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surcalifero
04-10-2009, 09:11 PM
I was wondering today about the nfl draft. Do players in the draft have a right to turn down the team that selects them or does it have to always end up in a trade. The one that comes to mind is Eli Manning not wanting to go to the Chargers and it is easier to find a trade earlier in the first couple of rounds. But let say if there is a player in the seventh round that gets selected by the NY Giants and the football player doesn't like the limelight and refuses to get drafted by that team. Does he lose his eligibility to get drafted or can he wait until another team selects him.

tony hipchest
04-10-2009, 10:10 PM
like you say, i think he "loses his eligibility" to get drafted.

once a player is selected, the team has exclusive rights. his only chance of recourse is to sit out the entire season and re-enter the draft the following year.

im pretty sure on this. good question though.

theres lots of talk of detroit simply bypassing the 1st pick altogether and letting other teams choose before them to save money on a #1 pick who may not be worth $40 mil guaranteed (stafford or curry).

MasterOfPuppets
04-10-2009, 10:54 PM
actually tony, i don't think they re enter the draft the following year . i believe they just sit out the year, then they're just considerd free agaents the following year.

tony hipchest
04-10-2009, 11:12 PM
good point. maybe im getting confused by the verbiage but wouldnt it be like a practice squad player (i think) where a potential wanting team gets the first right of refusal based on lowest record ( which is pretty much the draft order)?

from my understanding you are not officially a 'free agent" until you actually sign a deal, or 32 teams pass on you in 7 rounds of a draft in your 1st year of eligibility.

MasterOfPuppets
04-10-2009, 11:35 PM
good point. maybe im getting confused by the verbiage but wouldnt it be like a practice squad player (i think) where a potential wanting team gets the first right of refusal based on lowest record ( which is pretty much the draft order)?

from my understanding you are not officially a 'free agent" until you actually sign a deal, or 32 teams pass on you in 7 rounds of a draft in your 1st year of eligibility.

as you said...drafting the player gives the team your nfl rights for 1 year. after that year, the player , i would think is no different in the eyes of the nfl as you or I, or carlton haselrig. i'd think you would just be a walk on....

KeiselPower99
04-10-2009, 11:41 PM
Actually Bo Jackson did that back in 86. He was drafted by Tampa and refused to sign. So he played baseball that year and entered the 87 draft where the Raiders took him.

MasterOfPuppets
04-10-2009, 11:51 PM
Actually Bo Jackson did that back in 86. He was drafted by Tampa and refused to sign. So he played baseball that year and entered the 87 draft where the Raiders took him.
but do they have to enter the draft ? or can they sign as a walk on ?

tony hipchest
04-10-2009, 11:52 PM
Actually Bo Jackson did that back in 86. He was drafted by Tampa and refused to sign. So he played baseball that year and entered the 87 draft where the Raiders took him.and i pretty much base "my understanding" on listening to pat kirwan (who was on the tampa squad that drafted bo).

just listening to jim miller and ross tucker today sub for pat and tim on MTC they said if stafford was drafted and sat out, he could be the #1 pick next year. (a single point that i doubt). ::hunch:

tony hipchest
04-11-2009, 12:07 AM
or can they sign as a walk on ?that would make them an UDFA. i think they are throwm back in the draft to give the waeker teams that first right of refusal. :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2009, 01:13 AM
http://www.ehow.com/about_4778601_nfl-draft-eligibility-rules.html

Holdout Eligibility
Players selected in the NFL draft are offered contracts by the teams that selected them. Compensation varies significantly depending on draft order and position. The higher a player is selected the more they are paid. Skill positions like quarterback demand higher compensation than positions like lineman. If the player and team cannot agree on a contract, the player can hold out and refuse to play. If this goes on for the entire season, the player is eligible to enter the draft again the following year.

it says they CAN re-enter the draft, but do they have too? it appears teams that draft a player that goes to another league holds thier rights indefenitly ( hershal walker, joe thiesman, etc), so why would refusal players get a do over ? does the drafting team get compensation ? i want answers dammit !!!

tony hipchest
04-11-2009, 01:55 AM
http://www.ehow.com/about_4778601_nfl-draft-eligibility-rules.html


it says they CAN re-enter the draft, but do they have too? !!

no.

they have every right to go out on the "free market" and see what their physical education degree will earn them as a shelf stocker at lowes or home depot.

seriously though... this sounds like a CBA issue. im thinking their only avenue into the league is either 1) through the draft or as 2) an UDFA.

im not sure. this is a good discussion.

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2009, 02:37 PM
no.

they have every right to go out on the "free market" and see what their physical education degree will earn them as a shelf stocker at lowes or home depot.

seriously though... this sounds like a CBA issue. im thinking their only avenue into the league is either 1) through the draft or as 2) an UDFA.

im not sure. this is a good discussion.
was antonio gates name ever in the draft hat ? :noidea:

After being told by scouts that he was too much of a “tweener” (6′4″) to make the NBA, Gates arranged a workout in front of NFL scouts. As many as 19 teams were believed to have contacted Gates about a try out. Gates chose to work out first for the San Diego Chargers. Recognizing his enormous potential, the Chargers immediately signed him to a contract as an undrafted free agent.

tony hipchest
04-12-2009, 06:50 PM
was antonio gates name ever in the draft hat ? :noidea:lol. it depends... is there an actual hat?

i would guess it depends on if a player "declares for the draft" and hires an agent or choses to represent himself.

being that he wasnt drafted (UDFA), he has automatic right to sign with whichever team he whishes.

assuming he were drafted, it looks like he gives up those rights and must sit out to re-enter the draft the following year.

xfl2001fan
04-12-2009, 07:31 PM
http://www.ehow.com/about_4778601_nfl-draft-eligibility-rules.html


it says they CAN re-enter the draft, but do they have too? it appears teams that draft a player that goes to another league holds thier rights indefenitly ( hershal walker, joe thiesman, etc), so why would refusal players get a do over ? does the drafting team get compensation ? i want answers dammit !!!

I think that means they have the choice of going through another draft...or signing on with another league outside the NFL. Once they've played professionally, then I think they are considered free agents, whether that professional league is arena, canadian or w/e.

RoethlisBURGHer
04-15-2009, 05:06 AM
Once a player is drafted, that team holds the contractual rights to that player for one year.

They can sign the player to a contract, trade the contractual rights to another team, or outright release the contractual rights making the player a free agent.

If the player refuses to sign a contract with the team that drafted him, he sits out the season and re-enters the draft.

If he plays professionally in another league (Canadian, Arena, etc.) instead of signing with the team that drafted him....the team that drafted him holds his NFL contractual rights for the same year. However after that year, he becomes a free agent and can sign with any NFL team he wants.

That is how I have always understood it at least.