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MACH1
04-10-2009, 10:38 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493093/

Polls are open.

If you were grading Barack Obama on his performance as president, what would he get?

He gets an A
29%
He gets a B
6.2%
He gets a C
5.5%
He gets a D
15%
He gets an F
44%

Failing miserably at yet something else.
Wonder how the all obama network will spin this.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 10:40 AM
"Um....but Bush.....um....panic article......but.....Bush.........he's only been in office for a few months.....um.......Palin.........Bush."

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 10:48 AM
I don't know .. C? Incomplete? Who the hell knows, it's only fricking April.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 10:55 AM
I graded C too...

An A is a lemmings grade, someone who just blindly loves Obama.

F would be a straight up hater. Hell, he gets better than an F from me simply for all the "failed Bush policies" (that weren't REALLY failures to begin with) that he's adopted...

NJarhead
04-10-2009, 11:06 AM
If he were in my class he's get an incomplete. I'm also forecasting this for 4 years from now.

I'd urge him to stick to the subject material or withdraw from the class. :chuckle:

HometownGal
04-10-2009, 12:23 PM
I don't hate the man, but I'm not at all impressed with his first almost 90 days in office. I gave him a D.

Dino 6 Rings
04-10-2009, 12:34 PM
Well let me see

Are the Troops Home Yet? How's that for a grade?

St33lersguy
04-10-2009, 12:44 PM
so far an F. So far he & his cronies in office have done NOTHING but hurt the country with that excess stimulus package, the excess taxing, his desire to abolish the 2nd amendment, & his obvious love affair with Muslim terrorists who WANT TO KILL AMERICANS. Anyone who says this clown gets an A is either a member of the far-left whack job crew that is the media or on crack

Fire Haley
04-10-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm having a nice bacon sammich

http://www.slashfood.com/media/2006/1/bacon5.jpg

NJarhead
04-10-2009, 01:36 PM
I'm having a nice bacon sammich

http://www.slashfood.com/media/2006/1/bacon5.jpg

:toofunny:

Fire Haley
04-10-2009, 01:38 PM
When pork is outlawed, only outlaws will have pork.

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 01:42 PM
I just don't think it's possible to give him an A or an F, because whatever he's done hasn't really had enough time to actually start screwing things up yet.

HometownGal
04-10-2009, 02:09 PM
I just don't think it's possible to give him an A or an F, because whatever he's done hasn't really had enough time to actually start screwing things up yet.

That's because he's adopted most of Bush's policies, which he ridiculed on his campaign trail to the White House, and now wants to take credit for. Guess those policies really weren't so bad, huh?

I should have given him an F for showing himself to be a complete and utter Fraud.

One and done. :applaudit:

KeiselPower99
04-10-2009, 02:49 PM
I just don't think it's possible to give him an A or an F, because whatever he's done hasn't really had enough time to actually start f***ing things up yet.

:drink:

SteelCityMan786
04-10-2009, 02:50 PM
He gets an Incomplete in my book. Too early in his term

but if you forced me to, he'd get an EF(Epic Fail)

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 03:02 PM
That's because he's adopted most of Bush's policies, which he ridiculed on his campaign trail to the White House, and now wants to take credit for. Guess those policies really weren't so bad, huh?

Some of them. Some of them were pretty stupid, though. For example, I was not a big fan of a lot of the religion-based crap over the past several years, and couldn't be happier to see it go. I also think Bush could've done a lot better job dealing with energy matters -- first the Western power crisis and then the $4.50-a-gallon gas. Basically, some small action saying, "No, it's not OK to blatantly rip people off when they don't have a choice" is all I would've been looking for ... but in either case, nothing.

On the other hand, all the morons shooting guns in the air and shouting "Death to America" seem to have been safely confined to Pakistan for the past several years, and this new idea that jacking up all the taxes is going to help is not something I am going to get behind. Suffice to say that I do not appreciate being told that it's in my best interest for them to take a couple thousand dollars that I worked for, and give it to my friendly neighbor up the road in Oakland, who spends all day holding down his porch or showing off his gold teef and smokin' hella weed.

So each party has some dumb ideas, but yeah, I won't be sad at all to see Obama go. I could stand four more years of Republicans a lot more easily than I could paying a few thousand dollars per year so people can have HOPE.

Vincent
04-10-2009, 03:15 PM
How he's doing depends on whether you're a @#$%ing communist or an American, and the polarity reflected in the poll shows that.

What disturbs me about that poll is the low numbers giving him an "A" vs the high numbers giving him an "F":. Where was that ratio when it mattered? :banging:

Oh, and I give the commie rat bastard the "F" he deserves. And one for Mich as well.

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 03:55 PM
What disturbs me about that poll is the low numbers giving him an "A" vs the high numbers giving him an "F":. Where was that ratio when it mattered? :banging:

They were busy being angry at Bush.

If there's one thing I've come to be absolutely certain about, it's that no matter who you are, being the current president means 20% more people will automatically be pissed off at you than before or after you were president. I don't know why this happens, but it's been true for pretty much every president since the 1960s.

So during the election, a lot of the people who don't like Obama now hadn't had a chance to develop any disdain yet.

revefsreleets
04-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Obama only adopted the best of Bush's policies by the way. He skipped over some of the more questionable and shaky ones, and nothing on the religious front.

The problem is that he pretty much said everything Bush did was wrong, so....how could he adopt ANY Bush policy?

Flip.
Flop.

steelreserve
04-10-2009, 05:22 PM
Obama only adopted the best of Bush's policies by the way. He skipped over some of the more questionable and shaky ones, and nothing on the religious front.

The problem is that he pretty much said everything Bush did was wrong, so....how could he adopt ANY Bush policy?

Flip.
Flop.

That's easy -- you get elected by saying "Vote for me, I'm not Bush!" I mean, you'd have to be a fool not to capitalize on people's anger and fed-upedness toward him. Then when you actually get into office, it's pretty obvious that there are certain things in place that are really party-neutral, and they are there because they make sense ... so changing them for the sake of changing them would be really stupid and you'd be shooting yourself in the foot.

So basically, for campaign purposes, the Republicans are 100% stupid and 0% common sense. In reality, neither party is THAT inept, so the Democrats are stupid on 30% of issues and the Republicans are stupid on a different 30%. So when you get into office, you change the most extreme stuff your party disagrees with ... and figure that people thinking you're a hypocrite for leaving some stuff alone is better than changing things that don't need fixing, and then having people really mad at you for making things up worse.

steelwall
04-10-2009, 05:31 PM
I'm having a nice bacon sammich

http://www.slashfood.com/media/2006/1/bacon5.jpg

I have to be honest here....screw Obamas grade I've been in China for 5 years without a single peice of bacon... I want that bacon!!!!!!

