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Hammer Of The GODS
03-18-2009, 04:51 PM
This has been posted in another thread, but it deserves it's own thread. (Kudos to stillers4me for posting original link to the story)

It appears the mesiah(obuma) in his infinite audacity has determined that the men and women who served this country will no longer receive medical treatment at the VA's(governments) expense. It seems this arrogant pile of shit wants the Vets "private" insurance to pay for the treatment of thier BATTLE wounds.


WTF ?!!!? :mad:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142654.php

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/veterans_insurance.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newst ab



SO OBAMA SUPPORTERS........How can you possibly spin this bullshit? How do you sleep at night knowing you voted this POS into office? YOU OWN THIS!


THIS IS THE WORST THING ANY PRESIDENT HAS EVER PROPOSED!

I am beyond pissed! This proposal would have a very personal and negetive effect on my life! :banging:


This is the beginning of the end!

Muppet13
03-18-2009, 05:23 PM
I agree!

Texasteel
03-18-2009, 05:34 PM
I've heard that he plans on putting coin slots on the toilets as well. (Sarcasm Smiley, maybe)

This kind of trash is why we need to give the house and the senate back to the conservatives as soon as possible.

steelreserve
03-18-2009, 05:34 PM
I don't get it. One minute they're talking about free health care for everyone funded by the government. Then they do things like this so the government doesn't pay for health care. It's like, which one is it supposed to be?

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 05:55 PM
IMPROVE VA MEDICAL CARE

Fully Fund VA Medical Care

As president, Barack Obama will fully fund the VA so it has all
the resources it needs to serve the veterans who need it, when
they need it. The current administration did not adequately
plan for the true costs of this war. It has consistently underinvested
in healthcare for our heroic veterans. Without assured
funding year after year, our veterans are forced to make do
with the VA they have rather than the VA they deserve.

http://obama.3cdn.net/4318d63a632c966be0_pq86mvri6.pdf

LIAR!

St33lersguy
03-18-2009, 05:55 PM
What a f***in hack!!! Reason #572 why I can't wait for 2013 if there is a 2013

KeiselPower99
03-18-2009, 06:29 PM
100% grade a libral bullshit right there.

HometownGal
03-18-2009, 06:58 PM
Is anyone really shocked?

I wanted to give Obama a fair shot but it seems like every day, I hear about or read about something else he is doing to screw us all in the hiney and I thank God I can proudly say that I didn't vote for him.

Our Vets should be revered and treated with the utmost dignity. I've always believed and believe now more than ever that our country doesn't do nearly enough for those who have put their lives on the line for their country. Of course - what would Obama know about what the Vets deserve - that blithering coward never put his life on the line for anyone.

What say you Libs? :scratchchin:

Texasteel
03-18-2009, 07:05 PM
Is anyone really shocked?

I wanted to give Obama a fair shot but it seems like every day, I hear about or read about something else he is doing to screw us all in the hiney and I thank God I can proudly say that I didn't vote for him.

Our Vets should be revered and treated with the utmost dignity. I've always believed and believe now more than ever that our country doesn't do nearly enough for those who have put their lives on the line for their country. Of course - what would Obama know about what the Vets deserve - that blithering coward never put his life on the line for anyone.

What say you Libs? :scratchchin:

There's a strange silence coming from the left.

SteelCityMan786
03-18-2009, 07:10 PM
This has been posted in another thread, but it deserves it's own thread. (Kudos to stillers4me for posting original link to the story)

It appears the mesiah(obuma) in his infinite audacity has determined that the men and women who served this country will no longer receive medical treatment at the VA's(governments) expense. It seems this arrogant pile of shit wants the Vets "private" insurance to pay for the treatment of thier BATTLE wounds.


WTF ?!!!? :mad:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142654.php

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/veterans_insurance.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newst ab



SO OBAMA SUPPORTERS........How can you possibly spin this bullshit? How do you sleep at night knowing you voted this POS into office? YOU OWN THIS!


THIS IS THE WORST THING ANY PRESIDENT HAS EVER PROPOSED!

I am beyond pissed! This proposal would have a very personal and negetive effect on my life! :banging:


This is the beginning of the end!





Hmmm, my job approval rating was 50% on Obama

Just dropped to 10%

HometownGal
03-18-2009, 07:13 PM
Hmmm, my job approval rating was 50% on Obama

Just dropped to 10%

What "job approval"? What really has the guy done but conjur up ways to screw us all, including the Helen Kellers who voted him into office?

hindes204
03-18-2009, 07:14 PM
I am so utterly disappointed, I'm not even sure where to start. I find myself at a loss for words...i feel betrayed, as i type i get angrier and angrier

Steelman16
03-18-2009, 07:17 PM
Is he seriously trying to cause a rebellion or a revolt? :doh:

Texasteel
03-18-2009, 07:19 PM
I think the only hope we have is that his own party will start to say, " Oh my God what have we done." and we will have a 4 year stalemate.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 07:32 PM
I don't get it. One minute they're talking about free health care for everyone funded by the government....

Free healthcare for everyone in this country who is here illegally and others who are simply "allergic to work," maybe. :coffee:

stillers4me
03-18-2009, 07:55 PM
Have you noticed the mainstream media is not going anywhere near this story?

I pray to God he doesn't slip this through while the media is covering his ass.

