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HometownGal
02-14-2009, 08:55 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/ObamaFubars.jpg

:laughing::toofunny::laughing:

KeiselPower99
02-14-2009, 09:21 PM
Thats awesome.

GBMelBlount
02-14-2009, 09:22 PM
I thought Pelosi promised to end this culture of corruption. :chuckle:

HometownGal
02-14-2009, 09:52 PM
I thought Pelosi promised to end this culture of corruption. :chuckle:

She's too busy jet-setting all over the world on our tax dollars to worry about a little *cough* *cough* *cough* corruption. :chuckle:

SteelCityMan786
02-14-2009, 09:58 PM
She's too busy jet-setting all over the world on our tax dollars to worry about a little *cough* *cough* *cough* corruption. :chuckle:

She's busted the Logan act doing that to.

HometownGal
02-15-2009, 08:24 AM
She's busted the Logan act doing that to.

She's permitted to do whatever she wants - "do as I say, not as I do:! :doh:

Texasteel
02-15-2009, 08:49 AM
I thought Pelosi promised to end this culture of corruption. :chuckle:

Naaa, she just consolidated it.

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 09:36 AM
Tony got it half right. He said he wasn't concerned about Obama's lack of experience because he was confident he would surround himself with good people.......

At least he got the people part right. :chuckle:

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 09:56 AM
that is too funny. i for one cant stand pelosi.

however if you want to talk about corruption... look at the detroit city council. have of them are under investigation for taking bribes.. what happen for the government working for the people??

KeiselPower99
02-15-2009, 10:25 AM
that is too funny. i for one cant stand pelosi.

however if you want to talk about corruption... look at the detroit city council. have of them are under investigation for taking bribes.. what happen for the government working for the people??

They are working for the people. The people lining their pockets with Ben Frankins.

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 10:31 AM
How funny! Imagine if we lived under a Presidency where people condoned the torture of an innocent...to death!

Oh wait! That was just a few years ago.

Getting back on topic, does anyone want a pacifier?

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 10:34 AM
that is the wrong kind of people..lol..

Preacher
02-15-2009, 10:47 AM
How funny! Imagine if we lived under a Presidency where people condoned the torture of an innocent...to death!

Oh wait! That was just a few years ago.

Getting back on topic, does anyone want a pacifier?

Go back to air-America for your information.

meanwhile, the rest of us will live in the real world.

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 10:51 AM
How funny! Imagine if we lived under a Presidency where people condoned the torture of an innocent...to death!

Oh wait! That was just a few years ago.

Getting back on topic, does anyone want a pacifier?

Pacifier? No thanks. but I'm sure a lot of people will want butt plugs soon.

Let's face, the only thing Obama's collosal new deal will stimulate is the anuses of Americans for generations to come.

How funny! Imagine if we lived under a president who was an idiot and didn't understand introductory economics.....

Oh wait! That is right now. :chuckle:

Getting back on topic, does anyone want socialism?

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 11:01 AM
Go back to air-America for your information.

meanwhile, the rest of us will live in the real world.

Um...okay, let's forget one of the most highly acclaimed documentaries of the past few years.

Pacifier? No thanks. but I'm sure a lot of people will want butt plugs soon.

Let's face, the only thing Obama's collosal new deal will stimulate is the anuses of Americans for generations to come.

How funny! Imagine if we lived under a president who was an idiot and didn't understand introductory economics.....

Oh wait! That is right now. :chuckle:

Getting back on topic, does anyone want socialism?

My issue is, everyone (regardless of political affiliation) loves to say this and that but I've yet to see the bill actually be referenced by any of you. None of you want to present an intelligent, sourced, decent argument, you want to whine. Its Republicans and Democrats alike.

Preacher
02-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Um...okay, let's forget one of the most highly acclaimed documentaries of the past few years.



My issue is, everyone (regardless of political affiliation) loves to say this and that but I've yet to see the bill actually be referenced by any of you. None of you want to present an intelligent, sourced, decent argument, you want to whine. Its Republicans and Democrats alike.


May I suggest you go and read my other two threads?

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 11:15 AM
My issue is, everyone (regardless of political affiliation) loves to say this and that but I've yet to see the bill actually be referenced by any of you. None of you want to present an intelligent, sourced, decent argument, you want to whine. Its Republicans and Democrats alike.

Are you talking about the Obama's supposed economic "stimulus" bill?

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 11:24 AM
but obama inherited this bad economy..lol.

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 11:29 AM
Okay, here's the deal...

Posting an article and saying, "Hey, I think this too," isn't what I'm getting at.

Not many posts in this section present an argument while referencing (there is a difference between linking it and referencing it) articles, or even political theory, and making a point of why something should be in a particular way, especially being proactive about it.

