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revefsreleets
03-01-2009, 02:45 PM
Even your own media outlets are finally starting to fess up. Obama is breaking campaign promises by the truckload, adopting "Failed Bush Policies" as his own.

No need to comment...what can you say anyway? You. Were. Wrong.

I'll give her credit...she does a great job of spinning and trying to taint the facts with her own bias (a perfect example is where she doesn't even try to hide her disdain for all things Bush by using the term "holding their nose"), but who cares? The facts are undeniable.

http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/40496672.html

(This is the AP, NOT Fox News!!!)
Amid some Obama changes, there's more of the same Afghanistan prisoner policy and 'state secrets' privilege are staying for now
By Nancy Benac
Associated Press

Published on Sunday, Mar 01, 2009
WASHINGTON: For all the sweeping changes that President Barack Obama has delivered, there also has been an ample helping of more-of-the-same.
The Bush policy of imprisoning enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial? The Obama White House is OK with that.
The Bush tax cuts for the rich that candidate Obama promised to wipe out early? President Obama will let them run their course.
The Bush team's claim of a ''state secrets'' privilege to avoid releasing information? The Obama White House has agreed thrice over, even as it reviews the policy.
Across the landscape of government, there are plenty of other instances in which Obama is staying his Republican predecessor's course — at least for now.
Has Obama had a sudden change of heart or undergone a sea change in ideology? Hardly. He's made a clean break with the Bush administration on all sorts of policies and more change is surely coming.
His holdover actions can be traced to a variety of factors: the practical realities of governing, the natural inclination of presidents to preserve their powers, the limits imposed by a tough economy and existing entanglements abroad, and the fact that it's not always easy or desirable to turn around complex policies on a dime.
After all, he's been in office not even six weeks.

Keeping Bush claim
In one case last week, Obama's Justice Department seemed to be holding its nose as it tried to explain why it was continuing the Bush administration's claim that telecommunications companies cannot be sued for cooperating with the government's secret warrantless wiretapping program.
''The government is compelled to defend (the) statute as long as it can reasonably do so,'' spokesman Matthew Miller said in a statement.
Some Obama supporters are nervous.
''There are some troubling signs that can't be ignored,'' Anthony Romero of the American Civil Liberties Union wrote recently about Obama administration actions on secrecy, torture and abuse.
Some Obama critics are chortling.
''Here's something President Obama's biggest fans may need to hear: He's just not that into you,'' conservative columnist Jonah Goldberg wrote last week.
Goldberg pointed to the enemy combatant and state secrets cases, Obama's decision to retain George W. Bush's defense secretary, Robert Gates, and the president's continued support for faith-based programs.

Not rejecting everything
Stephen Biddle, an expert on national security policy at the Council on Foreign Relations, said it's healthy that Obama is avoiding the mindset Bush adopted when he came to office with a reflexive ABC approach, short for Anything But Clinton.
''What we're getting isn't an administration that's automatically rejecting everything,'' Biddle said. ''He's trying to make these calls one by one on the merits.''
Whatever his reasons, Obama has taken some supporters aback with a number of recent actions.
In one, the administration sided with Bush in trying to kill a lawsuit that seeks to recover what could be millions of missing White House e-mails from the Bush years.
Obama's administration also echoed Bush in maintaining that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.
In three pending court cases, it has invoked a ''state secrets'' argument or similar claims to avoid disclosure of sensitive information even as it reviews its policy. An appeals court ruled against the government in one of those cases Friday, refusing to stop a suit by the U.S. chapter of an Islamic charity.
Glenn Sulmasy, who teaches constitutional law at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy, said Obama is simply shifting from campaigning to governing.
''It's just the realities of executive power in the 21st century,'' he said.

Dino 6 Rings
03-01-2009, 04:17 PM
Its funny....when he gets to see the actual real INTEL that the POTUS gets to see during briefings, it seems that maybe, just maybe, Bush was doing the right thing after all. I mean, how many times do you need a terrorist in Gitmo to say "If you let me go, I'm going to try and kill you" before you get the hint.

Funny. Just down right Hilarious.

Hey B.O.? Are the Troops Home Yet?

PisnNapalm
03-01-2009, 07:55 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

The Patriot
03-01-2009, 08:28 PM
The day I meet these crazy liberals... :rolleyes:

KeiselPower99
03-01-2009, 08:46 PM
Maybe Bush wasnt all that bad.

The Patriot
03-01-2009, 10:10 PM
Maybe Bush wasnt all that bad.

No, he was pretty bad.

Preacher
03-02-2009, 02:02 AM
No, he was pretty bad.

Then Obama is just about as bad, as he is continuing most of the same policies, while pushing us even further in debt.

Preacher
03-02-2009, 04:23 AM
Bump

HometownGal
03-02-2009, 07:03 AM
Maybe Bush wasnt all that bad.

Y'know, I didn't support everything GWB did, but I've often said to friends of mine that down the road, some of these Obama worshippers are going to see all of the havoc the current administration is and will wreak upon our country, look back and realize that ol' George really wasn't all that bad. It's coming. Will they admit it outright? Probably not, but they'll be thinking it.

KeiselPower99
03-02-2009, 08:45 AM
George was the root of evil because he took us to war. His policies were solid and thoughtful. With Obama using majority of them it says 2 things to me. Either Obama realizes that or Bush was more liberal then we thought.

Godfather
03-02-2009, 09:04 AM
Then Obama is just about as bad, as he is continuing most of the same policies, while pushing us even further in debt.

I have to agre with this assessment. It irritated me during the campaign when Obama said McCain would be four more years of the same thing because Obama is more like Bush than McCain is.

revefsreleets
03-02-2009, 09:23 AM
This is the gigantic white elephant sitting in the Democrats living room. FINALLY somebody addressed it...

God knows nobody on this board would touch it with a 10 foot pole...

Dino 6 Rings
03-02-2009, 11:14 AM
Don't worry Liberals, Obama will fix everything just look at the Dow today...

oh wait...my bad...

revefsreleets
03-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Yeah, Wall Street sure loves Obama's plan.

7000 and dropping....

Dino 6 Rings
03-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Yeah, Wall Street sure loves Obama's plan.

7000 and dropping....

To his credit, he did say "Change" didn't realize he meant all I'd have left was nickles and dimes.

The Patriot
03-02-2009, 04:56 PM
Yeah, Wall Street sure loves Obama's plan.

7000 and dropping....
I bet they would have loved McCain's plan: to shower them with all the riches they so deserve.

Texasteel
03-02-2009, 04:57 PM
Y'know, I didn't support everything GWB did, but I've often said to friends of mine that down the road, some of these Obama worshippers are going to see all of the havoc the current administration is and will wreak upon our country, look back and realize that ol' George really wasn't all that bad. It's coming. Will they admit it outright? Probably not, but they'll be thinking it.

From what I've seen so far, history will treat Bush much kinder than it will Obama.

HometownGal
03-02-2009, 05:17 PM
I bet they would have loved McCain's plan: to shower them with all the riches they so deserve.

Usual Lib response - don't address the issues - just deflect and run. :coffee:

Godfather
03-02-2009, 05:41 PM
I bet they would have loved McCain's plan: to shower them with all the riches they so deserve.

The Wall Street fat cats didn't want McCain. They gave 75% of their donations to Obama.

silver & black
03-02-2009, 06:11 PM
Y'know, I didn't support everything GWB did, but I've often said to friends of mine that down the road, some of these Obama worshippers are going to see all of the havoc the current administration is and will wreak upon our country, look back and realize that ol' George really wasn't all that bad. It's coming. Will they admit it outright? Probably not, but they'll be thinking it.

Damn straight! I've the said the same thing many times over the last year.

I really hope Obama succeeds in bringing about change... for the better... but I'm not holding my breath.

Preacher
03-02-2009, 06:38 PM
I bet they would have loved McCain's plan: to shower them with all the riches they so deserve.


Oh I don't know... tax breaks which basically let them keep the money they EARNED is a heck of lot less riches then giving them almost a TRILLION dollars.

So much for "new math" in the NEA agenda.

revefsreleets
03-02-2009, 07:12 PM
I distinctly remember pointing out ad nauseum how bad it is for this country to demand even more pounds of flesh from small business.

And look where Obama went first to pay for his European socialist agenda: Small business owners.

The liberals tax their companies to death, now they want to tax their personal earnings to death. So they can't pay a decent wage to workers, and now they'll have no money to spend themselves. Brilliant!

The Patriot
03-02-2009, 07:38 PM
Oh I don't know... tax breaks which basically let them keep the money they EARNED is a heck of lot less riches then giving them almost a TRILLION dollars.

So much for "new math" in the NEA agenda.

They've enjoyed those tax breaks for the last 8 years. Fun time's over. Americans voted against the trickle-down effect. We're gonna try letting the middle class keep the money they've EARNED instead. While those poor Wall Street stock brokers will be once again ladened with the harsh and burdensome taxes of the 1990s.

The Patriot
03-02-2009, 07:42 PM
Usual Lib response - don't address the issues - just deflect and run. :coffee:

<snickers and disappears into the night>

Preacher
03-02-2009, 08:37 PM
They've enjoyed those tax breaks for the last 8 years. Fun time's over. Americans voted against the trickle-down effect. We're gonna try letting the middle class keep the money they've EARNED instead. While those poor Wall Street stock brokers will be once again ladened with the harsh and burdensome taxes of the 1990s.

Bwahahahahahahah. . . and not a WORD about the almost TRILLION dollars Obama is giving those same evil rich people to keep their companies afloat.

tony hipchest
03-02-2009, 08:49 PM
Bwahahahahahahah. . . and not a WORD about the almost TRILLION dollars Obama is giving those same evil rich people to keep their companies afloat.both of our presidents have handed out about a trillion dollars in the past 6 months. desperate times call for desperate measures.

Preacher
03-02-2009, 08:54 PM
both of our presidents have handed out about a trillion dollars in the past 6 months. desperate times call for desperate measures.


Hmmm, but desperate times don't call for desperate measures When Reagan and Bush 43 cut taxes to stimulate the economy out of recessions?

:noidea:

The Patriot
03-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Bwahahahahahahah. . . and not a WORD about the almost TRILLION dollars Obama is giving those same evil rich people to keep their companies afloat.

Obama is not my God! Normally I refer to myself as an independent but in the Locker Room I feel like a shirtless hippie.

I think the Bank, Auto, and Wall Street Bailouts are all travesties. Obama (as well as Bush) thinks they're necessary. I'm not an economist. It's certainly not something I would do, but I have faith in his ability.

revefsreleets
03-03-2009, 10:10 AM
I STILL want to know how it is that when Bush says something, it's the worst idea ever, and he's the worst President ever, and he's evil and eats small babies for breakfast and all that, but when Obama says the EXACT same thing, it suddenly becomes the greatest idea ever, and fresh and new and wonderful?

Dino 6 Rings
03-03-2009, 12:38 PM
I STILL want to know how it is that when Bush says something, it's the worst idea ever, and he's the worst President ever, and he's evil and eats small babies for breakfast and all that, but when Obama says the EXACT same thing, it suddenly becomes the greatest idea ever, and fresh and new and wonderful?

Its because Bush was a Republican. And Republicans don't give out free fish, they try to teach people to Fish for themselves. And who wants to actually work for a living right?

If I say, "Hey, we shouldn't let illegal immigrants and poor people flood our hospitals without insurance, that's not fair and its costs us money as tax payers" well...then I'm labeled a Racist.

Yet if Michelle Obama not only says, but actually DOES that...especially to poor Black People in Chicago as quoted in these articles, then its what? Brilliant?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/michelle_obamas_patientdumping_1.html

steelreserve
03-03-2009, 01:13 PM
I was not really a big fan of Bush, but I was worried about exactly this: When it comes down to it, Obama isn't much different from any other run-of-the-mill politician, except he has the inexperience to be dangerous. So far, it's been more of the same, plus a few token gestures to make people feel good and a lot of wasteful spending.

The amount he's planning to pump up the deficit by this year? That comes out to something like $6,000 per person, closer to $12,000-$15,000 per working person. And I'm sure when the time comes to pay it back, if I'm doing well at all in life, the government will tell me to repay not only my share, but two or three other people's.

Hey, who cares about things like sending your daughter to college or replacing your 20-year-old car? Better to pay for some stranger's medical bills and subsidize $45-an-hour wages for high school dropouts in Detroit. Because hey -- now we have HOPE.

One thing I'm glad about is that at least people aren't giving Obama a huge free pass, like I expected them to because they were glad to be rid of Bush. Time to sink or swim, eh?

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
03-03-2009, 02:16 PM
One thing I'm glad about is that at least people aren't giving Obama a huge free pass, like I expected them to because they were glad to be rid of Bush. Time to sink or swim, eh?

The only people not giving him a free pass are conservatives. The liberals are so far up his ass right now they can't see the light.

steelreserve
03-03-2009, 03:14 PM
The only people not giving him a free pass are conservatives. The liberals are so far up his ass right now they can't see the light.

Well, if that's the case, at least everyone's not ignoring the criticism or failing to acknowledge when something could just be an out-and-out bad idea, like I thought they would. Even public approval for things like the economic stimulus package or health care reform seems to be hovering in the 40s.

If you remember back in December, there were polls saying things like, "85 percent of people approve of the way Obama is handling the transition", whatever that means. As if there was anything for them to like or hate -- I'm willing to be most of them didn't even know what was happening in the transition at all; they were just excited.

All I'm saying is, it seems like more and more people are gradually starting to get over their initial reaction of "OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!" and realizing that just because we're rid of Bush, that doesn't automatically mean the new guy can't be questioned.

stlrtruck
03-04-2009, 06:26 AM
And I'm sure when the time comes to pay it back, if I'm doing well at all in life, the government will tell me to repay not only my share, but two or three other people's.


And we'll all be paying for the illegal immigrants share. Everyone knows them, the ones that are getting free medical care, credit cards without ssn's, etc. Getting the things that hard working Americans don't receive. I wonder how Obama feels about that group of people who don't belong in the US, who continue to come to the US, only to tax the system he's promised to fix!!!

steelreserve
03-04-2009, 12:30 PM
And we'll all be paying for the illegal immigrants share. Everyone knows them, the ones that are getting free medical care, credit cards without ssn's, etc. Getting the things that hard working Americans don't receive. I wonder how Obama feels about that group of people who don't belong in the US, who continue to come to the US, only to tax the system he's promised to fix!!!

Well, since they're both poor and ethnic, that makes them the most important people in the entire country! I think we should pass an extra tax on Whitey to help give them more free stuff. That'll be just one more step toward fulfilling the liberal wet dream where we all sit around puking rainbows while we discuss how to make everything "green" and congratulate each other on how equal we are.