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beSteelmyheart
02-25-2009, 07:32 PM
Which do you prefer? And why?
Just asking because we have been having a bunch of problems with 2 older Dells in the household & in a last ditch desperate move to connect to the internet I hooked up an older iMac last night that was given to me by a friend. I'm barely familiar wiith it & totally computer stupid all over again but it's getting me by. It is a nice computer, there are no complaints, but dealing with the internet is giving me problems here & there.
The mac is strange territory for me!

hindes204
02-25-2009, 08:29 PM
I LOVE MY MAC.....i am computer illiterate mostly, but i do have computer experience at work. I bought my first computer about 6 months ago (i know, im a little behind the times, i guess im a little old school). Anyway, i ponied up about $1800 for a 24" Imac and have been very impressed. It is very user friendly after you get used to it, and the speed is unbelievable. Also, i love the sleek look of the computer

xfl2001fan
02-26-2009, 07:53 AM
For most people, the general consensus has been MAC. Ultimately, though, it really depends on what your intent is for the use of your computer. It all comes down to functionality.

Once you get used to MAC, you'll likely love it.

Hammer67
02-26-2009, 09:29 AM
I work in IT and have been working on PC's and servers for years. Personally, I build my own as it's cheaper. SO, that makes it PC for me. Plus, there is a much larger software offering for PC's at the moment.

That being said, you have to take all emotion out of it. (for some reason, people get emotionally involved with the operating systems and techy hardware, which is just silly)

Mac's tend to be very expensive and now they mostly include PC parts (Intel processors and PC compatible RAM and motherboard architecture. So, you can get the same processing power in a PC for a fraction of the cost...plus, you can custom build your own.

It basically comes down to whether you prefer the MAC OS or Windows/Linux. Both realms have their pros and cons. There is a ton of misinformation out there on both sides, but basically they can both do everything you need, from gaming, Internet and multimedia.

If you were doing High End video processing, you may want to consider a MAC simply because of the software for that type of work is stronger. But, there are decent Windows based products out there as well.

For me, it comes down to cost and customizability and software availability as I am a gamer. So, the PC is a no brainer.

The Duke
02-26-2009, 11:30 AM
For most people, the general consensus has been MAC. Ultimately, though, it really depends on what your intent is for the use of your computer. It all comes down to functionality.

Once you get used to MAC, you'll likely love it.

:thumbsup:

once you get used to mac it is the best system

though if you said you're not too experienced with computers then you should stick with PC imo. It all depends on what you really need your computer for.

I'm planning on buying a mac in the next 2-3 years, but it's because I actually need it

Hammer67
02-26-2009, 12:49 PM
:thumbsup:

once you get used to mac it is the best system

though if you said you're not too experienced with computers then you should stick with PC imo. It all depends on what you really need your computer for.

I'm planning on buying a mac in the next 2-3 years, but it's because I actually need it


Again, this is purely subjective. It all depends on familiarity comfort, and what you are looking to get out of it. Personally, I disagree here as I like the ability to pop in a new graphics card or motherboard whenever I see fit instead of buying an entirley new system....plus, the costs are hard to justify.

I just priced a Core 2 Duo based system iMac with 24" monitor for $1900. You can get a Quad core Dell system with roughly same specs and a 24" monitor for just under $1000. That's a lot of change to pay for the Apple logo.

Preacher
02-26-2009, 01:08 PM
I am running some software that is absolutely killing my computer. Memory, etc.

My friends are running the same software on a mac, without problems.

From what I understand, the mac handles the intel processer much better, making it more efficient.

Also, you can either dual boot, or buy a little software package through which you can run ANY PC based program. Matter of fact, you load windows onto the mac.

So pick your poison. I still have a Dell and am having a hard time changing from it... but the macs I have used. . . well, I am getting convinced.

Hammer67
02-26-2009, 01:31 PM
I am running some software that is absolutely killing my computer. Memory, etc.

My friends are running the same software on a mac, without problems.

From what I understand, the mac handles the intel processer much better, making it more efficient.

Also, you can either dual boot, or buy a little software package through which you can run ANY PC based program. Matter of fact, you load windows onto the mac.

