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nojobny
03-26-2009, 08:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4017382

Officer delayed Moats as relative died
Associated Press

DALLAS -- A police officer was placed on administrative leave Thursday over a traffic stop involving an NFL player whom he kept in a hospital parking lot and threatened to arrest while his mother-in-law died inside the building.

Officer Robert Powell also drew his gun during the March 18 incident involving Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats in the Dallas suburb of Plano, police said.

"I can screw you over," he said at one point in the videotaped incident. When another officer came with word that Moats' mother-in-law was indeed dying, Powell's response was: "All right. I'm almost done."

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

"When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed," Kunkle said. "It's hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate."

Powell, 25, a three-year member of the force, stopped Moats' SUV outside Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano after Moats rolled through a red light.

Police officials said Powell told his commanders he believed he was doing his job, and that he drew his gun but did not point it. Kunkle said Powell was not necessarily acting improperly when he pulled his weapon out, but that once he realized what was happening should have put the gun back, apologized and offered to help the family in any way.

"His behavior, in my opinion, did not exhibit the common sense, the discretion, the compassion that we expect our officers to exhibit," Kunkle said.

Moats' wife, who was in the car along with other relatives, said Powell pointed his weapon at her.


"He was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car," Tamishia Moats told The Dallas Morning News.

The Moats family did not immediately return messages left by The Associated Press. Powell did not respond to requests for comment through the Dallas police union.

Video from a dashboard camera inside the officer's vehicle, obtained by Dallas-Fort Worth station WFAA-TV, revealed an intense exchange in which the officer threatened to jail Moats.

He ordered Tamishia Moats, 27, to get back in the SUV, but after pausing for a few seconds, she and another woman rushed into the hospital. She was by the side of her mother, 45-year-old Jonetta Collinsworth, when she died a short time later from breast cancer.

"Get in there," said Powell, yelling at Tamishia Moats as she exited the vehicle. "Let me see your hands!"

"Excuse me, my mom is dying," Tamishia Moats said. "Do you understand?"

Ryan Moats explained that he waited until there was no traffic before proceeding through the red light. When Powell asked for proof of insurance, Moats grew more agitated and told the officer to go find it.

"My mother-in-law is dying! Right now! You're wasting my time!" Moats yelled. "I don't understand why you can't understand that."

As they argued, the officer got irritated.

"Shut your mouth," the officer said. "You can either settle down and cooperate or I can just take you to jail for running a red light."

By the time the 26-year-old NFL player received a ticket and a lecture from Powell, about 13 minutes had passed. When he and Collinsworth's father entered the hospital, they learned Collinsworth was dead.

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife "exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer."

"At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration," Kunkle said. "He handled himself very, very well."

The Moats family, who are black, said they can't help but think that race might have played a part in the white officer's behavior.

"I think he should lose his job," Ryan Moats said.

When the exchange was at its most contentious, Powell said he could tow Moats' SUV if he didn't have insurance and that he could arrest him for fleeing because he didn't immediately stop when Powell turned on his sirens. The pursuit lasted a little more than a minute.

"I can screw you over," Powell said. "I'd rather not do that. Your attitude will dictate everything that happens."

The ticket issued to Moats was dismissed, Dallas police spokesman Lt. Andy Harvey said.

Texans spokesman Kevin Cooper said the team had no comment.

Moats, a third-round draft choice of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2005 out of Louisiana Tech, was cut by the Eagles in August and later signed with the Texans. In three seasons as a backup, he's rushed for 441 yards and scored four touchdowns.

He was a standout at Bishop Lynch High School, a private school in Dallas, rushing for more than 2,600 yards and 33 touchdowns as a senior.

Sharkissle29
03-26-2009, 09:10 PM
i watched the video on this, officer should be fired.

RoethlisBURGHer
03-26-2009, 09:12 PM
I watched the video and I feel this officer needs to be relieved of all duties. He's not fit to be a security guard at Wal-Mart, much less a police officer.

All that was needed was a ticket to be written. When he realized he was not in any physical danger, he should have holstered his weapon, instead he kept it drawn.

When it was confirmed that Moats' M-I-L was indeed dying, he should have let Moats go and be with his family. Instead, he kept berating him.

Also, these two quotes disturb me the most:

"I could take you to jail for running a red light."

I don't know Dallas or Texas law, but I have never heard of a traffic violation being a reason to put someone in jail.

"By law, your attitude sucks."

I don't live in Texas, but I am pretty sure there are no laws against bad attitudes.

He is obviously not out to protect and serve, but to harass and intimidate.

NJarhead
03-26-2009, 09:17 PM
i watched the video on this, officer should be fired.

..and never given a postion of power again. :mad:

XxKnightxX
03-26-2009, 10:08 PM
Sounds like your prototype officer with no confidence in himself and needs to use the law as a power trip. I love it when I hear cops in Jersey saying they can arrest you for the dumbest things, My condolences to the Moats and Collinsworth family, and that douchebag of a cop should know when to realize hes in no danger and just let people do what they have. Moats acted politely and didnt even pull out his NFL player card, if the cops were to be in the same situation, he would of pulled out his badge immediately to get out of the ticket or to stop wasting time.

Edit: I got to see the whole tape, and man this cop was being an arrogant prick. Right off the bat hes threatening the woman to get back in the car, in and Emergency room man? wheres your common sense of judgement. And I love how the fact that when he got plastered in his face that the family needed to be present for resuscitation purposes, otherwise known as a DNR, the cop started gettin quietter and when he tried to go give the "lecture" talk to Moats, Moats tried to speak his side out and the cop just kept interrupting him, yeah buddy your on tape, so it figures.

If I were a cop, and he said my mother in law is dying, I would gently escort them to the area as proof, and then if the guy wasnt lying, you can settle out your differences and why the traffic stop was made in the first place.

stlrtruck
03-27-2009, 01:59 AM
I just feel bad for the family. To miss out on the mother's last few minutes of life because some jack ass can't understand that she was dying!!!!

Galax Steeler
03-27-2009, 04:03 AM
I could have understood if he had put someones life in danger,but he just came to the red light and stopped then proceeded through.There was no reason for this cop to act like he did and should be fired.

Preacher
03-27-2009, 04:08 AM
You know, I feel bad for cops, for all the stuff they have to deal with.

However, it seems in this case, the officer was too involved in tunnel vision. It is a shame, and means that he is probably lacking in judgement. THat is not a good thing for a policeman. Should he be fired? Maybe not. But never again allowed to be on the streets and carry a gun? absolutely.

There are always desk jobs and caretakers that are needed.... he needs to be put in one of those jobs, and not promoted out of it.

Edman
03-27-2009, 10:04 AM
Just another power-drunk cop flexing his muscles. Unfortunately, someone managed to die because of it.

tyler289
03-27-2009, 10:10 AM
Just another power-drunk cop flexing his muscles. Unfortunately, someone managed to die because of it.

Woah, woah, woah. It's not like the cop shot anyone or because of the situation someone died. The mother-in-law was going to die and the cop held them up, preventing them from spending precious last moments with the mother.

It's a messed up situation and I feel for Moats, but its not like the cop caused anyone to die.

Sharkissle29
03-27-2009, 10:23 AM
It's humorous to hear the cop now is on dispatch pending further investigation. now im not a cop so i wouldnt know, but i'd have to think that is a pretty embarrassing and degrading punishment for a police officer. good for him

Sharkissle29
03-27-2009, 10:41 AM
It's humorous to hear the cop now is on dispatch pending further investigation. now im not a cop so i wouldnt know, but i'd have to think that is a pretty embarrassing and degrading punishment for a police officer. good for him

ESPN reports he is on leave now, dont know where i read he was on dispatch....

XxKnightxX
03-27-2009, 11:08 AM
ESPN reports he is on leave now, dont know where i read he was on dispatch....

