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tucker6
02-28-2009, 06:11 AM
Not sure this is the right forum for this, so please move if I made a mistake.

How is a DT equal in impact to a QB on a team. Yeah, I know defensive players have an impact on a game, but the QB can win or lose the game at any time. So, how can Big Al be worth as much as Big Ben??? I really don't get it. Just as you don't pay your star shortstop the same money as your star pitcher, you don't pay anyone on the football team the same or more than your star QB. Washington has set a bad precedent here.

Is Haynesworth worth $14M per year? Please help me on this one. I'm not seeing it.

Galax Steeler
02-28-2009, 07:11 AM
There is no way that Haynesworth is worth that kind of money,Snider is just being stupid the way he always is.

LukesDad88
02-28-2009, 07:22 AM
There is no way that Haynesworth is worth that kind of money,Snider is just being stupid the way he always is.

No doubt that Haynesworth isn't worth it, and that Snyder's an idiot. However, they weren't alon in this race. If they hadn't paid it, he would have gone somewhere else for similar money.

The biggest PITA about this is the effect it could have on the Harrison negotiations.

tucker6
02-28-2009, 07:30 AM
No doubt that Haynesworth isn't worth it, and that Snyder's an idiot. However, they weren't alon in this race. If they hadn't paid it, he would have gone somewhere else for similar money.

The biggest PITA about this is the effect it could have on the Harrison negotiations.
Agree completely. In fact, this Haynesworth deal may derail the Harrison negotiations. I can see the negotiations failing, and Harrison walking in 2010. From a Steelers perspective, it may work out better that way. The economic climate for defensive palyers may be less next year or James may have an average year. He would also be a year older, and slightly less marketable.. All those reasons would reduce his value somewhat from 2009 levels.

I like James a lot, but I don't want to overpay for him. If I'm Colbert, I might just roll the dice on Harrison, and let his contract ride til 2010, and hope we can re-sign him in a better climate. That frees up money to pay for other needs in 2009. Just a thought.

Steeldude
02-28-2009, 07:46 AM
How is a DT equal in impact to a QB on a team

depends on the team, DT and QB.

but the QB can win or lose the game at any time

which makes it that much more risky to give a QB a huge contract. is he going to win for you or lose for you?

but i agree, the contract for haynesworth is absurd.

I can see the negotiations failing, and Harrison walking in 2010

i am afraid that is what will happen. especially since the cowboys are going to give ware an absurd contract that will most likely eclipse haynesworth's.

get ready for 2010 and no salary cap. the steelers are really going to have to evaluate the team's talent with a microscope. remember though, there is no minimum wage either. special teams' players can be had for $30,000(example). i forget what the current minumum wage is now.

tucker6
02-28-2009, 07:55 AM
[QUOTE=Steeldude;572103]depends on the team, DT and QB.



which makes it that much more risky to give a QB a huge contract. is he going to win for you or lose for you?

but i agree, the contract for haynesworth is absurd.



I agree, but Harrisson and Ben are on the same team. Can we give Harrison the same contract as Ben?? I believe the answer is NO. So, if he wants $14M, then we have no choice but to let him walk.

HometownGal
02-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Haynesworth is an excellent DT but I think the Skins overpaid big time for him and in the process, screwed every other team presently in negotiations with their D players to get them signed long-term, just as Al Davis did. :mad:

I strongly believe the Steelers and Silverback will get a deal done eventually, but this latest development could really throw a curve ball into those negotiations.

stillers4me
02-28-2009, 09:28 AM
I can see Ben restructuring his contract to keep Santonio. Would he do it to keep James?

Texasteel
02-28-2009, 09:35 AM
Haynesworth is an excellent DT but I think the Skins overpaid big time for him and in the process, screwed every other team presently in negotiations with their D players to get them signed long-term, just as Al Davis did. :mad:

I strongly believe the Steelers and Silverback will get a deal done eventually, but this latest development could really throw a curve ball into those negotiations.

This is exactly what I was thinking. This is just Washington being Washington, but now the rest of the teams have to live with their decisions.

CPanther95
02-28-2009, 09:40 AM
Don't worry - if Big Ben were available, Snyder would have paid him even more.

lilyoder6
02-28-2009, 10:14 AM
He knows how to play football, but he's been waaay over done over the years. I dont remember the last big name to head to Washington for a big contract and play well, so maybe people will start to forget about him :wink:

i think the last big contract would of been clinton portis comeing over from denver????? and he seems to be doing real good evry yr

Dino 6 Rings
02-28-2009, 10:34 AM
i think the last big contract would of been clinton portis comeing over from denver????? and he seems to be doing real good evry yr

Yeah but that was a trade for Champ Bailey, one for one. I think the guys like Randel El and Jason Taylor.

Steve Spurrier as Coach.

Here is a list, link I pulled it from below.

