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trauben
03-27-2009, 08:54 AM
Jiminey Cricket!

SHOOT ME NOW AND PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/mad-003.gif :thmbdown: :pissed: http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/mad-040.gif

"WASHINGTON (AP) ... ...

During his news conference, Blair also said the Obama administration is still wrestling with what to do with the remaining 240 detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, which the president has ordered closed.

Some of the detainees, deemed non-threatening, may be released into the United States as free men, Blair confirmed.

That would happen when they can't be returned to their home countries, because the governments either won't take them or the U.S. fears they will be abused or tortured. That is the case with 17 Uighers (WEE'-gurz), Chinese Muslim separatists who were cleared for release from the jail long ago. The U.S. can't find a country willing to take them, and it will not turn them over to China.

Blair said the former prisoners would have get some sort of assistance to start their new lives in the United States.

"We can't put them out on the street," he said.

Blair said the U.S. government is building dossiers on each of the prisoners at Guantanamo and is still developing the process that will determine what happens to them. Some may face criminal trials in the U.S. civilian courts and be imprisoned in U.S. jails. Others will be remanded to their home governments for continued jailing or potential rehabilitation.

The Pentagon claims more than 60 former Guantanamo inmates have been released by their home governments and are believed to be engaged in militant activities. It has not released a list of those former prisoners. Two of the top al-Qaida leaders in Yemen are former inmates, according to both al-Qaida and U.S. intelligence officials. And the Taliban's top operations officer in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo in 2007, according to U.S. intelligence and military officials."... ...

Excerpted from: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...N4QOQD975U2TG0 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAuRnefeehLy7i8HyzT98iON4QOQD975U2TG0)UNBELI EVABLE! More Welfare recipients for us hard-working taxpayers to bust our rears for? :mad:

I wonder what McCain would have done with them? Wait, never mind, he never would have scheduled Guantanamo closed in the first damned place!!!

the Obama administration is still wrestling with what to do with the remaining 240 detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, which the president has ordered closed.Talk about not thinking things through to completion and reality. :doh:

Man it's gonna be a long 4 years! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/unhappy-029.gif

stlrtruck
03-27-2009, 08:55 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.18e9e5692442aa61d7510553b5ffc14 e.e01&show_article=1

President Barack Obama's intelligence chief confirmed Thursday that some Guantanamo inmates may be released on US soil and receive assistance to return to society.
"If we are to release them in the United States, we need some sort of assistance for them to start a new life," said National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair at his first press conference.

"You can't just put them on the street," he added. "All that is work in progress."


Obama has vowed to close the controversial prison camp by next January and has ordered individual reviews for cases against each of the over 240 remaining prisoners.

Blair told reporters that the review of Guantanamo cases was still underway, and that the government was "building dossiers on each of the detainees."

The Obama administration is currently evaluating what could be done with the prisoners, he said, but pledged that if they are sent to another country, "we have to be sure that that country will treat them in a humane fashion."

Twenty men detained at the remote US naval base at Guantanamo Bay in southern Cuba have been cleared of terrorism charges, including 17 Chinese Uighurs ordered released by a US court in June, seven years after their arrest. But the US says they may face persecution if returned to China.

In an executive order signed days after he took office in January, Obama also promised to uphold the Geneva Conventions for the remaining prisoners until the detention center is closed.

Blair touched on the controversial interrogation techniques used on terror suspects under the administration of president George W. Bush, saying that those methods -- including waterboarding, or simulated drowning -- would not be used under his tenure.

But Blair, a retired US admiral, added that his team was examining other "enhanced interrogation techniques" for high-value detainees that comply with international conventions on prisoners of war.

He did not elaborate on what methods would be used, but said such interrogations should be carried out by "government employees; they shouldn't be contractors; they should be highly trained, very supervised."

Vincent
03-27-2009, 09:14 AM
In the interest of spending "the people's" money most effectively, and with the reality that ammo is getting real @#$% expensive, I propose that they line them up 3 deep. 80 rounds. What, a buck each? $80. Badda boom,badda bing.

Next.

HometownGal
03-27-2009, 09:25 AM
Blair said the former prisoners would have get some sort of assistance to start their new lives in the United States.

"We can't put them out on the street," he said.


Send them back to their own damned shitholes and let them be dealt with there. There's a reason they were being detained at Guantanamo and it wasn't because of their charming personalities or that they bake good cookies. :banging: :mad:

"Some sort of assistance" to suspected terrorists while this country and our own are in the midst of a deep recession??? :doh:

Keep on handing out those beaucoup bucks that this country just doesn't have, Obama.

Change We Can Believe In. Riiiiiiiighto. :jerkit:

fansince'76
03-27-2009, 09:25 AM
President Barack Obama's intelligence chief confirmed Thursday that some Guantanamo inmates may be released on US soil and receive assistance to return to society.
"If we are to release them in the United States, we need some sort of assistance for them to start a new life," said National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair at his first press conference.

"You can't just put them on the street," he added. "All that is work in progress."

Maybe we can set them up with pensions paid for by all the money we could be saving by forcing military veterans to use private health insurance to pay for medical care traditionally paid for by the VA. After all, these folks are so much more deserving of the taxpayers' money than our own veterans are. :coffee:

stlrtruck
03-27-2009, 09:31 AM
So Tony, what's your view on this one?

Remember the Muslims talked about destroying the country from the inside out, and now Obama and his cabinet are giving them a foothold!!!

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 10:02 AM
So Tony, what's your view on this one?

personally, i think if they were worthy of questionning they shoulda been killed in the field. i dont think we shoulda taken any prisoners in the war on terrorism. if they were worthy of intelligence, they shoulda been pumped overseas then dumped in the desert as buzzard food. i do suspect some of this happened over there just as i suspect some innocents were taken in hopes that they would have some usefull information.

you ever adopt an abused dog or puppy from the shelter and they are scared of all men or always pissing themself if you raise your voice or snapping at people and you realize they will NEVER make a good pet? i have a feeling these prisoners are ruined and will never make a good citizen. in the name of safety they should probably be strapped with cement shackles for their boat ride to the states that mysteriously sinks, or loaded on a plane that mysteriously flies into the bermuda triangle.

its not a very Christian like attitude, but that is how i feel.

oh, and it is OUR laws and government that is giving them a foothold. not one man. OUR policy is to choose to abide by the geneva convention, not commit war crimes, treat people fairly, and shit like that. if youre gonna blame obama, blame bush for not putting a slug in their head and opening up guantanamo in the firstplace. this is what happens when you react w/o thinking out the consequences.

HometownGal
03-27-2009, 10:36 AM
oh, and it is OUR laws and government that is giving them a foothold. not one man. OUR policy is to choose to abide by the geneva convention, not commit war crimes, treat people fairly, and shit like that. if youre gonna blame obama, blame bush for not putting a slug in their head and opening up guantanamo in the firstplace. this is what happens when you react w/o thinking out the consequences.

Sorry, Tony, but I disagree here. While the United States abides by the Geneva Convention, it is Obama and his intelligence chief who want to shut down Guantanamo Bay by January of next year, release these suspected terrorists out into OUR streets and expect taxpayers to foot the bill for these SOB's to enjoy life in OUR country. I still maintain my original thought - send them back to where they came from and let those countries deal with them. There's obviously a reason why they were being detained for so long at GB and I'm sure it wasn't for their good looks.

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 10:40 AM
they shoulda never been brought here in the 1st place. dumb idea.

throwing them into a den of hungry lions sounds all fine and dandy but our rules, laws, and morals, prevent us from doing that. the other countries are using that against us and refusing to accept them. i didnt invent the laws and neither did obama.

but i understand. you guys got alot of bush blame to get even with. carry on.

stlrtruck
03-27-2009, 10:44 AM
personally, i think if they were worthy of questionning they shoulda been killed in the field. i dont think we shoulda taken any prisoners in the war on terrorism. if they were worthy of intelligence, they shoulda been pumped overseas then dumped in the desert as buzzard food. i do suspect some of this happened over there just as i suspect some innocents were taken in hopes that they would have some usefull information.

you ever adopt an abused dog or puppy from the shelter and they are scared of all men or always pissing themself if you raise your voice or snapping at people and you realize they will NEVER make a good pet? i have a feeling these prisoners are ruined and will never make a good citizen. in the name of safety they should probably be strapped with cement shackles for their boat ride to the states that mysteriously sinks, or loaded on a plane that mysteriously flies into the bermuda triangle.

its not a very Christian like attitude, but that is how i feel.

oh, and it is OUR laws and government that is giving them a foothold. not one man. OUR policy is to choose to abide by the geneva convention, not commit war crimes, treat people fairly, and shit like that. if youre gonna blame obama, blame bush for not putting a slug in their head and opening up guantanamo in the firstplace. this is what happens when you react w/o thinking out the consequences.

Wow, something we agree on 100%!

Bush could have saved us all the crap by having a slug put in them while they were in the desert. But I do see the benefit of having these men ready for questioning at any point that we need to "question" them. However, it is Obama and his crew that want to shut it down.

HometownGal
03-27-2009, 10:47 AM
they shoulda never been brought here in the 1st place. dumb idea.

That's neither here nor there at this point. Releasing them into our streets and asking American taxpayers to foot the bill for them is just plain ludicrous (and dangerous). These people hate America and we're supposed to turn a blind eye, smile and hand them a "new life" here in our country, funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars?

EDIT: You edited your post after I started replying to it in its original form - LOL!

but i understand. you guys got alot of bush blame to get even with. carry on.


Why the hell does everything with you Libs have to be BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT Bush? This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with Bush.

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 10:57 AM
But I do see the benefit of having these men ready for questioning at any point that we need to "question" them. However, it is Obama and his crew that want to shut it down.cant squeeze blood out of a turnip. guantanamo bay has run its course. with this ongoing 8 year war on terrorism, do you ever wonder why they aint flying plane loads of captured terrorists or suspects there every week?

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 11:01 AM
Why the hell does everything with you Libs have to be BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT Bush? This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with Bush.who opened guantanamo bay? you cant ignore the past forever. you do understand that OUR LAWS prevent us from tossing them into a den of hungry lions right? as much as i disagree with it along with many other laws, that is what we got. WE took on that problem and now WE have to deal with it (somebody shoulda thought about that beforehand and that somebody certainly wasnt obama).

i guess the republican solution would be to just break the law, right?

trauben
03-27-2009, 11:11 AM
who opened guantanamo bay?
Technically? Theodore Roosevelt (R&PP) back in 1903 (despite our presence there five years prior). Its a shame to shut down the oldest Naval base outside the US mainly just for posturing by a celebrity CIC-in-training.

Dino 6 Rings
03-27-2009, 11:11 AM
My solution is to release them in the Ozarks and let the "Kin" take care of them.

Heck yeah...we want them here...please!

I think the reason they are looking at not returning them to China is because, well, China will just kill them as soon as they get off the plane. So, we are against that, I guess. I'm a little confused over why we wouldn't want the Chinese to try these people under their own laws, but whatever.

Next thing you know, they'll be using tax dollars to build anti-suicide fences on bridges In Ohio...

oh wait...

http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/41958387.html

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 11:16 AM
suicide is illegal. dumb rule. i cant believe obama invented it. :coffee:

trauben
03-27-2009, 11:19 AM
suicide is illegal. dumb rule. i cant believe obama invented it. :coffee:
Well, it comes with the job, blame for everything under that sun; cloudy or shinning. :coffee:

HometownGal
03-27-2009, 11:25 AM
who opened guantanamo bay? you cant ignore the past forever. you do understand that OUR LAWS prevent us from tossing them into a den of hungry lions right? as much as i disagree with it along with many other laws, that is what we got. WE took on that problem and now WE have to deal with it (somebody shoulda thought about that beforehand and that somebody certainly wasnt obama).

i guess the republican solution would be to just break the law, right?

My opinion has nothing to do with being a "Rib". :chuckle:

So - you're saying that these terrorists should be set free on our streets and American taxpayers should foot their bills? :jawdrop:

David Hicks, who was found guilty under retrospective legislation introduced in 2006 of providing material support to terrorists in 2001.

Salim Hamdan, who worked as a chauffeur to bin Laden.

Ali al-Bahlul, who made a video celebrating the attack on the USS Cole.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali and Walid Bin Attash, who were all involved in the September 11th attacks.

These are just a sampling of the terrorist bastards who are currently being detained at Guantanamo Bay.

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 11:29 AM
i already said what i think should happen to them, thank you.

revefsreleets
03-27-2009, 11:38 AM
My solution is to release them in the Ozarks and let the "Kin" take care of them.

Heck yeah...we want them here...please!

I think the reason they are looking at not returning them to China is because, well, China will just kill them as soon as they get off the plane. So, we are against that, I guess. I'm a little confused over why we wouldn't want the Chinese to try these people under their own laws, but whatever.

Next thing you know, they'll be using tax dollars to build anti-suicide fences on bridges In Ohio...

oh wait...

http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/41958387.html

This is literally in my backyard. This is a HUGE controversy around here, believe it or not, and there is a giant public clamoring to get this done, and has been for awhile. While it may appear stupid to outsiders, it's an "attractive nuisance" and it needs fixed.

You can also insert the obvious "Browns fans committing suicide" joke here as well...

Dino 6 Rings
03-27-2009, 12:00 PM
I just find it curious that a fence will cost about 1.5 Million dollars.

I mean...really? that's an awful lot of freaking money to put up a stinking fence.

Accountability and Transparency...nevermind.

revefsreleets
03-27-2009, 12:12 PM
It's a big bridge...probably close to a mile long? And it "Y's" which means it needs about a 3rd more fencing.

SteelersinCA
03-27-2009, 12:40 PM
Which law exactly prevents us from returning them to the country from which they came??? As far as I know we don't have laws against speculative murder.

The Geneva conventions does not apply to enemy combatants because they are UNLAWFUL combatants, the GC only applies to LAWFUL combatants. So, again, what laws prevent us from returning them to their country?

(I accidentally hit submit)

Obama, as part of his move to close Gitmo, has removed the enemy combatant status of these terrorists which, in turn, stripped them of ANY protection under the GC. They now have less protection under any law. Legally, they are now subject to the domestic laws of the nation in which they were arrested/committed offenses. So If you prefer to get LEGAL, we would only be following LAW if we turned them over to the country they were arrested in.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
03-27-2009, 01:03 PM
Return them to their own country and let them be subject to their own laws...simple as that.

Everyone is still playing the blame game with Bush, but you think you would figure out what to do with these people BEFORE you shut it down.

SCSTILLER
03-27-2009, 01:06 PM
Tony, I agree with you on the fact that they should have had a slug in their head in the desert and left there. One problem, do you remember when the Marines went into Fallujah? One of the tactics the insurgents used was to lie in a room act dead, when the Marine squad entered, the insurgent would either throw a grenade at them or blow themselve's and all the Marines up. So, it is filmed by the media of a Marine squad entering a room, apparently dead terrorist moves, Marine pumps two .556's into his chest, and the Marine is brought up on charges. BS, but that is what would happen all over the place if we just dispensed of them, no matter how much I agree with it.

As for the Geneva Conventions, 9/10's of these guys aren't afforded the protection of the Geneva Conventions because they aren't lawful terrorists. They use mosques, civilian clothing, human shields, etc. Now, I agree that as the US we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, but not to the point were it is dragging out a war and or costing our soldiers their lives. Basically, these terrorists should be sent back to their home countries and be dealt with by their home countries according to whatever law they practice. Heck, send them to Egypt and Syria, let them deal with them. No matter who opened Gitmo or however anyone wants to try to spin this subject, these FS's should not be released on American soil, and sure as hell should not be allowed to roam free, becoming a part of the Welfare Society. As was said before, the terrorists want to take our country down from the inside, this is one hell of a gift for them if this does happen.

kittenfantastico76
03-27-2009, 03:33 PM
WHAT THE, WHAT?

Seriously? If I had known this I would have started terrorist behavior so I could get a free ride (not really but I might as well).

kittenfantastico76
03-27-2009, 03:36 PM
Send them back to their own damned shitholes and let them be dealt with there. There's a reason they were being detained at Guantanamo and it wasn't because of their charming personalities or that they bake good cookies. :banging: :mad:


I was thinking the same thing... and they can't go home why? Oh right because they'll get what they deserve from their own country men and women... God forbid!!!

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 06:45 PM
ok... enough fun with this one. here we have yet another "this could happen" "this may happen" speculative article being passed off as actual news. the debate of what to do with these people has been going on for years but some wanted to sweep it under the rug and let the next admin deal with the self inflicted headache.

and here we have a thread title of misrepresentation (that practically is screaming fire in a theater), and the panic article has got people all bent out of shape and indeed, even in a panic. so lets throw some water on this fire.

Some of the detainees, deemed non-threatening, may be released into the United States as free men, Blair confirmed.


....or they may not. :coffee:

That is the case with 17 Uighers (WEE'-gurz), Chinese Muslim separatists who were cleared for release from the jail long ago. The U.S. can't find a country willing to take them, and it will not turn them over to China.



now we got the 17 WEE gurz :chuckle: who are actually the ones in question of being dumped into our laps being compared to these guys-



So - you're saying that these terrorists should be set free on our streets and American taxpayers should foot their bills? :jawdrop:

David Hicks, who was found guilty under retrospective legislation introduced in 2006 of providing material support to terrorists in 2001.

Salim Hamdan, who worked as a chauffeur to bin Laden.

Ali al-Bahlul, who made a video celebrating the attack on the USS Cole.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali and Walid Bin Attash, who were all involved in the September 11th attacks.

These are just a sampling of the terrorist bastards who are currently being detained at Guantanamo Bay. these guys will either be tried and imprisoned or shipped back home to continue their terroristic activities (or chaffeuring). :checkit:

it makes me wonder if anyone even bothered reading beyond the thread title and first few lines of the "article" before they decided to go off on a rant and obama blamefest.


but you think you would figure out what to do with these people BEFORE you shut it down.you know someone named "Everyone"? :huh:

i would think you would actually read the article and figure out that is EXACTLY whats going on.



Blair said the U.S. government is building dossiers on each of the prisoners at Guantanamo and is still developing the process that will determine what happens to them. Some may face criminal trials in the U.S. civilian courts and be imprisoned in U.S. jails. Others will be remanded to their home governments for continued jailing or potential rehabilitation.

The Pentagon claims more than 60 former Guantanamo inmates have been released by their home governments and are believed to be engaged in militant activities. It has not released a list of those former prisoners. Two of the top al-Qaida leaders in Yemen are former inmates, according to both al-Qaida and U.S. intelligence officials. And the Taliban's top operations officer in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo in 2007, according to U.S. intelligence and military officials."... ...i didnt realize obama was releasing terrorists from guantanamo as far back as 2007. it must cost alot of taxpayer dollars to hunt that guy back down. oops. :doh:

so now that this fire is out have you all heard that obama could start importing all new terror suspects to work as illegal aliens, stealling about 2 million jobs (americans dont wanna do anyways) created by the stimulus package, which will all be paid for by no longer paying any veteran benefits?

:willy::hyper::willy:

yep. its gonna happen. i read it in a panic article. :chuckle:

MACH1
03-27-2009, 07:29 PM
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X-Terminator
03-27-2009, 08:01 PM
We should have just killed them all, and been done with it. A heck of a lot cheaper, and saves a lot of headaches. Of course, the minute we did that, we'd have every pacifist asshole in the world giving us shit for doing what should have been done 35 years ago and that none of them have the sack to do. Nevermind that the terrorists don't give a shit about the Geneva Convention and will kill anyone who doesn't agree with them without a moment's hesitation. If the shackles were taken off the U.S. military, the war would have been over in a matter of days, bin Laden's head mounted on a spike in the Afghan mountains, and with nothing but dead Muslim terrorist assbags left in its wake.

The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. America ALWAYS has to be the one who does the right thing because...well, it's America. Can't have military tribunals, have to grant "rights" to terrorists, can't keep these animals locked up for life, and now all of this handwringing over what to do with GB. We ALWAYS get the short end of the stick, and I'm about sick of it, quite honestly.

tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 08:03 PM
hey mach...

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:chuckle:

MACH1
03-27-2009, 08:20 PM
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tony hipchest
03-27-2009, 08:25 PM
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:laughing: if i was really determined i would find a picture of an ammish dude shittin in a urinal to post at ya!

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
03-27-2009, 11:53 PM
:laughing: if i was really determined i would find a picture of an ammish dude shittin in a urinal to post at ya!

I actually did that when I was in kindergarten! :toofunny: