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SamUK
02-22-2009, 03:43 PM
This may sound like a hugely strange request, but bear with me.

I play Football (not that soccer crap aswell) over in the UK, and due to personal matters our Head Coach and Offensive Co-ordinator (one and the same) have had to leave us due to family issues. Bascially, in our area we do not have many coaches so we run skeleton coaches (I know, not great for development but we have what we have).

Has anyone had an experience with working with Offenses (pee wee, high school etc) that could offer some help on plays and new things to try. As i have been made OC and also still playing so will call the game from the huddle(whilst also playing on D and ST :tt::tt::tt::tt:).

We still have a shot at getting to the play-offs and the coach is leaving what we have used this season to date. However, we had an American QB on exchange and now he has gone, leaving us with no QB without a legitmate long ball option, but can hit the short slants and sticks easily enough. So we need a change of plays. We have solid WR's and 2 solid running backs (so yes will be running more), but our O line is shakey at best:doh:

Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions or can offer an insite/help, would be appreicated. I'm not lost or out my depth, but I know many people will have a lot more experience than me so might find some great ideas!

Many Thanks
Sam

Hapa
02-22-2009, 04:05 PM
What kind of offense are you looking to run? I have no coaching experience but understand football well.

SamUK
02-22-2009, 04:12 PM
One that works ;) Or could work and open up a run game, and throwing options are limited to short and probably 10-15 yards deep.

In the UK its pretty much that most teams use a run offense as its easier to have a good RB's than a good QB, so most teams pack the box playing a 4-4 or a 5-3 defence, making it harder to run. We ran alot out of singleback and trips left/right where we can run alot of screens and have blocking to also run wide stretch running plays.

I'm not sure if that helps much....I hope so. Any education I would be grateful for on offensive systems, as I have pretty much played D for 2 out of my 3 years.

Many Thanks in advance.

lilyoder6
02-22-2009, 07:27 PM
u could use the A-11 offense.. i doubt they banned it in the uk

steelersfanman92
02-22-2009, 07:33 PM
The option is always a good offense to run when the QB is not the best passer, out of the option you can run the speed option, triple option, reciever option, and the option pass is one of my all time favorite plays. If you throw some PA passes and some counter treys into the offense you should be fine.

stlrtruck
02-23-2009, 08:27 AM
If you've got the speed, maybe you can use the 3 WR set to one side and use the WR screen like the Steelers did in the playoffs.

Also, try to isolate your best WR to one side and see if you can get him inside the DB and hit him on a slant quick enough so he can get the ball before the LBs get to him.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2009, 09:11 AM
Sam

With a lack of coaching experience...I would stick with the I-formation.......if you have any questions ..pm me and I would be happy to try and make the formation fit your team strength,

Here is a basic explanantion:
http://football.calsci.com/IFormation.html

Some basic plays and explanantions:
http://www.cyber-shack.net/cybercoach/htm/PDF/cc_o_i01.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/stadium/8427/iplays.html

SamUK
02-23-2009, 11:12 AM
If you've got the speed, maybe you can use the 3 WR set to one side and use the WR screen like the Steelers did in the playoffs.

Also, try to isolate your best WR to one side and see if you can get him inside the DB and hit him on a slant quick enough so he can get the ball before the LBs get to him.

We like the WR screen as its quick and our WR's can block (most of the time:helmet:). The isolation will probably work on the team we playing next as they do crowd the box and blitz alot, i mean 7 guys most the time in the box to stuff the run. This does leave the Secondary in Man coverage and I think we have enough speed to burn the CB's every time. Something to work at in training definately on the short quick slants. Thanks for your input

Steelersfanman 92 - I love the option but not something we really have worked on much at all. Again, something to run through in training tomorrow and see how our line holds up with heavy blitzing to what options are open.

Lamberts - I'll probably drop you a PM shortly. We do use I-formation quite abit, and again, against a heavy rush is probably wise to have that extra blocker as well as the TE.

SamUK
02-23-2009, 11:26 AM
u could use the A-11 offense.. i doubt they banned it in the uk

We play NCAA rules unfortuantely and have to have 5 linemen with number 50-79!

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2009, 11:59 AM
We play NCAA rules unfortuantely and have to have 5 linemen with number 50-79!

I just pm'd you....Sounds like you need to go to a 4 WR spread offense.

5 lineman...4 WR's...QB...and RB.

the two "inside" recievers need to be aware enough to read their defender and tell if they are blitzing...if so...they should immedialtly change their route to a "bubble route"....and the QB should know that the WR will be there simply by seeing who blitzes at the snap.

The outside reciever then downfield blocks his man and the inside reciever should pick up 5-10 every play until they adjust.

SamUK
02-23-2009, 12:04 PM
That is not a bad shout actually. That could work and open up our run game quite abit, and keep the passing short, sharp and hopefully crisp, which is what I want to see, ball retention!