Hes definitely headed to the dispatch desk if he doesnt get fired, in which I dont think he will, the guy didnt beat anyone or shoot someone, but he did pull out his firearm for no apparent reason, he threatened Moats especially with that " I can screw you over quote" which was beyond retarted to even say that, and lets face the music guys, White cop pulls over poor African American who did nothing and cops threatens him, haha im surprised Jesse Jackson or the attention profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilter in disguise Rev Al Sharpton is there holding rallies.

So I say he faces a suspension, then does about 5 to 8 months desk work with minimal pay.

Because lets face it, Imagine if its Convict Jones in that car instead of Ryan Moats, no one in this blue hell would believe him.

Indo
03-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Woah, woah, woah. It's not like the cop shot anyone or because of the situation someone died. The mother-in-law was going to die and the cop held them up, preventing them from spending precious last moments with the mother.

It's a messed up situation and I feel for Moats, but its not like the cop caused anyone to die.


"TO PROTECT AND SERVE"

not "TO THREATEN AND HARASS"

He showed an incredible lack of judgment:

--he unholstered his weapon and aimed it at people in a hospital parking lot who were screaming at him that their mother/wife/etc was dying

--he was told repeatedly that she was dying and that they needed to get upstairs

--the hospital nurses came out and requested of the officer that he let Moats go as he was needed by the physicians

--he continued on his power trip by wasting even more valuable time by listing all of the things he could do to Moats

Even at the end of the video (which I'm guessing you have not yet watched) he said, "We will be done in a minute"


The officer showed no compassion, no understanding ( or even any attempt to understand what was happening), and no judgment


NO---he did not cause her to die----but he did prevent Moats AND the woman's HUSBAND from saying Goodbye. All because he ran a red light.
The officer continued to waste time....which is just pathetic
His actions suggest that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing AFTER 2 or 3 hospital personnel came out to try to get the officer to let him go and see his mother-in-law before she died...

He is a pathetic excuse for someone who has sworn to Protect and Serve
He has no clue what Service is
He needs to be relieved of all duty and fired from the Police force. No amount of "Sensitivity Training" can fix this asshole's testosterone rush

Sharkissle29
03-27-2009, 11:38 AM
Sounds like your prototype officer with no confidence in himself and needs to use the law as a power trip. I love it when I hear cops in Jersey saying they can arrest you for the dumbest things, My condolences to the Moats and Collinsworth family, and that douchebag of a cop should know when to realize hes in no danger and just let people do what they have. Moats acted politely and didnt even pull out his NFL player card, if the cops were to be in the same situation, he would of pulled out his badge immediately to get out of the ticket or to stop wasting time.

Edit: I got to see the whole tape, and man this cop was being an arrogant prick. Right off the bat hes threatening the woman to get back in the car, in and Emergency room man? wheres your common sense of judgement. And I love how the fact that when he got plastered in his face that the family needed to be present for resuscitation purposes, otherwise known as a DNR, the cop started gettin quietter and when he tried to go give the "lecture" talk to Moats, Moats tried to speak his side out and the cop just kept interrupting him, yeah buddy your on tape, so it figures.

If I were a cop, and he said my mother in law is dying, I would gently escort them to the area as proof, and then if the guy wasnt lying, you can settle out your differences and why the traffic stop was made in the first place.

you would think any cop would act this way just to make sure they are legitimate. and if they prove to be (like this situation), let them slide. unfortunately, most cops enjoy the power too much and are in the job for the wrong reasons

steelreserve
03-27-2009, 01:25 PM
Yeah, you get some cops who really are in the profession to do the right thing and help people. Then you've got others who get off on throwing their weight around because that's sort of the highest level of authority that was within their reach. Guess which ones are the asshole cops?

stlrtruck
03-27-2009, 01:27 PM
The cop sounds like he just watched a days worth of the show COPS before he pulled Moats over.

devilsdancefloor
03-27-2009, 07:24 PM
This officer had his head in his rear! Espeically when the other officer said badicaly let him go upstairs his answer was i'll be donein a minute bah! thsi doesnt need to be investagated poassed the dashcam! he needs to fired plain and simple. Because he was on a huge power trip he told moats his attitude sucked well i am here to say that this officers attitude sucked so bad he needs to be on the unempoyment line. Cops like this give all the good cops a bad rep.
My prayers will go out to moats and his family for sure!

Give It To Abercrombie
03-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Two thoughts.

1) This man who happens to be a police officer is a bag of #$%^. I support the police unabashedly. I respect and can't begin to imagine what they have to endure daily. This is not an indictment on them as a whole. As a man, this guy is trash.

2) Ryan Moats deserves so so so much credit. How many of us would have stayed as cool as he did? He showed the class that the officer lacked. He has my condolences and my respect.

tyler289
03-27-2009, 08:24 PM
"TO PROTECT AND SERVE"

not "TO THREATEN AND HARASS"

He showed an incredible lack of judgment:

--he unholstered his weapon and aimed it at people in a hospital parking lot who were screaming at him that their mother/wife/etc was dying

--he was told repeatedly that she was dying and that they needed to get upstairs

--the hospital nurses came out and requested of the officer that he let Moats go as he was needed by the physicians

--he continued on his power trip by wasting even more valuable time by listing all of the things he could do to Moats

Even at the end of the video (which I'm guessing you have not yet watched) he said, "We will be done in a minute"


The officer showed no compassion, no understanding ( or even any attempt to understand what was happening), and no judgment


NO---he did not cause her to die----but he did prevent Moats AND the woman's HUSBAND from saying Goodbye. All because he ran a red light.
The officer continued to waste time....which is just pathetic
His actions suggest that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing AFTER 2 or 3 hospital personnel came out to try to get the officer to let him go and see his mother-in-law before she died...

He is a pathetic excuse for someone who has sworn to Protect and Serve
He has no clue what Service is
He needs to be relieved of all duty and fired from the Police force. No amount of "Sensitivity Training" can fix this asshole's testosterone rush

Geez. Relax. I'm on your side.

T&B fan
03-27-2009, 09:51 PM
Two thoughts.

1) This man who happens to be a police officer is a bag of #$%^. I support the police unabashedly. I respect and can't begin to imagine what they have to endure daily. This is not an indictment on them as a whole. As a man, this guy is trash.

2) Ryan Moats deserves so so so much credit. How many of us would have stayed as cool as he did? He showed the class that the officer lacked. He has my condolences and my respect.

and good thing he did or there would have been a shoting ..

Yeah, you get some cops who really are in the profession to do the right thing and help people. Then you've got others who get off on throwing their weight around because that's sort of the highest level of authority that was within their reach. Guess which ones are the asshole cops?

its all about the power

I saw the video at the gym and pissed me right off. There needs to be zero tolerance for this kind of shit. It's not like he was cruisin' the crack neighborhoods and came up with that story when he got pulled over. The part that really made me mad was 'I can screw you over', 'your attitude sucks', 'I can take you to jail'. Under no circumstance should a cop threaten to abuse his power and make something more then what it is.

Not to make this about me, but one time I was gettin gas and a cop was cruisin the parking lot slowly. he didn't say a word to me. Then when I was ready to pull out, half way between to lanes on a friday night in a black car, he hits his lights. I pull back in the parking lot so I don't get slammed into my a drunk who doesn't see my car, and he comes FLYING in behind me, draws his gun at me SCREAMING 'GET OUT! GET THE FEK OUT OF THE CAR RIGHT NOW!'. After he knocks me into the back of my car a few times, and 30min later I found out the reason he 'pulled me over'. My tags expired the month before. I thought looking down the barrel of his .45 glock was a bit extreme for tags.

