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mesaSteeler
02-22-2009, 09:25 PM
Cardinals coach still has empty feeling

By Scott Brown, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, February 22, 2009
About the writer

Scott Brown is the Steelers beat writer. He can be reached via e-mail or 412-481-5432.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_612900.html

INDIANAPOLIS Steelers chairman Dan Rooney recently sent Ken Whisenhunt a letter congratulating the Arizona Cardinals coach on his team's effort in Super Bowl XLIII.

"It meant a lot to me," Whisenhunt said.

A victory over the Steelers in Arizona's first-ever Super Bowl appearance would have meant a lot more to Whisenhunt.

The underdog Cardinals overcame a 13-point deficit to take a lead late in the fourth quarter only to watch the Steelers rally past them.

Whisenhunt said he is still trying to get over the 27-23 loss that earned the Cardinals a lot of admiration but ultimately left the former Steelers offensive coordinator with an empty feeling.

"It's very hard," Whisenhunt said Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine, "just because of what we did to get there and to be on that stage and to be so close, especially with the way our team came back."

No play has cost Whisenhunt more sleep since Feb. 1 than James Harrison's game-changing, 100-yard interception return for a touchdown.

"At some point maybe you'll be able to get over (the loss) and enjoy what we did," Whisenhunt said, "but right now it's still tough because you know how hard it is to get to that game and to be that close it's difficult."

Whisenhunt gave credit to the Steelers for coming back at the end of the game and scoring the touchdown that delivered a record sixth Super Bowl title to the franchise.

"There's a reason why they've got those six," Whisenhunt said. "Hopefully, we get a chance to go back and we'll have learned from that experience and maybe we'll hold onto the ball for two minutes longer so we come out on top."

(Don't get your hopes up Whiz. After all your owner is Bozo Bidwell. You lost your OC, fired your DC, and your QB coach. Your 38 year old QB has not yet commited to come back, your running back wants to be traded and one of your wide receivers is at best, very unhappy. This total chaos is typical of a Bozo Bidwell owned team.

Whiz has yet to learn that Arizona is where coaches come to die.

You would think that the Steelers example would teach other owners that continuity and team chemistry wins Super Bowls but most never learn. - mesa)
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(Note rest of the article has already been discussed in other threads. - mesa)

Morgan
02-22-2009, 09:39 PM
In those other teams defense, it was over twenty years between the Noll Super Bowls and Cowher winning one, then some serious serendipity this year.

mesaSteeler
02-22-2009, 09:46 PM
In those other teams defense, it was over twenty years between the Noll Super Bowls and Cowher winning one, then some serious serendipity this year.

Well had it been for a certain wretched Cheatriot scum team some who CHEATED their way to the Super Bowl, we would have won at least one more. However even when we did not win the SB we were competitive most of the time.

By the way, WHAT serendipity? Have you forgotten already we had the BEST defense in the NFL and went 12-4 against the toughest schedule in the league?.

We earned that Super Bowl.

Serendipity had nothing to do with it.

OX1947
02-22-2009, 11:11 PM
The reason why the Steelers do not have 9 or 10 Super Bowls right now is because they made the fatal mistake of passing on Dan Marino in 1983. From the middle of 1983 when Bradshaw's elbow finally gave out until Draft Day 2004, the Steelers may have had some of the lousiest players in the history of football playing QB.

Yet in that 21 year span, the Steelers went to 5 AFC titles game, 1 Super Bowl with those lousy QBs. Imagine if the Steelers had a Dan Marino in those 6 games. You're telling me he wouldnt have at least got us 2 or 3 with the defense and running game we had? Its not an accident that the moment the Steelers got a Franchise Qb, they started winning rings again. And if Big Ben stays healthy for another 7 years, I would be surprised if he ends up winning a couple more.

paw-n-maul-u
02-22-2009, 11:28 PM
mmm, gotta disagree with you there mesa ... I think coach Wiz has done verrrrrrry well for himself in Arizona, EXTREMELY.

He took a franchise that had been a joke for the past ten years, and got MORE THAN the most out of the players ...

He came into a situation with a circus boy first round pick that he did not draft, not to mention another first round pick in A. Rolle that was starting to be considered a huge bust. He fumbled around with Leinart last year, then made an extremely difficult and right call with putting in warner.

he switch rolle to safety where he started to blossom at the end of the year, he put larry fitz on the map. got 1000 yards out of edge one of the years (which seemed like something that would never happen)

he took the cardinals from the basement to the bigstage ... brought in some very solid FA's ... and along with rolle, warner, ... also players like dockett and dansby ... he took their careers to a higher notch

he drafts well. DRC is going to be a playmaker. give credit where credit is due. He took a chance as a HC, brought his staff, players he feels comfortable with to make a smooth transition, and he brought a steelers work ethic.