SteelCityMan786
03-18-2009, 07:55 PM
What "job approval"? What really has the guy done but conjur up ways to screw us all, including the Helen Kellers who voted him into office?

Opps did I say approval, I meant Disapproval. which actually is about 90%. The other 10 is just a bunch of hot gas waiting to be filled with more failure.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 08:00 PM
im one who believes our veterans should receive special treatment such as a free college education, medical coverage for life, medical coverage for their college student kids. etc...

but why pay twice for the same thing?

i work federal govt. contracts. ALL workers receive "health and welfare" as part of their pay that the employer (or union) uses for health care or it is paid to them in cash and taxed as income.

50% of my employees lose 3 bucks an hour that used to be paid to them in cash for private insurance that they dont even use because they are military retiree's, dependants, or go to the VA.

the govt is paying twice, for the same amount of coverage for a single person.

whats the point of that?

the other alternative is take away the "health and welfare" benefits from ex-military who are already covered, but that wouldnt be "fair", now would it?

why should the insurance companies profit from coverage they know they will never have to provide?



Have you noticed the mainstream media is not going anywhere near this story?

I pray to God he doesn't slip this through while the media is covering his ass.


probably because its just spin from the "obama is evil" faction. :noidea:

stillers4me
03-18-2009, 08:07 PM
probably because its just spin from the "obama is evil" faction.

Maybe it would be wise to actually click on the links and read the facts before you even try to justify this bullshit.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 08:09 PM
i work federal govt. contracts. ALL workers receive "health and welfare" as part of their pay that the employer (or union) uses for health care or it is paid to them in cash and taxed as income.

50% of my employees lose 3 bucks an hour that used to be paid to them in cash for private insurance that they dont even use because they are military retiree's, dependants, or go to the VA.

the govt is paying twice, for the same amount of coverage for a single person.

whats the point of that?

the other alternative is take away the "health and welfare" benefits from ex-military who are already covered, but that wouldnt be "fair", now would it?

why should the insurance companies profit from coverage they know they will never have to provide?

That's cool. I'm assuming you have private health insurance. We'll see what you have to say if this policy goes into effect and EVERYONE'S health premiums go up (even more than they already are) as a result of private insurers having to pick up the tab that the VA rightfully should be picking up for military service-related healthcare.

probably because its just spin from the "obama is evil" faction. :noidea:

medicalnewstoday.com? :noidea:

steelwall
03-18-2009, 08:09 PM
:mad: I'm F'N speechless.........:mad:

devilsdancefloor
03-18-2009, 08:10 PM
im one who believes our veterans should receive special treatment such as a free college education, medical coverage for life, medical coverage for their college student kids. etc...

but why pay twice for the same thing?

i work federal govt. contracts. ALL workers receive "health and welfare" as part of their pay that the employer (or union) uses for health care or it is paid to them in cash and taxed as income.

50% of my employees lose 3 bucks an hour that used to be paid to them in cash for private insurance that they dont even use because they are military retiree's, dependants, or go to the VA.

the govt is paying twice, for the same amount of coverage for a single person.

whats the point of that?

the other alternative is take away the "health and welfare" benefits from ex-military who are already covered, but that wouldnt be "fair", now would it?

why should the insurance companies profit from coverage they know they will never have to provide?



probably because its just spin from the "obama is evil" faction. :noidea:


ya that vast right wing conspiracy :jerkit:

wanna save money then i say wwe get rid of some of the war on freaking poverty! there are so many redundant programs it is sickening, but profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilter that lets take away from the guys and gals who put it on the line ever profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfiltering day!

MACH1
03-18-2009, 08:15 PM
Makes a guy wanna run out and sign up.

Texasteel
03-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Of course the Insurance Industry that the Democrats have labeled the new axis of evil, will just gladly absorb the extra cost and make sure everyones happy and taken care of at no extra expense.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 08:32 PM
there are so many redundant programs it is sickening,

exactly. i appreciate the veterans. doesnt mean we need 5 different entities collecting casth for the cost of their medical coverage.

its either 1 or the other. not both.

steelwall
03-18-2009, 08:44 PM
im one who believes our veterans should receive special treatment such as a free college education, medical coverage for life, medical coverage for their college student kids. etc...

but why pay twice for the same thing?

i work federal govt. contracts. ALL workers receive "health and welfare" as part of their pay that the employer (or union) uses for health care or it is paid to them in cash and taxed as income.

50% of my employees lose 3 bucks an hour that used to be paid to them in cash for private insurance that they dont even use because they are military retiree's, dependants, or go to the VA.

the govt is paying twice, for the same amount of coverage for a single person.

whats the point of that?

the other alternative is take away the "health and welfare" benefits from ex-military who are already covered, but that wouldnt be "fair", now would it?

why should the insurance companies profit from coverage they know they will never have to provide?



probably because its just spin from the "obama is evil" faction. :noidea:

What you're saying may be true, but why not pass a law not allowing the private insurace company to not take that money away from 50% of your employees if they are covered due to military service? Why snach the rug out from under my feet, when I can think of a 1000 better ways for the government to save money, without looking like total Jagoffs to the men and women who protect them??