Wealth of Nations would be a superb work to source in these economic threads, and could be used in either camp.

About 99% of the posts I see are, "I don't like so-so doing such-such, mostly because he's not my party, but I'll give out a few reasons that are pretty shallow." Don't like the idea of national healthcare because it will be inefficient and people will abuse? Stand in line.

Everyone knows the basic arguments for and against it, so keep on beating the horse.

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 11:32 AM
if you want national healthcare, move to canada. i have a friend that lives in canada and says that the healthcare sucks there. she had to wait 3 months to get into see a doctor.

although i am a registred republican, i will vote for whoever has the same beliefs as i do.

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 11:35 AM
if you want national healthcare, move to canada. i have a friend that lives in canada and says that the healthcare sucks there. she had to wait 3 months to get into see a doctor.



You really don't get what I'm getting at here do you? :noidea:

Okay, I'm done in the politics of the Locker Room...I really should know better...

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Not many posts in this section present an argument

Well then let's argue Damnit! :chuckle:

Do you feel that Obama's economic "stimulus" plan makes good sense?

Preacher
02-15-2009, 11:51 AM
You really don't get what I'm getting at here do you? :noidea:

Okay, I'm done in the politics of the Locker Room...I really should know better...


Here's the deal, you joined in Nov, of last year.

Which means you missed 8 months of debate in which political theory, socio-economic argument, international relations and heartland theory, etc. etc. was discussed and debated ad nausem.

Now, what you are seeing is many coming back and saying... told you so.

Don't confuse the end of the conversation with the heart of the conversation.

I know, you had no idea... that is why I wanted to share this with you.

MACH1
02-15-2009, 11:53 AM
Are you talking about the Obama's supposed economic "spendulus" bill?

There I fixed it. :chuckle:

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 11:56 AM
Thanks Mach! :chuckle:

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 12:04 PM
economic "spendulus" bill

now that is funny

MACH1
02-15-2009, 12:44 PM
Get your FREE government money!!!

http://whatreallysucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/barack-obama-clown.jpg

Galax Steeler
02-15-2009, 01:37 PM
Get your FREE government money!!!

http://whatreallysucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/barack-obama-clown.jpg

Thats funny where do you come up with all of these pics.:toofunny:

devilsdancefloor
02-15-2009, 05:04 PM
You really don't get what I'm getting at here do you? :noidea:

Okay, I'm done in the politics of the Locker Room...I really should know better...

you are quite the elitist arent you! Id love to say what the stimulas package says, but no one has read it! oh and good bye :wave::wave::popcorn:::wave:

HometownGal
02-15-2009, 05:12 PM
if you want national healthcare, move to canada. i have a friend that lives in canada and says that the healthcare sucks there. she had to wait 3 months to get into see a doctor.

although i am a registred republican, i will vote for whoever has the same beliefs as i do.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::thumbsup:

Ask the people in the UK how well they like socialized medicine.

I think the thread got away from the original topic - Obama obviously is not a good judge of character (and obviously didn't do his homework) in choosing his Dream Team.

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 05:23 PM
i think team obama didnt do all their research on their dream team. i mean daschle, come on. i do agree with hillary for sec of state.

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Here's the deal, you joined in Nov, of last year.

Which means you missed 8 months of debate in which political theory, socio-economic argument, international relations and heartland theory, etc. etc. was discussed and debated ad nausem.

Now, what you are seeing is many coming back and saying... told you so.

Don't confuse the end of the conversation with the heart of the conversation.

I know, you had no idea... that is why I wanted to share this with you.

Hehe, I was signing on before I signed up. Just didn't feel like talking much till I got sick of the Ben bashing.

you are quite the elitist arent you! Id love to say what the stimulas package says, but no one has read it! oh and good bye :wave::wave::popcorn:::wave:

I apologize if I come off this way, I really do. :)

If I bugged anyone I am sorry, just realized I shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

GBMelBlount
02-15-2009, 07:57 PM
Hehe, I was signing on before I signed up. Just didn't feel like talking much till I got sick of the Ben bashing.


Ben Bashing? Oh, are you talking about that football thread up top? Ya, that Ben guy really sucks. Obama could play better than him. :chuckle:

JEFF4i
02-15-2009, 07:59 PM
Ben Bashing? Oh, are you talking about that football thread up top? Ya, that Ben guy really sucks. Obama could play better than him. :chuckle:

Word. :rofl:

Oh, and I can't stand a lot of the Stimulus bill.

HometownGal
02-15-2009, 08:18 PM
i think team obama didnt do all their research on their dream team. i mean daschle, come on. i do agree with hillary for sec of state.

