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revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 10:25 AM
Interesting stuff. Could this current crisis be contrived by the Democrats to : "Under the guise of recovery, bust the government, blame the capitalists for the failure, junk the constitution and declare a dictatorship"?

http://digg.com/d1nxfN

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klick81
04-10-2009, 11:20 AM
Are we forgetting something? This current crisis unfolded under a Republican's watch.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 11:30 AM
The theory behind this is that the Democrats have been plotting this crisis for much longer than 8 years...

There is no doubt that the left has been demonizing capitalism for a long time. In fact Spike (Killer) found something that showed that only 53% of Americans now think Capitalism is better than Socialism.

Where do you think that kind of thinking originated? Who would propagate thosekind of ideals? Which party most embodies the tenets of Socialism?

MACH1
04-10-2009, 11:48 AM
Hmmm. Wasn't it clinton that started the get a huge loan that you can't afford with no down payment.

fansince'76
04-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Are we forgetting something? This current crisis unfolded under a Republican's watch.

And a Democrat-controlled Congress.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 11:53 AM
My "Liberal East Coast Elite" DC Lawyer friend basically just told me that he favors Socialism over Capitalism. That it has failed...

He's highly intelligent and educated. And this is what he now believes.

fansince'76
04-10-2009, 11:54 AM
My "Liberal East Coast Elite" DC Lawyer friend basically just told me that he favors Socialism over Capitalism. That it has failed...

He's highly intelligent and educated. And this is what he now believes.

We'll see what he says when 2/3+ of his paycheck is going to various taxes to pay for that system.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:00 PM
We'll see what he says when 2/3+ of his paycheck is going to various taxes to pay for that system.

It's funny, because, being a lawyer, and naturally assuming he's smarter than everyone else in the Universe, he ALWAYS has an answer to everything. Some weird rationale, some kind of spin on how it's really all for the best, how his taxes come back to him in some form or other.

It's amazing the kind of self-delusion people will put themselves through just to cling to an ideal or belief that they feel they MUST subscribe to...

Prime example. When i finally nailed him down and said "So it's your view that Socialism >>> Capitalism?" His response was:

"For the viewpoint of the down-on-his-luck schmuck whom I described below, at the present time it certainly does.

Canada's econonly is doing pretty well compared to ours, BTW. Sure am glad I sunk a ton of money into Fidelity's Canada Fund a few years back."

fansince'76
04-10-2009, 12:02 PM
It's funny, because, being a lawyer, and naturally assuming he's smarter than everyone else in the Universe, he ALWAYS has an answer to everything. Some weird rationale, some kind of spin on how it's really all for the best, how his taxes come back to him in some form or other.

It's amazing the kind of self-delusion people will put themselves through just to cling to an ideal or belief that they feel they MUST subscribe to...

Canada's economy is doing pretty well compared to ours, BTW. Sure am glad I sunk a ton of money into Fidelity's Canada Fund a few years back."

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love the notion of "free" healthcare, etc. Unfortunately, I'm also grounded in reality and know that there is no such animal.

EDIT: BTW, I'm glad Canada's economy is doing well compared to ours - it's a relief to know that all those Canadians that come south for healthcare here as opposed to waiting 9-12 months (or longer) within their "free" system to see a doctor can actually afford it.

NJarhead
04-10-2009, 12:05 PM
My "Liberal East Coast Elite" DC Lawyer friend basically just told me that he favors Socialism over Capitalism. That it has failed...

He's highly intelligent and educated. And this is what he now believes.

Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him. :doh:

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:05 PM
See the duplicity? He's cherrypicking. "Isn't Canada's economic system wonderful? Isn't it great that I can participate in the American capitalistic ritual of buying and selling stocks/bonds and profit in that system while also concurrently blasting the parts of that system I DON'T like while basking in the failure of the very system I also derive great benefit from"

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:07 PM
Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him. :doh:

I don't understand. Are you also saying that Socialism trumps capitalism? Nobody is being persecuted here. There are no blacklists. This is simply an argument over idealogy.

fansince'76
04-10-2009, 12:23 PM
Prime example. When i finally nailed him down and said "So it's your view that Socialism >>> Capitalism?" His response was:

"For the viewpoint of the down-on-his-luck schmuck whom I described below, at the present time it certainly does.

By the way, would you mind asking your friend what incentive there is to work hard, or even to work, for that matter, in such a system, since Mother Nanny State will presumably take care of all my needs for me and everything will then be "free?"

Utopia is a nice pipe dream, it really is.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:28 PM
I got some kind of weird lecture about Bernie Madoff when I pursued that route.

Deflection and diversion are a lawyers favorite tools.

GBMelBlount
04-10-2009, 12:43 PM
There is no doubt that the left has been demonizing capitalism for a long time. In fact Spike (Killer) found something that showed that only 53% of Americans now think Capitalism is better than Socialism.

Where do you think that kind of thinking originated? Who would propagate thosekind of ideals? Which party most embodies the tenets of Socialism?

People like Tony are a perfect example of why I feel that freedom and capitalism WILL lose out to socialism in this country.

Our taxes as a percent of GNP are close to many socialist countries and you will still find people like Tony demonizing capitalism as though it is the cause of all evil and problems in this world and having a difficult time even acknowledging that government corruption,taxes and regulation are a problem.

As most conservatives know, the key to socialism succeeding is the media and educators convincing the ignorant masses that the freedom, liberty and capitalism that catapulted our young country to become the most prosperous in the world, is actually the problem.

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 12:47 PM
I really don't think it was possible for anyone to "plan" the current crisis. Home prices got too high because a large new generation suddenly started shopping for houses, it took a few years for them to throw up enough crappy tract houses to meet demand, and then prices went back down and the people who paid too much were screwed -- in no small part because they relied on way to pay for the house that assumed the price would keep going up. This is not hard to figure out.

If you want to blame anything, blame the stupidity of the average American, and his/her failure to understand that if you can contrive some elaborate scheme to buy something you can't afford ... the basic fact remains that you've bought something you can't afford. Double congrats to the banks who couldn't figure that out either, and lent them the money to do it.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Therein lies the rub. The system is not beyond repair. It's not necessarily even broken, it just needs a little repair. Capitalism IS what made this country great, and it has survived many tests. This is just the next in line.

The biggest lesson to take from this cartoon is that 75 years ago Capitalism was under attack. The sytem survived and ended up even stronger for it. The post WWII boom in the US may have been the greatest period of economic expansion by a Country ever seen in history.

We can't scrap that system now. We just can't...

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 12:52 PM
People like Tony are a perfect example of why I feel that freedom and capitalism WILL lose out to socialism in this country.

Our taxes as a percent of GNP are close to many socialist countries and you will still find people like Tony demonizing capitalism as though it is the cause of all evil and problems in this world and having a difficult time even acknowledging that government corruption,taxes and regulation are a problem.

Well, that, and the fact that the "average" American keeps demanding more and more from the government, and the only way anyone wants to pay for it is to keep going back and piling more taxes on the wealthy. Political correctness has literally gotten to the point where if you propose a tax increase on anyone other than corporate executives making more than $250,000 a year, you'll be denounced as a racist or an elitist.

Remember: You cannot have any service or financial aid provided by the government without confiscating that money from someone else; it's a zero-sum game. Government spending is rising WAY faster than inflation, and has been for decades. Sounds to me like we're on the path to socialism already.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 12:58 PM
Maggie Thatcher still said it best: "The problem wth Socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money"

KeiselPower99
04-10-2009, 03:53 PM
I was watching the History Channel the other night and it was a sow about the Presidents. Alot of whats happening now happened before.