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calsteeler
03-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Okay guys, peace. I'm sorry you all feel I hate Dan Rooney, or that some of your favorite players in this draft are not that good, or soft, at least to me. However, this 4 round Mock I saw, well I can live with it. Although i'm pretty sure most of you here would probably Sub the guy they have us taking in round 2, for the guy being taken early in round 3. I'll let you guys guess whom I'm talking about.

However, in its whole, I can live with this. I'd say I would give this a A-, or a high B+ Grade.




:http://www.kffl.com/article.php/100366/165

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-12-2009, 04:52 PM
I'd still be bitter about seeing that one. Kropog looked absolutely terrible in the Senior Bowl and is more like a 5th round selection IMO.

I'm a big Alex Mack fan, but If it set up that way I would rather see :
1. William Beatty OT
2. Jarron Gilbert DE
3. Antoine Caldwell G/C (or Louis Vasquez G)
4. Keenan Lewis CB

Texasteel
03-12-2009, 05:12 PM
I got to say I think I like Gonzo's 4 pick better.

If we could land a 3rd or even a 4th round comp pick I would sure like to get a FS, maybe Sherrod Martin, or David Bruton.

calsteeler
03-12-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm a big Alex Mack fan, but If it set up that way I would rather see :
1. William Beatty OT
2. Jarron Gilbert DE
3. Antoine Caldwell G/C (or Louis Vasquez G)
4. Keenan Lewis CB[/QUOTE]




I appreciate all your guys opinions. But can someone here please explain ALL the facinatioon over this nobodyJarron Gilbert. He wasn't even a marginal top-150 prospect this season until
SMmel Kiper decided he looked good in shorts, and Ran and lifted well at Indy. The guy had ALL his good numbers this past year against crummy teams, and was totally dominated in the two games that his team did play against.


I mean really guys, this player
is " Captain El Busto! "

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-12-2009, 06:26 PM
I'm a big Alex Mack fan, but If it set up that way I would rather see :
1. William Beatty OT
2. Jarron Gilbert DE
3. Antoine Caldwell G/C (or Louis Vasquez G)
4. Keenan Lewis CB




I appreciate all your guys opinions. But can someone here please explain ALL the facinatioon over this nobodyJarron Gilbert. He wasn't even a marginal top-150 prospect this season until
SMmel Kiper decided he looked good in shorts, and Ran and lifted well at Indy. The guy had ALL his good numbers this past year against crummy teams, and was totally dominated in the two games that his team did play against.


I mean really guys, this player
is " Captain El Busto! "[/QUOTE]

I think before you go and start labelling people Capitan El Busto you should do a bit of research.

-Gilbert is the WAC defensive player of the year
-SF resident draft researcher LLT was pimping Gilbert as a 3rd round pick back in September
- he dominated at the East-West Shrine game (its an all star game in case you didnt know)

he proved to be arguably the most dominant presence at the East-West Shrine Game. The question for scouts now isn't whether Gilbert can play, but at which position to utilize his unique combination of size and athletic ability http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jarron-gilbert?id=79559

The kid had a great combine, outstanding year and could still be getting better. To say he wasnt even a top 150 prospect is just incorrect.

The Definiti0n
03-12-2009, 06:39 PM
any draft that has Mickens being a Steeler calsteeler is happy lol.

Texasteel
03-12-2009, 07:20 PM
These are the teams Gilbert played against.

UC Davis
Nebraska
San Diego St.
Stanford
Hawaii
Utah St.
New Mexico St.
Boise St.
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
Fresno St.

He had
52 Tackles
9.5 Sacks
22 Tackles for loss
2 Forced Fumble.

You make up your own mind about him.
I say the young man can play on my team anytime.

calsteeler
03-12-2009, 07:31 PM
WAC Defensive player of the year ? Does the phrase,,,Oxymoron mean anything to you. I mean C'mon. That's like being voted the hottest chick in Cleveland :-) Texas fan mentioned the teams he has faced. Did you see he left out how non-existent he was against Nebraska ?..an average team at best. Boise State he had ONE sack, and it was after Boise cleared out all their O-Line starters, and after they had a big lead. I mean c'mon folks. DPOY in the WAC ?


Unless I'm wrong,,,and I never am, check the facts there definition. Former steeler HIGH 1st rounder, Huey Richardson was the SEC DPOY, even though the talk leading up in that draft was that he was horrible at the Senior Bowl and Combine drills. Oh he had a wonderful lists of measurables. 250 Lbs, 4.37 in the forty. 47 inch verticle, ,,ect. But most of his SEC stats came against weak teams.



And exactly what did this ALL WORLD SEC DPOY do for us definition ?????


Yeah, I thought so.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-12-2009, 08:43 PM
WAC Defensive player of the year ? Does the phrase,,,Oxymoron mean anything to you. I mean C'mon. That's like being voted the hottest chick in Cleveland :-) Texas fan mentioned the teams he has faced. Did you see he left out how non-existent he was against Nebraska ?..an average team at best. Boise State he had ONE sack, and it was after Boise cleared out all their O-Line starters, and after they had a big lead. I mean c'mon folks. DPOY in the WAC ?


Unless I'm wrong,,,and I never am, check the facts there definition. Former steeler HIGH 1st rounder, Huey Richardson was the SEC DPOY, even though the talk leading up in that draft was that he was horrible at the Senior Bowl and Combine drills. Oh he had a wonderful lists of measurables. 250 Lbs, 4.37 in the forty. 47 inch verticle, ,,ect. But most of his SEC stats came against weak teams.



And exactly what did this ALL WORLD SEC DPOY do for us definition ?????


Yeah, I thought so.

-So I guess the MAC offensive player of the year means nothing too huh??

-How about undrafted Linebackers from Kent State??

To you, Ryan Clady probably never blocked anybody because he played in the WAC I guess?

-A safety from the New Mexico Lobos had a pretty decent NFL career, but I guess the Mountain West Defensive player of the year is an "Oxymoron" too.

You said this guy (Gilbert) was never ranked in the top 150 and I was just pointing out that you were wrong. I never said that Huey Richardson was a good pick , so keep bringing up irrelevant facts in order to deflect from your incorrect assessments. It really shows your true character.

Gilbert was on the draft radar when the season started. Just like Kendall Langford was in 2007........but I guess to draft guru's like yourself, small schools like Hampton dont count.

Texasteel
03-12-2009, 09:02 PM
I didn't leave anything out, didn't add anything in.
If you chose to disregard the WAC defensive player of the year, thats fine. If you don't appreciate the teams he played against, good. If you want to ignore his play in an all star game, go ahead, but don't talk down to the rest of us for not worshiping at your alter, like some self appointed guardian of knowledge. If you can't talk like a grown man or woman, at least try not to act like an ass about it.

We all have our own opinion, and right now yours is not any more valid that anyone else's.

The Definiti0n
03-12-2009, 10:41 PM
WAC Defensive player of the year ? Does the phrase,,,Oxymoron mean anything to you. I mean C'mon. That's like being voted the hottest chick in Cleveland :-) Texas fan mentioned the teams he has faced. Did you see he left out how non-existent he was against Nebraska ?..an average team at best. Boise State he had ONE sack, and it was after Boise cleared out all their O-Line starters, and after they had a big lead. I mean c'mon folks. DPOY in the WAC ?


Unless I'm wrong,,,and I never am, check the facts there definition. Former steeler HIGH 1st rounder, Huey Richardson was the SEC DPOY, even though the talk leading up in that draft was that he was horrible at the Senior Bowl and Combine drills. Oh he had a wonderful lists of measurables. 250 Lbs, 4.37 in the forty. 47 inch verticle, ,,ect. But most of his SEC stats came against weak teams.



And exactly what did this ALL WORLD SEC DPOY do for us definition ?????


Yeah, I thought so.

Who are u refering too???

calsteeler
03-12-2009, 11:22 PM
Def & Texas, I could careless who you personally like. Just like with my favorites, you guys may not like them. But facts are, this SJS DT was not considered a pre-season All-American. he's barely on the Great Blue north's top-100 list right now. And that guy is considered maybe the best talent evaluator around. He's been personally involved in most of the Giants selections. Look, if you are high for him definition, fine. Me, i feel he might be a decent player, but not at 32, and barely at 64. I know he won't last beyond that so if the steelers like him, they will have to take him there. Or depending on which way the wind is blowing with him, maybe trade up in round 2 for him.


It's just like me at 32. Several here have advocated a Tackle like Beatty, or Eben Britten. But to me, those guys are marginal players that may or may not workout. To me definition, I think the steelers may already have a very good RT this ytaining camp IF they use him in pre-season games, and let him run with the first teamers. And that is the Big kid Jason Cappizi. This guy showed me alot in training camp. We were lucky to steal him back off the waiver wire. He would definitely be better than that Idiot Willie Colon at RT. Then, let Colon, Stapelton, and maybe another drafted Guard battle for Simmons spot.


That to me Definition would be alot better than reaching for one of those OT's at 32. Hell I'd rather go with Mack at 32, or a DB than those two.
Although I do like beatty, but not that much. I still say the WR Nicks, IF he's still there is undoubtably the best value, and, a need as well.



But hey, to each his own.

The Definiti0n
03-13-2009, 12:49 AM
I never mentioned Jarron Gilbert. I want Alphonso Smith. What are u talkin about.

Rd1. Alphonso smith
Rd2. Fili Moala

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-13-2009, 10:08 AM
I never mentioned Jarron Gilbert. I want Alphonso Smith. What are u talkin about.

Rd1. Alphonso smith
Rd2. Fili Moala

Those would be 2 quality football players to add to the Steelers. I am just wondering who do you think we would add in round 3 that might have a chance at blocking for our RB's and keeping the sack totals under 40 this season???

The only guys I am thinking might be around in the 3rd is Trevor Cantwell or Alex Boone who might be able to play RT and let Colon slide inside. Or Louis Vasquez at guard just takes over for Stapleton. Behind our current line, I put the over under on concussions for Ben this year at 2.

tony hipchest
03-13-2009, 10:47 AM
woohoo!

WAC love! urlacher was a freak for the lobos.

marshall faulk- sdsu

wasnt tcu in the WAC when ladainian tomlinson put up over 2000 yds and was thought to be a possible bust because of his level of competition?

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-13-2009, 11:15 AM
woohoo!

WAC love! urlacher was a freak for the lobos.

marshall faulk- sdsu

wasnt tcu in the WAC when ladainian tomlinson put up over 2000 yds and was thought to be a possible bust because of his level of competition?

I think you are right about LT being in the WAC with that substandard level of competition. Just like Michael Turner at Northern Illinios and Brandon Jacobs at Southern Illinios.

But, I think the Lobos were in the Mountain West Conference when Urlacher was tearing it up. Good thing, because the MWC player of the year is god-like.....where the WAC DPOY is ..........."an oxymoron". :toofunny:

calsteeler
03-13-2009, 11:25 AM
Tomlinson is a bad example. Cause Tomlinson DID have several games against top Div-I teams during his time, and he had great performances in all. As where this DT had two games against good teams, yes one in his conference in Boise, and in both he was Invisable. And in both, they got crushed. It's just like Definition's boy Alphonso Smith, Oh he likes to " Pimp " his 21 career picks, and how he is a
" Play-maker " But, you know what I say ?,,,against whom ? Against which " Elite " teams/talented WR's did Smith dominate against ?


He went up against D.Heyward-Bey this year, and Bey KILLED him for 11 catches, 150 + Yds, and 2 TD's

Then last year, the true Sophmore, Nicks of UNC had a career high at that time of 8 catches for 124 Yds I believe, and a TD.



So again I put forth, yes 21 picks is nice and all, but when they are mostly coming against " North Eastern Le trade tech & Beauty school university :-),,you'll forgive me if I don't share in Definitions excitment.

tony hipchest
03-13-2009, 11:57 AM
I think you are right about LT being in the WAC with that substandard level of competition. Just like Michael Turner at Northern Illinios and Brandon Jacobs at Southern Illinios.

But, I think the Lobos were in the Mountain West Conference when Urlacher was tearing it up. Good thing, because the MWC player of the year is god-like.....where the WAC DPOY is ..........."an oxymoron". :toofunny:
were both half right. the WAC spun of the mountain teams during both their college careers. i guess they both became suddenly better when they no longer faced the shitty competition in the WAC. :chuckle:

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-13-2009, 12:03 PM
Tomlinson is a bad example. Cause Tomlinson DID have several games against top Div-I teams during his time, and he had great performances in all. As where this DT had two games against good teams, yes one in his conference in Boise, and in both he was Invisable. And in both, they got crushed. It's just like Definition's boy Alphonso Smith, Oh he likes to " Pimp " his 21 career picks, and how he is a
" Play-maker " But, you know what I say ?,,,against whom ? Against which " Elite " teams/talented WR's did Smith dominate against ?


He went up against D.Heyward-Bey this year, and Bey KILLED him for 11 catches, 150 + Yds, and 2 TD's

Then last year, the true Sophmore, Nicks of UNC had a career high at that time of 8 catches for 124 Yds I believe, and a TD.



So again I put forth, yes 21 picks is nice and all, but when they are mostly coming against " North Eastern Le trade tech & Beauty school university :-),,you'll forgive me if I don't share in Definitions excitment.

I'm fine with you not being excited about Smith.