MACH1
04-10-2009, 06:10 PM
I have to be honest here....screw Obamas grade I've been in China for 5 years without a single peice of bacon... I want that bacon!!!!!!

I'm sure obama wouldn't mind spreading some pork your way.

F for F%$^^% Fraud!

SteelCurtain7
04-10-2009, 06:31 PM
F for Epic FAIL.

Vincent
04-10-2009, 06:58 PM
I have to be honest here....screw Obamas grade I've been in China for 5 years without a single peice of bacon... I want that bacon!!!!!!

We owe you more than bacon. We (SF) should cook you and yours a serious steak dinner next time you're State-side. :drink::tt::tt03::tt02::applaudit::hatsoff: I will drive to the Burgh to participate.

God bless you Sir, and yours!!

GBMelBlount
04-10-2009, 07:06 PM
If I were a socialist, I would give him an A+, and I mean that with all seriousness.

GBMelBlount
04-10-2009, 07:07 PM
We owe you more than bacon. We (SF) should cook you and yours a serious steak dinner next time you're State-side. :drink::tt::tt03::tt02::applaudit::hatsoff: I will drive to the Burgh to participate.

God bless you Sir, and yours!!

I'm in Vincent. Can't wait to meet you Steel! :drink:

tony hipchest
04-10-2009, 07:51 PM
If I were a socialist, I would give him an A+, and I mean that with all seriousness.
interesting. :scratchchin:

what would your grade be if you werent a hegemonic imperialist?

cubanstogie
04-10-2009, 10:40 PM
If you are grading him based on his campaign promises he deserves at best a D. A big part of his campaign and what won him the election is his promise get the troops out of Iraq. Now his plan is to have at least 50,000 until 2011, which is closer to what McCain and Bush proposed than what he did. His administration is a joke, Biden is a pathological liar. Any lib that is happy with this schmuck is a kool aid drinking drunk. He has not delivered anything close to his promises yet they still want to blow the guy. Down right embarrassing so far.

tony hipchest
04-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Any lib that his happy with this schmuck is a kool aid drinking drunk. .any lib who would be "that his" happy with the alternative would be a drano snorting crack addict. :noidea:

stlrtruck
04-11-2009, 12:05 AM
I gave him a D at this point. I'm still reserving judgment but his actions have proven to be anything but for the American.

MACH1
04-11-2009, 12:40 AM
any lib who would be "that his" happy with the alternative would be a drano snorting crack addict. :noidea:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6914/ashleyjoebidencocaine.jpg

tony hipchest
04-11-2009, 12:42 AM
joes wife is HAWT!

:naughty:

Preacher
04-11-2009, 03:03 AM
They guy has been in office for what. . . 3 months.

What a waste of time.

As many have said. The A's and F's are party line. Period. The rest, would have probably said that the day after his election.

theplatypus
04-11-2009, 05:24 AM
Nothing more than a big fat pile of partisan hacks(from both sides).

GBMelBlount
04-11-2009, 06:46 AM
interesting. :scratchchin:

what would your grade be if you werent a hegemonic imperialist?

Please tell me why you would say that Tony? It is completely untrue. The farther you go down this line, the more you will look like a socialist tony.

I am simply a conservative who believes in the same principles as our founding fathers.....freedom, liberty, self-determination, try to do what is right, and help others.

Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.

MACH1
04-11-2009, 12:17 PM
They guy has been in office for what. . . 3 months.

What a waste of time.

As many have said. The A's and F's are party line. Period. The rest, would have probably said that the day after his election.

Sorry but that's just not true in this case about giving him an F. The spedulus bill=F (at least take the time to read it), The direction he's taking the country = F. Socialism = F, Internationalism = F, spineless apologist = F, that's just my opinion though.

xfl2001fan
04-11-2009, 12:50 PM
I give him an "L" for Liar.

silver & black
04-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Sorry but that's just not true in this case about giving him an F. The spedulus bill=F (at least take the time to read it), The direction he's taking the country = F. Socialism = F, Internationalism = F, spineless apologist = F, that's just my opinion though.
Not just your's. :wink02:

tony hipchest
04-11-2009, 07:43 PM
Please tell me why you would say that Tony? It is completely untrue. The farther you go down this line, the more you will look like a socialist tony.

I am simply a conservative who believes in the same principles as our founding fathers.....freedom, liberty, self-determination, try to do what is right, and help others.

Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.



i said it because i believe it to be true, and the further you go down the line of calling everybody a "socialist" who doesnt buy into your views, reconfirms my belief.

and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.

"try to do what is right and helping others"? :toofunny: tell that to the slaves and the savage indians. we kicked ass and took names later. dont even pretend that only republicans "try to do what is right and help others". totally laughable.

oh, and while you boo hoo and are DEEPLY saddened, i will look at the glass half full....

i am sure my countries founding fathers would be extremely PROUD to look back and see that they founded the richest, most powerful, most democratic and religiously free nation in the ENTIRE world. :noidea:

SteelCurtain7
04-11-2009, 09:06 PM
...and Obama's urinating on their graves as we speak. :rolleyes:

GBMelBlount
04-11-2009, 10:01 PM
tony hipchest - i said it because i believe it to be true, and the further you go down the line of calling everybody a "socialist" who doesnt buy into your views, reconfirms my belief.

I'm only saying YOUR continuous bashing of free markets and capitalism and idiotically implying that greed and corruptness is solely a product of capitalism and not a trait of people in government or people in general, coupled with your strong and unwavering defense of a more massive government and increasing wealth distribution gives YOU the appearance of being a socialist.

tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.

"This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in it's train wretchedness and oppression."

- Thomas Jefferson

Steelman16
04-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Jefferson was truly a prophet of the end times. That man knew more about our current time than we do now.

tony hipchest
04-11-2009, 11:11 PM
I'm only saying YOUR continuous bashing of free markets and capitalism and idiotically implying that greed and corruptness is solely a product of capitalism and not a trait of people in government or people in general, coupled with your strong and unwavering defense of a more massive government and increasing wealth distribution gives YOU the appearance of being a socialist. :blah: do you just make up all this bullshit up as you go along? it is becoming evident that you dont even know what a socialist is since you keep claiming i am one.

however you most certainly fit the bill of hegemony. (deny it all you wish, but your over the top, extremist rhetoric is proof in the pudding).

your diatribe and wanna be propaganda is getting old. do a little research on what a socialist actually is (and get a clue of what youre accusing me of being) and then get back at me. :drink:

SteelCurtain7
04-12-2009, 12:29 AM
A Socialist is someone who tries to nationalize banks. Guess which country's leader is trying to do that, obamaton?

Blitzburgh_Fever
04-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Lordy lordy, some people just like to hate. It's pretty simple, and something I think even the haters can agree with: if you're upset with something, you tend to gravitate towards methods of expression. If you're pleased or even tolerant of something, and you realize that all a certain avenue presents is hatred and mistrust, you just ignore it.

I have a feeling if Obama eliminated all taxes, brought all troops home everywhere in the world, and somehow made China swear fealty to the U.S. and forgive all debts, he'd still be the Antichrist because the liberals ruined television (or something equally inane).

I ignore any thread talking about Obama because people throw buzz words with negative connotations around so frequently. I lose a tremendous amount of respect for most of the posters on these boards because I hear Fox News or CNN regurgitated out of their mouths. All the hate and anger and bigotry that flows from talk show hosts mouth's is etched into words so volatile I can almost feel the aggression screaming from my monitor. And what's sad is that unlike roadrage or "internet" rage, most of us would repeat these malignant words in person. I can accept obnoxiousness under the guise of anonymity; when it too often translates to real world righteousness it becomes incredibly disheartening.

Words like liberal no longer mean someone who believes in socially equal and exploratory policies, but instead has become the definition of someone who hates hard workers, and by extension anyone who supports liberal policies becomes a socialist or communist or whatever the monthly buzz word is.

I guess I am a democrat, but I won't point fingers without examining my own "party". Take the above paragraph and change the word liberal to conservative, and change the second half of that sentence to "someone who hates gays and blacks and only trusts in WASPs" and it would be true too. It becomes so exacerbated that from an outside view, the only difference between conservative and liberal is the origin and target of insults.

So when I see "Obama did this", posted by either a "conservative" or "liberal" poster on these forums, I ignore it, because there is a (sometimes not-so) veiled insult hidden in the text. Something like "Obama increases DoD budget" is followed up with the invisible question "What now?".

I don't know, I'm rambling, but this is just the culmination of silliness. Seriously? You think the guy has been perfect in the first 90 days? Conversely, you think he's failed at everything he's done? I have no time for people who see the world in absolutes, thus I pay little attention to those who give him an "A" or an "F". Rampant, reality-TV style silliness.

GBMelBlount
04-12-2009, 06:01 AM
GBMelBlount
Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.

tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.


"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington

Muppet13
04-12-2009, 06:14 AM
F for failure.

HometownGal
04-12-2009, 06:21 AM
Conversely, you think he's failed at everything he's done?

OK, Blitz - what exactly HAS he done in his first 90 or so days?

GBMelBlount
04-12-2009, 07:03 AM
tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.

I apologize Tony. You are right. I did not write the constitution.....I simply read it....

The constitution, paragraph one:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

lib·er·ty:

1: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice

Our founding fathers feared the government and as shown here in the first paragraph of the constitution you referred to, clearly prefer the freedom, free markets and capitalism (which is based on liberty and free choice) that you clearly disdain.

theplatypus
04-12-2009, 07:05 AM
OK, Blitz - what exactly HAS he done in his first 90 or so days?


Here's a list through March 10th.


Copied from another forum

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/10/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4855811.shtml


Tuesday, January 20 - Inauguration (See Full CBSNews.com coverage here)

Wednesday, January 21 – Signs Executive Orders on Gifts and Lobbying

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 – Signs Executive Orders on Guantanamo Detentions

Friday, January 23, 2009 – Signs Executive Order lifting Pres. Bush's ban on federal funding to international groups that perform or counsel on abortion

-Holds his first White House meeting with Congressional Leaders to discuss economic stimulus plan

Monday, January 26 - Issues Memoranda on fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 – Attends House and Senate Republican Caucuses at the Capitol

Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - House passes Stimulus Bill

- Meets with business leaders on the economy

Thursday, January 29, 2009 - Signs first bill into law: S. 181 – The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009

Friday, January 30, 2009 – Speaks to labor Leaders about the economy

- Issues orders on employee rights and government contracting

Sunday, February 1 – Hosts Super Bowl party with members of Congress

Monday, February 2 - Confers with Defense Secretary about Iraq

- Meets with Democratic Congressional Leaders about the stimulus bill

Tuesday, February 3 - Tom Daschle Withdraws as HHS nominee

- Announces Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., to be Secretary of Commerce nominee

- Visits local Charter School

- Sits for five network TV interviews

Wednesday, February 4 – Discusses Mideast policy with Secretary of State Clinton and special envoy George Mitchell

- Addresses Senate Democratic Caucus meeting at the Newseum

- Second bill signing ceremony: SCHIP – The State Children's Health Care Program

Thursday, February 5 – Attends National Prayer Breakfast

- Visits Energy Dept to discuss stimulus bill

- Signs order creating Advisory Council on Faith

- Takes first rides on Marine One and Air Force One en route Williamsburg, Va., to address the House Democrats "issues conference"

Friday, February 6 - Announces members of his Economic Recovery Advisory Board; laments jump in unemployment rate to 7.6%

- Takes his family to the Alvin Ailey Dance Theater at Kennedy Center

Saturday, February 7 – Makes his first visit to Camp David with his family

Takes his family to the Alvin Ailey Dance Theater at Kennedy Center

Saturday, February 7 – Makes his first visit to Camp David with his family


(CBS)Monday, February 9 – Conducts a Town Hall Meeting in Elkhart, Indiana

- Holds his first White House / Prime Time News Conference

Tuesday, February 10 - Senate passes Stimulus bill

- Conducts a Town Hall Meeting in Ft. Myers, Florida

- Sits for interview with ABC's Nightline

Wednesday, February 11 – Makes case for the stimulus bill on visit to a construction site in Springfield, Va.

- Discusses Afghanistan with Defense Secretary Gates

- Attends performance marking re-opening of Ford's Theater

Thursday, February 12 – Judd Gregg withdraws as nominee for Commerce Secretary

- Attends Lincoln Bicentennial in Capitol Rotunda

- Visits the Caterpillar plant in East Peoria, Il., to deliver another speech about the economy and the stimulus plan.