Is there an echo in here?

From my last post:

Obama obviously is not a good judge of character (and obviously didn't do his homework) in choosing his Dream Team. :doh::banging:

OK - I'll bite. On what basis do you agree on Obama's choice of Bitchary as Secretary of State? What qualifications does she have except for a big yap and an ego taller than the Empire State Building?

TackleMeBen
02-15-2009, 08:23 PM
Is there an echo in here?

From my last post:

:doh::banging:

OK - I'll bite. On what basis do you agree on Obama's choice of Bitchary as Secretary of State? What qualifications does she have except for a big yap and an ego taller than the Empire State Building?
she is knowledgable of foreign affairs since she was really running the white house when bill was there. do you think there was a better person for sec of state?

HometownGal
02-15-2009, 09:10 PM
she is knowledgable of foreign affairs since she was really running the white house when bill was there. do you think there was a better person for sec of state?

:rofl::toofunny::laughing: The only foreign affair she is knowledgeable of is when she caught her philandering hubby getting a weenie wash from a French hooker during their visit with la Prez Chirac in Paris. So - she's the one who made the decision to launch the missles into Afghanistan and Sudan to blow Bin Laden's turban off the top of his head (which, as we all know, didn't quite go as planned)? :doh:

I could think of a million people who are more qualified than her, starting with my parakeet.

SteelCityMan786
02-15-2009, 09:52 PM
She's permitted to do whatever she wants - "do as I say, not as I do:! :doh:

At least she'll say that. I'd love to see someone actually attempt to get her to do that in front of a camera so that her district finds away to get rid of her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/ObamaFubars.jpg

:laughing::toofunny::laughing:

Describes how things have gone so far.

tony hipchest
02-15-2009, 09:52 PM
*LMAO @ everyone who thinks cartoons are real*

Go back to air-America for your information.

meanwhile, the rest of us will live in the real world.

yes. getting political info from cartoons and comics is the place to be... :applaudit:




How funny! Imagine if we lived under a president who was an idiot and didn't understand introductory economics.....


your talking about mccain, right?...:hatsoff:

:laughing:

fansince'76
02-15-2009, 09:57 PM
Gotta love the offseason. :coffee:

SteelCityMan786
02-15-2009, 10:01 PM
Gotta love the offseason. :coffee:

Gotta find a way to make it go away faster.

devilsdancefloor
02-15-2009, 10:50 PM
*LMAO @ everyone who thinks cartoons are real*

:laughing:

You mean road runner is not real!!!! damn now i am depressed! :wink02:

C'mon man if it was a toon of bush you'd be busting a gut! what makes these toons funny is the fact that they are 95% truth. You know nothing is funnier than the truth! :drink:

Preacher
02-15-2009, 11:02 PM
*LMAO @ everyone who thinks cartoons are real*



yes. getting political info from cartoons and comics is the place to be... :applaudit:

..:hatsoff:

:laughing:


I thought the represented the opinions of people.

Aren't we supposed care about those opinions? We were a few months ago.

MACH1
02-15-2009, 11:17 PM
You mean road runner is not real!!!! damn now i am depressed! :wink02:

C'mon man if it was a toon of bush you'd be busting a gut! what makes these toons funny is the fact that they are 95% truth. You know nothing is funnier than the truth! :drink:

Like this one? :chuckle:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SQ3mhKiyhrI/AAAAAAAAWus/Z0nJdVY_7lc/s400/obama+cabinet.jpg

SteelCityMan786
02-15-2009, 11:22 PM
Like this one? :chuckle:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SQ3mhKiyhrI/AAAAAAAAWus/Z0nJdVY_7lc/s400/obama+cabinet.jpg

He'd like that one. :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

steelwall
02-16-2009, 01:32 AM
Hey all cartoons aside... These scum bags that we pay OUR tax dollars to (and a sh!t load of tax dollars) evading taxes is down right sickening. I dont give a dam if its a Dem or a Repblican.

These people should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, as well as pay restitution and major fines.

This type of thing makes me sick. Sticking it to us from both ends....

SteelCurtain7
02-16-2009, 02:24 AM
This entire system failure is epic fail of Hegelian synthesis proportions. In short, the two opposing extremes have come together and decided to stick it to the middle-class man. :banging:

revefsreleets
02-16-2009, 09:01 AM
Obama made one STELLAR cabinet choice, though, one above reproach, a guy who has done a tremendous job and no one from either party can question his integrity, ability or accomplishments.

I'm speaking, of course, about Robert Gates. He was an original Bush selection, but it's probably best if we (cough cough) forget all about THAT "Inconvenient Truth"...

SteelCityMan786
02-16-2009, 10:54 AM
Obama made one STELLAR cabinet choice, though, one above reproach, a guy who has done a tremendous job and no one from either party can question his integrity, ability or accomplishments.

I'm speaking, of course, about Robert Gates. He was an original Bush selection, but it's probably best if we (cough cough) forget all about THAT "Inconvenient Truth"...

That's the only one I give a thumbs up.

Dino 6 Rings
02-16-2009, 11:33 AM
I see Obama's replacement in Illinois is now in hot water...Chicago Style Politics:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_go_co/burris_blagojevich_donation

Dino 6 Rings
02-16-2009, 11:39 AM
Troops Home Yet?

http://article.wn.com/view/2009/02/14/Female_bomber_kills_40_pilgrims/

Dino 6 Rings
02-16-2009, 11:41 AM
So much for Policy Change:

http://article.wn.com/view/2009/02/15/US_missile_attack_hits_compound_of_Taliban_bigs/

7SteelGal43
02-16-2009, 01:31 PM
Um...okay, let's forget one of the most highly acclaimed documentaries of the past few years.

Which documentary are you referring too ? If it's ANYthing by Michael Moore :rofl:

SteelCurtain7
02-16-2009, 03:24 PM
She's permitted to do whatever she wants - "do as I say, not as I do:! :doh:

All hail Der Kommissar Pelosi!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

HometownGal
02-16-2009, 04:38 PM
All hail Der Kommissar Pelosi!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

I prefer just calling her BITCH. :chuckle:

JEFF4i
02-16-2009, 04:41 PM
Which documentary are you referring too ? If it's ANYthing by Michael Moore :rofl:

It is called Taxi to the Dark Side, and no it isn't by Michael Moore.

Believe it or not people, you'd learn more from watching Moore, or for liberals, FOXNews, than what you usually do.

Me? Well, politically I'm all over the place, but I've read things from Franken and Coulter, Limbaugh and Pelosi. That's how you learn.

HometownGal
02-16-2009, 04:51 PM
Believe it or not people, you'd learn more from watching Moore, or for liberals, FOXNews, than what you usually do.



Are you serious Jeff? :jawdrop: If his gross fabrication of what happened on 911 is any indication of what I might "learn" from Michael Moore, I think I'll pass.

Me? Well, politically I'm all over the place, but I've read things from Franken and Coulter, Limbaugh and Pelosi. That's how you learn.

Now and then, any of those you mentioned puts up a good opinion - notice I said "opinion" and I pay attention until reality hits me square in the chops and I realize I'm being sucked in all over again by the media, which is what they want.

SCSTILLER
02-16-2009, 04:52 PM
Believe it or not people, you'd learn more from watching Moore, or for liberals, FOXNews, than what you usually do.


Really, I would learn more from watching Moore :wink02:! OK, all I learned in Bowling for Columbine was that the whole school shooting was because Canada had free health care, and that Kmart is bad for selling amunition, that is all that wind bag told me about Columbine.

OK, and then there is Fahrenheit 911! All I learned from that, other than what I already heard on Cnn, FOX, MSNBC, and numerous papers and mags was that our brave troops drove around Iraq with heavy metal music blaring shooting innocent women, children, senior citizens, dogs, cats, birts, cattle, fish, and everything else that moved. I wish he would have been captured by the "insurgency" and had his head sawed off, that I would learn something from!

JEFF4i
02-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Are you serious Jeff? :jawdrop: If his gross fabrication of what happened on 911 is any indication of what I might "learn" from Michael Moore, I think I'll pass.



Now and then, any of those you mentioned puts up a good opinion - notice I said "opinion" and I pay attention until reality hits me square in the chops and I realize I'm being sucked in all over again by the media, which is what they want.

Yeah, most of it is sensational BS to feed rabid liberals, kind of like O'Reilly and Coulter are for the other side. But there are things that can be learned from the opposite side of the spectrum. Moore is worse about it, but Franked brings a lot to the table, just like Limbaugh can.



I wish he would have been captured by the "insurgency" and had his head sawed off, that I would learn something from!

Wow.

Texasteel
02-16-2009, 06:12 PM
It is called Taxi to the Dark Side, and no it isn't by Michael Moore.

Believe it or not people, you'd learn more from watching Moore, or for liberals, FOXNews, than what you usually do.

Me? Well, politically I'm all over the place, but I've read things from Franken and Coulter, Limbaugh and Pelosi. That's how you learn.

The only thing I've learned from Moore is that fat, drunk, and stupid, just might be the way to go threw life.

SteelCurtain7
02-16-2009, 06:24 PM
What exactly can be learned from Nancy Pelosi, except to act all-powerful and look like you're in drastic need of a face-lift?