Like is was said before, there are good cops who want to help people, and there are cops who love the power trip. There are far too many good cops out there to tolerate the bad ones.

most states you need to be off privet property . with that said the rest of it is bull .. when can we get a TV show ( cops out of control ) .


and hes on Paid leave .. and its a good thing it was taped , cuse we all know Cops never lie ...

SteelersinCA
03-27-2009, 11:39 PM
Man, this is why cops stop using video, it proves they are classless lying sacks of shit. Paid leave? How about unpaid leave? Why is it that cops get away with breaking the law/abusing power all the time and nothing ever happens to them?

Does it really take a MENSA admission to think that someone speeding into a HOSPITAL PARKING LOT has a pretty damned good reason to be doing so???

Preacher
03-28-2009, 04:58 AM
Man, this is why cops stop using video, it proves they are classless lying sacks of shit. Paid leave? How about unpaid leave? Why is it that cops get away with breaking the law/abusing power all the time and nothing ever happens to them?

Does it really take a MENSA admission to think that someone speeding into a HOSPITAL PARKING LOT has a pretty damned good reason to be doing so???


Guess so, because it only takes a couple times for a whole city to realize that if a cop is about to pull you over for speeding or running a red light. . . just hit the gas and go to a hospital. Cops should just leave you alone then right? ? ?

What the cop did was wrong. But I think you may be a little biased here as well.

steelwall
03-28-2009, 05:49 AM
I saw the video at the gym and pissed me right off. There needs to be zero tolerance for this kind of shit. It's not like he was cruisin' the crack neighborhoods and came up with that story when he got pulled over. The part that really made me mad was 'I can screw you over', 'your attitude sucks', 'I can take you to jail'. Under no circumstance should a cop threaten to abuse his power and make something more then what it is.

Not to make this about me, but one time I was gettin gas and a cop was cruisin the parking lot slowly. he didn't say a word to me. Then when I was ready to pull out, half way between to lanes on a friday night in a black car, he hits his lights. I pull back in the parking lot so I don't get slammed into my a drunk who doesn't see my car, and he comes FLYING in behind me, draws his gun at me SCREAMING 'GET OUT! GET THE FEK OUT OF THE CAR RIGHT NOW!'. After he knocks me into the back of my car a few times, and 30min later I found out the reason he 'pulled me over'. My tags expired the month before. I thought looking down the barrel of his .45 glock was a bit extreme for tags.

Like is was said before, there are good cops who want to help people, and there are cops who love the power trip. There are far too many good cops out there to tolerate the bad ones.

Don't know what state you live in but in N.C. they can only pull you over if your tag sticker is 2 months or more out of date. I might would check into that if I where you in the state you live in. If it had happened in NC then his reason for pulling you over in the first place was bogus, and I'd be after his freakin job.


As to the thread.... IMO this cop should be S-canned, he showed EXTREMLY poor judgement. Cops have a job to do and I understand that, but they are people too, and should act like a civilized person with at least a hint of compassion. Some of them certainly have a "god" complex.

Edman
03-28-2009, 06:35 AM
Even if the Mother-in-law was going to die, that was no excuse for the Officer to flex his muscles like a hardass.

There are truly selfless, caring cops who have common sense and put people's lives above themselves. This jackass isn't one of them. He could obviously see the woman was dying and they were trying to get her to the damn hospital. Nope. Gotta go on a power trip. Show off my gun and big shiny badge.

HometownGal
03-28-2009, 07:53 AM
"TO PROTECT AND SERVE"

not "TO THREATEN AND HARASS"

He showed an incredible lack of judgment:

--he unholstered his weapon and aimed it at people in a hospital parking lot who were screaming at him that their mother/wife/etc was dying

--he was told repeatedly that she was dying and that they needed to get upstairs

--the hospital nurses came out and requested of the officer that he let Moats go as he was needed by the physicians

--he continued on his power trip by wasting even more valuable time by listing all of the things he could do to Moats

Even at the end of the video (which I'm guessing you have not yet watched) he said, "We will be done in a minute"


The officer showed no compassion, no understanding ( or even any attempt to understand what was happening), and no judgment


NO---he did not cause her to die----but he did prevent Moats AND the woman's HUSBAND from saying Goodbye. All because he ran a red light.
The officer continued to waste time....which is just pathetic
His actions suggest that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing AFTER 2 or 3 hospital personnel came out to try to get the officer to let him go and see his mother-in-law before she died...

He is a pathetic excuse for someone who has sworn to Protect and Serve
He has no clue what Service is
He needs to be relieved of all duty and fired from the Police force. No amount of "Sensitivity Training" can fix this asshole's testosterone rush

http://open.salon.com/blog/greg_correll/2009/02/11/files/applause1234363884.gif

You said everything I was thinking and then some, Indo. Great post! :drink:

I have the utmost respect for police officers - I have several who are dear friends of mine, but after watching the videos, there is absolutely NO excuse for what this officer did. He was definitely on a huge wave of a power trip and should not only be fired, but never be permitted to carry a badge or a gun again.

Moats and his father-in-law never got to say goodbye to their loved one and will never get to recreate those moments with her again. What a terribly tragic story. :shake02:

SteelersinCA
03-28-2009, 08:53 AM
Guess so, because it only takes a couple times for a whole city to realize that if a cop is about to pull you over for speeding or running a red light. . . just hit the gas and go to a hospital. Cops should just leave you alone then right? ? ?

What the cop did was wrong. But I think you may be a little biased here as well.

Well, there aren't hospitals on every corner, but if you are close I can see your argument. However, had the cop followed him, heard his story and followed him to the room, it would have worked out. The cop just acted like an ass instead.

SteelersGirlTN7
03-28-2009, 10:07 AM
No one is above the law, regardless of where they are going. Moats ran through a red light; he did however, do it with as much safety as absolutely possible. Powell "chased" him for all of like, a minute, and into the ER parking lot, at that. Granted, he *might* have been able to pull over sooner, but given the length of the pursuit, I don't think it was unreasonable. When everyone was piling out of the car, at first, of course, Powell doesn't really know what's going on, but it did not warrant a gun being pointed in the wife's face. It didn't take very long at all to figure out what was happening. While Moats did resist a bit in the beginning, just to let Powell know what was happening, in the video, he finally resigns himself to just saying yes sir, yes, i understand; whatever, agreeing with Powell when he says he can arrest him and take him to jail. This is why the situation went so wrong. The best case scenario is Powell could have believed him and let him go quickly. However, even if he still chose to ticket Moats, he could have done it so much faster. Moats did not say he didn't deserve the ticket. He just wanted Powell to hurry up. Powell was on such awful power trip, threatening jail and arrest, and "screwing him over". Powell just had ZERO respect for human life, compassion, common decency, or anything related to even having a tiny bit of heart. There were SO many ways this situation could have been different, but Powell was the main reason it wasn't. He wasted precious time that no one can ever get back. There is NO dispute as to what happened, it's all caught on tape. He watched the video himself, and really didn't even think he acted inappropriately. He wrote on his myspace (and has since deleted at lawyer advice) that he will still hold his head high and wait for this to blow over. I know he apologized, but if he was really sorry, he would have done it right after, not waiting like, a week, until after the public was outraged over the the incident. This man does not need a badge and a gun. He also does not deserve PAID admn leave. He needs to go find a new job! But he needs fo find a heart first! Also, my thoughts and prayers are with the Moats family. Many props also to Ryan Moats for acting far better than most people would have in such a terrible situation.

devilsdancefloor
03-28-2009, 11:52 AM
Guess so, because it only takes a couple times for a whole city to realize that if a cop is about to pull you over for speeding or running a red light. . . just hit the gas and go to a hospital. Cops should just leave you alone then right? ? ?

What the cop did was wrong. But I think you may be a little biased here as well.

well all it takes is to ask someone at the hospital or the way the people are reacting wil tell you alot. But i would guess 95% or more speeding/ runing lights near a hospital is a emergency of some kind. And so far Mr Moats has been a man about it. Hats off to him.

RoethlisBURGHer
03-28-2009, 02:37 PM
IMHO, he should be on unpaid leave. I hate when cops get paid leave when they are under investigation.

If you're under investigation, you shouldn't get a paid vacation. You should be on unpaid leave for the duration of the investigation.

IMHO, he should be kicked off of the force. No desk job, no dispatcher. That would leave absolutely no chance of him ever being back on the street.

I feel bad for the good cops, because you never ever hear about them. Unfortunately, the people that took the job to protect and serve are taking desk jobs and retiring...and they are being replaced with punks who would much rather harass and intimidate.

While I am not a cop hater, I do hate the ones I refer to as the "pigs"...they are the ones who have let that badge and gun go to their head. I have a had more than enough altercations with them.

I got stopped for no front plate in my old car...I had a temporary tag on the back (they only give you one, and you can not be cited for no front plate when you have a temp tag that is valid)...the officer (who was new on the force) pulled me out of the car (literally laid his hands on me) and accused me of being drunk when what he was smelling was my cologne.

He had his gun in his hand pointed at me. And it wasn't the first time I have been in that situation (a cop pointing his gun at me).

In Dyer, Indiana (don't ever go there if you can help it) I had an altercation with the police. I had just moved my friend there (we loaded his stuff up in my 86 Mustang). The next morning, after we unloaded, I was sitting in my car getting a cd out before we went to a park with his girlfriend....and a Dyer cop hit my window with something hard and when I looked out, he had his gun pointed at me telling me to get out.

After those two incidents, I am weary of all cops, and I feel that I have the right to be. You never know which cop is a stand up officer and which cop is a prick.

Godfather
03-30-2009, 12:47 PM
Per FARK, the same cop arrested Zach Thomas's wife for an illegal U-turn. Considering he acted the way he did in the Moats case--in front of a dashboard camera and another cop--I'll take her side in that incident.

Godfather
03-30-2009, 12:51 PM
White cop pulls over poor African American who did nothing and cops threatens him, haha im surprised Jesse Jackson or the attention profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilter in disguise Rev Al Sharpton is there holding rallies.

So I say he faces a suspension, then does about 5 to 8 months desk work with minimal pay.

Because lets face it, Imagine if its Convict Jones in that car instead of Ryan Moats, no one in this blue hell would believe him.

You never see Jesse and Al in cases where their presence would be justified.


As far as Convict Jones instead of Moats, you don't even need to go that far. What if he treated a regular Joe that way instead of a football player with a spotless reputation?

NJarhead
03-30-2009, 09:28 PM
But Wait! There's more!

Zach Thomas says Moats cop jailed wife in '08



The wife of former NFL linebacker Zach Thomas was handcuffed and jailed for making an illegal U-turn in 2008 by the same Dallas police officer who recently prevented Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats from seeing his dying mother-in-law in the hospital, The Dallas Morning News reported.

'My mother-in-law is dying' Video: Watch Texan Ryan Moats' confrontation with a police officer who stopped him from visiting a dying relative in the hospital and threatened to arrest him.
According to The Morning News, Maritza Thomas was pulled over on July 27, 2008, by Officer Robert Powell for an illegal U-turn. She was issued five tickets, four of which were later dismissed. She was handcuffed, placed in the back of a police cruiser, spent about three hours in the Dallas County Jail and threatened with the possibility of spending the night behind bars.

"This in no way compares to what happened to Ryan Moats and his family," said Zach Thomas, who played for the Cowboys last season and is now a free agent. "But we wanted to tell our story, not knowing how many others have been affected by Officer Powell. We know the vast majority of the Dallas police force are good and professional people, but this guy just seems excessive."

Powell's attorney, Bob Gorsky, questioned the timing of Maritza Thomas' allegations, saying she had not complained about her arrest until the Moats incident became public.

The Thomases considered filing a complaint against Powell but declined, "because we didn't want to cause a stir," Zach Thomas told The Morning News. He said they believed it "was maybe a guy having a bad day."

Charges that were dropped against Maritza Thomas, who is Hispanic, were failure to show proof of insurance, running a red light, having an improper address on a driver's license and not having a registration sticker on the windshield. She accepted deferred adjudication for the illegal U-turn charge, and her record will be cleared next month.

The Morning News report said she was detained roughly five hours.

Her attorney, Brody Shanklin, said, "Unless extraordinary circumstances exist, no person should be arrested for a Class C citation. In this case, it was an example of Officer Powell being overzealous and exerting his authority in a manner that he never should have."


Powell's attorney disagreed.

"I do understand that an arrest on multiple traffic charges happens often and is absolutely proper under these circumstances," Gorsky said. "Often, when there are multiple charges, an arrest made and bond posted, some of the charges from a single event are later dropped."

According to Maritza Thomas, a pharmacist with no prior criminal record, Powell would not accept an explanation of where the proper paperwork was before she was taken to jail. Her mother, Teresa Lozano, who she said was making her first trip to Dallas and speaks little English, was forced to ride with the tow-truck driver when the car was impounded. She later posted bail for her daughter's release.

"My mom was begging for him to let her go to the apartment that was five minutes away to get the paperwork," Maritza Thomas told The Morning News. "He unbuckled his holster, and she got scared."

The Thomases said Powell was dismissive, but they did not allege that he used abusive language. There is no dash-cam video available of the incident, but the police report lists the five citations and confirms that Thomas was taken to jail, The Morning News reported.

Judge C. Victor Lander, the city of Dallas' chief municipal judge, said under Texas law a person can be arrested for any Class C misdemeanor citation except speeding and having an open container, The Morning News reported.

When an officer gives someone a traffic citation, it is in lieu of arrest, Lander said. The officer does have the option of making an arrest, he said.

"It really is giving the individual a break by issuing them a ticket. But it's a break most people get," Lander said.

Dallas police say it is not unusual for an officer to arrest someone who is issued three or more citations during one traffic stop, The Morning News reported.

On Friday, Powell issued an apology for his actions in the Moats incident. He has been put on paid leave.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9396116/Zach-Thomas-says-Moats-cop-jailed-wife-in-'08

This cop sounds like a real loser.

cubanstogie
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
This guy obviously handled it incorrectly, I don't know his past but you don't fire a guy for one mistake. Its called progressive discipline. I tend to give cops the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that they have to be on the defense at all times. You saw what happened in Oakland. Sad day that this idiot gets more attention the the 4 guys who died in the line of duty trying to get a felon off the streets of Oakland.

steelreserve
04-01-2009, 12:14 PM
Well, it looks like the cop decided to get things over with and resign:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033626

Good. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

klick81
04-01-2009, 02:45 PM
Well, it looks like the cop decided to get things over with and resign:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033626

Good. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

Probably so he can apply at another department and not have to answer questions as to why he was reprimanded or fired :noidea:.

fansince'76
04-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Sounds like another one with an "I-have-a-badge-and-a-gun-so-I'm-God" complex.

triphahn
04-02-2009, 07:10 PM
Young and dumb.

SteelersinCA
04-02-2009, 08:46 PM
With regard to Thomas' wife coming forward when the Moats thing became public, that's pretty standard. Cops records are sealed and not open to the public. In CA, you have to file a motion to even have a judge look to see if there are complaints in the cops file. Even then they can deem them to not be material and you never find out if someone else had the same complaint.

The reason this cop resigned is because his credibility is now shot with these 2 incidents. What use is he to the force now? If I had a client arrested by him I'd demand a jury trial and cross examine the shit out of him on the witness stand. They jury would never believe him.

JPPT1974
04-03-2009, 01:31 AM
Cop really ruined his law enforcement career.

Galax Steeler
04-03-2009, 03:21 AM
I heard the faimily is sueing the officer has anyone else herd this or is it just a rumor.