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mesaSteeler
02-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Smith speaks about free agency
http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2009/02/smith-speaks-about-free-agency.html

Steelers free agent-to-be offensive tackle Marvel Smith was on Sirius's "Movin' The Chains with hosts Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan Friday.

Here's what the discussion was:

Host, Pat Kirwan: "Marvel, you know free agency is right around the corner. You're going to be a free agent tackle. I'm going to assume you're going to hit the open market. You know the first question I'm going to ask [is] 'How much gas is left in your tank?' Because you have to sell that idea. Because if you got three in you, I got the contract waiting for you."

Marvel Smith: "I'm actually feeling really good. It was difficult going through the injury but, like I said, its probably a blessing that it happened the way it did because I almost didn't play the whole season so it feels like my body is that much more fresher because I had a lot more rest time or what not. And now, it was weird because at the Super Bowl it was a little more frustrating because I felt healthy enough to play. But that was the cards I was dealt. So right now I'm feeling healthy, I'm ready to go, I'm out here working out, training everything already so I'm feeling pretty good."

Pat Kirwan: "All three tackles for the Steelers are going to be hitting free agency in some form or another. Would you like to go back to Pittsburgh? Have they talked to you about coming back?"

Marvel Smith: "I would definitely love to be back in Pittsburgh. I've been there my whole career. So I would definitely love to retire as a Steeler if that's possible. There's definitely been some talk about trying to bring me back and seeing what it's going to take to do that. So my first choice would definitely be Pittsburgh and if that doesn't work out I'll definitely see what other options are out there."

Host, Tim Ryan: "Any hankering to get back to the west coast?"

Marvel Smith: "I was born and raised in Oakland, California. So for me if it didn't, for whatever reason I can't go back to Pittsburgh, and I've been on the east coast my whole career, I would definitely love to be back on the west coast. No doubt about that."

Tim Ryan: "Realistically, where do you see your market value with the situation you're in right now versus the other free agent tackles that are out there?"

Marvel Smith: "To tell you the truth I haven't really paid much attention to it. Talking to my agent there's definitely some interest out there and we'll get a better idea of what that is after the teams go through the combine and sit down and look at there personnel and stuff like that. I really don't judge myself amongst the other guys. I'm just trying to get myself back playing the type of football I know I can play, and go out there and play at the level that I want to."

Tim Ryan: "When healthy - and if you're healthy and you sound like you are, at least getting close - do you still feel like you're an elite left tackle in the pro game?"

Marvel Smith: "No doubt about it. Anybody that's out there in free agency - I don't want to sound, I don't want my comments taken out of context or whatever - but if I'm healthy there's nobody in free agency that's going to be a better left tackle then I am."
Posted by Dale Lolley at 11:08 PM

steelerdave1969
02-15-2009, 09:37 AM
I guess we will see want we?...:noidea:

KeiselPower99
02-15-2009, 09:52 AM
Sign him to a 2 yr deal with incentives. He plays he gets paid.

The Duke
02-15-2009, 10:34 AM
We really can't forget that marvel was a very good LT for us for years. Only worrisome thing is really his health, can't have your left tackle going down at the middle of the season two years in a row

I for one would be happy to let him go, but I have a feeling he'll stay since starks will probably get a big contract in FA

Sign him to a 2 yr deal with incentives. He plays he gets paid.

sounds fair to me:thumbsup:

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-15-2009, 10:53 AM
Sign him to a 2 yr deal with incentives. He plays he gets paid.

I think he will want a 3-4 year deal and if they restructure it correctly, they can make it more cap friendly to release him after a couple seasons.

Smith is 30 and I think Starks is 27 years old. Really not that much different in age and Smith is the much better LT. The only thing is the back issues and I am sure the Steelers medical staff knows his situation very well since Steeler team doctors deal with him.

If the money is equal between the 2, I still would want Smith. I think Starks is gonna get a lot of attention because he is younger and teams think he has greater potential. Sure hope they do something either way in the next couple weeks before free agency gets going.

GodofGridiron
02-15-2009, 11:00 AM
Cut his ass............let him walk. Its been 2 seasons with back issues and im not ready to deal with a third for a plus-30 Tackle. And even if that back is much better than it was last year im quite sure Marvel will never be the same player he once was.

Let him walk. We have to move on.

Iron Gut
02-15-2009, 01:56 PM
Marvel Smith: "No doubt about it. Anybody that's out there in free agency - I don't want to sound, I don't want my comments taken out of context or whatever - but if I'm healthy there's nobody in free agency that's going to be a better left tackle then I am."

I understand that Marvel has to sell himself, but I think he forgot about
Gross with his statement there. that said, Gross will break the bank for some team. Marvel will be lucky to get 4/mil season and any deal he gets will be extremely incentive laden.

fansince'76
02-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Marvel Smith: "No doubt about it. Anybody that's out there in free agency - I don't want to sound, I don't want my comments taken out of context or whatever - but if I'm healthy there's nobody in free agency that's going to be a better left tackle then I am."

All things considered, that's a GIANT "if." Buh-bye, Marvel.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-15-2009, 02:22 PM
I have heard Marvel talk about his back problems as if they are a thing of the past for the last 4 years...but to put things in perspective, he only played 5 more games then I did last year.:noidea:

BlastFurnace
02-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Thanks for your contributions Marvel.

It's time to cut the rope on this one. We need to move on.

HometownGal
02-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Sign him to a 2 yr deal with incentives. He plays he gets paid.

I think that's a damned good idea Keisel. :thumbsup:

Marvel was once a darned good LT but with his medical issues, has become somewhat of a liability. In 2 years, he'll be 32 years old and most likely will be set free to find greener pastures.

I still prefer him over the (almost) 7 Million Dollar Man.

tony hipchest
02-15-2009, 03:12 PM
but to put things in perspective, he only played 5 more games then I did last year.:noidea:

:yep: i heard the interview and he said it was probably a blessing that the injury happened when it did (so early). he said he really didnt know if he came back to early from his surgery last year. :noidea:

he has no problem with (and expects) potential teams having him do a private workout to show he is healthy.

he also understands and accepts the fact that his next contract may be smaller and incentive laden until he proves his health and worth.

he says that fuels his fire.

it was a really good interview. hes got his head on straight about the situation.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Going against the grain..I have to wonder if we arnt better signing Starks.

A Starks in the huddle is better than a Smith on the bench

Stlrs4Life
02-15-2009, 07:23 PM
See ya Marvel. This isn't Las Vegas, I don't gamble with him either.

devilsdancefloor
02-15-2009, 08:26 PM
im at the point where we cut smith and starks 13+ million a year and offer gross 8-9 milion a year plus resign fox, madison & essex for that 13 million Fox & madison are beast on ST and add depth Essex is just depth. get depth plus youth. Marvel seems to think its all behind him but we have heard this song and dance for a few years now! Good luck Marvel!!

bratsinmybelly
02-15-2009, 11:12 PM
Steelers don't typically let a player hit free agency if they intend to keep him (I can't recall a single instance). I think he's gone.

LVSteelersfan
02-16-2009, 12:05 AM
Bye Bye. Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out. Starks is probably the better one to try to keep but he will probably let dollar signs light his eyes up. I am sure slapping the franchise tag on him will cost even more this year.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-16-2009, 12:17 AM
im at the point where we cut smith and starks 13+ million a year and offer gross 8-9 milion a year

Sorry, but Jake Long set the new standard with a 5 year $57.5 million contract. Jordan Gross isnt gonna take anything less than $11 million a year in free agency.

Might be able to get Smith for $3.5 mil a year with incentives and still have $$ to extend Harrison, Miller, McFadden and mabye even get Jason Brown or Jon Stinchcomb in free agency.

The Jordan Gross to the Steelers option I think has 2 chances to work......Slim and None.

Preacher
02-16-2009, 01:00 AM
Starks will never make a probowl at LT. But it seems he is better than Essex at that position as he was depended upon to fill it.

I say pay starks a 5 year contract. He is decent. Fix the bigger holes, then come back to him.

80 percent of excellent on the field is better than 95 percent of excellent on the bench.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-16-2009, 09:59 AM
I say pay starks a 5 year contract. He is decent. Fix the bigger holes, then come back to him.

80 percent of excellent on the field is better than 95 percent of excellent on the bench.

I would only want to put Starks on a 3-4 year contract. He really isnt 80% of excellent.

Here is what Scouts inc said about him as they ranked the players in the super bowl. They ranked Mike Gandy, Levi Brown, Justin Hartwig as linemen that were better than Starks.

35. OT Max Starks -- Steelers
He has very good size and functional play strength for a left tackle. He still has a lot of potential, but has struggled throughout the season with consistency. He doesn't always bend well and has limited lateral quickness in pass protection.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3849137

I still have a problem with extending a 5-year contract to a 5 year NFL veteran who still hasn't realized his "potential". By the time his 10 years are up, we will realize that he was all potential and limited results.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-19-2009, 01:39 PM
Jordan Gross isnt gonna take anything less than $11 million a year in free agency.

The Jordan Gross to the Steelers option I think has 2 chances to work......Slim and None.

Looks like I was wrong.........Gross reportedly is only taking $10 mil a season. (3 year $30.5million deal). Slim just left the building.

JoeLion
02-19-2009, 02:53 PM
Steelers franchise Starks again. Marvel is a goner unless he signs on the cheap.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Steelers franchise Starks again. Marvel is a goner unless he signs on the cheap.

I think its a clear signal to Smith that he will not be a Steeler this season. Most likely gonna go and be an Oakland Raider.

OneForTheToe
02-20-2009, 02:37 AM
I think its a clear signal to Smith that he will not be a Steeler this season. Most likely gonna go and be an Oakland Raider.

I think we should all observe a moment of silence.

Seriously, good luck to Marvel . He was a solid player for the Steelers. Unfortunately he is not worth the risk.

Galax Steeler
02-20-2009, 03:27 AM
I think we have seen the end of Marvel.With the tag on Starks I would say he is good as gone.

revefsreleets
02-20-2009, 09:38 AM
There is a zero percent chance Smith signs anything shorter than a 3-4 year deal. Why would he? That's not what the market will bear...

IMO if the Steelers can determine he's REALLY recovered and healthy, he's a better option at LT. I'd TRY to sign him for 3 years (his agent will probably ask for 5)...better the devil you know....

(Edit) scratch that...just read that we franchised Starks again.

BlastFurnace
02-20-2009, 09:45 AM
There is a zero percent chance Smith signs anything shorter than a 3-4 year deal. Why would he? That's not what the market will bear...

IMO if the Steelers can determine he's REALLY recovered and healthy, he's a better option at LT. I'd TRY to sign him for 3 years (his agent will probably ask for 5)...better the devil you know....

(Edit) scratch that...just read that we franchised Starks again.

I would be shocked if Marvel even plays another 3 or 4 years. As a matter of fact, I would be shocked if he plays more than 16 games total in the next 4 years.

revefsreleets
02-20-2009, 09:59 AM
Not the point. He will want SIGNED for 4-5years. Same deal that Faneca got, and Kimo got...they sign long term and only play for part of the deal...

Trust me, someone will give him what he wants. He'll end up with a deal that pays him 40-50 over 4 or 5 on some desperate team. They'll probbaly get a year or two out of him. Like Faneca, he'll be trading winning for $$$, though...

BlastFurnace
02-20-2009, 10:09 AM
Not the point. He will want SIGNED for 4-5years. Same deal that Faneca got, and Kimo got...they sign long term and only play for part of the deal...

Trust me, someone will give him what he wants. He'll end up with a deal that pays him 40-50 over 4 or 5 on some desperate team. They'll probbaly get a year or two out of him. Like Faneca, he'll be trading winning for $$$, though...

Whoever signs him will be sorely disappointed. He is a LT with lingering back problems. I am just glad we aren't the team that gives him any kind of money at all.

He was a good Steeler, but he's finished.

revefsreleets
02-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Since they franchised Starks, I'm inclined to believe you. The Steelers probably know his back is a continuing problem, hence the no-start in the SB.

markymarc
02-21-2009, 10:07 PM
Thanks for your contributions Marvel.

It's time to cut the rope on this one. We need to move on.

I second, third and fourth that! You were a very good LT for us Marvel and thanks for your years of service, but it's time to move forward without him on the roster.

Fire Haley
02-21-2009, 10:13 PM
Marvel did his duty here, time to move on if he thinks he's getting starters money.

We need our back-ups to be ready to play, and right now he's about even with Trai Essex in that role.