What can aspiring folks learn from Michael Moore, except how to badly--even deliberately--edit films to skew the interviewed parties' point of view to match your own? I heart propaganda from MM. :rolleyes:

What can you learn from Ann Coulter, except to be mean-spirited and arrogant? Not much, I'm afraid.

Dino 6 Rings
02-16-2009, 07:54 PM
What exactly can be learned from Nancy Pelosi, except to act all-powerful and look like you're in drastic need of a face-lift?.

I know I know...that 30 million dollars to save a Mouse isn't a Pet Project!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

MACH1
02-16-2009, 11:08 PM
Soooo.....You all ready to become a socialist tomorrow when our savior signs that bill.

hindes204
02-16-2009, 11:18 PM
Ive been ready since Nov 4th :banging:

SCSTILLER
02-17-2009, 06:53 AM
Soooo.....You all ready to become a socialist tomorrow when our savior signs that bill.

I'm practicing my goose step march right now!

HometownGal
02-17-2009, 07:18 AM
Soooo.....You all ready to become a socialist tomorrow when our savior signs that bill.

I've already got my K-Y ready and am getting ready to assume the position. :horror:

JEFF4i
02-17-2009, 07:46 AM
I've already got my K-Y ready and am getting ready to assume the position. :horror:

HometownGAL...hmmm, this might be such a bad thing anyway! :applaudit:

MACH1
02-17-2009, 10:46 AM
I've already got my K-Y ready and am getting ready to assume the position. :horror:

I'll leave that one alone. :laughing:

revefsreleets
02-17-2009, 12:03 PM
Really, I would learn more from watching Moore :wink02:! OK, all I learned in Bowling for Columbine was that the whole school shooting was because Canada had free health care, and that Kmart is bad for selling amunition, that is all that wind bag told me about Columbine.

OK, and then there is Fahrenheit 911! All I learned from that, other than what I already heard on Cnn, FOX, MSNBC, and numerous papers and mags was that our brave troops drove around Iraq with heavy metal music blaring shooting innocent women, children, senior citizens, dogs, cats, birts, cattle, fish, and everything else that moved. I wish he would have been captured by the "insurgency" and had his head sawed off, that I would learn something from!

Actually, Bowling for Columbine was about the pervasive culture of fear in the US. Moore was spot on with that one.

9/11 was poppyprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilter profanityfilter for the most part, advancing an agenda. Moore has hits and misses. "Roger and Me" was right on.

As far as "Taxi", that was also anti-Bush propaganda. The movie starts from the position that whatever was going on at Gitmo was wrong, and spends all it's efforts proving so. There is some weak defense, but the filmakers clearly have an agenda and are advancing it. Still not a bad flick, though, and it is sad, but it's looking for (and finds) and evil satanic George Bush and Dick Cheney behind a huge conspiracy, and that's pretty old and tired stuff.

Dino 6 Rings
02-17-2009, 12:07 PM
Back in 2001, I worked for a Pharma company in NJ and we were warned that a "film maker" could be haunting around the grounds trying to catch people in the parking lot and get them on film saying things. Then 9/11 happened and he shifted gears. Why? Because sick people didn't matter anymore in 2001 or because there was More Money in making an anti-Bush movie?

You figure it out

Dino 6 Rings
02-17-2009, 05:06 PM
For Obama, it’s more about showmanship than sunlight

http://www.dcexaminer.com/politics/For-Obama-its-more-about-showmanship-than-sunlight-39689777.html

7SteelGal43
02-17-2009, 06:09 PM
Are you serious Jeff? :jawdrop: If his gross fabrication of what happened on 911 is any indication of what I might "learn" from Michael Moore, I think I'll pass.

Now and then, any of those you mentioned puts up a good opinion - notice I said "opinion" and I pay attention until reality hits me square in the chops and I realize I'm being sucked in all over again by the media, which is what they want.

:applaudit:

revefsreleets
02-17-2009, 06:29 PM
Reagan used some of these same tactics...he also had some substance to back it up.

Let's HOPE that Obama does too. To hope or wish for his failure is pretty much, at this point, to wish for the demise of the US. He's what we've got...

HometownGal
02-17-2009, 07:39 PM
Obama signed the stimulus bill today. My hiney hurts already. :horror:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/17/obama-signs-billion-stimulus-legislation/

Obama Signs $787 Billion Stimulus Package

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

President Obama marks a huge legislative victory less than a month into his term, signing the $787 billion stimulus plan passed by Congress late last week.

In doing so, the president marked a huge legislative victory less than a month into his term. He and Democratic congressional leaders won approval for the $787 billion plan late last week, despite having the support of just three Republicans in the Senate.

Obama said the package would not solve all the country's economic problems but would signify the "beginning of the end" of the recession.

"We have begun the essential work of keeping the American dream alive in our time," Obama said in Denver, calling the bill "the most sweeping economic recovery package in our history."

He said the federal government will send unprecedented levels of support into infrastructure, education, research, energy, health care and state government. He pledged to enact the bill with an "unprecedented level of transparency and accountability."

The signing capped weeks of intense debate on Capitol Hill. Senate and House negotiators met last week to strip billions of dollars out of the package -- which at one point approached $900 billion -- after both chambers initially passed conflicting versions of the bill. The final compromise measure passed Friday before midnight, meeting Obama's Presidents Day weekend deadline.

The signing Tuesday was a victory for Obama, but critics said his handling of the negotiations also undermined and contradicted his calls for bipartisanship. Obama entered campaign mode to sell the package to the public, often criticizing Republicans for their lack of support along the way.

According to Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter, the president chose to sign the bill in his state because of Colorado's potential for renewable energy jobs. The stimulus package includes investments in renewable energy sources being developed in Colorado, including wind and solar energy.

The plan pumps money into infrastructure projects, health care, renewable energy development and conservation, with twin goals of short-term job production and longer-term economic viability.

It includes a $400 tax break for most individual workers and $800 for couples, including those who do not earn enough to pay income taxes. It dishes out tens of billions of dollars to states so they can head off deep cuts and layoffs. It provides financial incentives for people to start buying again, from first homes to new cars.

And it provides help to poor people and laid-off workers, with increased unemployment benefits and food stamps, and subsides for health insurance.

The unemployment rate is now at 7.6 percent, the highest in more than 16 years. Analysts warn the economy will remain feeble through 2009.

Republican lawmakers, meanwhile, largely balked at the economic package. It drew no GOP votes in the House and only three in the Senate, albeit vital ones. Many Republicans said it was short on cutting taxes and the spending measures didn't target the vast sums of money well enough toward short-term job creation, which was the major goal of the bill.

But with the economy shedding jobs, there was widespread consensus in Washington for some sort of stimulus, and fast.

Yet the government's action comes at a cost down the line.

Many private economists are forecasting that the budget deficit for the current year will hit $1.6 trillion, including the stimulus spending. That's about three times last year's shortfall, and such year-to-year deficits contribute toward a mounting national debt.

On Wednesday in Arizona, Obama will unveil another part of his economic recovery effort -- a plan to help millions of homeowners fend off foreclosure.

tony hipchest
02-17-2009, 07:53 PM
my kids and their childrens hineys hurt even worse, but thats not obamas fault. thats just the path we've been heading down.

i guess everybody who ownes a credit card, or owes debt is to blame.

Texasteel
02-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Some people seem to forget that someone is going to have to pay for this. Unless the President plans on writing a personal check.

There is no such thing as free money. This is going to cost someone dearly, or everyone.

tony hipchest
02-17-2009, 10:14 PM
Some people seem to forget that someone is going to have to pay for this. Unless the President plans on writing a personal check.

There is no such thing as free money. This is going to cost someone dearly, or everyone.well that only leaves 2 options.

raise taxes and pay off debts now, or keep on pushing our national debt onto our children and grandchildnren.

we already know how todays americans feel about more taxes so it is inevitible our future generations will be the ones suffering.

we live in the age of self gratification and i dont think anything (or anyone) is capable of changing that.

Dino 6 Rings
02-18-2009, 08:55 AM
Apparently...Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Cheif of Staff, may have his own Tax Issues:

Ooops:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/10/inside-politics-60336509/

"Amazing. Yet another Obama appointee apparently has tax problems. Pardon me, usher, but I think Ive seen this movie before," J.G. Thayer writes at www.commentarymagazine.com.

"This time it's White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. It appears that the former congressman found a handy way to save money. Most members of Congress find themselves having to support two households - one in their home district, and one in or around DC. Some members, in the past, have ended up sharing apartments or town houses. Emanuel took that one step further: he moved into the home of his colleague, Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), staying there for five years. Rent-free," the writer said.

"To most people, this is 'imputed income' - non-financial gifts or compensation that should be reported to the IRS. Emanuel and DeLauro defend their conduct by saying that House ethics rules permit 'hospitality between colleagues.'

Godfather
02-18-2009, 08:57 AM
Apparently...Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Cheif of Staff, may have his own Tax Issues:

Ooops:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/10/inside-politics-60336509/

"Amazing. Yet another Obama appointee apparently has tax problems. Pardon me, usher, but I think Ive seen this movie before," J.G. Thayer writes at www.commentarymagazine.com.

"This time it's White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. It appears that the former congressman found a handy way to save money. Most members of Congress find themselves having to support two households - one in their home district, and one in or around DC. Some members, in the past, have ended up sharing apartments or town houses. Emanuel took that one step further: he moved into the home of his colleague, Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), staying there for five years. Rent-free," the writer said.

"To most people, this is 'imputed income' - non-financial gifts or compensation that should be reported to the IRS. Emanuel and DeLauro defend their conduct by saying that House ethics rules permit 'hospitality between colleagues.'

Butbutbut...McCain can't vet properly!

tony hipchest
02-18-2009, 09:41 AM
"To most people, this is 'imputed income' - non-financial gifts or compensation that should be reported to the IRS. Emanuel and DeLauro defend their conduct by saying that House ethics rules permit 'hospitality between colleagues.' i would never want someone in office who has lived with someone else.

thats deplorable. :coffee:

Dino 6 Rings
02-18-2009, 11:42 AM
i would never want someone in office who has lived with someone else.

thats deplorable. :coffee:

Lived with someone else in a space that was not allowed by law to be rented, and was gifted, which was not claimed on taxes and was over 100,000 in total at least for the time period he lived there.

Its not like it was for a couple weeks. Looking at 5 - 7 years worth of rent free living without taxes being paid.

But that's ok, we'll just allow these Amatuers in the White House to keep making flubs and mistakes without questioning any of their actions.

Preacher
02-18-2009, 02:04 PM
well that only leaves 2 options.

raise taxes and pay off debts now, or keep on pushing our national debt onto our children and grandchildnren.

we already know how todays americans feel about more taxes so it is inevitible our future generations will be the ones suffering.

we live in the age of self gratification and i dont think anything (or anyone) is capable of changing that.


You forgot a third option . . .

CUT SPENDING

If you raise taxes, the money will not go to pay down national debt, it will be spent.

7SteelGal43
02-18-2009, 08:27 PM
i guess everybody who ownes a credit card, or owes debt is to blame.

um, no. I've never had the government take money from anyone to pay MY mortgage or My credit card debt (when I had it). Nor have I ever expected the govt to give me your $$$ to pay for my sh*t.

7SteelGal43
02-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah, most of it is sensational BS to feed rabid liberals, kind of like O'Reilly and Coulter are for the other side. But there are things that can be learned from the opposite side of the spectrum. Moore is worse about it, but Franked brings a lot to the table, just like Limbaugh can.Wow.

You're comparing Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly to Michael "I'm a useless, lying fat ass stretching out my 15 mins of fame force feeding you :poop:" Moore ???!!!
:toofunny::rofl:

7SteelGal43
02-18-2009, 08:41 PM
You forgot a third option . . .

CUT SPENDING

If you raise taxes, the money will not go to pay down national debt, it will be spent.

DING DING DING DING DING "We have a winner. Tell him what he's won, Don Pardo " :applaudit:

7SteelGal43
02-18-2009, 08:45 PM
well that only leaves 2 options.

raise taxes and pay off debts now, or keep on pushing our national debt onto our children and grandchildnren.

we live in the age of self gratification and i dont think anything (or anyone) is capable of changing that.

Our taxes are already too dang high. More than the constitution (originally) EVER meant for citizens to give over to the govt.

Self gratification ? By self you mean GOVT, and by gratification, you mean helping themselves to the money I've earned because they have problems living on a budget (like i have too) and wanna play Santa Clause (keep those votes in their pocket) to a bunch of "what, me work?" F'in losers.. If National debt is pushed on our kids, I'm sorry, but I don't feel responsible. My name ain't National and it ain't my debt.

MACH1
02-18-2009, 09:04 PM
I have an idea, well not really mine as its already being done. Those of us who own a house, stop paying your mortgage and let the government pay it and pay the difference in property value from the time when you first bought it.

Its true, financially well off people are doing this too.
Seriously thinking of jumping on that gravy train.:banging:

tony hipchest
02-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Our taxes are already too dang high. More than the constitution (originally) EVER meant for citizens to give over to the govt.

Self gratification ? By self you mean GOVT, and by gratification, you mean helping themselves to the money I've earned because they have problems living on a budget (like i have too) and wanna play Santa Clause (keep those votes in their pocket) to a bunch of "what, me work?" F'in losers.. If National debt is pushed on our kids, I'm sorry, but I don't feel responsible. My name ain't National and it ain't my debt.i see you are perfect so i will note you as the exception.

in the meantime, we are a nation of debt living in an age of self gratification and over indulgance, no matter what your name is.

im sure you enjoy the roads you drive on, the police who keep you safe, and the military to keep you free.

i love it when people say how to solve all the nations problems but refuse to take ownership as if they are canadians or something. kinda reminds me of draft dodgers. :noidea:

WWII wasnt americas war but thank God back then people actually cared if nazi germany was pushed on our kids.

Preacher
02-18-2009, 10:29 PM
i see you are perfect so i will note you as the exception.

in the meantime, we are a nation of debt living in an age of self gratification and over indulgance, no matter what your name is.

im sure you enjoy the roads you drive on, the police who keep you safe, and the military to keep you free.

i love it when people say how to solve all the nations problems but refuse to take ownership as if they are canadians or something. kinda reminds me of draft dodgers. :noidea:

WWII wasnt americas war but thank God back then people actually cared if nazi germany was pushed on our kids.

Tony, I agree with what you are saying, but disagree with how you think it should be taken care of.

I think the fed. govt. already gets more than enough money to cover all its constitutional responsibilities. I have no problem paying taxes for a standing military, a court system, and a small bureaucracy that makes sure roads are built, phone lines are ran, and no state oversteps its own authority in personal rights.

The problem is, they have gone SO FAR beyond that. So I say, cut away all of the spending, keep the tax rates where they are, pay down the debt, then lower taxes to minimal amounts. That way, the local and state govts. can raise taxes as much as they want to cover the things they need.

As I keep saying, it is much easier to keep your city govt. accountable than your county govt. Easier to keep your county govt. accountable than your state govt., and easier to keep your state govt., accountable than your federal govt.

tony hipchest
02-19-2009, 12:28 AM
Tony, I agree with what you are saying, but disagree with how you think it should be taken care of.

.and i agree with you in theory but there is no denying what we have become as the worlds super power.

we have become the world police in EVERYTHING, and that comes at a cost.

civil rights for all humans
eradication of disease
anti-slavery
enviornment
peace
freedom

etc....

i dont like high taxes but that is the cross we bear to protect our values that we force down the throat of the rest of the world.

hell, if we could go back to buying/selling/owning slaves, we wouldnt have to worry about labor unions, now would we? :tap:

and part of what made us a rich nation in the past was kicking ass and taking what we want. we really cant do that now, so we must now rely on other means.

As I keep saying, it is much easier to keep your city govt. accountable than your county govt. Easier to keep your county govt. accountable than your state govt., and easier to keep your state govt., accountable than your federal govt.
all is easier than trying to keep the entire world accountable which is what we try to do as the world police.

the alternative is armageddon.

7SteelGal43
02-19-2009, 01:16 AM
Tony, I agree with what you are saying, but disagree with how you think it should be taken care of.

I think the fed. govt. already gets more than enough money to cover all its constitutional responsibilities. I have no problem paying taxes for a standing military, a court system, and a small bureaucracy that makes sure roads are built, phone lines are ran, and no state oversteps its own authority in personal rights.

The problem is, they have gone SO FAR beyond that. So I say, cut away all of the spending, keep the tax rates where they are, pay down the debt, then lower taxes to minimal amounts. That way, the local and state govts. can raise taxes as much as they want to cover the things they need.

As I keep saying, it is much easier to keep your city govt. accountable than your county govt. Easier to keep your county govt. accountable than your state govt., and easier to keep your state govt., accountable than your federal govt.

:applaudit: Preacher, I was thinking of how to respond to Tony when I read your post. Couldn't have said it much better myself. :thumbsup:

steelwall
02-19-2009, 02:36 AM
Tony, I agree with what you are saying, but disagree with how you think it should be taken care of.

I think the fed. govt. already gets more than enough money to cover all its constitutional responsibilities. I have no problem paying taxes for a standing military, a court system, and a small bureaucracy that makes sure roads are built, phone lines are ran, and no state oversteps its own authority in personal rights.

The problem is, they have gone SO FAR beyond that. So I say, cut away all of the spending, keep the tax rates where they are, pay down the debt, then lower taxes to minimal amounts. That way, the local and state govts. can raise taxes as much as they want to cover the things they need.

As I keep saying, it is much easier to keep your city govt. accountable than your county govt. Easier to keep your county govt. accountable than your state govt., and easier to keep your state govt., accountable than your federal govt.


Ok it's official ..... I'm nominating Preacher for the next president.:thumbsup:

revefsreleets
02-19-2009, 09:11 AM
It also wouldn't be a bad idea at all to let the World have a year or two on their own. Eff 'em! They don't appreciate what we do, so let see what it's REALLY like without all the aid and intervention and policing...

Dino 6 Rings
02-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Oops, not everyone is happy with the 700 billion dollar spending bill:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

HometownGal
02-20-2009, 06:51 AM
Oops, not everyone is happy with the 700 billion dollar spending bill:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

:toofunny::toofunny::crying01: