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HAWK
05-01-2009, 12:14 PM
Look, I'm not happy Bush squandered it either. I don't get that about Obama supporters, if you criticize him you are automatically a Bush supporter. :noidea: Anyway, I would imagine if you were unhappy about Bush squandering it, you would be even more unhappy about Obama squandering it further than Bush and everyone else combined? Sort of like if you are angry the Steelers lose 1 game, you would be even angrier if they lost 16 or 43.

I'm honestly not sure yet. Over 40% of the so-called "stimulus" plan is in the form of tax cuts. So we're really not talking about "real" money per se. But I know that could turn out to be just semantics. I'm disappointed with Bush because he ignored the early warning signs in the housing market as early as 2001-2004 by doing little or nothing. I understand so many are afraid of governmental control of every aspect of our lives...but that doesn't change that fact that systems do require oversight. Bush didn't cause the problem, but he didn't try either IMO. When you consider the Iraq spending, Haliburton, $80 billion here, $80 billion there, etc., etc., it pisses me off because I expected better from him. Of course he is a Texan, maybe that was it ;)

I hope for all of our sakes that Obama pulls this off effectively. Right now both sides are reeling and pissed off at each other. Both parties are acting like children. The conservative media is constantly crying and the liberal media isn't handeling victory to well/maturely either.

Meanwhile, China's economy is growing in leaps and bounds collecting on decade old debts here in the US. One day I believe this country we will mostly controlled by foreign interests. And that's both parties' fault. And it makes me sick. Meanwhile, to even mention something like that is considered paranoia. 20-30 years ago Chinese investors were silent partners in many US companies, Today they control major share-holds in so much of our real estate and corporate structures. Something needs to be done. But I'm not sure one man can un-do it at this point. Of course we Americans believe it will never happen to us.

Can Obama fix it? Probably not. But for our children and grandchildren's sakes I surely hope so.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-01-2009, 02:57 PM
:toofunny:

100% clueless.

anyways, i really dont give 2 shits about your thoughts on the issue. im much more interested in what our resident "3rd grade textbook" historian has to say.

thanks for playing though.

:coffee: next

*actually embarrassed for you to actually try to give an excuse for willingly let AIDS run loose in an attempt to kill of americans*

You really are a piece of work. Because I disagree with you, I am clueless? Right, that makes perfect sense.

Seems quite a few people agree that AIDS is avoidable, you my friend are the one that is clueless. :coffee:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/past/prevention.html

55BaileyFan
05-01-2009, 03:12 PM
Obama hates whitey...the end!!!

HAWK
05-01-2009, 03:43 PM
And it's become obvious that whitey hate him too.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 06:03 PM
.................................................. ..:pity:

You really are a piece of work. Because I disagree with you, I am clueless? Right, that makes perfect sense.

:toofunny:

not cause you disagree with me, but the fact that reading comprehension failed you is what makes you 100% clueless. you werent even alive in the time i referenced.

and thanks for the link that goes 1 step further to show you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

HIV is one of the most deadly viruses humankind has ever faced. But it has one weakness; it's an infectious disease that can be blocked by relatively basic measures, including:


Using condoms and clean needles
Protecting the blood supply
Testing and giving antiretroviral medicine to expectant mothers


Although it's been known for years that this is how AIDS can be stopped, 30 million people worldwide have already died and 40 million people are now living with HIV. In the absence of aggressive prevention programs, it's estimated there will be at least 40 million new infections over the next decade.

yet you think ignoring it in the 80's was a good idea. :doh:

absolutely clueless. :applaudit:

good job! you sure told me. :thumbsup:

HometownGal
05-01-2009, 06:05 PM
And it's become obvious that whitey hate him too.

I don't believe that most of us here who aren't impressed with Obaaaaaama feel the way they do because of the color of his skin. That would be very shallow indeed.

I dislike the guy because I never believed him to be competent as a candidate to hold the highest office in the land and with each passing day, he is proving me right. His core platform is also diametrically opposite of mine and he's showing himself to be a total hypocrite by adopting many of the policies of his predecessor that he himself admonished during his campaign.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 06:11 PM
he's showing himself to be a total hypocrite by adopting many of the policies of his predecessor that he himself admonished during his campaign.

but being that you supported the failed policies under bush, and would continue to do so if it was a republicain president adopting them, doesnt that also make you guys hypocrytical in admonishing him now?

:tap:

xfl2001fan
05-01-2009, 07:16 PM
but being that you supported the failed policies under bush, and would continue to do so if it was a republicain president adopting them, doesnt that also make you guys hypocrytical in admonishing him now?

:tap:

Only if we believed those were failed policies, or that we admonished those policies. However, admonishing the hypocrisy is something entirely different.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 07:21 PM
I am a conservative because I believe people are generally good and I believe freedom, liberty, competition and free markets are a better solution than those imposed by government.

Now that I have answered your question, will you explain why you are a liberal?....... :drink: well, since you asked nicely, instead of demanding and berating that i do so....

there is alot to address in your post. right now, i will have to offer up the cliff notes version.

for one, you are no longer separating capitalists from politicians and govt. this is an important step for us to even have a discussion because all of our elected officials are capitalist's in one way or the other. look at all the businessmen, entertainers, lawyers, actors, teachers, average joes, etc who are elected officials.

ironically, our elected official pay scale is almost marxist. all congressmen get paid the same. good ones get paid the same as the bad ones. the go getters get paid as much as the slackers, and as i have said before it is ironic the white house chef gets 1/3 the salary as the leader of the free world.

no wonder corruption and greed seep into politics. where theres a will, theres a way, and that way is a golden road through washington, paved by lobbyists. i dont think the founding fathers anticipated such national influence from these people.

which brings me to my next point and the crux of my answer-

you have sited the constitution and our founding fathers. let me take you to a sentence which sums it up for me, and i have believed for a longtime was a turning point for not only human evolution, but completely changed the entire history of the world.

The quotation "All men are created equal..." is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents, as the idea it expresses is generally considered the foundation of American government (however it is only part of the entire sentence relating to equality). Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the Declaration of Independence as a rebuttal to the going political theory of the day: the Divine Right of Kings.

The opening of the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, states as follows:

“ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.





The same sentiment appears in the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780, which predates the U.S. Constitution by seven years, and was the first of its kind in the world.
“ Article I. All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness. ”

The year 1780 also marks the first time in America that such wording was used to successfully argue against slavery in a court of law: Brom and Bett vs. Ashley.


and heres the kicker

Some[who?] feel these statements illustrate the idea of natural rights, a philosophical concept of the Enlightenment; many of the ideas in the Declaration were borrowed from the English liberal political philosopher John Locke. Locke, however, referred to "life, liberty and Property" rather than the pursuit of happiness.

many of our founding fathers were students of and followers of his "radical" philosophy, which in no way resembles the liberalism you compare to socialism/marxism/communism.

there are many personal connections i felt to locke even before studying him in philosophy and sociology, back in college (he was irritated by all the bs undergraduate filler courses just as i was). it turned out we shared many of the same interests in life. the fact that he was a doctor who shifted to trying to save/heal/teach and influence lives on a much grander scale is another thing ive always appreciated. being that alot of his views have also shaped those of republicans, i guess you could say that today he would just be labeled as a "moderate".

strangely enough "john locke" on the tv show "lost" was named after the philosopher, and easilly the coolest most intriguing character i could relate with (although ive pretty much quit following the show a few years ago).

the only reason i registered as a democrat was so i could vote for clinton in the primaries as he was the better candidate. i voted for a republicain governor the same year because he was the best candidate. i know many here just walk into the booth, hit the "straight ticket button" and quickly leave.

i could go on and on... but i think i have given enough support of my position w/o REALLY getting too personal about my own life.

i can respect/support/accept you for what you are. if you cant do the same because i voted for obama, then good riddance in my book. :noidea:

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Only if we believed those were failed policies, or that we admonished those policies. However, admonishing the hypocrisy is something entirely different.so, either you guys can finally admit that they were failed policies and all the critisizm was justified and there is no evil leftist media bias...

OR, you all loved the policies and secretly loved the fact that obama is adopting them, but loath yourselves so much for admitting it, that your only option to feel better is to pretend you hate him, and lash out at obama and anyone who supported him.

while it is exactly what i suspected, its glad to see someone actually come around and finally admit it.

you guys really think he is doing as good of a job as anyone on your side of the aisle could do, but are to ashamed to actually admit it.

:thumbsup:

:muhaha:

HometownGal
05-01-2009, 07:46 PM
but being that you supported the failed policies under bush, and would continue to do so if it was a republicain president adopting them, doesnt that also make you guys hypocrytical in admonishing him now?

:tap:

Obviously, the "failed policies" can't be considered "failures" if The Savior is flip-flopping on his campaign promises to rid the country of the failures of the evil-doer Bush by incorporating those VERY SAME POLICIES. :doh:

But, but, but Bush. :coffee:

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 07:56 PM
Obviously, the "failed policies" can't be considered "failures" if The Savior is flip-flopping on his campaign promises to rid the country of the failures of the evil-doer Bush by incorporating those VERY SAME POLICIES. :doh:

But, but, but Bush. :coffee:
so you admit that obama is really doing a bang up job by adopting policies that werent a failure?

and, therfore admit that what obama is doing is FAR less radical than what mccain was proposing to do? (dont forget, your candidate was distancing himself as far from bush as possible and proposing "real change" too.)

....and the hypocracy thickens.

in other words, republicans will support anything a republican candidate does, but will oppose if a democrat does the EXACT same thing (regardless if right or wrong).

:noidea:

GBMelBlount
05-01-2009, 08:27 PM
tony hipchest

let me take you to a sentence which sums it up for me,

“ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.......

“ Article I. All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness. ”

So are you saying this/these best sums up your beliefs?

X-Terminator
05-01-2009, 08:46 PM
so you admit that obama is really doing a bang up job by adopting policies that werent a failure?

and, therfore admit that what obama is doing is FAR less radical than what mccain was proposing to do? (dont forget, your candidate was distancing himself as far from bush as possible and proposing "real change" too.)

....and the hypocracy thickens.

in other words, republicans will support anything a republican candidate does, but will oppose if a democrat does the EXACT same thing (regardless if right or wrong).

:noidea:

Yeah, and the same goes for Democrats too, since after all they are now embracing those very policies that Obama was so steadfastly against during the campaign. :noidea:

See, it works both ways.

Bottom line is that more than anything else, Obama has shown that he's nothing more than your run-of-the-mill politician who will say and do absolutely anything to get elected, then turn around and do the exact opposite. Not the "savior" that all of his supporters think he is/trumpet him up to be. If they had any consistency or ounce of bipartanship, they would be criticizing him for adopting those policies the same as they did Bush.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 08:57 PM
So are you saying this/these best sums up your beliefs?since i know how you love to nitpick on a single sentence, perhaps i shoudve said "...which should sum it up for you."

not to get all into semantics but by using the word "sum" i equated it to "add" meaning that is really all i wish to "add" to the discussion at this point.

i have thousands of thoughts on hundereds of thousands of subjects, so realistically, 2-3 thoughts or sentences arent gonna "sum" up all my "beliefs" the way you are thinking.

and this, my friend, is why we are at an impass. :drink:

i could easilly say the philosophies of st. peter and the aposle paul both "sum" up my beliefs, but they both vehemently disagreed with eachother on certain issues.

if you dont understand the deeper meaning of that and cannot read between the lines, then there is not much left i can really say to you. im sure preacher (as much as we have been on the other side of the fence) knows where im coming from.

and i tend to side with his belief that we are inflicted with sin and therefore not inherently good and righteous.

there is only 1 path to righteousness and i dont believe you are born with it, nor does the govt give it to you. it cant be bought.... and it cant be sold (the concept of purgatory was a religious rackett).

with that being said, i have given you the definition of a liberal, and i have shown why i have no problem being labeled as one.

that should "sum" it up for you, because there is really nothing more i need to "add" or owe you.

you have about as good of a chance convincing me i am wrong, as you do convincing me that having the number of the beast tattoo'd on my forehead is a good idea and will help me out in "life".

and while you ponder that, think about these 3 famous quotes, while i elect to not to bitch about taxes (as much as i hate paying them as anyone else)-

"2 things are certain in life.... death and taxes"

"give unto ceasar what is ceasar"

"money is the root of all evil"

:wave:

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 09:07 PM
Yeah, and the same goes for Democrats too, since after all they are now embracing those very policies that Obama was so steadfastly against during the campaign. :noidea:

See, it works both ways.

Bottom line is that more than anything else, Obama has shown that he's nothing more than your run-of-the-mill politician who will say and do absolutely anything to get elected, then turn around and do the exact opposite. .democrats arent embracing them. that is just your perception. they are just supporting the man they voted for just like bush voters (me included) supported him, right or wrong.

i voted for a man to finish a war he started, even though, the cause of starting it turned out to be inherently wrong.

remember that old saying ones mom always taught us as children..."2 wrongs dont make a right?"

the childish actions of the sour conservatives on this board suggests their moms havent yet touched on that subject with them yet.

they are hellbent on "revenge" and i get it. they have vowed it. i will continue to laugh at it and call it out, for the next 7 years if that is what it takes.

see how it works both ways? :hug:

in other words, this is nothing more than a giant game of "i know you are, so what am i"

:coffee:

GBMelBlount
05-01-2009, 09:58 PM
tony hipchest
if you dont understand the deeper meaning of that and cannot read between the lines, then there is not much left i can really say to you.

tony hipchest
that should "sum" it up for you, because there is really nothing more i need to "add" or owe you.

For you to have to even qualify your statements as having deeper meaning and requiring reading between the lines indicates that you, as do others, realize that although you have written a lot, you have really said very little.

Whereas I am very clear, concise and direct, you are very vague and deceptive.

You are smart enough to realize that if you express your liberal beliefs in any way that is clear and concise, you will lose badly.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Whoooosh!!!!!!

For you to have to even qualify your statements as having deeper meaning and requiring reading between the lines indicates that you, as do others, realize that although you have written a lot, you have really said very little.

Whereas I am very clear, concise and direct, you are very vague and deceptive.

You are smart enough to realize that if you express your liberal beliefs in any way that is clear and concise, you will lose.

i see you are not well versed in biblical scripture nor the multiple layers in which it was written.

my bad. i thought you might get it.

you see, the bible was written with simple parables that even a child could understand, yet had much more deeper and complex meanings.

oh well. atleast i tried. :hunch:

so i have a question for you... why do you think the bible is "deceptive" just because simpletons dont get it?

:wave:

X-Terminator
05-01-2009, 10:12 PM
democrats arent embracing them. that is just your perception. they are just supporting the man they voted for just like bush voters (me included) supported him, right or wrong.

i voted for a man to finish a war he started, even though, the cause of starting it turned out to be inherently wrong.

remember that old saying ones mom always taught us as children..."2 wrongs dont make a right?"

the childish actions of the sour conservatives on this board suggests their moms havent yet touched on that subject with them yet.

they are hellbent on "revenge" and i get it. they have vowed it. i will continue to laugh at it and call it out, for the next 7 years if that is what it takes.

see how it works both ways? :hug:

in other words, this is nothing more than a giant game of "i know you are, so what am i"

:coffee:

The thing is, not every conservative supported Bush. There were many who were very outspoken against him and distanced himself from him, especially in his last 2+ years. I'd even wager that every "sour conservative" on this board has some issue with Bush and his policies. But what you call "childish actions," I call it speaking out against policies that Obama is pushing that they don't believe in. It has very little to do with "revenge," though I know for some (not necessarily on this board) that IS what it's about, just like some liberals still can't get over the fact that Bush did NOT steal the election in 2000. If there are Democrats that do not, in fact, embrace everything that Obama is doing/has done, I'd like to see more of them speak up. It would do a lot for their credibility, IMO. But I also realize that I'd probably be better off asking Mike Brown NOT to draft thugs and felons.

HometownGal
05-01-2009, 10:36 PM
in other words, republicans will support anything a republican candidate does, but will oppose if a democrat does the EXACT same thing (regardless if right or wrong).

:noidea:

Quit putting words in my mouth that you know damned well aren't there. Not ONE of you Obaaaama groupies has ever answered a question with regard to The Savior directly - you all hit and run. Deflect, deflect and deflect some more. I love you to death, Tony, but it is beyond the point of nauseating anymore.

Why can't you get it through that hard head of yours that The Savior has outed himself as a hypocrite, liar and a complete fraud??? :doh: Obaaaaama admonished and ridiculed his predecessor's policies while singing "CHANGE" from the rooftops and then turned right around and adopted those same "failed policies" as his own. How much more freakin' hypocritical can one get????

It is you and your fellow Libs that won't man up and admit that YOU put this two carat phony into an office that he is far too underqualified to hold. Who suffers along with the rest of America? Those of us who weren't and aren't caught up in Obaaaaama's phoney baloney rhetoric, bullshit behind that fake smile and pie in the sky promises that anyone with a smidgeon of a brain cell knew he couldn't and wouldn't keep.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 10:36 PM
But what you call "childish actions," I call it speaking out against policies that Obama is pushing that they don't believe in. It has very little to do with "revenge," though I know for some (not necessarily on this board) that IS what it's about. :rolleyes: yeah, right. :thumbsup:

ahhhh.... its all so clear to me now!

speaking out against obama policies = good

speaking out against bush policies = bad

(regardless if they are the exact same policies.) :willy:


Me thinks the childish behaviors in this thread had better cease pronto or this thread is going to be locked.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 10:48 PM
Quit putting words in my mouth that you know damned well aren't there. .

:nono: i didnt put words in your mouth. i asked you a question (that i hoped you would actually address before the typical conservative spin and jump to conclusions) which you conviniently chose not to answer and edited out of your post that quoted mine.

i followed up the question with simple logic.

if a = b, and b = c, then a must = c. why can you guys not addres this, instead of resorting to the EXACT same hypocracy you accuse others of? :hunch:

i get it HTG. you hate all democrats. your disgust for them comes through with flying colors.

why even bother trying to paint it as anything else? i would atleast respect the hatred much more if you didnt try to sugar coat it as something else.

GBMelBlount
05-01-2009, 11:02 PM
Whoooosh!!!!!!

see, the bible was written with simple parables that even a child could understand, yet had much more deeper and complex meanings.

:wave:

Do the majority of people who read your post (that you're implying was on a child's level) now understand why you're a liberal? I doubt it. Try again.

It's not my fault you have problems being clear and concise. It is a reflection of the fact that you're afraid to be honest because you will be badly beaten.

I also think it's funny that I answered your loaded question clearly and directly and you don't have the balls to do the same.

How embarrassing.

I realize you will never give a clear and concise response to why you are a liberal.....because there really is no good reason, plus you are smart enough to know what will happen if you do....you will be badly beaten....we both know that and so does everyone on this board.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 11:10 PM
It's not my fault you have problems being clear and concise. It is a reflection of the fact that you're afraid to be honest because you will be badly beaten.

I also think it's funny that I answered your loaded question clearly and directly and you don't have the balls to do the same. Every time I stand toe to toe with and ask you simple questions you run away and deflect.

How embarrassing.

I realize you will never give a clear and concise response to why you are a liberal.....because you are smart enough to know what will happen if you do.

So let's ask a simple yes or no question. Are you in favor of socialized medicine in the United States?

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

:wave:

WHOOOOOSH!

the founding fathers are laughing their asses off at you.

good job! :thumbsup:

GBMelBlount
05-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Perhaps, but everybody on this board is laughing at you.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 11:32 PM
Perhaps, but everybody on this board is laughing at you.and im sure that makes them all feel better! :thumbsup:

:sofunny:
























:yawn:

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-02-2009, 01:39 AM
i have several questions for you.

why do you think our founding fathers would be deeply saddened with the abolition of slavery? they founded this nation with the intention and understanding that owning slaves was a natural part of life.

why do you think that genocide on naitve americans is a good thing for this country?

why do you aliagn yourself with the party that ushered in the great depression and allowed poor african americans to be used as scientific gunnea pigs in syphyllus experiments?

why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?

WHY are you a conservative? what do you believe about those platforms that are good for this country?

Because there are much more pressing issues than AIDS to deal with in our country. With only a few exceptions (blood transfusions, etc.), AIDS is 100% avoidable in America. Cancer, on the other hand, is not.

:toofunny:

100% clueless.

anyways, i really dont give 2 shits about your thoughts on the issue. im much more interested in what our resident "3rd grade textbook" historian has to say.

thanks for playing though.

:coffee: next

*actually embarrassed for you to actually try to give an excuse for willingly let AIDS run loose in an attempt to kill of americans*

You really are a piece of work. Because I disagree with you, I am clueless? Right, that makes perfect sense.

Seems quite a few people agree that AIDS is avoidable, you my friend are the one that is clueless. :coffee:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/past/prevention.html

.................................................. ..:pity:

:toofunny:

not cause you disagree with me, but the fact that reading comprehension failed you is what makes you 100% clueless. you werent even alive in the time i referenced.

and thanks for the link that goes 1 step further to show you dont know what the hell you are talking about.



yet you think ignoring it in the 80's was a good idea. :doh:

absolutely clueless. :applaudit:

good job! you sure told me. :thumbsup:

You accuse people of picking and choosing when they quote you to twist your words, so I have quoted you in your entirety on this subject.

Please show me where in any of your posts (besides the most recent one that was a reply to my most recent one) that you referenced a time that I wasn't even alive for. Please show me where my reading comprehension has failed.

Excuse me, but I know exactly what I am talking about. As someone who has and will again volunteer in an AIDS clinic (to beef up my resume to get into Pharmacy school if you must know), and has taken many courses in Human Anatomy and Physiology, Bio-Chemistry, and Infections Disease, I would say I have a little experience on the subject. I merely stated that there are more pressing health concerns than AIDS that are not easily preventable/avoidable like AIDS (as my link clearly stated).

You really don't need to be such a jackass all the time. It's like if someone disagrees with you they are your enemy. You have shown yourself to be unable to have a discussion without being a smartass and trying to make me say things I haven't said, or saying you said things which you haven't to try and make a point.

tony hipchest
05-02-2009, 02:52 AM
You accuse people of picking and choosing when they quote you to twist your words, so I have quoted you in your entirety on this subject.

Please show me where in any of your posts (besides the most recent one that was a reply to my most recent one) that you referenced a time that I wasn't even alive for. Please show me where my reading comprehension has failed.

Excuse me, but I know exactly what I am talking about. As someone who has and will again volunteer in an AIDS clinic (to beef up my resume to get into Pharmacy school if you must know), and has taken many courses in Human Anatomy and Physiology, Bio-Chemistry, and Infections Disease, I would say I have a little experience on the subject. I merely stated that there are more pressing health concerns than AIDS that are not easily preventable/avoidable like AIDS (as my link clearly stated).

You really don't need to be such a jackass all the time. It's like if someone disagrees with you they are your enemy. You have shown yourself to be unable to have a discussion without being a smartass and trying to make me say things I haven't said, or saying you said things which you haven't to try and make a point.

LMAO.

yeah, as a pre-med student i took the same courses, and will readilly admit i only completed 2 courses of post graduate study in med school (2 courses that i aced and recieved the highest grades in all my college).

you are what? 23 -24 years old? i referenced a crucial time of the AIDS epidemic time between about '82-'86. were you born then???? did your lack of reading comprehension skills lead you to believe i was talking about today? :busted:

sure, aids is about 100% avoidable now.... but how was it then when nobody knew the many ways it could even be contracted????

sorry if you feel me proving you wrong makes you feel like i am a jackass.

the fact is you ARE wrong, yet only have an opinion that i am a jackass.

you have really only shown 2 revealing traits to me since youve joined this board.
1) you really wish you could get away with posting monkey pictures in reference to our president.
2) you support the ideology of letting AIDS run rampant as a means of exterminating homosexuals and IV drug users.

yet you personally attack me by calling me me a jackass??? :toofunny:

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-02-2009, 03:05 AM
LMAO.

yeah, as a pre-med student i took the same courses, and will readilly admit i only completed 2 courses of post graduate study in med school (2 courses that i aced and recieved the highest grades in all my college).

you are what? 23 -24 years old? i referenced a crucial time of the AIDS epidemic time between about '82-'86. were you born then???? did your lack of reading comprehension skills lead you to believe i was talking about today? :busted:

sure, aids is about 100% avoidable now.... but how was it then when nobody knew the many ways it could even be contracted????

sorry if you feel me proving you wrong makes you feel like i am a jackass.

the fact is you ARE wrong, yet only have an opinion that i am a jackass.

you have really only shown 2 revealing traits to me since youve joined this board.
1) you really wish you could get away with posting monkey pictures in reference to our president.
2) you support the ideology of letting AIDS run rampant as a means of exterminating homosexuals and IV drug users.

yet you personally attack me by calling me me a jackass??? :toofunny:


It seems you are the one that lacks reading comprehension, you can't even remember what you posted yourself. Please point me to your post where it states to what time period you were referring to when on the subject of AIDS. You never "referenced" any time period at all. Or will you just avoid the question and deflect again?

Also, please show me where you have proven me wrong. I stated that AIDS is nearly 100% avoidable and backed that up with a link to facts supporting my argument. How does that make me wrong exactly? Given the fact that you agree that "aids is about 100% avoidable now", does that make you wrong as well?

If I wanted AIDS to run rampant I would choose another place to volunteer work that an AIDS clinic. I could always work at the VA, which I might do next time.

Oh, and I did post monkey pictures by the way. I was just afraid of being labeled a racist. Since it is O.K. to compare a white man to a monkey (ape technically), but not O.K. to compare a black man to the same monkey (ape).

Please either answer my questions or don't respond. Don't just skim over my post and pick and choose the points you would like to address.

tony hipchest
05-02-2009, 03:17 AM
It seems you are the one that lacks reading comprehension, you can't even remember what you posted yourself. Please point me to your post where it states to what time period you were referring to when on the subject of AIDS..ho-hum

And The Band Played On
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=35605&page=2

volunteer all you want, but i suggest you actually read up a bit on what it is you are actually volunteering for.

really though, its a long book so i just suggest atleast watching the movie. (great movie with an excellent cast) :thumbsup:

enjoy!

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-02-2009, 03:22 AM
ho-hum

And The Band Played On
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=35605&page=2

volunteer all you want, but i suggest you actually read up a bit on what it is you are actually volunteering for.

really though, its a long book so i just suggest atleast watching the movie. (great movie with an excellent cast) :thumbsup:

enjoy!

Exactly as I suspected, you can't admit you were wrong and just continue to dodge.

tony hipchest
05-02-2009, 03:29 AM
Exactly as I suspected, you can't admit you were wrong and just continue to dodge.:toofunny:

page 25 of this post...

or did you forget?

:toofunny:

why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?


yeah, i know. its a dirty little secret all the reagan worshippers would like to forget and younginz like you to never aknowledge.

enjoy your journey into ignorance bro, and keep up the volunteer work.

:thumbsup:

tony hipchest
05-02-2009, 03:35 AM
lol. I-Lack-Reading-Comprehension cant even recognize when he is reading through a historical timeline. :chuckle:

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-02-2009, 03:38 AM
:toofunny:

page 25 of this post...

or did you forget?

:toofunny:



yeah, i know. its a dirty little secret all the reagan worshippers would like to forget and younginz like you to never aknowledge.

enjoy your journey into ignorance bro, and keep up the volunteer work.

:thumbsup:

I can't even decipher what the hell your are talking about, maybe you should get a good nights rest and come back to this tomorrow? :toofunny:

You didn't admit you were wrong on pg. 25, nor did you "reference" a time period. :coffee:

This was never about "Reagan worshippers" or whatever you are on about. You got me into an argument because you said I was 100% clueless after I stated that AIDS is nearly 100% avoidable. I proved my point, and now that you are backed into a corner you are somehow trying to twist that around to say I "support the ideology of letting AIDS run rampant as a means of exterminating homosexuals and IV drug users."

That is really pathetic. You moan and complain about people doing exactly the same thing to you, but somehow it is acceptable for you to do it to me.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-02-2009, 03:40 AM
lol. I-Lack-Reading-Comprehension cant even recognize when he is reading through a historical timeline. :chuckle:

That's not comprehension, that's inference. Someone needs to consult Websters before starting an argument.

revefsreleets
05-02-2009, 07:48 AM
It's interesting to see how far from the tree this apple fell. Back on task (sort of):

The original intent of this thread was to critique the handling of Obama by the major media outlets by comparing and contrasting how his action/inaction is covered compared to how Bush was treated. I used a little sarcasm and shock value (which seems to have WHOOSHED right over a few posters heads).

The thread went off on some tangents, but the one that I'm finding particularly disturbing is the twisting of Obama adopting "failed Bush policies". Here's why it's a problem...

Obama campaigned against Bush and all his failed policies. He basically told the American people Bush was evil, stupid, bad, and wrong and that everything he did needed to be changed. Either Obama KNEW that to not be the case (unlikely) or he had no idea what he was talking about and was just saying what was politically expedient to get elected (far more likely).

The problem is NOT that he went on to adopt many, MANY of those same policies that were evil and wrong only a few months earlier. That was smart. The policies were sound, and he was just ignorant until educated about them. The problems are that the left cannot and will not acknowledge that Bush was originally right, they cannot and will not acknowledge that Obama at best flip-flopped, at worst lied, and they cannot and will not acknowledge that they are being hypocritical.

As an aside, I want to clarify that, yes, it is good and wise of Obama to, after learning that he was wrong about much of this stuff, to continue on with the strong and correct policies of Bush, but that does NOT clear him of his earlier "sins" of ignorance and "Bush bashing". Him, and his followers, probably owe Bush an apology, one that, given the high and haughty nature of the liberal left mentality, will never be forthcoming.

Twisting and spinning the truth won't help. It cannot and will not change the truth. This is a lot like the OJ verdict. Everyone KNOWS OJ did it, but some people have to, for their own reasons, defend the verdict. It doesn't change the fact that he murdered his wife, though...

GBMelBlount
05-02-2009, 08:32 AM
Obama campaigned against Bush and all his failed policies. He basically told the American people Bush was evil, stupid, bad, and wrong and that everything he did needed to be changed. Either Obama KNEW that to not be the case (unlikely) or he had no idea what he was talking about and was just saying what was politically expedient to get elected (far more likely).

The problem is NOT that he went on to adopt many, MANY of those same policies that were evil and wrong only a few months earlier. That was smart. The policies were sound, and he was just ignorant until educated about them. The problems are that the left cannot and will not acknowledge that Bush was originally right, they cannot and will not acknowledge that Obama at best flip-flopped, at worst lied, and they cannot and will not acknowledge that they are being hypocritical.

Exactly.

Instead of being able to acknowledge this, or intelligently and factually debate this this, our friends on the left continuously feel the need to stress their superior knowledge, education and intelligence.....

Why?

When someone has to continuously stress their superior intelligence, or state that they are smarter, as an integral part of their argument, it generally leads others to believe they are being beaten badly and are resorting to these tactics, ironically, because they lack the real intelligence to win the debate.

X-Terminator
05-02-2009, 08:51 AM
:nono: i didnt put words in your mouth. i asked you a question (that i hoped you would actually address before the typical conservative spin and jump to conclusions) which you conviniently chose not to answer and edited out of your post that quoted mine.

i followed up the question with simple logic.

if a = b, and b = c, then a must = c. why can you guys not addres this, instead of resorting to the EXACT same hypocracy you accuse others of? :hunch:

i get it HTG. you hate all democrats. your disgust for them comes through with flying colors.

why even bother trying to paint it as anything else? i would atleast respect the hatred much more if you didnt try to sugar coat it as something else.

You say you didn't put words in her mouth, then turn around and do exactly that. When has HTG EVER said she hated all democrats? And since when did disagreeing with The Great One turn into "hating democrats?" Talk about a leap of faith! How in the world could HTG hate democrats when A) she used to BE one, B) campaigned for one, and C) voted for MANY even after switching parties? She vehemently disagrees with Obama and many of his supporters. That DOES NOT mean she hates them. That's just a ridiculous notion, and you know it.

GBMelBlount
05-02-2009, 09:59 AM
You say you didn't put words in her mouth, then turn around and do exactly that. When has HTG EVER said she hated all democrats? And since when did disagreeing with The Great One turn into "hating democrats?" Talk about a leap of faith! How in the world could HTG hate democrats when A) she used to BE one, B) campaigned for one, and C) voted for MANY even after switching parties? She vehemently disagrees with Obama and many of his supporters. That DOES NOT mean she hates them. That's just a ridiculous notion, and you know it.

:applaudit:

HometownGal
05-02-2009, 01:13 PM
:nono: i didnt put words in your mouth. i asked you a question (that i hoped you would actually address before the typical conservative spin and jump to conclusions) which you conviniently chose not to answer and edited out of your post that quoted mine.

i followed up the question with simple logic.

if a = b, and b = c, then a must = c. why can you guys not addres this, instead of resorting to the EXACT same hypocracy you accuse others of? :hunch:

i get it HTG. you hate all democrats. your disgust for them comes through with flying colors.

why even bother trying to paint it as anything else? i would atleast respect the hatred much more if you didnt try to sugar coat it as something else.