- Addresses a Lincoln Association banquet in Springfield, IL

Friday, February 13 - House approves latest version of the stimulus bill, but not one republican votes for it

- Addresses Business Council members on stimulus

- Obama family departs for long weekend in Chicago

Tuesday, February 17 - Travels to Denver to sign $787-billion stimulus bill

Wednesday, February 18 - In Phoenix, unveils plan to ease the mortgage foreclosure crisis


(CBS)Thursday, February 19 – Makes first foreign trip of his presidency to Ottawa, Canada

Friday, February 20 – First month in office

- Addresses nation's mayors on the stimulus plan

Sunday, February 22 – Hosts dinner for nation's governors.

Monday, February 23 - Addresses governors about the economy and the stimulus plan

-Hosts "fiscal responsibility summit" with government, business and labor leaders


(AP)Tuesday, February 24 – Delivers first Address to a Joint Session of Congress

-Hosts first foreign leader to visit him at the White House: Prime Minister Taro Aso of Japan

Wednesday, February 25 - Names former Washington Gov. Gary Locke as latest nominee for Commerce Secretary

- Announces strategy for new regulation of financial industry.

- Hosts performance in tribute to Stevie Wonder

Thursday, February 26 - Unveils his federal budget plan and its $1.7-trillion deficit this year

- Hosts visit by his hometown Chicago Bulls

Friday, February 27 - Visits Camp Lejeune, NC., to announce timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq

- Attends Wizards-Bulls game at the Verizon Center

Saturday, February 28 - Plays basketball at Interior Department gym

Monday, March 2 – Announces intention to nominate Gov. Kathleen Sibelius, D-Kan., to be Secretary of Health and Human Services

Tuesday, March 3 - Visits the Transportation Department to spotlight highway and transit projects in the stimulus bill

- Meets with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

- Takes part in event marking 160th anniversary of the Interior Department

Wednesday, March 4 - Announces new policy on federal contracting

- Presents new swing set to his daughters on the lawn outside the Oval Office

- Hosts dinner for congressional committee chairmen and ranking members

Thursday, March 5 – Hosts Forum on Health Care Reform

Friday, March 6 – Attends police graduation event in Columbus, Ohio, spotlight programs to be funded by the stimulus plan

Monday, March 9 - Issues Executive Order lifting Pres. Bush's ban on federal funding for new embryonic stem cell projects

Tuesday, March 10 – 50th Day of his presidency

- Announces policy on education reform (read more here)

xfl2001fan
04-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Maybe because there is so much...and I have chose not to thoroughly read through it all, but I have yet to see much that is either

A: Not something Bush was already doing
B: Good for the country moving forward.

GBMelBlount
04-15-2009, 08:37 AM
GBMelBlount
Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.


tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.

We have already figured out you have never taken a course in Economics, I didn't realize you never took a course in history either......

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.'
~ Thomas Jefferson.

Hammer67
04-15-2009, 09:15 AM
:popcorn:

Hammer67
04-15-2009, 09:17 AM
Doesn't anyone ever get the impression that arguing politics in a forum is like running around in circles while smacking yourself in the head with a hammer?

No one is ever persuaded... lol.

revefsreleets
04-15-2009, 09:25 AM
No, but it IS an interesting diversion.

And I do think that people are persuaded...they may not always admit it, but it happens...

tony hipchest
04-15-2009, 09:37 AM
We have already figured out you have never taken a course in Economics, I didn't realize you never took a course in history either......

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.'
~ Thomas Jefferson.

:yawn:

nice 'cut and paste' mr. history major. :busted:

i didnt realize you also minored in ignorance. my background in history is far more extensive than yours. just read the In 1492 Columbus discovered.... thread. :checkit:

ive already cut and pasted all your little quotes (that still dont show you have any idea how the founding fathers would feel, Sigmund).

In addition, i have posted the declaration of independence, constitution, churchill speeches, the magna carta, patric henry, gettysburg address, etc.

see? im smarter than you. :applaudit:

wait.... i dont think i did the magna carta bungles suck. :doh:

gotta run! :cya:

Hammer67
04-15-2009, 09:40 AM
No, but it IS an interesting diversion.

And I do think that people are persuaded...they may not always admit it, but it happens...

I think it has to do with pride. I like to consider myself open to view points that I haven't considered. And, I have occasionally admitted that I rethought my position for some stances.

Overly proud and boisterous people tend to lack the ability to admit when they are wrong or haven't thought something through. (not accusing anyone here specifically)

Hammer67
04-15-2009, 09:53 AM
Lordy lordy, some people just like to hate. It's pretty simple, and something I think even the haters can agree with: if you're upset with something, you tend to gravitate towards methods of expression. If you're pleased or even tolerant of something, and you realize that all a certain avenue presents is hatred and mistrust, you just ignore it.

I have a feeling if Obama eliminated all taxes, brought all troops home everywhere in the world, and somehow made China swear fealty to the U.S. and forgive all debts, he'd still be the Antichrist because the liberals ruined television (or something equally inane).

I ignore any thread talking about Obama because people throw buzz words with negative connotations around so frequently. I lose a tremendous amount of respect for most of the posters on these boards because I hear Fox News or CNN regurgitated out of their mouths. All the hate and anger and bigotry that flows from talk show hosts mouth's is etched into words so volatile I can almost feel the aggression screaming from my monitor. And what's sad is that unlike roadrage or "internet" rage, most of us would repeat these malignant words in person. I can accept obnoxiousness under the guise of anonymity; when it too often translates to real world righteousness it becomes incredibly disheartening.

Words like liberal no longer mean someone who believes in socially equal and exploratory policies, but instead has become the definition of someone who hates hard workers, and by extension anyone who supports liberal policies becomes a socialist or communist or whatever the monthly buzz word is.

I guess I am a democrat, but I won't point fingers without examining my own "party". Take the above paragraph and change the word liberal to conservative, and change the second half of that sentence to "someone who hates gays and blacks and only trusts in WASPs" and it would be true too. It becomes so exacerbated that from an outside view, the only difference between conservative and liberal is the origin and target of insults.

So when I see "Obama did this", posted by either a "conservative" or "liberal" poster on these forums, I ignore it, because there is a (sometimes not-so) veiled insult hidden in the text. Something like "Obama increases DoD budget" is followed up with the invisible question "What now?".

I don't know, I'm rambling, but this is just the culmination of silliness. Seriously? You think the guy has been perfect in the first 90 days? Conversely, you think he's failed at everything he's done? I have no time for people who see the world in absolutes, thus I pay little attention to those who give him an "A" or an "F". Rampant, reality-TV style silliness.