But, if you wanna throw out statements that are flat out false like "the WAC DPOTY is an oxymoron" "Alex Mack is soft" or "the Rooneys are cheap", then you have to expect responses with supporting evidence.

Open your mind a bit and you might just understand that its possible for a DT to not record a ton of sacks and still be considered a top 50 talent in the draft and be a Defensive player of the year in his conference.

St33lersguy
03-13-2009, 06:10 PM
I guess Larry English is a reach in the 1st round because he was in the MAC :chuckle:

SteelMember
03-13-2009, 07:41 PM
Behind our current line, I put the over under on concussions for Ben this year at 2.

:nono: Alright, Alright, Now stop that.
Bad mojo like that will not be tolerated.

Now drink your Kool-aid. :toast: and wave that towel with pride. :tt02:

Texasteel
03-13-2009, 07:49 PM
:nono: Alright, Alright, Now stop that.
Bad mojo like that will not be tolerated.

Now drink your Kool-aid. :toast: and wave that towel with pride. :tt02:

I think I'm the head homer on this site, just ask anyone, and even I know there is a problem with the line.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-13-2009, 11:29 PM
:nono: Alright, Alright, Now stop that.
Bad mojo like that will not be tolerated.

Now drink your Kool-aid. :toast: and wave that towel with pride. :tt02:

If they somehow add some O linemen in the draft and free agency I will lower the over/under to 1, but sadly believe that. Ben is gonna take chances, but he could use some help up front instead of 3rd round picks and later like Fenuki Tupou and other scrubs.

I'll stick to beer and rum in my Kool-aid though.

devilsdancefloor
03-14-2009, 12:27 AM
Def & Texas, I could careless who you personally like. Just like with my favorites, you guys may not like them. But facts are, this SJS DT was not considered a pre-season All-American. he's barely on the Great Blue north's top-100 list right now. And that guy is considered maybe the best talent evaluator around. He's been personally involved in most of the Giants selections. Look, if you are high for him definition, fine. Me, i feel he might be a decent player, but not at 32, and barely at 64. I know he won't last beyond that so if the steelers like him, they will have to take him there. Or depending on which way the wind is blowing with him, maybe trade up in round 2 for him.


It's just like me at 32. Several here have advocated a Tackle like Beatty, or Eben Britten. But to me, those guys are marginal players that may or may not workout. To me definition, I think the steelers may already have a very good RT this ytaining camp IF they use him in pre-season games, and let him run with the first teamers. And that is the Big kid Jason Cappizi. This guy showed me alot in training camp. We were lucky to steal him back off the waiver wire. He would definitely be better than that Idiot Willie Colon at RT. Then, let Colon, Stapelton, and maybe another drafted Guard battle for Simmons spot.


That to me Definition would be alot better than reaching for one of those OT's at 32. Hell I'd rather go with Mack at 32, or a DB than those two.
Although I do like beatty, but not that much. I still say the WR Nicks, IF he's still there is undoubtably the best value, and, a need as well.



But hey, to each his own.

Wow! you say to each their own, but i get the vibe you mean "OMG you dont agree with me god, your a idiot"! man respect is a 2 way street and so far you havent been giving any of the guys here any.

SteelShooter
03-14-2009, 01:01 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Thanks for posting the mock.

SteelMember
03-14-2009, 12:05 PM
I think I'm the head homer on this site, just ask anyone, and even I know there is a problem with the line.

If they somehow add some O linemen in the draft and free agency I will lower the over/under to 1, but sadly believe that. Ben is gonna take chances, but he could use some help up front instead of 3rd round picks and later like Fenuki Tupou and other scrubs.

I'll stick to beer and rum in my Kool-aid though.

:chuckle:

Sarcasm guys.* :wink02:

Alright, Alright, now stop that.
Think Monty Python.

But seriously, I don't think we need to predict concussions :noidea:

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-14-2009, 02:32 PM
:chuckle:

Sarcasm guys.* :wink02:


Think Monty Python.

But seriously, I don't think we need to predict concussions :noidea:

I got the sarcasm.

Ok, no concussions, but can we predict games missed due to injury in general?? (shoulder separation, rib cartiladge, knee sprain, dizzyness due to helmet to turf contact, etc.) I bet Vegas has it about 3 games right now. :wink:

SteelersTilIDie
03-15-2009, 04:16 PM
i'd like to see
1. sean smith
2. louis murphy
3. darry beckwith
3. mitch king
4. louis vasquez
5. robert gardner
6. Jarrett Dillard
7. Jorvorskie Lane
7. DeAngelo Willingham