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2009, 12:27 PM
That is not a bad shout actually. That could work and open up our run game quite abit, and keep the passing short, sharp and hopefully crisp, which is what I want to see, ball retention!

(Sent this in a pm....but will put it here so that you dont lose it)

With the same formation...

Send two WR on the same side of the field on long patterns as a diversion...( your outside WR on the opposite side will take a slant across the middle with the inside reciever on the opposite side running an up and out to pull his defender away from the play)... then have your RB block and slide to the flat on the side of the long pass , your QB should be rolling as if your looking for the long pass....after the first wave gets by the RB...hit the flat and he should only have one or two players to beat before he gets 15 yards downfield.

(Remind your WR's that they are diversions...but also BLOCKERS, and need to stick their man after the play develops....especially the slant reciever) IF...IF a heads up defender stays on your RB...look for 2nd read on the slant...and if not open you either take the run with your RB blocking his man...or you throw it away.

complicated enough?

SamUK
02-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Recieved and replied...

I've played for long enough to understand all the plays, but just lack the coaching experience and short time to build up several plays that I think can work for my team. So I thank you for your input, have a few more ideas now on what to do. Run plays I'm pretty much sorted for, just them passing options!

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Recieved and replied...

I've played for long enough to understand all the plays, but just lack the coaching experience and short time to build up several plays that I think can work for my team. So I thank you for your input, have a few more ideas now on what to do. Run plays I'm pretty much sorted for, just them passing options!

Are you going to run the spread then...at least on some plays?

SamUK
02-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Yeh I think that will get thrown in for a few plays... want to at least Run it in the spread to see how the D reacts and can adapt accordingly.

steelersfanman92
02-23-2009, 04:28 PM
Out of the Spread QB and HB draws are always good and if you can throw the wheel route a few times you should be able to hit the wheel stop which is a good 15-20 yard route

SamUK
03-08-2009, 04:38 AM
Hey guys,

Few people wanted to know how it went so I thought i would post. The weekend didnt start great, on Saturday I went home, and went to throw the football around with my dad, bro and sis. I kinda chased after my bro, ankle fell in a rut and spained my ankle... I've sprained my ankle maybe 40 times, but I have never had swelling or an ankle the size of a balloon before. Night before, lots of ice, anti-inflamatories but not much walking.

Game day, still swollen and a strange color but lots of tape and i can walk, semi run so im playing!

First quarter and a drive doesnt get going and our long snapper manages to snap the ball clean over the punter into the end zone and we have to take a safety. Really is a Defensive game with neither O really making huge gains.

Start of the second, and worst nightmare, QB gets blindsided after one of our 2 week O-line totallt miss a block and he breaks the clavical bone in his shoulder so he is out for over 2 months now.

They score on a long run around the outside, we stop the 2pt conversion and they go in at the half 8-0 up.

We move to a Double TE set to try and get the run game going, which it works effectively for 2 drives until they change it up and manage to stop it. A careless backwards pass ruins the best drive and hands them back the ball.

Our D got tired in the last quarter and they score 2 more, final score 20-0 to them, which I'm gutted about and was a winnable game... But thats football.

1 more game next sunday, I have National League trial-outs today, my ankle still doesnt look pretty, so that will be fun. So yeh, thanks for all the help and suggestions. Hopefully be better news next sunday!

Hapa
03-08-2009, 09:05 AM
Hey guys,

Few people wanted to know how it went so I thought i would post. The weekend didnt start great, on Saturday I went home, and went to throw the football around with my dad, bro and sis. I kinda chased after my bro, ankle fell in a rut and spained my ankle... I've sprained my ankle maybe 40 times, but I have never had swelling or an ankle the size of a balloon before. Night before, lots of ice, anti-inflamatories but not much walking.

Game day, still swollen and a strange color but lots of tape and i can walk, semi run so im playing!

First quarter and a drive doesnt get going and our long snapper manages to snap the ball clean over the punter into the end zone and we have to take a safety. Really is a Defensive game with neither O really making huge gains.

Start of the second, and worst nightmare, QB gets blindsided after one of our 2 week O-line totallt miss a block and he breaks the clavical bone in his shoulder so he is out for over 2 months now.

They score on a long run around the outside, we stop the 2pt conversion and they go in at the half 8-0 up.

We move to a Double TE set to try and get the run game going, which it works effectively for 2 drives until they change it up and manage to stop it. A careless backwards pass ruins the best drive and hands them back the ball.

Our D got tired in the last quarter and they score 2 more, final score 20-0 to them, which I'm gutted about and was a winnable game... But thats football.

1 more game next sunday, I have National League trial-outs today, my ankle still doesnt look pretty, so that will be fun. So yeh, thanks for all the help and suggestions. Hopefully be better news next sunday!

What position do you play?

SamUK
03-08-2009, 12:55 PM
I play mainly TE, with abit of reciever.... then on Defense DE or OLB, although prefere OLB.