It really is no worse or better then it always has been. I just read a bit about the public debates during Lincoln's first presidential campaign. You want to talk vitriol...wow.

Anyway, I do agree that the latest forms of entertainment news (30 second segments of talking heads before being rushed to a commercial) are less then flattering to our collective intelligence. But, that has given rise to blogging and a new wave of news delivery.

I, for one, enjoy healthy debate and I like forums like this that allow it. I think this site is pretty good with avoiding personal attacks vs. attacking viewpoints, which fuels the debate. Some people confuse the two.

GBMelBlount
04-15-2009, 09:56 AM
GBMelBlount
Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.


tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.


OK Tony, you win. I'll admit I am not as learned as you. So I am starting to read the constitution and learn about our founding fathers.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."

William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

I hope you realize that the only reason I am researching this is because I believe I am right and your words are combative and emphatically implying that I am wrong. So, I am looking for and presenting facts to support my beliefs. You are more than welcome to present facts showing your side as well....my dear friend.

tony hipchest
04-15-2009, 09:06 PM
OK Tony, you win. I'll admit I am not as learned as you. So I am starting to read the constitution and learn about our founding fathers.


I hope you realize that the only reason I am researching this is because I believe I am right and your words are combative and emphatically implying that I am wrong. So, I am looking for and presenting facts to support my beliefs. You are more than welcome to present facts showing your side as well....my dear friend.

"emphatically"???

actually (for those of us on earth) i simply stated that you view the glass as half empty whereas i view it as half full. thats about as ANTI-emphatic as it gets. my wording was calculated and i phrased it that way for a reason.

you are the one being emphatic about being correct (imperialistic hegemony at its finest). shit, i aint even doing no resurch. :dang:

by all means, if you think your research of quotes will help you get into the heads of men who have been dead for 200 years, then knock yourself out.

but you will never be able to prove what they would be feeling as "fact".

finish your research, and then i will be happy to respond. but while youre at it, look for some evidence of how our founding fathers would feel about big govt such as the US HWY Dept, INS, Centers of Disease and Control, NASA, etc. and how they would propose paying for it.

(FWIW- im not even sure they could fortell what they would think about lincoln abolishing slavery. im sure you can though! :thumbsup: )

again mel, i like you, but just because doesnt mean i will sit around and watch you try to paint me as an idiot.

Dino 6 Rings
04-16-2009, 11:47 AM
Troops Home Yet?

revefsreleets
04-16-2009, 12:33 PM
Yup. Bottom line?

Dems ran on platform in '06 to reduce gas prices, bring the troops home, and reduce earmarks. Gas skyrocketed to $4 a gallon, the war not only continued, but escalated, and earmarks are up almost 20%.

That's just the party...not mentioning Obama at all here....

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 02:32 PM
tony hipchest
i simply stated that you view the glass as half empty whereas i view it as half full.

Really? I believe, as our founding fathers did, that people are generally good, and if given the liberty and freedom to pursue their goals, we are best off.

You, on the other hand, constantly characterize free and competitive markets and capitalism as only greedy and corrupt and constantly stress the need for people to be controlled and regulated by government force.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe you have "the glass is half empty" philosophy.

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 03:05 PM
you- glass half empty:



Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.

me- Glass half full:



i am sure my countries founding fathers would be extremely PROUD to look back and see that they founded the richest, most powerful, most democratic and religiously free nation in the ENTIRE world. :noidea:

me drinking beer- :drink:



You, on the other hand, constantly characterize free and competitive markets and capitalism as only greedy and corrupt and constantly stress the need for people to be controlled and regulated by government force.

.ok mel, its time to put your money where your mouth is cause im calling you out for the incessant lies and bullshit you constantly post.

provide some links or sources of this or be exposed as a liar. :link:

raising taxes a few points doesnt equal socialism. neither does snuffing out corrupt, corporate greed and fraud, and closing loopholes that only benefit the elite (pretty much confirming to me, you dont even really know what socialism is).

i had no problem showing youre a glass half empty dude. lets see what you can do/show or prove. :coffee:

:popcorn:

Preacher
04-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Really? I believe, as our founding fathers did, that people are generally good, and if given the liberty and freedom to pursue their goals, we are best off.

You, on the other hand, constantly characterize free and competitive markets and capitalism as only greedy and corrupt and constantly stress the need for people to be controlled and regulated by government force.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe you have "the glass is half empty" philosophy.


What is really interesting here, is that for both of you being Christians, you are both right... and wrong.

1. Doctrine of original sin teaches us that humans are NOT naturally good, but naturally bent towards sin... which breaks down to pride/selfishness as it manifests in multitudinous ways. Thus, people, left to their own will, WILL act in a selfish manner.

2. Free-market capitalism pits that selfishness against itself. So that the best products are built for the cheapest price. Understanding that the consumer will want the best product for the best price, a balance will be found between them.

3. The role of the government in this situation is to stand on the sidelines and make sure the rules of the game are not violated... but NOT enter into the game itself. Because the Govt. is ALSO made up of humans that are sinful and as such, are naturally selfish.

4. Society as a whole is therefore understood as smoothing over the baser desires and creating a community which each and every person can pursue what they feel is best for themselves. Because in doing so, more products of a better nature, more work of a better quality will naturally come about. However, when govt. steps in and removes the selfish goals (limiting pay, price restrictions, etc.) the work diminishes because there is no longer the value.

5. The X- Factor. Pride of work. Our culture no longer values reputation/pride of work. At one time, this issue is what made people have the "work ethic" that produced the best even when they weren't paid the best. However, in this day and age, the self pride that comes from an excellent "work ethic" is gone. Thus, it is no longer a driving factor.

Conclusion: As stated Christians, MelB and Tony... may I suggest you both take a look at integrating the doctrines of our beliefs better with your views on economics. Because in the end, if Christianity IS right, our doctrines are the foundation of EVERYTHING... including how economics work.

One example: Communism failed because it denies original sin. It holds that economic depravity is the core of all human problems. Thus, a system by which all is equal will create a workers paradise. What it failed to understand was that humanity is naturally sinful... selfish. Thus, when a person that is working harder than the next person is getting paid the same amount, they will cease to work harder. Over 3 generations, the whole system came to a crashing halt in the USSR. China has had to move to a combined marxist/capitalist system. Cuba survived for decades on help from the USSR and now is begging Obama to open up the borders. N. Korea is starving its people because it just can't feed them (just as the USSR did).

That is just one example.

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 05:24 PM
ok mel, its time to put your money where your mouth is cause im calling you out for the incessant lies and bullshit you constantly post.

provide some links or sources of this or be exposed as a liar. :link:

raising taxes a few points doesnt equal socialism. neither does snuffing out corrupt, corporate greed and fraud, and closing loopholes that only benefit the elite (pretty much confirming to me, you dont even really know what socialism is).

Face it Tony, you post like a socialist leaning lefty.

Again, all that I am saying is that your CONSTANT bashing of capitalism and free markets and constant & blind lockstep lemming lefty support of bigger & bigger government, trillions of dollars in increased spending, and anything obama makes you appear to be a huge far left, socialist leaner. That's all. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 05:38 PM
i think youve been brainwashed. nevertheless youve been exposed. enjoy playing make believe.

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 05:39 PM
I realize a few percent means means little to a history major, or anyone who is short sighted and myopic, but if you look at where we were in 1900 and where we are now, it is shocking, wouldn't you agree Tony? Or is working INTO June JUST to pay one's taxes to the government something we should feel is a privilege?

In 1902 the government spent only six percent of our national income for public use. That was for everything: defense, education, the Post Office. Today in 2009 the government takes 44.7 percent of our nation’s product. And for what?


Tell me how you justify this Tony? Working almost 1/2 of the year to give money for the government to redistribute?

And this colossal deficit spending by a bankrupt government will be paid by our children and grandchildren. And yet you still defend the government and bash freedom and capitalism....nice.

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 05:48 PM
And yet you still defend the government and bash freedom and capitalism....nice.

:link:

*exposed as a liar and a fraud*

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 07:59 PM
GBMelBlount
Our founding fathers would be DEEPLY saddened, and probably feel that they had ultimately failed, if they saw what has become of our government and the majority of our people.


tony hipchest
and who the hell are YOU to tell us what the founding fathers would feel. you act like you are a founding father and you wrote the constitution.

I cannot stop laughing about this Tony, You are telling me you were a history major and you write this? LOL.

The colonies were settled with the understanding that the British government would not provide any funding, leaving colonists to cover their own costs. When the British government determined they needed additional revenue, they imposed taxes on the colonies. The colonists were outraged since they had never been obligated to pay England; they were solely responsible for sustaining themselves.

so again, I can find hundreds of quotes from our founding fathers showing their disdain for for corrupt, exploiting governments, but I am having a hard time finding ANY to support the type of comfort (and defense) you have of incredibly huge government, strangling taxes and suffocating regulation.

Let's face it, if our founding fathers had your apparent beliefs, one could EASILY argue we would still be under british rule.

By the way, I think I cut and pasted this from my daughters 3rd grade text book.

Again, this is a perfect example of a greedy and corrupt government exploiting people for their gain.

LOL!

And your argument for massive government regulation and control of individuals is because you characterize ONLY capitalism as having these traits as opposed to all people and that we need an even greedier and more corrupt government to protect us? Do you see the humor? I do. It's hysterical.

Polamalu Princess
04-16-2009, 08:01 PM
This is UGLY! God help us all.

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 08:09 PM
You are telling me you were a history major :link:

And your argument for massive government regulation :link: and control of individuals :link: is because you characterize ONLY capitalism as having that trait :link: and we need an even greedier and more corrupt government to protect us?

Do you see how funny your arguments against freedom and capitalism :link: are?

:thumbsup: ah yes... "taxation w/o representation" :hatsoff: good to see you're learning.

*still exposed as a fraud and a liar*

:coffee:

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 09:30 PM
OK Tony, here's a link to illustrate my point:

tony hipchest
mccain is offering to cut taxes across the board yet the largest percentage (the chart says 4.4%) goes to the richest.

sorry, i just dont want my tax dollar going to the richest multi millionaires who live high on the reaganomic hog with lipstic, in hopes that one day it trickles down to make my life better.

HUH? They aren't taking your money, they are keeping what they earned. Unfortunately YOU act like when the wealthy get to keep more of what they earn, somehow others are paying for it?

That is exactly how socialism starts a bunch of power hungry politicians and blind followers who are steeped in class envy. When someone gets to keep the money they earn, that they are somehow taking it from the government and the others it should be rightfully redistributed to. That is ridiculous, foolish and backward logic.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=27258&highlight=greed&page=2

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 10:05 PM
*still exposed as a liar*

keep researching.

:coffee:

cubanstogie
04-16-2009, 10:14 PM
i am confident with the people obama will surround himself with.

that was a quote from Tony hipcheese in August of 2008. Exactly who has he surrounded himself with that gives you confidence. If that kool aid wasn't laced then I don't know what is your excuse. Is it Daschle, Geithner,your man Richardson,Napolitano, or Panetta. Which one of these idiots exudes confidence for you. To friggin funny. Am I still whining. ha ha ha, I am peeing my pants. This cabinet could be replaced with the Bad News Bears and not miss a beat.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-16-2009, 10:14 PM
I voted him a B.
I thougth about it for a long time between a B and a C.
I feel that he has tried to do a lot in his first 90 days, maybe too much,
alot can be said for and agains that....

I guess only time will tell

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 10:21 PM
i am confident with the people obama will surround himself with.

that was a quote from Tony hipcheese in August of 2008. Exactly who has he surrounded himself with that gives you confidence. If that kool aid wasn't laced then I don't know what is your excuse. Is it Daschle, Geithner,your man Richardson,Napolitano, or Panetta. Which one of these idiots exudes confidence for you. To friggin funny. Am I still whining. ha ha ha, I am peeing my pants. This cabinet could be replaced with the Bad News Bears and not miss a beat.

nice try cuban. that was a prediction. none of those people were appointed in aug. 08.

and being how o'bamas, campaign and advisors was mopping up with mccains, i had every right to be confident. going by the previous 2 elections, he won by a landslide.

still dont know what your point is. pretty much has nothing to do with this thread. :hunch:



:binky: you should try some diapers for that problem there. :monkey:

oh, and kudos for you for not flat out making up a lie and having some supporting evidence to back up your point, whatever it may be. :cheers:

cubanstogie
04-16-2009, 10:32 PM
nice try cuban. that was a prediction. none of those people were appointed in aug. 08.

and being how o'bamas, campaign and advisors was mopping up with mccains, i had every right to be confident. going by the previous 2 elections, he won by a landslide.

still dont know what your point is. pretty much has nothing to do with this thread. :hunch:



:binky: you should try some diapers for that problem there. :monkey:

oh, and kudos for you for not flat out making up a lie and having some supporting evidence to back up your point, whatever it may be. :cheers:

This thread is asking for a grade, your prediction before the election stated you had confidence in the people he surrounded himself with. I subjectively of course give that prediction a big F. My point is that the kool aid was very powerful. So far his appointees have been a huge embarrassment. That is part of being a Prez, therefore his grade which is the topic of this thread, should be pretty low. D minus maybe.

