?

http://home.comcast.net/~buff.flyer2/mccarthy/mort.jpg

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-12-2009, 06:57 PM
http://home.comcast.net/~buff.flyer2/mccarthy/mort.jpg

How mature...

SteelCurtain7
02-12-2009, 07:30 PM
...and fitting for all trolls. :rofl:

lilyoder6
02-12-2009, 08:11 PM
How mature...

u not laughing??? thats a shame.. i thought it was funny

HometownGal
02-12-2009, 08:27 PM
How mature...

Awwww now you done it - you went and hurt my wittle feelings. :crying01: :crying01:

NOT.

Act like a troll and you'll be treated as such.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-12-2009, 10:46 PM
Awwww now you done it - you went and hurt my wittle feelings. :crying01: :crying01:

NOT.

Act like a troll and you'll be treated as such.

Oh so im a troll for sticking up for my QB....nice...

so should i bow down to the almighty Steelers maybe get a terrible towel?, don't hold your breath

SaskSteeler
02-12-2009, 11:57 PM
Whats funny is that peytons little brother is the best playoff qb in that family

TackleMeBen
02-13-2009, 12:29 AM
Whats funny is that peytons little brother is the best playoff qb in that family
but peyton does the best commericals..lol:rofl:

MaidenIndiana
02-13-2009, 03:23 AM
Oh so im a troll for sticking up for my QB....nice...

so should i bow down to the almighty Steelers maybe get a terrible towel?, don't hold your breath

Yes you should. I'm somebody from Indiana that wishes the Colts could go back to Baltimore. By the way I was at the playoff game in 05 so don't blame your kicker. If it wasn't for the refs, the Colts would've been blown out of that game. And yes Dominic Rhodes deserved the SB MVP the year that punkin Peyton won it.

SteelCurtain7
02-13-2009, 06:08 AM
Oh so im a troll for sticking up for my QB....nice...

so should i bow down to the almighty Steelers?

Yes. You should. You will. :tt: :laughing::rofl:

lilyoder6
02-13-2009, 08:56 AM
peyton is def the better one in the family in front of the camera...

how many yrs quicker did it take eli to win a sb than peyton???

HometownGal
02-13-2009, 09:24 AM
Oh so im a troll for sticking up for my QB....nice...

so should i bow down to the almighty Steelers maybe get a terrible towel?, don't hold your breath

No - you're acting like a :troll: by posting pics like this: :doh:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/katie_fargher/superbowlref.jpg

In case you've forgotten, you're on a Pittsburgh STEELERS BB.

SteelCityMom
02-13-2009, 09:27 AM
No - you're acting like a :troll: by posting pics like this: :doh:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/katie_fargher/superbowlref.jpg

In case you've forgotten, you're on a Pittsburgh STEELERS BB.

Whats up with the orange and black in that pic too...looks like a Bengals ref lol.

Steelcitygal87
02-13-2009, 09:32 AM
Whats up with the orange and black in that pic too...looks like a Bengals ref lol.

lol, yeah if it wasn't for the cap, that is what I would have thought too.

Jackal
02-13-2009, 09:36 AM
I, for one, love Ben and wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the world, but I certainly can understand an Indy fan sticking up for Manning. Manning is a better QB from the traditional, mechanical standpoint---he's got a big arm and is accurate as hell. Ben, though, shows he knows how to lead and to make the best of any game situation probably better than any QB out there. He fits our system beautifully and will prove to be an incredibly prolific quarterback over time, he's already got one hell of a start.

CPanther95
02-13-2009, 10:28 AM
I thought it must have just been my monitor. The ref looks like a Bears or Broncos fan (after being photoshopped by a 6 year old).

aries4972
02-13-2009, 10:42 AM
We would have won if not for this SOB
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/Rocketfuel81/MikeVanderjagt.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/jdottdot/Mikevanderjagt.jpg

No.... u would have TIED the game


:banging:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 02:56 PM
No.... u would have TIED the game


:banging:

And then won in OT:thumbsup:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 02:57 PM
Posting that pick was easier than saying the Seahawks and Cards got ripped off:noidea:

Oh and i did not make the pic

Jackal
02-13-2009, 03:02 PM
Well, seeing as how neither the Seahags or the Tards got ripped off, I think spreading false bulls**t propaganda that no one asked you for would qualify you as a :troll:.

CargoJon
02-13-2009, 03:34 PM
No.... u would have TIED the game


:banging:

And that was only after a FREAK fumble by one of the most sure-handed runners in the NFL at the time.

I like Peyton Manning but he chokes like Mama Cass in the playoffs.

T.Richardson
02-13-2009, 05:34 PM
And then won in OT:thumbsup:

Well, it should have never happened. The refs almost stole the game from Pittsburgh,

SteelCityMom
02-13-2009, 06:08 PM
Posting that pick was easier than saying the Seahawks and Cards got ripped off:noidea:

Oh and i did not make the pic


Oh please...what a load of crap. I'll agree that the Seahawks got a couple ticky tacky calls against them in the SB, but they only had 7 penalties total, not exactly "stealing" the game from them. Had they performed a little better, they may have been able to win the game.

The Cards game was officiated very fairly. The only call I would say probably should have not been called was the roughing the passer call, but I've seen roughing the passer called for less (see Steelers v. Ravens AFCCG this year where Troy had a RTP call against him because he hit Flacco in the face with his hand, didn't even knock him down lol).

I have zero sympathy for people who whine about refs, especially after the SD/Pitt game in week 11 when the Steelers won despite being called for 13 penalties vs. SD's 2 penalties.

SteelCurtain7
02-13-2009, 07:22 PM
And that was only after a FREAK fumble by one of the most sure-handed runners in the NFL at the time.

I like Peyton Manning but he chokes like Mama Cass in the playoffs.

Don't insult Mama Cass like that. She was much less of a drama queen than Pay-me-a-ton.

Texasteel
02-13-2009, 07:33 PM
Posting that pick was easier than saying the Seahawks and Cards got ripped off:noidea:

Oh and i did not make the pic

Its good to know that I was right when I you identified you as the troll days ago.

Go talk to the seahawks or the cards, you can all cry together.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 07:34 PM
Its good to know that I was right when I you identified you as the troll days ago.

Go talk to the seahawks or the cards, you can all cry together.

*Gasp* you just disagreed with me!, your a troll!

i mean c'mon

Texasteel
02-13-2009, 07:38 PM
You come here and proclaim that our last 2 SBs were given to us by the refs.

It's not hard to see through a person like you.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 07:53 PM
You come here and proclaim that our last 2 SBs were given to us by the refs.

It's not hard to see through a person like you.

Simply stating my opinion:noidea:

Texasteel
02-13-2009, 08:03 PM
Simply stating my opinion:noidea:


Well state it someplace else and take that candy ass Payton with you.

I'm tired of you clowns coming in here thinking you can say what ever the hell you what. If I say that about the Colts on a Indy board, I would be a troll, and thats what you are here. Get lost.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 08:07 PM
Well state it someplace else and take that candy ass Payton with you.

I'm tired of you clowns coming in here thinking you can say what ever the hell you what. If I say that about the Colts on a Indy board, I would be a troll, and thats what you are here. Get lost.

No not really, we have several Pats, and Steelers, fans on the Indy board and they are always sticking up for their players and saying they are better than our players:noidea:

Texasteel
02-13-2009, 08:12 PM
No not really, we have several Pats, and Steelers, fans on the Indy board and they are always sticking up for their players and saying they are better than our players:noidea:

Read your own post. You said in no uncertain terms that we had both our SB victory's given to us by the refs. If the other a Pats or Steeler fan said that on your board they would and should be ripped to shreds over it. I repeat GET LOST!!

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 08:14 PM
Read your own post. You said in no uncertain terms that we had both our SB victory's given to us by the refs. If the other a Pats or Steeler fan said that on your board they would and should be ripped to shreds over it. I repeat GET LOST!!

Public forum:noidea:

Texasteel
02-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Public forum:noidea:

Standard trolls answer. I have nothing further to say to you Troll. :troll:

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 08:36 PM
Standard trolls answer. I have nothing further to say to you Troll. :troll:

Awsome!