Jeremiah Trotter (FA), Deion Sanders (FA), Mark Carrier (FA), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Bruce Smith (FA), Jeff George (FA), Danny Wueffrel (FA), Shane Matthews (FA), Patrick Ramsey (1st round), Trung Candidate (trade), Brandon Lloyd (trade), Laveraneous Coles (FA), John Hall (FA)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/95297-washington-redskins-like-it-or-not-danny-boy-must-back-off

BrandonCarr39
02-28-2009, 08:34 PM
There is no way that Haynesworth is worth that kind of money,Snider is just being stupid the way he always is.

Eh-this signing by the Skins isn't as bad as previous year's Snyder signings.

For the most part, Snyder would overtly break the bank on FF type players like WRs(i.e. individuals who make FF gamers foam at the mouth every week). If anything, the Skins sorely needed a DT pass rushing specialist, and Haynesworth fits that bill.

BrandonCarr39
02-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Yeah but that was a trade for Champ Bailey, one for one. I think the guys like Randel El and Jason Taylor.

Steve Spurrier as Coach.

Here is a list, link I pulled it from below.

Jeremiah Trotter (FA), Deion Sanders (FA), Mark Carrier (FA), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Bruce Smith (FA), Jeff George (FA), Danny Wueffrel (FA), Shane Matthews (FA), Patrick Ramsey (1st round), Trung Candidate (trade), Brandon Lloyd (trade), Laveraneous Coles (FA), John Hall (FA)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/95297-washington-redskins-like-it-or-not-danny-boy-must-back-off

Randel El was actually a decent signing-overpaid? Yes-but he's also an outstanding ST player, and Gibbs/Zorn have been able to utilize him in the offense more b/c of his QB skills.

The Taylor trade was disasterous from the word go, however-Parcells got what he wanted in an extra #2 this year.

Steeldude
03-01-2009, 03:49 AM
Can we give Harrison the same contract as Ben?? I believe the answer is NO. So, if he wants $14M, then we have no choice but to let him walk

but i think BR is overpaid too. harrison is 30/31 years old. too old for a really big contract. if he was 25 i say give him a big contract. IMO, no player is worth 7years/$100 mil.

tucker6
03-01-2009, 06:04 AM
but i think BR is overpaid too. harrison is 30/31 years old. too old for a really big contract. if he was 25 i say give him a big contract. IMO, no player is worth 7years/$100 mil.

In general, I believe ALL athletes are overpaid, and that sports are becoming an elitist activity attendance-wise. We agree there.

Relatively speaking, though, I'm not sure I agree with you on the BR comment. I believe it was Mariucci on NFL Network who said that the first five teams in virtually every draft have one thing in common. Poor QB play. We had just as good a defense in the 90's as the last several years IMHO, yet only went to one SB. We lost that game why?? Oh yeah, poor QB play. The QB is the most important position on the team, and our QB has shown that he can win. He doesn't put up pretty numbers like Peyton, but he is a winner. He certainly deserves top five pay at his position, which is in the $14M range.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but top five DT's averaged $8M prior to the Haynesworth deal. I believe Harrison is worth $8-10M despite what the Skins did. I think the Steelers are of the same mind. A better approach may be to pay him in this range, but allow incentives to get him to the $14M/year.

steelwall
03-01-2009, 06:34 AM
Our biggest advantage at this point in keeping or re-signing players with loyaltiy and drive to win is our ability to win another superbowl.

Who could say what they would do with millions on the line?? but give me a contract for several million, playing a game I love, with a real chance of going down in history as a superbowl winner....I'm taking the later..IMO

If a man can sqaunder 2 mill a year and not turn it into something he can live off of (and his children) then stop buying the Escalades, the 8 mill houses, being on MTV Cribs, and the other houses you visit for vacation. Live like an upper middle class. Thats not a bad life.

It's indicadive of the American culture....spend...spend...spend...immpress everyone with your possesions. Even if it costs you a place in history, even if it means your decendants are not taken care of, or the feeling of selling your soul.

steelwall
03-01-2009, 06:47 AM
Just to make myself clear.....give me 1 million dollars and my grandchildren are taken care of.. Give me 4...I can't even imagine how far that would take me...

tucker6
03-01-2009, 07:13 AM
Just to make myself clear.....give me 1 million dollars and my grandchildren are taken care of.. Give me 4...I can't even imagine how far that would take me...

You're like me. Anyone who cannot live off the interest on $4M has issues. At 5% return, that's $200k per year without touching the $4M. That is upper middle class income, and as you say, you can have a good life in that class.

Galax Steeler
03-01-2009, 07:18 AM
[QUOTE=Steeldude;572617, no player is worth 7years/$100 mil.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what I am talking about in this Haynesworth deal Snyder over paid him.

steelwall
03-01-2009, 07:26 AM
You're like me. Anyone who cannot live off the interest on $4M has issues. At 5% return, that's $200k per year without touching the $4M. That is upper middle class income, and as you say, you can have a good life in that class.

Exactly!!!:noidea: I make far less than 200K a year but my life is fine. Give me 200K a year in just intrest and I'll spend half that at least.

Hapa
03-01-2009, 08:32 AM
I believe that the DT is one of the most important players on the defense. When he plays well, everything goes better.

Steeldude
03-02-2009, 07:30 AM
That is exactly what I am talking about in this Haynesworth deal Snyder over paid him.

i agree. i think haynesworth is overrated, he is good, but not that good. the titans didn't lose a step when he went down with an injury.

OX1947
03-03-2009, 12:41 AM
For those who don't know, Haynesworth's contract will never see 115 mil. It's essentially a 4 year deal at 48 million. The 5th year of the contract, Haynesworth would get paid 29 million if Washington kept him. Even if Albert goes to 4 straight pro bowls and wins a DOPY between now and then, no way in hells Albert sees 29 million. He will either have to restructure or get released. And with 7 years in the league and never playing 16 games in a season, I say Albert will play out the 4 years and have an OK tenure there and peace out.

James Harrison's contract will be 5 years at 50 mil. And with that is a reward for pretty much winning the Super Bowl for us. He single handedly won the Steelers 3 games this year by himself. And without those wins, Steelers do not win a division, do not get the much needed rest by getting the bye week and the Steelers go into the half in the SB down 14-10 instead of up 17-7. Harrison may be 30, but he is a workout machine and doesn't have the wear and tear that a linebacker would normally have. He has only started 2 years.

Oh and another thing, Steelers are known to pay the full amount of the contract they give. I believe more then any other team, I think the percentage was 90%.

BrandonCarr39
03-03-2009, 01:13 AM
For those who don't know, Haynesworth's contract will never see 115 mil. It's essentially a 4 year deal at 48 million. The 5th year of the contract, Haynesworth would get paid 29 million if Washington kept him. Even if Albert goes to 4 straight pro bowls and wins a DOPY between now and then, no way in hells Albert sees 29 million. He will either have to restructure or get released. And with 7 years in the league and never playing 16 games in a season, I say Albert will play out the 4 years and have an OK tenure there and peace out.

James Harrison's contract will be 5 years at 50 mil. And with that is a reward for pretty much winning the Super Bowl for us. He single handedly won the Steelers 3 games this year by himself. And without those wins, Steelers do not win a division, do not get the much needed rest by getting the bye week and the Steelers go into the half in the SB down 14-10 instead of up 17-7. Harrison may be 30, but he is a workout machine and doesn't have the wear and tear that a linebacker would normally have. He has only started 2 years.

Oh and another thing, Steelers are known to pay the full amount of the contract they give. I believe more then any other team, I think the percentage was 90%.

Nothing against Harrison or anything, but for the most part, some of these teams that overpay these big $$$ don't realize that WINNING comes from an OVERALL TEAM effort. Yes-Harrison, and even Haynesworth have been game-changers, but you have to also give alot of credit to your teammates around you-I even referred to in another thread how Canty leaving Dallas could very well affect "game-breaker" Ware's production. B/c Haynesworth doesn't have much talent around him in Washington, he could very well get too many double/triple teams with alot of success.

Anyhow-yes, it looks like Harrison's contract given by the Steelers seems just right. In the long run, your FO could very well have more than enough cash to resign Woodley long term.

As for Haynesworth's monster contract though-this could be bad news for New England-the bar has been raised, and Vince Wilfork may want this kind of payday.

OX1947
03-03-2009, 02:20 AM
Nothing against Harrison or anything, but for the most part, some of these teams that overpay these big $$$ don't realize that WINNING comes from an OVERALL TEAM effort. Yes-Harrison, and even Haynesworth have been game-changers, but you have to also give alot of credit to your teammates around you-I even referred to in another thread how Canty leaving Dallas could very well affect "game-breaker" Ware's production. B/c Haynesworth doesn't have much talent around him in Washington, he could very well get too many double/triple teams with alot of success.

Anyhow-yes, it looks like Harrison's contract given by the Steelers seems just right. In the long run, your FO could very well have more than enough cash to resign Woodley long term.

As for Haynesworth's monster contract though-this could be bad news for New England-the bar has been raised, and Vince Wilfork may want this kind of payday.

Big Ben has a 102 million dollar contract. Manning has a 110 million dollar contract. You overpay $$$$$ to those guys. So team effort and all that crap is only relevant to paying the top talent money. If you dont think so, look at the Steelers from the middle of 1983 thru 2003. All the team and talent in the world, but at the QB position zero, and couldn't get over the hump. As soon as you get a franchise QB, you squeak out a Super Bowl and then pay him 102 mil and he wins you another one with a 2 min drill to boot from the 12 yard line. Its a balance.