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 08:50 PM
What you're saying may be true, but why not pass a law not allowing the private insurace company to not take that money away from 50% of your employees if they are covered due to military service? Why snach the rug out from under my feet, when I can think of a 1000 better ways for the government to save money, without looking like total Jagoffs to the men and women who protect them?? :chuckle:

no... it IS true.

Of course the Insurance Industry that the Democrats have labeled the new axis of evil, will just gladly absorb the extra cost and make sure everyones happy and taken care of at no extra expense.

texasteel, care to answer this one?

like i said. its one or the other. does the VA pay automobile insurance for veterans? no.

if you are in a car accident and you are not at fault (assuming both drivers are insured) do both insurance companies pay (what amounts to double) for a single repair? no.

steelwall
03-18-2009, 08:56 PM
:chuckle:

no... it IS true.



texasteel, care to answer this one?

like i said. its one or the other. does the VA pay automobile insurance for veterans? no.

if you are in a car accident and you are not at fault (assuming both drivers are insured) do both insurance companies pay (what amounts to double) for a single repair? no.

Whatever...duh I know that. Like I said....I can think of 1000 better ways for the government to save money, pork fat must be running down the streets in D.C.

It's in poor taste Toney, and will upset alot of people.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 09:10 PM
like i said. its one or the other. does the VA pay automobile insurance for veterans? no.

I worked for the federal government myself for 13 years. In that time, I worked with a lot of military retirees. And pretty much all of them that I knew of waived coverage under FEHB (Federal Employees Health Benefits) as they were already covered by VA/CHAMPUS (now TRICARE). Not much "double-dipping" there. :noidea:

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 09:24 PM
I worked for the federal government myself for 13 years. In that time, I worked with a lot of military retirees. And pretty much all of them that I knew of waived coverage under FEHB (Federal Employees Health Benefits) as they were already covered by VA/CHAMPUS (now TRICARE). Not much "double-dipping" there. :noidea:did they voluntarily give that money back to the government or did they accept those "benefits" in the form of taxable income?

and how long ago was this? were chasing a moving target and the laws and rules are changing. plus businesses are finding it cheaper to simply shop for a bulk healthcare plan, as opposed to giving the benefits to employees in the form of cash, and allowing them to shop for themselves.

Texasteel
03-18-2009, 09:27 PM
:chuckle:

no... it IS true.



texasteel, care to answer this one?

like i said. its one or the other. does the VA pay automobile insurance for veterans? no.

if you are in a car accident and you are not at fault (assuming both drivers are insured) do both insurance companies pay (what amounts to double) for a single repair? no.


We're not talking about car insurance, life insurance, or a night out at the movies. We are talking about combat and service related injuries. Maybe you think the service personnel should pay for insurance on the tank he is driving into battle.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 09:28 PM
did they voluntarily give that money back to the government or did they accept those "benefits" in the form of taxable income?

They waived the deduction, so it was considered taxable income, of course. I fail to see why that matters, as they were still only covered by one entity as far as healthcare was concerned. Besides, I hear the president is also "open" to taxing private health benefits now too.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 09:37 PM
Whatever...duh I know that. Like I said....I can think of 1000 better ways for the government to save money, pork fat must be running down the streets in D.C.

It's in poor taste Toney, and will upset alot of people.well duh, since this thread isnt about 1000 of your ideas, what is also in poor taste is charging the american taxpayer twice for the single coverage of former military members (i love how this is being spun to just veterans who have been maimed in war).

i dont see the big deal. listening to most republicans, i would think that they would prefer their privatized health insurance as opposed to the socialistic medical care the VA provides them. :noidea:

anyways, no matter what, you cant pease everyone. its not like every veteran was rushing out there to cast a vote for mccain.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

alot of them thought what he did was in "poor taste" and upsetting too.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 09:46 PM
We are talking about combat and service related injuries. Maybe you think the service personnel should pay for insurance on the tank he is driving into battle.

spin.

we are also talking about people like my dad who put in 20 years in the air force, never saw combat, never had a work related injury, and now have medical insurance paid by Honeywell working a NASA contract. yet it is the govt who is charged for his dr. visits.

btw, with the past regime, we had insufficiently plated vehicles being destroyed by ied's and our service personnel purchasing their own body armor, while contractors like haliburton were charging their buddies in the govt 50 cents for a pack of single serve ketchup. :noidea:

steelwall
03-18-2009, 09:54 PM
i dont see the big deal. .

:blah: Spin or not, this is our fundemental disagreement since that is unlikely to change, then so be it.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 09:55 PM
spin.

we are also talking about people like my dad who put in 20 years in the air force, never saw combat, never had a work related injury, and now have medical insurance paid by Honeywell working a NASA contract. yet it is the govt who is charged for his dr. visits.

Does your dad go to a VA hospital or an Air Force base hospital for care? I'm not sure what is so wrong about that - he earned the right to do that. If the Honeywell Corporation is footing the bill for more coverage on top of that, I don't see how that is socking it to the taxpayers twice, unless they're using part of the proceeds from that contract directly to pay for that coverage, but I'm not sure how that could be verified, except by an accountant for the company. Maybe I'm missing something here. :huh:

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 09:57 PM
They waived the deduction, so it was considered taxable income, of course. I fail to see why that matters, as they were still only covered by one entity as far as healthcare was concerned. Besides, I hear the president is also "open" to taxing private health benefits now too.

thats not what this thread is about.

so they 'waived" their 2nd dose of employee provided health care (whether it be the military or the company they worked for in the private sector), and still accepted it in the form of cash.

that kind of is double dipping, just like my uninsured employees who would voluntarilly "waive" health coverage and rely on welfare or the free clinics (or worse- the emergency room and the indigent fund) to keep them healthy.

anyways the govt. has been working on putting a stop to this from both angles, long before obama was elected president.

:hunch:

again... i love how this is being spun into obama being "anti- war hero" :pity:

X-Terminator
03-18-2009, 09:58 PM
This will never see the light of day now that it's been uncovered. It's never a good idea to piss off the guys and gals who put their lives on the line so that Obama is able to push this kind of legislation through Congress.

I swear, the government seems to love taking a nice, healthy crap on military members, when they should be taken care of for life without a moment's hesitation.

steelwall
03-18-2009, 10:02 PM
btw, with the past regime, we had insufficiently plated vehicles being destroyed by ied's and our service personnel purchasing their own body armor, while contractors like haliburton were charging their buddies in the govt 50 cents for a pack of single serve ketchup. :noidea:

Now I totally agree with you here, but this proposal is not the answer to that problem.

fansince'76
03-18-2009, 10:08 PM
thats not what this thread is about.

so they 'waived" their 2nd dose of employee provided health care (whether it be the military or the company they worked for in the private sector), and still accepted it in the form of cash.

that kind of is double dipping, just like my uninsured employees who would voluntarilly "waive" health coverage and rely on welfare or the free clinics (or worse- the emergency room and the indigent fund) to keep them healthy.

anyways the govt. has been working on putting a stop to this from both angles, long before obama was elected president.

Not really, considering that by waiving the FEHB coverage, they also forfeited the amount of money the government (i.e., the taxpayer) would have paid toward the premium (around 2/3 to 3/4 of the total premium cost, depending on the plan), which directly saved the taxpayers money. It's a wash.

steelwall
03-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Also, I've had the chance to be around alot of people in my life from all walks of life. I'm sure that "double dipping" as you put it happens in some cases. But without breaking out with all types of google data I bet the number of vets who are a part of this are far outnumbered by the people in this country who simply are not paying taxes at all.

How about me for example...I wonder how many vets are out there like me? I live in China right now and of course can't pop down to the VA.... I pay for my own healthcare here even with combat related injuries that I have. I'm not dipping at all, infact saving the taxpayers money..

If anything, what I'm saying is this is a horrible PR nightmare for Obama, and many vets and civilians alike will see it as a slap in the face no matter what reason behind it. With all the pork floating around...give me a break..

Hammer Of The GODS
03-18-2009, 10:27 PM
Wow toney is here to tell us how wrong we are again.

SPIN?

Man you are a real piece of work. When I started this thread I KNEW you would come in here and talk out your ass as usual.

The fact that you would support this from ANY angle is a true testament to how you and all your fellow obumanite douchebags don't really have an effing clue!

You are just another pathetic excuse for an American. You need to have your ass kicked for trying to support this idea! It's not about your opinion on whether there is "double dipping" or not. Doesn't matter what obumas reason is for doing it, it's the wrong thing to do. Why am I wasting my time argueing with an asshat of epic proportions.

YOU DON'T DO THIS SHIT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR THIS COUNTRY!

This shit will bring upon a day where there will be no more volunteers to fight because of the shitty way previous soldiers were treated. There will be a day when punks like you will be wishing they gave the Veterans of this country the respect they deserved. Because it's the Veterans of this country who have allowed ALL of us to have the freedom that shit stains like you have abused!!!

How dare you say you support our troops! Just more :poop: from your mouth!

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 10:31 PM
screw you, "hammer head of the gourd". :rolleyes:

kiss it! :moon:

steelwall
03-18-2009, 10:32 PM
Wow toney is here to tell us how wrong we are again.

SPIN?

Man you are a real piece of work. When I started this thread I KNEW you would come in here and talk out your ass as usual.

The fact that you would support this from ANY angle is a true testament to how you and all your fellow obumanite douchebags don't really have an effing clue!

You are just another pathetic excuse for an American. You need to have your ass kicked for trying to support this idea! It's not about your opinion on whether there is "double dipping" or not. Doesn't matter what obumas reason is for doing it, it's the wrong thing to do. Why am I wasting my time argueing with an asshat of epic proportions.

YOU DON'T DO THIS SHIT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR THIS COUNTRY!

This shit will bring upon a day where there will be no more volunteers to fight because of the shitty way previous soldiers were treated. There will be a day when punks like you will be wishing they gave the Veterans of this country the respect they deserved. Because it's the Veterans of this country who have allowed ALL of us to have the freedom that shit stains like you have abused!!!

How dare you say you support our troops! Just more :poop: from your mouth!




Folks you gotta love the Marines:thumbsup:

MasterOfPuppets
03-18-2009, 10:38 PM
attack the post NOT the poster....:wave:

SteelShooter
03-18-2009, 10:55 PM
i am absolutely speechless...............first time in years, since, well, since Clinton was in office to be honest.

GBMelBlount
03-18-2009, 10:56 PM
YOU DON'T DO THIS SHIT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR THIS COUNTRY!



I agree Hammer. Thank you for your service. Thank you ALL for your service.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 11:34 PM
Does your dad go to a VA hospital or an Air Force base hospital for care? I'm not sure what is so wrong about that - he earned the right to do that. If the Honeywell Corporation is footing the bill for more coverage on top of that, I don't see how that is socking it to the taxpayers twice, unless they're using part of the proceeds from that contract directly to pay for that coverage, but I'm not sure how that could be verified, except by an accountant for the company. Maybe I'm missing something here. :huh:federal government contracts.

my dad works for honeywell who is contracted by NASA to fly their sattelites.

all federal govt contracts have a 'wage determination scale' which is much like the federal minimum wage, except it is a minimum wage for hundereds of jobs from airplane mechanics, to law clerks, to mess hall attendants. it is based on a regional cost of living, and tied in with dept of labor standards and research.

along with this "basic rate of pay" is a standard rate set aside for "health and welfare" benefits.

you could be a contracted veternarian for $25 bucks an hour or a janitor for $9 but the cost of providing "health and welfare" will still remain about the same (approx $3/ hour).

this price is built into the bidding of contracts and is non-negotiable on the governments side as it is their standards that they set and abide by.

the govt is paying for my dads air force medical coverage ALONG with the medical coverage he recieves as a federal govt contractor (this is no different from my employees who, by no means, work for a corp as large as honeywell.)

now ive reasearched this and still havent found the answer.... im not sure if it is my state or the fed govt who has said that all this fed govt cash must be spent on actual health care plans (i know the states and fed govt are getting sick of footing the bill for sick people who elect to go without medical coverage when it is alotted for them) but the bottom line is, the govt is threatenning all contractors to cut cost (directives straight from the pentagon to pay for the war) or face a slash in services paid for.

my company (whether it be a choice of their own) isnt gonna pay payroll taxes on health benefits. it simply costs jobs.

its really a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation that needs to be addressed, because the govt is being charged twice for the same service (whats new?)

the shittiest part about this all is that the federal and state govt's pretty much take care of their workers. however, the unions have pretty much tapped out every other market and fed/state jobs is like the "final frontier".

unfortunately they are digging their claws in deeper and deeper, and screwing up what used to be a good thing for everybody across the board.

Dragonrider
03-18-2009, 11:56 PM
I am a veteran and thanks to the VA will be getting a new hip on Monday. I heard this story and looked into it. It was an idea, it has also been taken off the table completely after Obama met with veterans groups. I wish people would stop spending so much time ranting and raving and do more research. Here are a couple of links showing that this is no longer an issue.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20190.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/64318.html

I am happy to hear stop loss is coming to an end. I think this is a bigger story.

tony hipchest
03-18-2009, 11:58 PM
Wow toney is here to tell us how wrong we are again.

SPIN?

Man you are a real piece of work. When I started this thread I KNEW you would come in here and talk out your ass as usual.

The fact that you would support this from ANY angle is a true testament to how you and all your fellow obumanite douchebags don't really have an effing clue!

You are just another pathetic excuse for an American. You need to have your ass kicked for trying to support this idea! It's not about your opinion on whether there is "double dipping" or not. Doesn't matter what obumas reason is for doing it, it's the wrong thing to do. Why am I wasting my time argueing with an asshat of epic proportions.
YOU DON'T DO THIS SHIT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR THIS COUNTRY!

This shit will bring upon a day where there will be no more volunteers to fight because of the shitty way previous soldiers were treated. There will be a day when punks like you will be wishing they gave the Veterans of this country the respect they deserved. Because it's the Veterans of this country who have allowed ALL of us to have the freedom that shit stains like you have abused!!!

How dare you say you support our troops! Just more :poop: from your mouth!


we had a poster here, calsteeler, who was banned for MUCH LESS diatribe and spew as this.

:popcorn:

your sense of entitlement is disgusting. :shake01: you may have earned the paycheck my tax dollars helped pay for, but that most certainly doesnt entitle you to my respect. you havent done jack shit to earn that.

you volunteered to join the military, yet you sound like the black people who wanna sue the govt for their ancestors being enslaved.

i will freeley give my respect to any enlisted veteran who was drafted and served who bitches half as much as you do. they earned that and THEY should kick your ass for acting like such a primadonna and pissing all over what they were FORCED to fight for. :wave:

you think just because you served, that i cant or wont voice my opinion and run smack on you?

think again, buddy! you live in f^#ckin america. if you can cyber piss on MY president, i can certainly cyber piss on YOU! :monkey:

tony hipchest
03-19-2009, 12:09 AM
I am a veteran and thanks to the VA will be getting a new hip on Monday. I heard this story and looked into it. It was an idea, it has also been taken off the table completely after Obama met with veterans groups. I wish people would stop spending so much time ranting and raving and do more research. Here are a couple of links showing that this is no longer an issue.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20190.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/64318.html

I am happy to hear stop loss is coming to an end. I think this is a bigger story.
exactly. people are so quick to get their panties in a knot over nothing. a few stories, and witchunters have spun this into something much greater than it is to the point where veterans with no insurance think they will have absolutely no medical treatment under an obama administration.

nowadays a writer saying "this could happen" is viewed as set in stone 10 commandment style.

the idea behind it is to cut cost on the double dipping that has been going on. i tried to leave the bullshit accusations alone because i could see through all the spin, but posters here were running rampant with it.

there is still an issue with govt. dollars being paid twice for the same coverage, and it has been in the process of being addressed for a while now. miracles dont happen overnight and im sure the fight with insurance companies and lobby's will be a battle unto itself.

steelwall
03-19-2009, 01:02 AM
exactly. people are so quick to get their panties in a knot over nothing. a few stories, and witchunters have spun this into something much greater than it is to the point where veterans with no insurance think they will have absolutely no medical treatment under an obama administration.

nowadays a writer saying "this could happen" is viewed as set in stone 10 commandment style.

the idea behind it is to cut cost on the double dipping that has been going on. i tried to leave the bullshit accusations alone because i could see through all the spin, but posters here were running rampant with it.

there is still an issue with govt. dollars being paid twice for the same coverage, and it has been in the process of being addressed for a while now. miracles dont happen overnight and im sure the fight with insurance companies and lobby's will be a battle unto itself.

I didn't see you post any of Dragonrider's links.... You were so "quick" to jump to the aid of the Obama administration it didnt matter at the time of the discussion to you either.

Now with his post you try to vindicate yourself and say you were battling all this spin,spin,spin....please...talk about spin:doh:

tony hipchest
03-19-2009, 01:12 AM
I didn't see you post any of Dragonrider's links.... why would i? it was too much fun too watch "chicken littles" like you run around and act the fool, PLUS i am not so obsessed with all the daily "news" clippings for the next 8 years (like all the others around here who have already dedicated themselves to). :noidea:

i was already having a rather intelligent converstation on the topic with fansince that didnt need no "links".

a conversation you were naive enough to question as reality. :noidea:

You were so "quick" to jump to the aid of the Obama administration it didnt matter at the time of the discussion to you either.

:

and here is more of your typical bullshit and spew. this story has been floating around for several days. it wasnt even worth for me to address until the resident board super commando (who you practically worship) decided to make it into an uber issue and demand that every single person who voted for obam, stand up and be accountable.

complete bullshit on both of your parts. but i guess you guys are able to spew unquestioned bull thanks to the job you VOLUNTEERED for, right?

i dont bow down to anybody and most certainly aint about to do it to some cyber soldier of fortune internet tuff guys.

next. :tt:

steelwall
03-19-2009, 04:11 AM
why would i? it was too much fun too watch "chicken littles" like you run around and act the fool, PLUS i am not so obsessed with all the daily "news" clippings for the next 8 years (like all the others around here who have already dedicated themselves to). :noidea: :

Yeah....um...ok..I believe you:coffee:

i was already having a rather intelligent converstation on the topic with fansince that didnt need no "links".

a conversation you were naive enough to question as reality. :noidea::

You lost me on the reality bit, maybe I'm just a dumb republican sheeple..... But did not share my own reality pertaining to this exact situation, which I dare say VA matters, I may know more than you about?



and here is more of your typical bullshit and spew. this story has been floating around for several days. it wasnt even worth for me to address until the resident board super commando (who you practically worship) decided to make it into an uber issue and demand that every single person who voted for obam, stand up and be accountable.

complete bullshit on both of your parts. but i guess you guys are able to spew unquestioned bull thanks to the job you VOLUNTEERED for, right?

i dont bow down to anybody and most certainly aint about to do it to some cyber soldier of fortune internet tuff guys.

next. :tt:

Never asked you to bow down, never complained about my service, I only worship one God, and I'm fully aware I volunteered, never claimed to be an internet tuff guy, my combat record speaks for itself, what kind of record do you have? You act like because we "volunteered that makes us less of a respectable soldier:doh: does it not mean that the men and women who volunteered during war time are at very least brave? That arguement you put forth about respecting those that were drafted are more fitting of respect is horseshit.

You are slap full of B.S. and you don't realize it, but you are in your own right a master of deflection. Yell spin, yell kool aid for all I care, 95% of the people on this board know what you are about....ahemmmm ....Obama.. and his salvation of America, which should go unquestioned at all costs. All the while you question republican policies....

Have I not said on numerous occasions I hope Obama has great success? You are the only one making a fool of himself, you accuse others of spin, spin, all day but you constantly enter these threads with the "Obama does no wrong" retoric. You aint foolin me Toney.

steelwall
03-19-2009, 04:24 AM
Sorry one more thing......Your spin shyte is getting old. Anyone that does not agree with you is somehow a Bill O'reily spin wizard kool aid drinker. The only spinning I see on my laptop is everytime I read one of your posts. At times you actually make it hard to comprehend just exactly what you are pissing and moaning about.......

I critized Bush on some issues, let me ask you this. Can you point me to some link were you criticized Obama?

As with alot of liberals you think you automaticly have a higher IQ then everyone else. Wanna talk about the real world? Well that shit don't fly in my world pal...

Texasteel
03-19-2009, 05:57 AM
spin.

we are also talking about people like my dad who put in 20 years in the air force, never saw combat, never had a work related injury, and now have medical insurance paid by Honeywell working a NASA contract. yet it is the govt who is charged for his dr. visits.

btw, with the past regime, we had insufficiently plated vehicles being destroyed by ied's and our service personnel purchasing their own body armor, while contractors like haliburton were charging their buddies in the govt 50 cents for a pack of single serve ketchup. :noidea:

If it's a spin, it's your spin, you brought it up, and try to stay on topic.