SteelCityMom
02-13-2009, 08:52 PM
Simply stating my opinion:noidea:

Based on what? Explain your stance.

CPanther95
02-13-2009, 09:12 PM
Based on what?

Ignorance.

HometownGal
02-13-2009, 09:16 PM
Based on what?

Simple. Envy.

Steelillini
02-13-2009, 11:26 PM
c'mon Indy, tell us exactly how Seattle and AZ got screwed by the refs. Please. We've been hearing this crap forever. Heck, we've got so many letters of apology from the NFL on bad calls.

Seattle couldn't stop FWP on a 75 yd run, their punter couldn't put a punt inside the 20 six times during that game. They bit on a flea flicker, the exact same one we ran a few weeks prior vs. Cleveland and they completely botched their last possesion of the 1st half.

The AZ Cards erased a 13 pt lead in the 4th quarter but couldn't stop us one last time. the Steelers had more penalties in the 4th quarter than the Cards.

7SteelGal43
02-13-2009, 11:43 PM
Posting that pick was easier than saying the Seahawks and Cards got ripped off:noidea:

Oh and i did not make the pic

Funny, I remember reading your very first post, you were "just wanting to talk some football". So why you bein such a douche ?

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 11:55 PM
Ignorance.

Simple. Envy.

Haha interesting answers but no

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 11:56 PM
c'mon Indy, tell us exactly how Seattle and AZ got screwed by the refs. Please. We've been hearing this crap forever. Heck, we've got so many letters of apology from the NFL on bad calls.

Seattle couldn't stop FWP on a 75 yd run, their punter couldn't put a punt inside the 20 six times during that game. They bit on a flea flicker, the exact same one we ran a few weeks prior vs. Cleveland and they completely botched their last possesion of the 1st half.

The AZ Cards erased a 13 pt lead in the 4th quarter but couldn't stop us one last time. the Steelers had more penalties in the 4th quarter than the Cards.

C'mon man you cannot deny that the seahawks SB was a joke, the AZ game was ok i suppose

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Based on what? Explain your stance.

Based on SBXL, there is really no denying Ben did not get into the end zone on that play, and there was plenty more stupid calls

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Based on SBXL, there is really no denying Ben did not get into the end zone on that play, and there was plenty more stupid calls

No, see that's where you're wrong. The TD that Ben ran in was simply not overturned. The call on the field was a TD and the refs didn't see enough proof under the hood that it should be overturned. Simple as that. BTW here's a little pic for you to chew on.

http://www.steelertribute.com/XL_ben_is_in.jpg


See that brown thing in his hand that's crossing the plane, yeah that's the football.

You're also not pointing out your reasons very well. Throwing your hands up and saying "because" is not a good enough reason.

As I stated before, yes there were a few ticky tacky calls in SBXL, but come on, really, there were only 7 penalties against the Seahawks, how can there be plenty of stupid calls? Are you trying to say they played a near perfect game? Really?

Fact of the matter is, they did not play well enough to win the game. They had poor clock management at the end of the half and at the end of the game, and they could not catch passes when it mattered most. They also could not stop Parker from running 75 yards for a TD or a trick play that the Steelers had been using all season long.

Next?

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 12:37 AM
No, see that's where you're wrong. The TD that Ben ran in was simply not overturned. The call on the field was a TD and the refs didn't see enough proof under the hood that it should be overturned. Simple as that. BTW here's a little pic for you to chew on.

http://www.steelertribute.com/XL_ben_is_in.jpg


See that brown thing in his hand that's crossing the plane, yeah that's the football.

You're also not pointing out your reasons very well. Throwing your hands up and saying "because" is not a good enough reason.

As I stated before, yes there were a few ticky tacky calls in SBXL, but come on, really, there were only 7 penalties against the Seahawks, how can there be plenty of stupid calls? Are you trying to say they played a near perfect game? Really?

Fact of the matter is, they did not play well enough to win the game. They had poor clock management at the end of the half and at the end of the game, and they could not catch passes when it mattered most. They also could not stop Parker from running 75 yards for a TD or a trick play that the Steelers had been using all season long.

Next?

You know that thing called a knee it was on the ground well before that, could i have a video?

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 12:47 AM
You know that thing called a knee it was on the ground well before that, could i have a video?

Lol what? You don't see him flying through the air, or do you really think that player below Ben is Ben? I'm not seriously going to search youtube for one shot of Ben making the TD, you can sift through all the videos on your own to prove your point if you like though. Here's a couple more pics though of his knee NOT touching the ground before that.

http://www.hotcornersports.com/SBXLBR1.JPG

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/05/20060205201509990012



Where you get that his knee is touching, I'm not sure.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 01:08 AM
That pic is so blurry i can't hardly see anything:noidea:

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 01:25 AM
That pic is so blurry i can't hardly see anything:noidea:

Haha ok...so first it was his knee was down beforehand, now it's the pic is too blurry. You still haven't given any real reasons or proof for your argument.

Find me a better pic that proves your own argument.

BTW the first picture I posted and the last picture I posted are the same, just different angles.

devilsdancefloor
02-14-2009, 01:31 AM
ya know i deal with you bandwagon dolts fans every damn day!I bet you where not even a colts fan until after peyton 3 or 4th yr in the league before that id guess bungels. id like to congrad the dolts on the 12+ games a year record to bad Peyton and Co. choke in the playoffs! But anyway when you really want to talk football and not BS come back!

http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09076/suckelsewhere400.jpg

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 01:38 AM
ya know i deal with you bandwagon dolts fans every damn day!I bet you where not even a colts fan until after peyton 3 or 4th yr in the league before that id guess bungels. id like to congrad the dolts on the 12+ games a year record to bad Peyton and Co. choke in the playoffs! But anyway when you really want to talk football and not BS come back!

http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09076/suckelsewhere400.jpg

believe what you will

devilsdancefloor
02-14-2009, 01:55 AM
believe what you will

oh my bad you are a true blue fan you helped unload the mayflower trucks in '84 :yap:

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=28246

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 01:57 AM
Heres one, and when your elbow is down you are down
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp115/IndyColtsSBXLI/touchdown.jpg

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060205

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2320683

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9168548/Here's-the-real-MVP-of-Super-Bowl-XLIII

Post more in a bit still looking

StainlessStill
02-14-2009, 01:58 AM
believe what you will

I'm jumping in this thread. I love talking nice smack, esp with a Dolts Fan. What's this guy have to offer other than one big pile of shit?

I see he says the Colts win the game in OT if the kick isn't missed in '05.

Lets get things straight, Dolt fan. Your boys had nothing to offer in that game and was beaten from the very first snap of the first quarter. It was so lopsided of a beatdown it got to the point where it was laughable. Problem was, after Polamalu's INTERCEPTION the refs bluntly gave Peyton the ball back & Bettis FUMBLED on the goal-line. After ALL OF THIS, the Colts STILL couldn't pull it out. 21-18 should of been more like 28-10 or something along those lines. Wasn't a close game and anybody who watched knows this.

Comparing Ben to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady is ludicrous. Brady and Manning are apart of offensive MACHINES that FUEL off the pass. Their offense's are MADE for their type of numbers.. hell, KENT GRAHAM could post big numbers in any of those systems.

Manning and Brady rarely get hit, and when they do all hell breaks loose. They truly are the prima donnas of the league, and need to be protected at all costs. Ben gets his guts splattered every other play and spits blood in between huddles and goes on to scramble around like Houdini and pull out the W's on his body alone. Can you say the same thing when things break down for Manning or Brady?No.

Ben also doesn't have the receiving core these girls have & I wouldn't trade it for the world. I'd rather have a team that beats you to a pulp and wins games on last ditch efforts than to have queers on my team that either dates supermodels or does commercials on the side. Anyone ever see Peyton Manning drool all over himself during a press-conference? Nice impersonation of Sloth, dickhead.

I hate when fans, esp. Dolt fans come in and try to talk smack. It just isn't right.

StainlessStill
02-14-2009, 02:02 AM
Heres one, and when your elbow is down you are down
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp115/IndyColtsSBXLI/touchdown.jpg

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060205

Post more in a bit still looking

Hey idiot, you're STILL arguing about something that has happened three years ago? That picture is useless. As you can see, it was after the fact that the ball BROKE THE PLAIN. In this pic, his body is already being pushed back from momentum after the hit.

Why can't people except that XL was won fair and square? The Seahags blew it themselves for not properly managing a football game and let their greediness beat them. Watch the game again and tell me how WELL they managed the football game before the half and during the coarse of the game. Go on.

Cracks me up all these haters have to blame officiating. How EASY is that? Jesus Christ people. Except the fact that the Steelers just DOMINATE in all phases, esp crunch time. Calls go both ways in every football games that has ever been played.. from pee wee up to the pros. If you come in here, come in with new material. Not this ref garbage.

Indy Dolt fan=Fail.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:06 AM
Haha what trash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pA5gXCvE80

around 2.40 it was at his stomach when he was down then he quickly popped it back up to fool the refs

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:11 AM
Hey idiot, you're STILL arguing about something that has happened three years ago? That picture is useless. As you can see, it was after the fact that the ball BROKE THE PLAIN. In this pic, his body is already being pushed back from momentum after the hit.

Why can't people except that XL was won fair and square? The Seahags blew it themselves for not properly managing a football game and let their greediness beat them. Watch the game again and tell me how WELL they managed the football game before the half and during the coarse of the game. Go on.

Cracks me up all these haters have to blame officiating. How EASY is that? Jesus Christ people. Except the fact that the Steelers just DOMINATE in all phases, esp crunch time. Calls go both ways in every football games that has ever been played.. from pee wee up to the pros. If you come in here, come in with new material. Not this ref garbage.

Indy Dolt fan=Fail.

Accept, you fail:sofunny:

devilsdancefloor
02-14-2009, 02:12 AM
Heres one, and when your elbow is down you are down
[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060205

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2320683

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9168548/Here's-the-real-MVP-of-Super-Bowl-XLIII

Post more in a bit still looking

you go find a skip bayless article lmao!! pathitic man! when was that pic snap after he broke the plane and pushed back or before he crossed?

http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09076/stfu2192.gif

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:15 AM
you go find a skip bayless article lmao!! pathitic man! when was that pic snap after he broke the plane and pushed back or before he crossed?

http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09076/stfu2192.gif

Look at the video the ball is obviously in his belly when he is downed, then he pulls it back up to fool the refs

devilsdancefloor
02-14-2009, 02:23 AM
btw at 310 in your video it is breaking the plane before he moves it up nice try though! you should watch a bit more of your vid before posting

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:25 AM
btw at 310 in your video it is breaking the plane before he moves it up nice try though! you should watch a bit more of your vid before posting

Hey thanks 3.10 is even more convincing it was not a TD, when the elbow is down the player is down

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 02:36 AM
Hey thanks 3.10 is even more convincing it was not a TD, when the elbow is down the player is down

Ok, so his elbow is down after the ball broke the plane. Your point?

Oh and since when were Skip Bayless and Jason Witlock reliable unbiased sports writers? Just wondering when that happened.

As I said before, the call on the field was a TD and there was not indisputable evidence to overturn it, so they didn't. Much unlike SB XLIII when the DID overturn the TD because his knee was down before the ball crossed the plane. How that would happen with the refs being paid off and all, I'm not sure. That one must have slipped through the cracks of conspiracy I guess.

Also, in case this one point eluded you, these pictures were taken at the same time from different angles....you can see his elbow was not down in the second picture. His elbow is still above Bettis' six on his jersey, meaning it hadn't touched the ground yet.

http://www.steelertribute.com/XL_ben_is_in.jpg
http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/05/20060205201509990012

Oh and if you want to dispute that these pictures are not from the same frame, look at the Seahawks hand on Ben's leg.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:39 AM
Ok, so his elbow is down after the ball broke the plane. Your point?

Oh and since when were Skip Bayless and Jason Witlock reliable unbiased sports writers? Just wondering when that happened.

As I said before, the call on the field was a TD and there was not indisputable evidence to overturn it, so they didn't. Much unlike SB XLIII when the DID overturn the TD because his knee was down before the ball crossed the plane. How that would happen with the refs being paid off and all, I'm not sure. That one must have slipped through the cracks of conspiracy I guess.

No the ball was in his stomach, behind the pylon, no TD

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:42 AM
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp115/IndyColtsSBXLI/phantomtd.jpg

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:44 AM
Ok, so his elbow is down after the ball broke the plane. Your point?

Oh and since when were Skip Bayless and Jason Witlock reliable unbiased sports writers? Just wondering when that happened.

As I said before, the call on the field was a TD and there was not indisputable evidence to overturn it, so they didn't. Much unlike SB XLIII when the DID overturn the TD because his knee was down before the ball crossed the plane. How that would happen with the refs being paid off and all, I'm not sure. That one must have slipped through the cracks of conspiracy I guess.

Also, in case this one point eluded you, these pictures were taken at the same time from different angles....you can see his elbow was not down in the second picture. His elbow is still above Bettis' six on his jersey, meaning it hadn't touched the ground yet.

http://www.steelertribute.com/XL_ben_is_in.jpg
http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/05/20060205201509990012

Oh and if you want to dispute that these pictures are not from the same frame, look at the Seahawks hand on Ben's leg.

Just look at the video, it is VERY VERY VERY easy to see no TD, im sorry but your alls homer glasses are VERY VERY VERY thick

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 02:50 AM
Oh and since you wanna go posting a Skip Bayless article...you should read it first to see what he has to say about the Roethlisberger TD.

"To me, it looked as if the nose of the ball barely crossed the white line while Roethlisberger was airborne. Either way, it was so close that it was inconclusive and didn't warrant a touchdown reversal. "

Keep in mind, that's all the ball needs to do, is just kiss the white line and it's a TD.

See Skip Bayless proposes that the whole game was handed to the Steelers because of a OPI call (that was correct, pushing off is pushing off) and a "phantom" holding call.

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 02:52 AM
Just look at the video, it is VERY VERY VERY easy to see no TD, im sorry but your alls homer glasses are VERY VERY VERY thick

Sorry that you can't accept that pictures don't lie.

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 02:53 AM
No the ball was in his stomach, behind the pylon, no TD

Get a clue....the ball broke the plane BEFORE he was even down. It broke the plane when he was still airborne. It doesn't matter what happened after he was down lol.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:54 AM
Sorry that you can't accept that pictures don't lie.

Yes pics do lie, he could have been down before a pic was taken of him across the goal line, or he could have been across then pulled back, pictures LIE

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 02:55 AM
Get a clue....the ball broke the plane BEFORE he was even down. It broke the plane when he was still airborne. It doesn't matter what happened after he was down lol.

No it didnt, watch the video

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 03:02 AM
Yes pics do lie, he could have been down before a pic was taken of him across the goal line, or he could have been across then pulled back, pictures LIE

LOL so now he was down before the picture was taken and then what, he suddenly popped back up into the air at a downward angle? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 03:05 AM
No it didnt, watch the video

I did watch the video, same thing happens in the video that happens in the still photos...ball crosses the plane before he is down, he goes down and him and the ball get pushed back, ref calls TD, ref does not see enough evidence to overturn TD, call on the field remains a TD.

How is this so hard for you to figure out?

You're really just talking in circles now trying to find any little shred of evidence to prove it wasn't a TD, when there is clear evidence that it was. Heck even your exulted Skip Bayless admits it was a TD lol.

IndyColtsSBXLI
02-14-2009, 03:12 AM
Oh well im done with this, im never going to convince you of my point, and your never going to convince me of yours,

Oh well Goodnight:wave:

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 03:14 AM
Oh well im done with this, im never going to convince you of my point, and your never going to convince me of yours,

Oh well Goodnight:wave:

Yeah it's kind of tough to prove your point without any evidence of it....nice try though.

Have a great evening and better luck next time.

Preacher
02-14-2009, 04:32 AM
You know, its funny, I never get tired of popping up this pic and proving people wrong.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll59/meraby/XL_ben_is_in1.jpg

Texasteel
02-14-2009, 05:46 AM
Yeah it's kind of tough to prove your point without any evidence of it....nice try though.

Have a great evening and better luck next time.

Keep in mind, you are talking to a troll. A trolls purpose is not to reason, but to throw out this kind of crap and see how long he can keep it going.

HometownGal
02-14-2009, 08:51 AM
Just look at the video, it is VERY VERY VERY easy to see no TD, im sorry but your alls homer glasses are VERY VERY VERY thick

Alls I sees is that you are a :troll: who can't get over the FACT that the Steelers have won 6 Super Bowl titles fair and square and Ben has 1 more ring than your Peytoon-God.

Now run along, little :troll: and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. :wave:

AllD
02-14-2009, 09:42 AM
Manning "might" have one more SB in him before retirement, but there is no argument that he is the most consistant Fantasy QB. There is also no argument the Fantasy FB is meaningless and BB would rather have the extra ring.

SteelCityMom
02-14-2009, 10:41 AM
Keep in mind, you are talking to a troll. A trolls purpose is not to reason, but to throw out this kind of crap and see how long he can keep it going.

Yeah I know, arguing facts is a bad habit of mine though having been part of the debate team all through high school. Unfortunately it was not one of his habits though lol.

lilyoder6
02-14-2009, 10:58 AM
Manning "might" have one more SB in him before retirement, but there is no argument that he is the most consistant Fantasy QB. There is also no argument the Fantasy FB is meaningless and BB would rather have the extra ring.

HEY NOW.... FF is not meaningless.... u can make some good money in FF...

CPanther95
02-14-2009, 12:27 PM
Fantasy Football is the main reason our NFL football is littered with scrolling tickers and an increasing number of annoying graphics.

They should outlaw it, or dedicate a channel for the all the FF nerds and pseudo-football fans to watch and leave the NFL football for the real fans.

HometownGal
02-14-2009, 12:33 PM
Fantasy Football is the main reason our NFL football is littered with scrolling tickers and an increasing number of annoying graphics.

They should outlaw it, or dedicate a channel for the all the FF nerds and pseudo-football fans to watch and leave the NFL football for the real fans.

FF was supposed to be for fun but some people get really carried away with it. All of my 21 FFL's this past season were FREE leagues and just for fun - I had a great time as I do every season. I don't mind the scrolling tickers - it's better than watching yet another Peytoon or Baby Eli commercial. :chuckle:

7SteelGal43
02-14-2009, 12:59 PM
Fantasy Football is the main reason our NFL football is littered with scrolling tickers and an increasing number of annoying graphics.

They should outlaw it, or dedicate a channel for the all the FF nerds and pseudo-football fans to watch and leave the NFL football for the real fans.

:applaudit:

StainlessStill
02-14-2009, 01:59 PM
That dude had to be a retard. There's no way he can come across as normal with that severe ignorance of the game of football. What a shame.:tt02:

MaidenIndiana
02-14-2009, 02:00 PM
The Colts troll makes me embarassed to be from Indiana. All Steeler haters can just keep on hating cause when it's all said and done we've still got 6 SB's and nothing going to change that. It ain't bragging when you've done it:tt02:

StainlessStill
02-14-2009, 02:02 PM
The Colts troll makes me embarassed to be from Indiana. All Steeler haters can just keep on hating cause when it's all said and done we've still got 6 SB's and nothing going to change that. It ain't bragging when you've done it:tt02:

Did he actually think he was going to come in here with his stupidity and convince us of his theories? Noone can stand up to Steelers fans, period. End of story.

CargoJon
02-14-2009, 06:16 PM
The Colts troll makes me embarassed to be from Indiana. All Steeler haters can just keep on hating cause when it's all said and done we've still got 6 SB's and nothing going to change that. It ain't bragging when you've done it:tt02:

You'd hate too if you had a QB like Manning and only one SB to show for it, along with a lot of chokes. :coffee:

HometownGal
02-14-2009, 06:21 PM
Noone can stand up to Steelers fans, period. End of story.

I wouldn't say that, as I feel that is a little pompous, but the guy had absolutely NOTHING to pitch his case. We have some very knowledgeable fans from other teams here at SF. Sadly for that :troll:, he wasn't one of 'em.