So pick your poison. I still have a Dell and am having a hard time changing from it... but the macs I have used. . . well, I am getting convinced.

One thing that can cause this is if it is a port. For instance, there are some games that were developed on an Xbox and the ports over to the PC require much more processing power to run. This is a result of the software coding not optimized to take advantage of PC hardware. The reverse can happen if software is designed for the PC then ported to a console.

The OS's do address memory differently, so that may be a factor, but then, XP and Vista handle memory management differently and there are performance differences between the two, as there were for 95 and 98SE.

If your PC is older, a refresh of the OS might do it some good and show improvement.

Preacher
02-26-2009, 01:35 PM
One thing that can cause this is if it is a port. For instance, there are some games that were developed on an Xbox and the ports over to the PC require much more processing power to run. This is a result of the software coding not optimized to take advantage of PC hardware. The reverse can happen if software is designed for the PC then ported to a console.

The OS's do address memory differently, so that may be a factor, but then, XP and Vista handle memory management differently and there are performance differences between the two, as there were for 95 and 98SE.

If your PC is older, a refresh of the OS might do it some good and show improvement.

naa, the software (logos software) is made for the PC. I have XP on this laptop, which is two years old.

I am quite torn at this point between the mac and pc.

Hammer67
02-26-2009, 01:43 PM
naa, the software (logos software) is made for the PC. I have XP on this laptop, which is two years old.

I am quite torn at this point between the mac and pc.

Two years is pretty old for any computer to have an OS installed, as you install and unistall software, visit websites, etc., a lot of junk collects on your system. This is true for Mac's and Windows based PC's. You may want to look into a free registry cleaner utility or a free app called CCleaner to clean up the laptop...can make a world of difference.

Looks like these are the spec minimums:

500MHz Pentium III (1GHz Pentium III recommended)
192 MB RAM (512 MB recommended)
Windows 98/Me/NT4.0(SP6a)/2000/XP/Vista
CD-ROM or DVD drive
550 MB hard drive space*
800x600 display (1024x768 recommended)
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 (http://support.microsoft.com/ph/2073) or later

If that's the case, you shouldn't have ANY issue with a relatively modern PC running something like that. Those look like the minimum specs to run XP itself!

drizze99
02-26-2009, 01:59 PM
I have PCs now but only because they are dirt cheap. I grew up on Macs though.

I prefer Macs because they are so well engineered and made from very good components. There is a reason why they are so expensive. The OS is very stable and rarely crashes unlike windows. The OS also has the capability to run windows as well. So you can get a new Mac and have the best of both worlds.

Preacher
02-26-2009, 07:25 PM
Two years is pretty old for any computer to have an OS installed, as you install and unistall software, visit websites, etc., a lot of junk collects on your system. This is true for Mac's and Windows based PC's. You may want to look into a free registry cleaner utility or a free app called CCleaner to clean up the laptop...can make a world of difference.

Looks like these are the spec minimums:

500MHz Pentium III (1GHz Pentium III recommended)
192 MB RAM (512 MB recommended)
Windows 98/Me/NT4.0(SP6a)/2000/XP/Vista
CD-ROM or DVD drive
550 MB hard drive space*
800x600 display (1024x768 recommended)
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 (http://support.microsoft.com/ph/2073) or later

If that's the case, you shouldn't have ANY issue with a relatively modern PC running something like that. Those look like the minimum specs to run XP itself!

Actually, I usually reformat the hardrive about once a year because I mess with programs so much. It doesn't help. I have a dual core at 2 ghz with a gig of ram. My program crashes about every 10 commands. I reassign it realtime priority and it runs a little more stable. Reinstalling doesn't help. My friends on a mac... not a problem.

I think it really has to do with how teh bus handles the info and the way the architecture is built. Macs are just more stable and more efficient.

All that said, I am STILL having a hard time convincing myself to buy a mac as my primary laptop.

Stlrs4Life
02-26-2009, 07:39 PM
What is the differences? Mac and Windows is the difference correct?

beSteelmyheart
02-26-2009, 07:41 PM
So far the problems I have been having with this Mac are all because it was given to me via 3rd party & I don't have the password & thus can't get any sort of current updates for anything without it.
The computer tells me if I want to reset the password, to use the OS X install disc to do it....but when I tried that it asks me for the password!
It's an older iMac, the one with the round base & I do like it, especially cuz it was free but without this password I can't do much. At least I'm able to get Steelers Fever!

Hammer67
02-26-2009, 08:09 PM
Actually, I usually reformat the hardrive about once a year because I mess with programs so much. It doesn't help. I have a dual core at 2 ghz with a gig of ram. My program crashes about every 10 commands. I reassign it realtime priority and it runs a little more stable. Reinstalling doesn't help. My friends on a mac... not a problem.

I think it really has to do with how teh bus handles the info and the way the architecture is built. Macs are just more stable and more efficient.

All that said, I am STILL having a hard time convincing myself to buy a mac as my primary laptop.


Might want to check and see if that software has a patch or update. Sounds like a software issue...perhaps the developers prefer the Mac environment and devoted more time to it.

Preacher
02-26-2009, 08:15 PM
Might want to check and see if that software has a patch or update. Sounds like a software issue...perhaps the developers prefer the Mac environment and devoted more time to it.

They just came out with the mac version. My friends are running either dual boot or the software in mac that allows windows to be ran on their systems.

Nevertheless, they are running Microsoft windows... and it STILL runs better on a Mac.

I think what is holding me back, is the extra expense of buying THEIR laptop, and then ALSO having to buy windows, the software that allows you to run windows on a map laptop, and then everything else.

Seems they are making a major push into the PC world however.

If I were you, I would take a look at the mac and see what it can do for gaming. With the dual boot capability, and its ability to handle graphics, I wonder what it would do in the gaming environment.

hindes204
02-26-2009, 10:26 PM
They just came out with the mac version. My friends are running either dual boot or the software in mac that allows windows to be ran on their systems.

Nevertheless, they are running Microsoft windows... and it STILL runs better on a Mac.

I think what is holding me back, is the extra expense of buying THEIR laptop, and then ALSO having to buy windows, the software that allows you to run windows on a map laptop, and then everything else.

Seems they are making a major push into the PC world however.

If I were you, I would take a look at the mac and see what it can do for gaming. With the dual boot capability, and its ability to handle graphics, I wonder what it would do in the gaming environment.



i run windows on my mac and it runs even better than the pcs at work...i am so glad i spent the extra money to get the mac.....also, there is virtually no viruses for macs so i never need to worry about running anti-virus software...also, the comp pretty much cleans itself up so i have virtually no maintenance to do on it

stlrtruck
02-27-2009, 08:42 AM
I'm not a MAC user but I've heard both good and bad things about it. Same with the PC. I prefer the PC because that's what my father-in-law builds. Personally, I say stay away from businesses like Dell and Gateway - I've been told that they are difficult to upgrade.

kittenfantastico76
03-02-2009, 12:15 PM
I LOVE MACs.

I work all day on a mac.

At home my boyfriend and I both own older macs - they haven't been plugged up for a while, only because our cat as a kitten decided he wanted to chew through the cords to the keyboards... (darn him!!!)... we just hadn't gotten around to replacing the keyboards and I had a PC from home I brought with me. Which I used primarily for internet browsing and that's about it (holding music for itunes etc).

We still simply use the PC for that - usually when we both get home from work we're sick of staring at a computer screen and rarely feel creative enough to grab our macs and do any graphic design (we are both in the field of graphic design).

In the end I LOVE MACS - they are great to use, and basically have everything I NEED to be creative, if I just want to look online etc the PC has what i need but I prefer mac.

Either is affordable if that's all you need it for (social stuff/internet/etc) its when you get into programs that Mac's become pricey... I'd love to have a new mac, maybe one day! :)

SteelCurtain7
03-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Neither. Laptop for me, thanks. :cool:

Hammer67
03-02-2009, 04:54 PM
They just came out with the mac version. My friends are running either dual boot or the software in mac that allows windows to be ran on their systems.

Nevertheless, they are running Microsoft windows... and it STILL runs better on a Mac.

I think what is holding me back, is the extra expense of buying THEIR laptop, and then ALSO having to buy windows, the software that allows you to run windows on a map laptop, and then everything else.

Seems they are making a major push into the PC world however.

If I were you, I would take a look at the mac and see what it can do for gaming. With the dual boot capability, and its ability to handle graphics, I wonder what it would do in the gaming environment.

Actually, for my usage, a PC is the way to go. I do some gaming, but not a lot, but it is a moot point since Mac's now use mostly PC architecure (same processors and bus, Intel based) now. This is what allows them to port to a Windows environment. The only real differences is the OS itself. Mac OS is a modified version of Unix and runs Windows apps in an emulator. Unless, of course, the app is universal (like iTunes).

You may want to check out this comparison:

http://compreviews.about.com/od/general/ss/MacXP.htm

The main reasons I prefer the PC are:

1) Upgradeability - I built my own PC and prefer to upgrade a graphics card or processor when I start feeling the effects of technology creep instead of springing for an entire new system. Mac Pro’s are a step in the right direction for Apple as they moved away from IBM’s Power PC processors to Intel, but see #2 below.

2) Cost - The cost of similar spec'ed PC that I would build or buy vs. a similar Mac model, be it laptop, Mac Pro or whatever, is VASTLY different.

3) Gaming - The PC is still the defacto in gaming. For multiple reasons. Namely: Upgradeability and cost (see above), software selection, driver availability.

4) Unix vs. Linux vs. Windows. - I can have all three on the PC and multiboot if needed. Sure you can do this on a Mac via emulators, but then you are relying on the core OS to do the number crunching within another app.

Some reasons I may want a Mac:
1) look and design - Mac’s are made with portability and aesthetics in mind. PC manufacturers are catching up and offering competing stylings, but Mac is “chic”

2) Graphic design - Always been Mac’s selling point because of industry support for the platform

Windows does have a marketing disadvantage of “bugs, viruses, crashing” etc, but that is usually from people who don’t know much about PC’s and don’t take the proper steps to safeguard or care for them. My experience with Mac’s has shown they can crash just like a PC, are just as susceptible to viruses and have the same problems. My cousin had an issue where his Mac couldn't connect to my wireless network over a standard Linksys router. In fact, the wireless app built into Mac OS X crashed repeatedly.

One misconception with Mac’s are that they are “virus free.” This is simply not true. As with anything else, Microsoft OS’s have a huge market share, and, as such the “hackers” and writers of viruses want the largest audience for their creations. SO, Microsoft get’s targeted. In terms of actual security holes in the various OS’s, they all have problems. It’s just that Linux and Mac systems aren’t a big target yet. But, it’s coming as Mac's gain in popularity. If the bugs that iTunes have are any indication of Apple's prowess, they will get some heat just as Microsoft does.

XP and, to a certain extent, Vista, have been great steps in the direction of usability for Microsoft. Attempting to cull one of the great complaints of Windows. The decisions haven't always been the best for those of us who still prefer command line (DOS!), but they are trying.

:wink02:

Preacher
03-02-2009, 07:00 PM
You know,

with the amount that I use a laptop, and the different things I do, I should probably look into building one.

I have replaced cards before, also installed HD's.

Guess I just have to find out about the MB and some other things... It would probably be the cheapest option.

However, can I do that with a laptop?

Hammer67
03-03-2009, 07:18 AM
You know,

with the amount that I use a laptop, and the different things I do, I should probably look into building one.

I have replaced cards before, also installed HD's.

Guess I just have to find out about the MB and some other things... It would probably be the cheapest option.

However, can I do that with a laptop?

Unfortunately, the only things you can really customize/upgrade with a laptop are usually hard drive and memory. Rule of thumb with a laptop is to get the fastest processor and graphics chip you can afford...the rest can be upgraded. Want to try and futureproof yourself.


I am in the process of building a Media Center PC. You can buy cases now that look just like A/V receivers. I priced one out with power supply, case, MB, processor, ram and a terabyte RAID array...for under $800.