It has be my understanding, and it was stated in the article that non combat and service related treatment is already being charged to the insurance carriers, so again we are only talking about injuries that are caused by the fact that they are in the armed service. If these are past on to the insurance carriers it will raise premiums for both the veteran and everyone else. Thats the way business works.


Just read the article above that came out after this discussion was started, about the President backtracking on his original plan. I am very happy that he regained his senses on this position. It does not change the fact that the original plan was indeed morally wrong. IMO

X-Terminator
03-19-2009, 08:16 AM
This will never see the light of day now that it's been uncovered. It's never a good idea to piss off the guys and gals who put their lives on the line so that Obama is able to push this kind of legislation through Congress.

Told ya.

Dino 6 Rings
03-19-2009, 08:37 AM
exactly. people are so quick to get their panties in a knot over nothing. a few stories, and witchunters have spun this into something much greater than it is to the point where veterans with no insurance think they will have absolutely no medical treatment under an obama administration.

nowadays a writer saying "this could happen" is viewed as set in stone 10 commandment style.

the idea behind it is to cut cost on the double dipping that has been going on. i tried to leave the bullshit accusations alone because i could see through all the spin, but posters here were running rampant with it.

there is still an issue with govt. dollars being paid twice for the same coverage, and it has been in the process of being addressed for a while now. miracles dont happen overnight and im sure the fight with insurance companies and lobby's will be a battle unto itself.

Time out. The proposal was reversed on Wednesday, that's after 2 days of the "Right wing conspiracy" Veteran Blogs, VA Organizations, Phone Calls to Congressmen, outrage on the Talk Radio Circuit, Call ins By Vets on all the Shows condemming this proposal with outrage and anger. Had no one picked up on it, or brought it up to the public on Talk Radio, like Michael Savage, Laura Ingram, Rush, Hannity, it wouldn't have been "dropped". Lets not pretend that there wasn't a HUGE instant Backlash against the White House on this idea. Lets not Pretend that B.O. all of sudden saw "Reason" and decided it was a bad idea. The Veteran groups and their Allies attacked this issue Head On and made him see that he was WRONG in even bringing this up.

The fact that B.O. even thought, that doing this was a good idea is what I find most, revealing about the Guy.

St33lersguy
03-19-2009, 08:50 AM
It is absolutely amazing how this pile of absolute trash is completely ruining our country. This arrogant piece of crap has to be the stupidest brainless piece of crap to so much as take a step in the white house let alone live there.
Obama =:poop:.

stlrtruck
03-19-2009, 09:13 AM
There's a few things about this entire thread that just slay me:

1) We all know that politicians (doesn't matter what party affiliation) lie during their campaign trails. And yet we are totally shocked and amazed when they do things they "promised" they would or wouldn't do!

2) American soldiers (voluntarily and some unvoluntarily) sacrificed life, limb, or family to protect America and those who live in it and those people deserve our utmost respect.

3) The freedoms that were protected in #2 allow for differences of opinion - even in government policy. How many "Hippies" spit on the American Soldier upon their return from Vietnam? Those differences of opinions also need to be respected, otherwise you are no better than the hippies who spit on the soldier - it's just a reversal of action!

4) We are all brothers and sisters and while we all have a common interest in the Steelers we are still going to disagree on other things that take up the majority of our life. There is no need to disrespect the person or their opinions. You can act like an adult or you can act like a child - but your post is going to show your true colors.

Ok, I'll get off my soap box. I hope this thread can go back to some good conversation without the adolescent diatribes (sp - and did I use that correctly?)

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT
GOD BLESS OUR COUNTRY

And I thank God that this idea was reversed and pray that it never again shows it's ugly head in any form of legislation. I do believe that our soldiers do need to receive free medical attention for the services they provided to one and all who call themselves an American!

revefsreleets
03-19-2009, 09:55 AM
Where is this heading?

Let's put it this way. If the armed forces end up having to get private insurance, what do you think their premiums will be? What does an actuarial chart have to say about soldiers in war?

This is kind of a moot point anyway. Obama will NEVER get this through. The backlash is already immense...

Indo
03-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Is he seriously trying to cause a rebellion or a revolt? :doh:

He is going to have a Civil War or a New Revolution on his hand if he isn't careful...

even Thomas Jefferson said that there should be a Revolution every 20 years-----it may be about time

xfl2001fan
03-19-2009, 12:47 PM
He is going to have a Civil War or a New Revolution on his hand if he isn't careful...

even Thomas Jefferson said that there should be a Revolution every 20 years-----it may be about time

That's a bit of a reach. There are very few people willing to cross the line into a Civil War/New Revolution. Most of those with the brass to do it are too old to fight the fight themselves...and their kids are too busy playing Call of Duty on their Xbox.

Even if there was, most of our military will side with BO, whether we agree with him or not...and that would lead to a lot of wholesale slaughter on the oppositions part.

Civil Wars and Revolutions occur only when things are entirely too damaging...and I don't believe that the current administration (Congressional and Presidential) is so bad as to lead/force us down that path.

So, please, join us back here on Earth. Kick off your shoes and stay awhile.