Why in the bloody blue hell am I going to waste my time answering any of your questions when you'll spin and deflect my answers as you always do to me and others who disagree with you and don't worship at the Obaaaaaaama altar? :bowdown:

I'm not even going to address your other jibberish. It's the same old shit, different thread. Spin, deflect, spin, deflect, spin, deflect. :yawn: :coffee:

HAWK
05-02-2009, 01:39 PM
:popcorn: Wow...I'm gone for a few days and things get so juicy!! :popcorn:

xfl2001fan
05-02-2009, 01:47 PM
:popcorn: Wow...I'm gone for a few days and things get so juicy!! :popcorn:

Things move around here...gotta stay on your toes. It's like a regular Sopp Opera.

We shall call this show:

People With No Lives


:chuckle:

HometownGal
05-02-2009, 01:57 PM
Things move around here...gotta stay on your toes. It's like a regular Sopp Opera.

We shall call this show:

People With No Lives


:chuckle:

Or . . .

As The Stomach Turns.

Vincent
05-02-2009, 02:05 PM
Obama campaigned against Bush and "all his failed policies". He basically told the American people Bush was evil, stupid, bad, and wrong and that everything he did needed to be changed. Either Obama KNEW that to not be the case (unlikely) or he had no idea what he was talking about and was just saying what was politically expedient to get elected (far more likely).

By all left accounts BHO runs the show. He's just @#%$ing brilliant. Even writes his own speeches (that begs questions about the dependency on the teleprompter). Following that line, he fully knew the efficacy of many Booosh policies and just played on hollow sloganeering to an amazingly dumb electorate.

The problem is NOT that he went on to adopt many, MANY of those same policies that were evil and wrong only a few months earlier. That was smart. The policies were sound, and he was just ignorant until educated about them. The problems are that the left cannot and will not acknowledge that Bush was originally right, they cannot and will not acknowledge that Obama at best flip-flopped, at worst lied, and they cannot and will not acknowledge that they are being hypocritical. .

I think the larger problem is that bho lied about Boosh's "failed policies" to get elected, knowing full well he wouldn't get called on it by the "media" goons or his stupefyingly dumb supporters. No "flip-flop. Lies.

Hypocritical? Hypocracy has no play when your entire existence and body of words are lies. This isn't about truth or honor or integrity. This is about acquiring power and holding it

As an aside, I want to clarify that, yes, it is good and wise of Obama to, after learning that he was wrong about much of this stuff, to continue on with the strong and correct policies of Bush, but that does NOT clear him of his earlier "sins" of ignorance and "Bush bashing". Him, and his followers, probably owe Bush an apology, one that, given the high and haughty nature of the liberal left mentality, will never be forthcoming.

The left acknowledging their error, any error? That would require class that results from an existence and associated ideas they don't need to lie about in the first place. Thats why they have to crush opposition. Their "ideas" don't pass the muster of scrutiny. Noone would buy their bull@#$% on its merit. So they lie and seek to destroy anybody and anything that opposes them.

How incredible is it that the electorate gave even more seats to a majority that had an 8% approval rating? They didn't do that because of congress' performance. They did it because of what they were told. I always go by what they do, not by what they say.

I won't give bho the benefit of the doubt because he hasn't earned it. His "body of work", his associations, his personal history and his written and spoken words validate that position.

tony hipchest
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
lets clear this up for mr. buttinski:

i say-

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?

an obvious reference to the reagan administration turning a blind eye on an blatanly appearant epidemic. why is this reference so obvious? because america NO LONGER ignores AIDS nor views it as just a homosexual and drug user/haitian disease. JUST LIKE america no longer owns slaves, commits genocide on indians, denies treatment for poor blacks infected with STD's so doctors and scientists can watch how they die, etc....

you say-

Because there are much more pressing issues than AIDS to deal with in our country. With only a few exceptions (blood transfusions, etc.), AIDS is 100% avoidable in America. Cancer, on the other hand, is not.

:sofunny: you actually justified the reagan administration turning a blind eye, because they, too, thought there were "much more pressing issues to deal with".

SO, by your own words, it is appearant that EITHER a) you support ignoring AIDS as a means of exterminating unclean people, OR b) you clearly didnt comprehend or understand what you read when you so rudely decided to jump into the middle of and interrupt the grown-ups conversation.:footinmou

im backed into a corner? :toofunny: youre the one wearing the dunce cap. :scholar:

everybody knows that AIDS is now a controlled disiease (in america atleast) and the research and attempts to educate the masses has paid off. it isnt a level 5 on the threatometer. thanks. now you can sit there in your corner and watch and let the big boys play. :thumbsup:

Preacher
05-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Why in the bloody blue hell am I going to waste my time answering any of your questions when you'll spin and deflect my answers as you always do to me and others who disagree with you and don't worship at the Obaaaaaaama altar? :bowdown:

I'm not even going to address your other jibberish. It's the same old shit, different thread. Spin, deflect, spin, deflect, spin, deflect. :yawn: :coffee:


:rofl:


And then wants someone to take him series when HE is trying to make a point in political threads. That is the funniest thing of all.