Sure the future might have a lot of critcal questions ... couple with the fact that superbowl losers usually tend to do bad the next year .... HOWEVER hes done extremely will with the hand dealt to this date.

jjpro11
02-23-2009, 12:01 AM
whiz has done a great job with the cardinals.. he's a good coach, i love his attitude and style. he would have been great here too, but im glad we chose tomlin instead.

Fire Haley
02-23-2009, 12:23 AM
He should give Holmgren a call, they can share a glass of whine together.

Galax Steeler
02-23-2009, 03:26 AM
I think Wiz has brought that team along way and if they can keep that team intact they should be a contender again.

StainlessStill
02-23-2009, 10:00 AM
I think Wiz has brought that team along way and if they can keep that team intact they should be a contender again.

Of course he brought the team a long way.. I give him credit for that in todays day of the NFL. But you can't dis-regard facts. Fact of the matter is, is that they finished at a mediocre 9-7.. played in the WORRRST Division in Football (Rams, Seahawks, 9'ers) and lost steam at the end of the season and finished poorly. If it wasn't for contending and playing 2 games at home, esp the NFC CHAMP, I believe they lose the Title game on the road. They will do exactly what Seattle did, and fall off the face of the map in a couple years.

Warner is not young anymore, and they are likely to lose Boldin. We'll see how fierce Fitzgerald is without Boldin across from him on the other side of the field, and after a gunslinger like Warner leaves.

SteelersMongol
02-23-2009, 10:17 AM
The reason why the Steelers do not have 9 or 10 Super Bowls right now is because they made the fatal mistake of passing on Dan Marino in 1983. From the middle of 1983 when Bradshaw's elbow finally gave out until Draft Day 2004, the Steelers may have had some of the lousiest players in the history of football playing QB.

Yet in that 21 year span, the Steelers went to 5 AFC titles game, 1 Super Bowl with those lousy QBs. Imagine if the Steelers had a Dan Marino in those 6 games. You're telling me he wouldnt have at least got us 2 or 3 with the defense and running game we had? Its not an accident that the moment the Steelers got a Franchise Qb, they started winning rings again. And if Big Ben stays healthy for another 7 years, I would be surprised if he ends up winning a couple more.

Johnny Unitas as well.

LukesDad88
02-23-2009, 10:17 AM
[QUOTE=mesaSteeler;569226
(Don't get your hopes up Whiz. After all your owner is Bozo Bidwell. You lost your OC, fired your DC, and your QB coach. Your 38 year old QB has not yet commited to come back, your running back wants to be traded and one of your wide receivers is at best, very unhappy. This total chaos is typical of a Bozo Bidwell owned team.

Whiz has yet to learn that Arizona is where coaches come to die.

You would think that the Steelers example would teach other owners that continuity and team chemistry wins Super Bowls but most never learn. - mesa)
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(Note rest of the article has already been discussed in other threads. - mesa)[/QUOTE]

1) Bidwell's son is the guy that's actively running the team, now, and seems to know what he's doing.

2) Even if Warner doesn't come back, I think Leinart could be a quality QB in the NFL.

3) Haley hurt, but was going to get picked up by somebody sooner or later. It happens with good coordinators. Whis is an able playcaller, they'll be fine their. Defensively, he's been wanting to replace Pendergast since he's got there. He's now got the respect of the organization to do it. They weren't a very good defense last year, but stepped it up for the playoffs. IMO, that speaks well for the talent of the players, and poorly for the scheming of the coach.

4) It's Edge. What do you expect? The guy was benched for half the year. Decent RB's aren't that difficult to find in the draft. As far as Boldin goes, how happy can you keep three 1000 yard receivers. I'm surprised they've been able to keep the egos in check this long. Fitzgerald's the much better receiver and better for team chemistry, Breaston's capable and pretty cheap. Trading Boldin will only help their team, as he's redundant, and a heavy cap burden.

5) Isn't it painfully obvious that following the Steeler's mold is exactly what AZ is trying to do?

Phoenixus
02-23-2009, 10:38 AM
mmm, gotta disagree with you there mesa ... I think coach Wiz has done verrrrrrry well for himself in Arizona, EXTREMELY.

He took a franchise that had been a joke for the past ten years, and got MORE THAN the most out of the players ...

He came into a situation with a circus boy first round pick that he did not draft, not to mention another first round pick in A. Rolle that was starting to be considered a huge bust. He fumbled around with Leinart last year, then made an extremely difficult and right call with putting in warner.

he switch rolle to safety where he started to blossom at the end of the year, he put larry fitz on the map. got 1000 yards out of edge one of the years (which seemed like something that would never happen)

he took the cardinals from the basement to the bigstage ... brought in some very solid FA's ... and along with rolle, warner, ... also players like dockett and dansby ... he took their careers to a higher notch

he drafts well. DRC is going to be a playmaker. give credit where credit is due. He took a chance as a HC, brought his staff, players he feels comfortable with to make a smooth transition, and he brought a steelers work ethic.

Sure the future might have a lot of critcal questions ... couple with the fact that superbowl losers usually tend to do bad the next year .... HOWEVER hes done extremely will with the hand dealt to this date.

I agree,

I'd been watching Wiz over the years in Pittsburgh. I always knew he was a very good Offensive Coordinator, he was able to make some excellent offensive gameplans that often caught the opposing defense completely off guard. More importantly he knew how to utilize the talent he was given very well. I really did not realize just how good he really was until this year.

But I always considered him just a very good offensive coordinator.

I am now convinced this guy was probably one of the best in the business all the while he was here. A move to head coach while unpredictable... showed him to be excellent to outstanding.

There is no way the Cardinals should have beaten all those teams in the playoffs, while they do have the talent, the fact is, just like he did for us all the while, he outschemed them.

And he is a master at catching the other team with it's pants down. He did the exact same thing for us for the superbowl run up to and including the Superbowl against Seattle. He did the same thing for the Cardinals on their recent run.

This guy wasn't just good... he was excellent to outstanding. And he's also turning out to be an excellent head coach as well.

mesaSteeler
02-23-2009, 06:27 PM
1) Bidwell's son is the guy that's actively running the team, now, and seems to know what he's doing.

2) Even if Warner doesn't come back, I think Leinart could be a quality QB in the NFL.

3) Haley hurt, but was going to get picked up by somebody sooner or later. It happens with good coordinators. Whis is an able playcaller, they'll be fine their. Defensively, he's been wanting to replace Pendergast since he's got there. He's now got the respect of the organization to do it. They weren't a very good defense last year, but stepped it up for the playoffs. IMO, that speaks well for the talent of the players, and poorly for the scheming of the coach.

4) It's Edge. What do you expect? The guy was benched for half the year. Decent RB's aren't that difficult to find in the draft. As far as Boldin goes, how happy can you keep three 1000 yard receivers. I'm surprised they've been able to keep the egos in check this long. Fitzgerald's the much better receiver and better for team chemistry, Breaston's capable and pretty cheap. Trading Boldin will only help their team, as he's redundant, and a heavy cap burden.

5) Isn't it painfully obvious that following the Steeler's mold is exactly what AZ is trying to do?

It's painfully obvious the Turdnials are not following the Steeler model.

1. Their fired two of their coaches and lost a third coach so their staff is in turmoil yet again whereas the Steelers coaching is stable. Have their coaching staff in turmoil is typical of the Turdnials.

2. Their starting QB and RB as well as other critical starters are unsigned where all the critical Steelers players are under contract. The Steelers are working to extend the ones who will be up next year that they want to keep.

3. If Lienhart is so good why is he not starting in what will be his fourth year in the league? His play has not impressed the coaching staff or the local fans. Also all that cap money sitting uselessly on the bench for another year. He is also very unhappy about it.

4. There is no guarantee that Boldin will come back. They have to sign Warner, whose family wants him to retire, and Dansby first. Boldin wants his contract renegotiated because he is jealous of Fitz,. This is in spite of the fact he has several years left in on his contract. He's also been a locker room cancer about it. Also how much money can the team tie up in one position?

5. Edge has publicly stated he wants to be traded or cut and the Turdnials do not have a reliable replacement. Like Boldin, he is not what anyone would refer to as a team player.

6. Teams who greatly emphasize offense over defense rarely win Superbowls,

7. The Steelers build through draft and Turdnails seek out worn out high priced free agents like Oliver Ross and Edge.

8. The Turdnails are almost as much as soap opera as the Dallas Drama Queens.

As far as I am concerned are the Turdnials are same heap of bird crap they have always been. I fully expect them to sink back into the NFL sewer.

There is no comparison between the Steelers and the wretched Trudnails.

HometownGal
02-23-2009, 06:38 PM
Edge has publicly stated he wants to be traded or cut and the Turdnials do not have a reliable replacement.

Edge has already started to be "edged" out. Tim Hightower is going to be the starting back next season in AZ and he's no slouch.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Wiz and feel he did a terrific job this season with the Cards, but until that team shores up its D, they aren't going to win the big prize imho.

Godfather
02-23-2009, 08:08 PM
The reason why the Steelers do not have 9 or 10 Super Bowls right now is because they made the fatal mistake of passing on Dan Marino in 1983. From the middle of 1983 when Bradshaw's elbow finally gave out until Draft Day 2004, the Steelers may have had some of the lousiest players in the history of football playing QB.

Yet in that 21 year span, the Steelers went to 5 AFC titles game, 1 Super Bowl with those lousy QBs. Imagine if the Steelers had a Dan Marino in those 6 games. You're telling me he wouldnt have at least got us 2 or 3 with the defense and running game we had? Its not an accident that the moment the Steelers got a Franchise Qb, they started winning rings again. And if Big Ben stays healthy for another 7 years, I would be surprised if he ends up winning a couple more.

I wouldn't classify those quarterbacks as awful, with the exception of Mark Malone. The problem with Neil and Kordell was that they didn't come through in the big games.

devilsdancefloor
02-23-2009, 08:36 PM
1) Bidwell's son is the guy that's actively running the team, now, and seems to know what he's doing.

2) Even if Warner doesn't come back, I think Leinart could be a quality QB in the NFL.

3) Haley hurt, but was going to get picked up by somebody sooner or later. It happens with good coordinators. Whis is an able playcaller, they'll be fine their. Defensively, he's been wanting to replace Pendergast since he's got there. He's now got the respect of the organization to do it. They weren't a very good defense last year, but stepped it up for the playoffs. IMO, that speaks well for the talent of the players, and poorly for the scheming of the coach.

4) It's Edge. What do you expect? The guy was benched for half the year. Decent RB's aren't that difficult to find in the draft. As far as Boldin goes, how happy can you keep three 1000 yard receivers. I'm surprised they've been able to keep the egos in check this long. Fitzgerald's the much better receiver and better for team chemistry, Breaston's capable and pretty cheap. Trading Boldin will only help their team, as he's redundant, and a heavy cap burden.

5) Isn't it painfully obvious that following the Steeler's mold is exactly what AZ is trying to do?

2. Leinart hasnt shown shiat except he knows how to get chicks & hold a beer bong.

5. Not really following the mold more like lets get every ex-player or grab a steelers coach more like it.

TheWarDen86
02-23-2009, 09:34 PM
Cardinals coach still has empty feeling


Whiz has yet to learn that Arizona is where coaches come to die.



The difference is, Whiz took them to the game that no other coach in that organizations history (and the history of 5 other organizations) could get them too.

steelerdave1969
02-24-2009, 03:02 PM
The reason why the Steelers do not have 9 or 10 Super Bowls right now is because they made the fatal mistake of passing on Dan Marino in 1983. From the middle of 1983 when Bradshaw's elbow finally gave out until Draft Day 2004, the Steelers may have had some of the lousiest players in the history of football playing QB.

Yet in that 21 year span, the Steelers went to 5 AFC titles game, 1 Super Bowl with those lousy QBs. Imagine if the Steelers had a Dan Marino in those 6 games. You're telling me he wouldnt have at least got us 2 or 3 with the defense and running game we had? Its not an accident that the moment the Steelers got a Franchise Qb, they started winning rings again. And if Big Ben stays healthy for another 7 years, I would be surprised if he ends up winning a couple more.

Now, I am not saying that Neil O'Donnell belongs in the Hall of Fame, but the man had one bad game as a Steelers and he sucks now?... I dont think so. Dan Marino had a great career in Miami, but he would have Never had that kind of Career in Pittsburgh, No Way!!!

steelerdave1969
02-24-2009, 03:12 PM
I wouldn't classify those quarterbacks as awful, with the exception of Mark Malone. The problem with Neil and Kordell was that they didn't come through in the big games.

Kordell did beat The Baltimore Ravens in 1 Big Game in the playoffs and I really think that if Neil O'Donnell would have stayed with the Steelers and Kordell would have stayed "Slash" the Steelers could have won a tittle. But I do agree with Mark Malone being the " Worst Ever QB for the Steelers " No Doubt in My Mind..