Dino 6 Rings
03-19-2009, 12:53 PM
Call of Duty would actually be a good training module for fighting...right?

Chuck Norris says that there are already armed groups ready for the Revolt. No matter what happens, I think I'll side with Chuck, cause he's that bad arse!

xfl2001fan
03-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Call of Duty would actually be a good training module for fighting...right?

Chuck Norris says that there are already armed groups ready for the Revolt. No matter what happens, I think I'll side with Chuck, cause he's that bad arse!

CoD is a great training module! It's almost like having real bullets zing by your head...and if a bullet fires into the dirt where you are looking, you acutally need to wipe your eyes to clear the crap out. :flap:

I have no doubt that there are several armed groups ready for a Revolt. Most of them are old guys (and their young brainwashed kids) who pose minimal threat in the grand scheme of things. I've seen "The Hills Have Eyes"...I'm aware of what these groups are capable of if you stumble on them unexpected like.

The only thing that frightens me about his revolt is that he might roundhouse kick the bullets back at me. The concussion from his foot breaking the sound barrier alone is devastating to most ground troops...as we'll need special Kevlar in order to avoid having our heart stopped upon impact.

tony hipchest
03-19-2009, 01:38 PM
Never asked you to bow down, never complained about my service, I only worship one God, and I'm fully aware I volunteered, never claimed to be an internet tuff guy, my combat record speaks for itself, what kind of record do you have? You act like because we "volunteered that makes us less of a respectable soldier:doh: does it not mean that the men and women who volunteered during war time are at very least brave? That arguement you put forth about respecting those that were drafted are more fitting of respect is horseshit.

You are slap full of B.S. and you don't realize it, but you are in your own right a master of deflection. .we??? do you got a mouse in your pocket or are you and HOTdoG connected at the hip?

this is the horseshit portion of the conversation where you completely misrepresent and distort my post and then run off to a seperate social forum and whine that i make disrespectful remarks about the military and am trying to get under your skin.

here is EXACTLY what i said to hammer- not to YOU or anyone else who served.

your sense of entitlement is disgusting. you may have earned the paycheck my tax dollars helped pay for, but that most certainly doesnt entitle you to my respect. you havent done jack shit to earn that.

you volunteered to join the military, yet you sound like the black people who wanna sue the govt for their ancestors being enslaved.

i will freeley give my respect to any enlisted veteran who was drafted and served who bitches half as much as you do.

maybe you should quit internalizing everything i say. how the hell do you get out of that, that i dont respect volunteers or think they are brave.

i will type slowly and hopefully make this crystal clear for you... i respect anyones service. i respect the time HOTG put in, and the job he did, as well as you or anyone else.

but i sure as hell dont respect him as a person. he hasnt earned that, yet automatically expects it. i think he acts like a hot headed blowhard who sits atop a pedestal of entitlement, and his recent posts to preacher and myself prove that.

ShutDown24
03-19-2009, 01:40 PM
What a joke this decision is.

The sad part is no one is even defending this. Everyone except the hopelessly blinded liberals who wouldn't say a negative thing about President Obama are just pretending the story isn't here. What happened to all of the Obama supporters who were swarming these boards not a month ago? Iím interested to hear their take but there isn't a single one left with any kind of logical brain for politics. The few who are still here fighting for him on this issue aren't relevant due to their obvious Democratic worship.

I can honestly say I'm really disappointed in the decision he made outlined in the articles. Hopefully President Obama can make some better choices in the coming days! It seems like every time he gets a +1 from me, the President has to turn around and do something which causes a -5. I'm really hoping that changes.

tony hipchest
03-19-2009, 01:48 PM
What a joke this decision is.

The sad part is no one is even defending this. Everyone except the hopelessly blinded liberals who wouldn't say a negative thing about President Obama are just pretending the story isn't here. What happened to all of the Obama supporters who were swarming these boards not a month ago? Iím interested to hear their take but there isn't a single one left with any kind of logical brain for politics. The few who are still here fighting for him on this issue aren't relevant due to their obvious Democratic worship.

I can honestly say I'm really disappointed in the decision he made outlined in the articles. Hopefully President Obama can make some better choices in the coming days! It seems like every time he gets a +1 from me, the President has to turn around and do something which causes a -5. I'm really hoping that changes.what "decision"?

actually dont even bother answering that. enjoy your lunch.

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X-Terminator
03-19-2009, 01:59 PM
What a joke this decision is.

The sad part is no one is even defending this. Everyone except the hopelessly blinded liberals who wouldn't say a negative thing about President Obama are just pretending the story isn't here. What happened to all of the Obama supporters who were swarming these boards not a month ago? Iím interested to hear their take but there isn't a single one left with any kind of logical brain for politics. The few who are still here fighting for him on this issue aren't relevant due to their obvious Democratic worship.

I can honestly say I'm really disappointed in the decision he made outlined in the articles. Hopefully President Obama can make some better choices in the coming days! It seems like every time he gets a +1 from me, the President has to turn around and do something which causes a -5. I'm really hoping that changes.

He's taken it off the table, dude. Links have been posted pointing that out.

/THREAD

fansince'76
03-19-2009, 02:10 PM
He's taken it off the table, dude. Links have been posted pointing that out.

/THREAD

Think that's a good idea at this point.