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joefootball
02-12-2009, 10:09 AM
*****No real order within position*****

Had to make a real 53 man roster (sure hope someone can long snap -- we know JH can't)


THOUGHTS -----

QBs
Roethlisberger Ben
Bradshaw Terry
Layne Bobby

RB/FB
Bettis Jerome
Harris Franco
Johnson John Henry
Parker Willie
Bleier Rocky

TE
Miller Heath
Cunningham Bennie
Nickel Elbie

WR
Stallworth John
Swann Lynn
Holmes Santonio
Ward Hines
Jefferson Roy
Lipps Louis

OT
Kolb Jon
Varrichione Frank
Ilkin Tunch
Brown Larry

OG
Mansfield Ray
Faneca Alan
Van Dyke Bruce
Davis Sam

C
Webster Mike
Dawson Dermontti

Punter Brady Pat
Kicker Anderson Gary

DE
Greenwood L.C.
Smith Aaron
White Dwight
Lipscomb Big Daddy

DT Greene Joe
Hampton Casey
Stautner Ernie

OLB
Russell Andy
Woodley LaMarr
Lloyd Greg
Harrison James
Porter Joey
Ham Jack

ILB
Farrior James
Lambert Jack

CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill ( yes he mainly played RB but he did have 10 INTs one year)
Woodson Rod
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

Safety
Polamalu Troy
Shell Donnie
Wagner Mike
Lake Carnell

Godfather
02-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Looks good.

One thing that shows how lucky we've been as Steeler fans is Darren Perry, Jason Gildon, and Kevin Greene don't make the cut.

Morgan
02-12-2009, 10:22 AM
I love the Ernie Stautner pick, but I think I'd rather have Joel Steed.

I know he's new, and I know he was on IR, but I think we have the best punter in team history on the roster right now in Sepulveda.

joefootball
02-12-2009, 10:27 AM
I probably agree about Sepulveda -- Brady punted for like 2 years but I was trying to avoid Walden...
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Steed over Stautner? Blasphemy lol (said in jest) ----- had to think hard on adding Steed and dropping Woodley.....

Steely McSmash
02-12-2009, 12:01 PM
I think Ham and Russell would have to play inside if this is based on 3-4.

steelreserve
02-12-2009, 12:03 PM
(sure hope someone can long snap -- we know JH can't)


I hope it's Parker, because otherwise he has no business even being mentioned on a list like that.

Morgan
02-12-2009, 12:06 PM
I probably agree about Sepulveda -- Brady punted for like 2 years but I was trying to avoid Walden...
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Steed over Stautner? Blasphemy lol (said in jest) ----- had to think hard on adding Steed and dropping Woodley.....

Well, when trying to draw a 53 man roster from the INCREDIBLE history of the Steelers, a lot of really good guys get cut. It is what it is. :) Can't REALLY go wrong either way.

joefootball
02-12-2009, 12:12 PM
I hope it's Parker, because otherwise he has no business even being mentioned on a list like that.

Yeah I know but who do we sub in there? --- not many alternatives ---- Barry Foster? (Worley -- jk) --- The Rock is on the list and he's one of the weaker ones....

Maybe drop Parker --- add Steed? but that would mean only 4 total RB/FB

or drop Parker and add Kreider? as a FB

joefootball
02-12-2009, 12:13 PM
I think Ham and Russell would have to play inside if this is based on 3-4.

looking at a hybrid D playing both 3-4 and some 4-3 ---it's hard when then Steelers shifted philosophy to accomodate the pre-80's

steelreserve
02-12-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah I know but who do we sub in there? --- not many alternatives ---- Barry Foster? (Worley -- jk) --- The Rock is on the list and he's one of the weaker ones....

Maybe drop Parker --- add Steed? but that would mean only 4 total RB/FB

or drop Parker and add Kreider? as a FB

Just like on a real team, you don't need five RBs. I'd drop him and add Ernie Holmes. And maybe switch out one of the six receivers for someone else on defense, but that's not as big a deal.

jjpro11
02-12-2009, 01:08 PM
man.. this is tough.. yancey thigpen and jason gildon could be included as well.

joefootball
02-12-2009, 01:58 PM
my revisionist thinking.....

1) Drop either Parker/ Rocky or Santonio (only 1)

2) Add Fats Holmes or Levon Kirkland (only 1)



or drop 2 from above and add both Fats Holmes and Kirkland

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You can see I still can't whittle them down...

steelreserve
02-12-2009, 02:08 PM
I've got to say that if you're talking all-time contributions, Parker and Holmes (Santonio) haven't been around a hell of a long time yet; I'd take the other two. That's not to say that Santonio wouldn't make this list one day...

stlrtruck
02-12-2009, 02:17 PM
How about Weegie Thompson at TE?

I remember those fade routes to the corner with him.

I'd also replace Louis Lipps with Yancey Thigpen!

MDSteel15
02-12-2009, 04:49 PM
How about Weegie Thompson at TE?

I remember those fade routes to the corner with him.

I'd also replace Louis Lipps with Yancey Thigpen!

We're boys and all but you done lost your mind! :rofl:

Preacher
02-12-2009, 04:57 PM
I've got to say that if you're talking all-time contributions, Parker and Holmes (Santonio) haven't been around a hell of a long time yet; I'd take the other two. That's not to say that Santonio wouldn't make this list one day...

Oh, I don't know...

Willie has 2 SB's. rings, Santo has 1, and is only second to Ben in importance of the last win.

The Steelers are 7-0 in the playoffs when Willie is on the field and 0-1 in the playoffs when he is not on the field during his starting career.

I think both players would be excellent backups on a legends team.

MDSteel15
02-12-2009, 05:02 PM
QBs
Roethlisberger Ben
Bradshaw Terry
Layne Bobby swich out for YES, Neil O'Donnell

RB/FB
Bettis Jerome
Harris Franco
Johnson John Henry
Parker Willie only because Barry Foster was gone before he got started!
Bleier Rocky

TE
Miller Heath
Cunningham Bennie
Nickel Elbie

WR
Stallworth John
Swann Lynn
Holmes Santonio should be Plax if you go by stats but I'd put Yancey Thigpen here
Ward Hines
Jefferson Roy
Lipps Louis also our punt returner

OT
Kolb Jon
Varrichione Frank
Ilkin Tunch
Brown Larry

OG
Mansfield Ray
Faneca Alan
Van Dyke Bruce
Davis Sam

C
Webster Mike
Dawson Dermontti

Punter Brady Pat
Kicker Anderson Gary

DE
Greenwood L.C.
Smith Aaron
White Dwight
Lipscomb Big Daddy

DT Greene Joe
Hampton Casey
Stautner Ernie

OLB
Russell Andy
Woodley LaMarr not yet! Take out and put Levon Kirkland at ILB
Lloyd Greg
Harrison James
Porter Joey
Ham Jack

ILB
Farrior James
Lambert Jack

CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill
Woodson Rod also out kick returner
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

Safety
Polamalu Troy
Shell Donnie
Wagner Mike
Lake Carnell

This is pretty much how I see it.... Especially with LaMarr, and I am the BIGGEST Woodley supporter other than his MOM! LoL

steelreserve
02-12-2009, 05:03 PM
The Steelers are 7-0 in the playoffs when Willie is on the field and 0-1 in the playoffs when he is not on the field during his starting career.

Yeah, no thanks to him. In five of those games, he was absolutely terrible, and in the sixth he had one big play that turned an otherwise hideous performance into a push. A better stat for the past four years would be that we're 6-1 in the playoffs when we don't have any effective rushing attack.

I don't know what it is today, but don't get me started on Parker, man.

steelersfanman92
02-12-2009, 05:43 PM
I think that it is too early to Santonio on the list

joefootball
02-12-2009, 07:07 PM
This is pretty much how I see it.... Especially with LaMarr, and I am the BIGGEST Woodley supporter other than his MOM! LoL

oh no -- not a O'Donnell over Layne proponent!

Iron Gut
02-12-2009, 07:16 PM
Instead of FWP, how about "Bullet" Bill Dudley?

I also believe Kirkland should be on this list. a little early for Woodley and Holmes.

What? No Kordell? LOL! :rofl:

joefootball
02-12-2009, 07:24 PM
Instead of FWP, how about "Bullet" Bill Dudley?



Coach wants him just to play CB ....

BlastFurnace
02-12-2009, 10:11 PM
My additions to the original List:

Jeff Reed instead of Gary Anderson - Anderson was great for a number of years, but Reed has been clutch for 7 years now. IMO, he's the best Steelers kicker ever.

Levon Kirkland instead of Lamar Woodley - I would remove one OLB and add one ILB. Levon was a freak and the best ILB in the league for about 4 years.

John Jackson instead of Tunch Ilkin - A tough call here as well, but Jackson was an extremely solid LT for about 10 years. The only guy that got the best of him was Charles Haley.

stlrtruck
02-13-2009, 10:20 AM
We're boys and all but you done lost your mind! :rofl:

And you've drank too much of the "local" water! :rofl:

steelerdave1969
02-13-2009, 10:31 AM
Looks good.

One thing that shows how lucky we've been as Steeler fans is Darren Perry, Jason Gildon, and Kevin Greene don't make the cut.

Dont think at all that Lamar Woodley can be there and not Jason Gildon.. no way. And as far as anyone saying that Jeff Reed is more accurate or more reliable needs to go back to NFL School for youngsters. Gary Anderson is one of the top 2 or 3 all-time little less all-time Steelers team.

CPanther95
02-13-2009, 10:43 AM
Rule: You can't slam a player's career performance based on the performance of a single game.

Exception that proves the rule: Neil O'Donnell

steelerdave1969
02-13-2009, 10:49 AM
Rule: You can't slam a player's career performance based on the performance of a single game.

Exception that proves the rule: Neil O'Donnell

I agree CPanther95, but I will never forgive Neil O'Donnell.. NEVER

I also think that WR Yancey Thigpen should be on that list instead of Santonio Holmes at this point in his career. I wouldnt mind seeing TE Eric Green on that list as a great player for the years he was here.

A player I just thought of also that should have been on this list could have been LB Mike Merriweather also a great LB for the Steelers.

MDSteel15
02-14-2009, 01:11 AM
And you've drank too much of the "local" water! :rofl:

Scott, there is no way I'd put Weegie in there over Bennie or Heath or for that matter Eric Green! And no way on God's green Earth do you take out Louis Lipps....PERIOD! :banging:

joefootball
02-14-2009, 03:43 PM
QB 3
RB/fb - 4
WR-5
TE 3
OL 10

DE/dt = 8
LB =9
CB =5
S=4

off = 25
def/st=28



QBs
Roethlisberger Ben
Bradshaw Terry
Layne Bobby

RB/FB
Bettis Jerome
Harris Franco
FB Johnson John Henry
Moral support Bleier Rocky

FWP with one more good season probably supplants the ROCK
Dudley at CB will play some snaps here also

TE
Miller Heath
Nickel Elbie
Cunnigham Bennie (or put Yancey on the team and take off Bennie)

ERIC GREEN is tempting but we aren't carrying 4



WR
Stallworth John
Swann Lynn
Ward Hines
Jefferson Roy
Lipps Louis

Lipps has better stats than Yancey

OT
Kolb Jon
Varrichione Frank
Ilkin Tunch
Brown Larry

OG
Mansfield Ray - playing some G
Faneca Alan
Van Dyke Bruce
Davis Sam

C
Webster Mike
Dawson Dermontti

Punter Sepulveda --- no great choices here
Kicker Anderson Gary

DE
Greenwood L.C.
Smith Aaron
White Dwight
Lipscomb Big Daddy

DT
Greene Joe
Hampton Casey
Stautner Ernie
Holmes Ernie

Steed is a real possibility but I would rather have the guy that shoots at helicopters....

OLB
Jason Gildon
Lloyd Greg
Harrison James
Porter Joey
Ham Jack

Woodley will eventually supplant Gildon ....
Kevin Greene / Merriwether and Hardy Nickerson are a lower tier

ILB
Farrior James
Lambert Jack
Russell Andy (bulking up and moving inside)
Levon Kirkland

Carrying nine lbs is a little much but who can you cut?

CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill ( yes he mainly played RB/PK/SE but he did have 10 INTs one year)
Woodson Rod
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

JT Thomas along with Rocky are probably the 2 weakest players on the team
Pine Edwards or Darren Perry is an option as a 5th safety and removing JT THOMAS
Any other thoughts on a different 5th CB?

Safety
Polamalu Troy
Shell Donnie
Wagner Mike
Lake Carnell

PR - Lipps
KR - Woodson?

LS -- Harrison ---- he'll practice it -- and who is going to tell him he can't do it (Mean Joe?)


Practice Squad

Steed
Eric Green
Hardy Nickerson
Woodley
Santonio
Yancey
John Jackson

stlrtruck
02-14-2009, 04:29 PM
Scott, there is no way I'd put Weegie in there over Bennie or Heath or for that matter Eric Green! And no way on God's green Earth do you tale out Louis Lipps....PERIOD! :banging:

Heath hasn't been around long enough to make the list. Eric Green was a good tight end but I still remember his lard arse running down the field and it was a laugher. Weggie was the man and it's not my fault you can't remember how vital he was to the red-zone offense back in the day.

As for Lipps, you must be forgetting that his career was marred with injuries where as Yancey was the go-to guy for a few years, especially the run in 94 to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately we all know what happen that year!

So you believe if you want that Bennie, Heath or Green would be a better TE on all the time roster list and same for Lipps. I'll take my two guys and we'll just have ot agree to disagree. :drink:

joefootball
02-14-2009, 04:31 PM
I'll post the lipps vs Yancey stats later --- relatively equal but Lipps much more dynamic and a supreme punt returner....

Dynasty
02-14-2009, 04:48 PM
CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill ( yes he mainly played RB/PK/SE but he did have 10 INTs one year)
Woodson Rod
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

JT Thomas along with Rocky are probably the 2 weakest players on the team
Pine Edwards or Darren Perry is an option as a 5th safety and removing JT THOMAS
Any other thoughts on a different 5th CB?


Hell, Ike could be. He's been a solid cover guy for years now.

CargoJon
02-14-2009, 06:15 PM
Wish there were room for Jeff Hartings at C as well, but only 53 spots.

We ought to have a "dishonorable mention" spot for Larry Brown at CB also.:banging: :banging: :banging:

MDSteel15
02-14-2009, 06:45 PM
I'll post the lipps vs Yancey stats later --- relatively equal but Lipps much more dynamic and a supreme punt returner....

TY for making my point.... :thumbsup:

MDSteel15
02-14-2009, 06:47 PM
CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill ( yes he mainly played RB/PK/SE but he did have 10 INTs one year)
Woodson Rod
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

JT Thomas along with Rocky are probably the 2 weakest players on the team
Pine Edwards or Darren Perry is an option as a 5th safety and removing JT THOMAS
Any other thoughts on a different 5th CB?



How about Dwayne Woodruff?

rich4eagle
02-14-2009, 06:58 PM
*****No real order within position*****

Had to make a real 53 man roster (sure hope someone can long snap -- we know JH can't)


THOUGHTS -----

QBs
Roethlisberger Ben
Bradshaw Terry
Layne Bobby

RB/FB
Bettis Jerome
Harris Franco
Johnson John Henry
Parker Willie
Bleier Rocky

TE
Miller Heath
Cunningham Bennie
Nickel Elbie

WR
Stallworth John
Swann Lynn
Holmes Santonio
Ward Hines
Jefferson Roy
Lipps Louis

OT
Kolb Jon
Varrichione Frank
Ilkin Tunch
Brown Larry

OG
Mansfield Ray
Faneca Alan
Van Dyke Bruce
Davis Sam

C
Webster Mike
Dawson Dermontti

Punter Brady Pat
Kicker Anderson Gary

DE
Greenwood L.C.
Smith Aaron
White Dwight
Lipscomb Big Daddy

DT Greene Joe
Hampton Casey
Stautner Ernie

OLB
Russell Andy
Woodley LaMarr
Lloyd Greg
Harrison James
Porter Joey
Ham Jack

ILB
Farrior James
Lambert Jack

CB
Thomas J.T.
Dudley Bill ( yes he mainly played RB but he did have 10 INTs one year)
Woodson Rod
Blount Mel
Butler Jack

Safety
Polamalu Troy
Shell Donnie
Wagner Mike
Lake Carnell

my picks on your list

QB Bradshaw

RB Harris and Johnson

TE Cunningham

WR Stallworth and Ward

OT Brown

C Dawson

K our man now with blond hair.............Reed

DE Greenwood and White

DT Greene

OLB Ham and Harrison

ILB Lambert

CB Woodson and Blount

Safety Polamalu and Lake:tt03::tt03::tt03::tt03::tt03::tt03:

SC Steeler Steve
02-14-2009, 07:10 PM
Damn I definitly think as Steeler fans it is great to be able to have all this debate about it. We could make 2 53 man rosters and the outcome of the game would be a toss up.

Agreed?

Steeldude
02-14-2009, 08:34 PM
OLBs-

ham
russell
lloyd
harrison
green

woodley hasn't shown enough to be considered yet, IMO.

NT-

i feel steed was better than hampton.

safety-

anyone remember everett?

ILB-

nickerson deserves the all-time

HometownGal
02-14-2009, 08:38 PM
Damn I definitly think as Steeler fans it is great to be able to have all this debate about it. We could make 2 53 man rosters and the outcome of the game would be a toss up.

Agreed?

AMEN brother! :drink:

Nice list Joe! :drink:

AT THIS TIME, off that list, I'd have to go with:

QBs
Terry Bradshaw (Ben will surpass most of his records, I believe)

RB/FB
Jerome Bettis
Franco Harris
Rocky Bleier

TE
Heath Miller
Bennie Cunningham (totally underrated, imho)

WR (Again - FOR NOW)
John Stallworth
Lynn Swann
Hines Ward

OT
Jon Kolb
Tunch Ilkin

OG
Ray Mansfield
Alan Faneca
Bruce Van Dyke (an awesome player!)

C
Mike Webster (the greatest C of all time!) :tombstone:
Dermontti Dawson
Jeff Hartings (got to put him in here)

P
Have to go with the old man Bobby Walden here.

K (AGAIN - FOR NOW)
Gawwwwwwwwwwwwwy Anderson

DE
L.C. Greenwood
Dwight White :tombstone:
Aaron Smith

DT
Joe Greene
Ernie Stautner
Big Snack

OLB
Jack Ham
Andy Russell
Greg Lloyd
James Harrison
Joey Porter
LaMarr Woodley

ILB
Jack Lambert
James Farrior

CB
Rod Woodson
Mel Blount
J.T. Thomas (loved the guy!)
Jack Butler

S
Troy Polamalu
Mike Wagner
Donnie Shell
Carnell Lake

rich4eagle
02-14-2009, 09:55 PM
Ernie Stuatner..............good take missed that one

ben2hines=6
02-14-2009, 10:09 PM
jeff reed instead of gary anderson

james farrior has to be in here over woodely

and i still cant believe there are still so many parker haters, guys we won two super bowls with this guy starting

TampaSteelerFan
02-15-2009, 12:07 AM
I'm thinking Kirkland has to be in... We could make room for Woodley right now on the practice squad though! Along with the other boarderline current Steelers like Santonio and Parker. Hey for every 53 man roster there has to be a practice squad right???

joefootball
02-15-2009, 09:16 AM
btw post #29 on page 3 has the revised list....

steelerdave1969
02-15-2009, 10:45 AM
Heath hasn't been around long enough to make the list. Eric Green was a good tight end but I still remember his lard arse running down the field and it was a laugher. Weggie was the man and it's not my fault you can't remember how vital he was to the red-zone offense back in the day.

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Say What You Want To About What Eric Green Looked Like Running Down The Field, The guy was a beast to cover. No safety could keep up with him and no way a DB could tackle him... take your poison, if he would have stayed with the Steelers he would have been the Steelers Best of All-Time in my opinion.

bratsinmybelly
02-16-2009, 01:30 AM
No Mark "the stache" Malone?????

This thing is rigged.

StainlessStill
02-16-2009, 02:28 AM
QBs
Terry Bradshaw
Ben Roethlistberger
Bobby Lane

RB/FB
Franco Harris
Jerome Bettis
Barry Foster
Rocky Bleir
Dan Kreider

TE
Mark Bruener
Heath Miller
Eric Greene

WR
Lynn Swann
John Stallworth
Hines Ward
Yancy Thigpen
Louis Lips
(Santonio needs many more years to be on such a great list)

OT
Marvel Smith
Tunch Ilkin
Larry Brown

OG
Alen Faneca
Sam Davis
Ray Mansfield


C
Mike Webster
Dermontti Dawson
Jeff Hartings

Punter
Josh Miller

Kicker
Gary Anderson

DE
Dwight White
LC Greenewood
Aaron Smith

DT
Joe Greene
Casey Hampton

OLB
Jack Ham
Greg Lloyd
James Harrison
Lamar Woodley
Kevin Greene
Joey Porter

ILB
Jack Lambert
Levon Kirkland
James Farrior

CB
Mel Blount
Rod Woodson
Ike Taylor

Safety
Troy Polamalu
Donnie Shell
Mike Wagner


That's my list. Very hard to breakdown because tons of greats have come and gone, but you have to go with what you first think considering position breakdown and what that person meant to the Steelers and his position.

LambertIsGod58
02-16-2009, 05:42 AM
Ernie Holmes not being on this list is sacrilegious!

BlastFurnace
02-16-2009, 10:16 AM
Heath hasn't been around long enough to make the list. Eric Green was a good tight end but I still remember his lard arse running down the field and it was a laugher. Weggie was the man and it's not my fault you can't remember how vital he was to the red-zone offense back in the day.

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Say What You Want To About What Eric Green Looked Like Running Down The Field, The guy was a beast to cover. No safety could keep up with him and no way a DB could tackle him... take your poison, if he would have stayed with the Steelers he would have been the Steelers Best of All-Time in my opinion.

I'll never forgive Eric Green for not scoring in Arizona in 1994.

The shame of the entire career of Eric Green is that he should have been a HOF'r. He was a beast, uncoverable, great hands...but wasn't motivated enough to keep himself in shape.

BlastFurnace
02-16-2009, 10:16 AM
I can't believe the lack of love for John Jackson in this thread. He was the best LT the Steelers have had in the past 20 years. He would put Marvel and Starks on the bench...quite easily.

joefootball
02-16-2009, 10:22 AM
He would put Marvel and Starks on the bench...quite easily.

No exactly a high standard LOL

joefootball
02-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Ernie Holmes not being on this list is sacrilegious!

He's on the revised one... Pg 3

BlastFurnace
02-16-2009, 10:25 AM
No exactly a high standard LOL

Very true, but Jackson was a heck of a LT for us for a lot of years. We only let him go because SD blew him away with a huge offer.

Another guy who wasn't bad for us, although he was here for a short time was Will Wolford.

joefootball
02-16-2009, 10:25 AM
That's my list. Very hard to breakdown because tons of greats have come and gone, but you have to go with what you first think considering position breakdown and what that person meant to the Steelers and his position.

Gotta try to make a real game roster --- that's the hard part (ie -- 3 Centers are'nt going to make the team, nor only 5 dlineman, etc...)

drew102e
02-16-2009, 10:33 AM
too soon on woodley/parker

good list though

joefootball
02-16-2009, 10:41 AM
too soon on woodley/parker

good list though

page 3 post 29 has the revised list --- they both went Practice squad

joefootball
02-16-2009, 10:42 AM
Very true, but Jackson was a heck of a LT for us for a lot of years. We only let him go because SD blew him away with a huge offer.

Another guy who wasn't bad for us, although he was here for a short time was Will Wolford.

So do you take out TUNCH? I think Tunch with his versatility would trump Jackson

BlastFurnace
02-16-2009, 10:46 AM
So do you take out TUNCH? I think Tunch with his versatility would trump Jackson

If we are strictly looking at the LT position, I make that trade. There has to be a place for Jackson though.

StainlessStill
02-16-2009, 01:41 PM
Gotta try to make a real game roster --- that's the hard part (ie -- 3 Centers are'nt going to make the team, nor only 5 dlineman, etc...)

I was going more for the best players at the position as to being GM or Head Coach.