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 11:00 PM
This thread is asking for a grade, your prediction before the election stated you had confidence in the people he surrounded himself with. I subjectively of course give that prediction a big F. My point is that the kool aid was very powerful. So far his appointees have been a huge embarrassment. That is part of being a Prez, therefore his grade which is the topic of this thread, should be pretty low. D minus maybe. so explain to us all what my prediction 8 months ago has to do with you grade now?

(not that i dont appreciate you remembering or accepting my word as gospel :drink: )

good job! :thumbsup:

oh, and fwiw, i woulda loved to see all the dirt the evil leftist media woulda dug up on all the mccain appointees had he won. that woulda been a hoot. you dont think just democratic politicians have black marks against them, do you? (talk about koolaid drinkin)

MACH1
04-16-2009, 11:28 PM
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/84406838.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19346E4C5E9CA07326185455B4017D9FC33 5A5397277B4DC33E

uh uh uh ........ uh uh uh ....uh I'll uh get back to uh you uh on that uh

:chuckle:

revefsreleets
04-17-2009, 10:46 AM
Gates-A
Clinton-B
_______-__

Please continue...this is an interesting tangent...

theplatypus
04-17-2009, 07:50 PM
Some people can't see the forest through the trees.

HometownGal
04-17-2009, 08:13 PM
http://www.toonpool.com/user/1292/files/sheep_surround_shepherd_obama_350475.jpg

GBMelBlount
04-17-2009, 08:37 PM
cubanstogie
"i am confident with the people obama will surround himself with."

that was a quote from Tony hipcheese in August of 2008. Exactly who has he surrounded himself with that gives you confidence.


tony hipchest
nice try cuban. that was a prediction. none of those people were appointed in aug. 08.

It was a prediction, but it was also THE excuse Tony used to explain why he had no problem supporting a candidate who was incredibly inexperienced and whose qualifications were questionable at best.

Kaeg
04-17-2009, 09:09 PM
I gave a D. Maybe just because it's too early for an F yet.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-18-2009, 07:17 PM
I gave a D. Maybe just because it's too early for an F yet.

So? At least you are giving him a chance!

SteelCurtain7
04-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Let's HOPE and CHANGE that grade!!!!!!!!! :rofl: All hail the Obamanchurian Candidate!!!!!!

Dino 6 Rings
04-20-2009, 11:27 AM
Troops Home Yet?

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Troops Home Yet?

No I'm not home yet...it won't happen in his first year or his last. Troops will always be overseas or deployed because the USA loves to keep the peace. So that's not a valid reason to give him an F. Seriously, are most of you just Obama haters because it's the thing to do for most white people? How can you judge anybody in their line of work when you don't know what he's really supposed to do?

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 03:49 PM
No I'm not home yet...it won't happen in his first year or his last. Troops will always be overseas or deployed because the USA loves to keep the peace. So that's not a valid reason to give him an F. Seriously, are most of you just Obama haters because it's the thing to do for most white people?
Awesome! I love dealing with non-white racists!
How can you judge anybody in their line of work when you don't know what he's really supposed to do?

How can you judge one person based on the assumption that they're white? How can you judge one person as if that one person represents an entire community of a given race, nationality, religion or sex?

Get over yourself. There's one race and that's mankind. Anybody who begs to differ is a racist. Until such time that you (and everyone else) get's on board with this, "racism" will continue to be an issue.

From one Soldier to...well I'm not sure what you are...you, give the race card a rest. In your last two posts you've mentioned it as if it is an important issue. It wouldn't be an important issue if you didn't make it one...and wouldn't let other's make it one either. And if you think for one second that because I'm white that I haven't been discriminated against, tell that to the insurance company who hired an African American in a position I was (and still am to this day) better qualified for, in order to meet their "demographics."

Dino 6 Rings
04-24-2009, 05:08 PM
No I'm not home yet...it won't happen in his first year or his last. Troops will always be overseas or deployed because the USA loves to keep the peace. So that's not a valid reason to give him an F. Seriously, are most of you just Obama haters because it's the thing to do for most white people? How can you judge anybody in their line of work when you don't know what he's really supposed to do?

HA HA HA HA HA! Pure Comedy Gold.

How about the fact he LIED about bringing troops home and KNEW that it wasn't something he could do without causing Chaos in the world! and actually made fun of McCain for the "hundred years" comment made about the Troops in Iraq.

Troops Home Yet? No, No they aren't. Why? Because he Lied.

As for mentioning anything about Race and why I don't like B.O., It has nothing to do with Race and everything to do with his Personal Beliefs. You can go ahead and read all my posts in the Locker Room including the Bashing of B.O. that I've done. Find me Race in it, and I'll mail you a cookie.

Nope, Not a fan.

But you're funny. That's good stuff.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:54 PM
Awesome! I love dealing with non-white racists!


How can you judge one person based on the assumption that they're white? How can you judge one person as if that one person represents an entire community of a given race, nationality, religion or sex?

Get over yourself. There's one race and that's mankind. Anybody who begs to differ is a racist. Until such time that you (and everyone else) get's on board with this, "racism" will continue to be an issue.

From one Soldier to...well I'm not sure what you are...you, give the race card a rest. In your last two posts you've mentioned it as if it is an important issue. It wouldn't be an important issue if you didn't make it one...and wouldn't let other's make it one either. And if you think for one second that because I'm white that I haven't been discriminated against, tell that to the insurance company who hired an African American in a position I was (and still am to this day) better qualified for, in order to meet their "demographics."

Let me clarify before your head explodes...when I say "most", I mean most of the people I've come across.

It's physically impossible for me to get over myself...I'm with me everyday. Seriously, Racism will always be an issue...there will always be people who don't believe other races aren't as good as them. All that human race talk is for the birds...I'm not racist but I'm not naive either. So I made race an important issue, huh? Not all of the other sly comments...ok...you got it. And if you think that because I'm black that I think that we're the only ones to get discriminated against, you're wrong. I'm a realist...I know about affirmitive action. I also know it wouldn't have come about if it weren't for races other than white getting passed over for jobs. But let me stop telling the truth because it makes me racist and use the race card :blah:

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:57 PM
HA HA HA HA HA! Pure Comedy Gold.

How about the fact he LIED about bringing troops home and KNEW that it wasn't something he could do without causing Chaos in the world! and actually made fun of McCain for the "hundred years" comment made about the Troops in Iraq.

Troops Home Yet? No, No they aren't. Why? Because he Lied.

As for mentioning anything about Race and why I don't like B.O., It has nothing to do with Race and everything to do with his Personal Beliefs. You can go ahead and read all my posts in the Locker Room including the Bashing of B.O. that I've done. Find me Race in it, and I'll mail you a cookie.

Nope, Not a fan.

But you're funny. That's good stuff.

Thanks...lol. But I don't want a cookie...how about my 40 acres and a mule that was promised to my ancestors (I'm just kidding)

MACH1
04-24-2009, 06:12 PM
Thanks...lol. But I don't want a cookie...how about my 40 acres and a mule that was promised to my ancestors (I'm just kidding)

Where's my house payments that were promised, yep that's what I thought, it's a Lie.

SteelersinCA
04-24-2009, 06:13 PM
I'd be happy with just $8 more a week at this point.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 06:27 PM
Where's my house payments that were promised, yep that's what I thought, it's a Lie.

lol Where's my reparations?

SteelersinCA
04-24-2009, 06:28 PM
lol Where's my reparations?

Who promised those?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-24-2009, 06:36 PM
All l know that Obama was being criticized for trying to do TOO MUCH! not something bush was ever accused of...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/bush-spent-487-days-at-ca_n_158902.html

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 06:40 PM
Who promised those?

I was joking but that's where the 40 acres and a mule comes from. Slaves were promised reparations after the Civil War. They were supposed to get 40 acres and a mule to help them get by after Lincoln freed the slaves. The next president gave back the land that was given to the slaves though. Typical! lol

HometownGal
04-24-2009, 09:42 PM
All l know that Obama was being criticized for trying to do TOO MUCH! not something bush was ever accused of...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/bush-spent-487-days-at-ca_n_158902.html

But, but, but, but Bush. :yawn:

What really has The Savior done other than screw up the economy even more than it already is, flip flop on campaign promises, adopt GWB policies that he himself called "failures" and introduce his great plan to put our grandchildren and their children into debt for decades? :doh:

And if you think that because I'm black that I think that we're the only ones to get discriminated against, you're wrong.

I also know it wouldn't have come about if it weren't for races other than white getting passed over for jobs.

http://www.nowayobama.com/Images/obamaRaceCard.jpg

Hines0wnz
04-26-2009, 11:30 PM
All l know that Obama was being criticized for trying to do TOO MUCH! not something bush was ever accused of...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/bush-spent-487-days-at-ca_n_158902.html

Citing the Huffer Post is instant FAIL. :coffee:

revefsreleets
04-27-2009, 08:15 AM
All l know that Obama was being criticized for trying to do TOO MUCH! not something bush was ever accused of...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/bush-spent-487-days-at-ca_n_158902.html

Here's the major problem with that (without reading Huffungton, which is a joke): Obama will end up taking on SO much that it will be impossible to actually properly concentrate on any of these issues, and it's likely he will fail on every front (to use a war analogy).

He's dividing his time and effort and energy and resources so widely that he's thin at every position, and there will not be enough concentrated energy on any one of these issues to get any job done right. It'll be like a surgeon opening up 10 different incisions on a patient and trying to do 10 different operations at once. The patient will surely die...why not start with the WORST ailment, direct his utmost attention to that malady, and when that's taken care of, move to the next priority on the list?

It's quite likely that he'll just end up making everything worse.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 05:05 PM
It's kinda like "Jack of all trades, Master of none."

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 05:16 PM
It's kinda like "Jack of all trades, Master of none."

It's worse. I've worked (professionally) as a Drywaller, roofer, sider, window replacer and basement finisher. I worked for a couple of months in each area (all but the Siding job was with the same guy/company) to get proficient at it. After a year of working there, I was moved around to where the work was at at that moment. If we were short on roofing jobs, I was on the siding team. If siding was slow, some of those guys joined me on the roofing team. When winter hit, we did some basement finishing and "replacement" jobs (patch a roof, siding, fix a window, etc...)

Anytime my friends need that kind of stuff done, they know they can call me and I'll do a more than serviceable job. Not only that, it's at a significantly reduced rate.

However, it looks as if Obama is spreading himself so thin that he could be (bipartisan politics aside) absolutely useless in all of the tasks he's taking on. At some point in time, he'll have to quit taking on new projects and finishing old ones. It looks good early on that he's trying so hard...but to what end?

55BaileyFan
04-30-2009, 08:45 PM
F...F...F

JEFF4i
04-30-2009, 09:12 PM
A...A...A

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 09:58 PM
F...F...FAnd thus, we must roll our eyes at you.

A...A...A
And you.

Grades with no explanation. C'mon boys, play along. At least give some made up information to go along with it.

JEFF4i
04-30-2009, 10:12 PM
And thus, we must roll our eyes at you.


And you.

Grades with no explanation. C'mon boys, play along. At least give some made up information to go along with it.


:chuckle::rofl:

Its just fun being argumentative without giving reasons, :D

I give him an I, for Incomplete. Obvious reasons.

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 10:36 PM
:chuckle::rofl:

Its just fun being argumentative without giving reasons, :D

I give him an I, for Incomplete. Obvious reasons.

:flap: But two "I's don't make a right. Or (in keeping with your tradition) I...I...I

JEFF4i
04-30-2009, 10:59 PM
:flap: But two "I's don't make a right. Or (in keeping with your tradition) I...I...I

See, and they said all Browns fans were stupid.

Not all of them.

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 11:33 PM
See, and they said all Browns fans were stupid.

Not all of them.

And yet, you haven't declared me as one of the "non-stupid" fans...just inferred as such. Should I feel insulted? :flap:

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
04-30-2009, 11:43 PM
T for Teleprompter

B for Babbling Idiot without a teleprompter

or E for Eloquent Reader with a teleprompter

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 11:50 PM
O- for old

Y- for :yawn:

SteelersinCA
05-01-2009, 01:15 AM
This thread makes me appreciate Tim Lumber.:couch:

Vincent
05-01-2009, 07:13 AM
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obama-nwo.jpg

Why do we call marxists "progressive"?

HometownGal
05-01-2009, 07:16 AM
I give him an I. Obvious reasons.

OMG - I'm agreeing with a Lib! :jawdrop: I give him an "I" as well - for Idiot. Obvious reasons. :chuckle: