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revefsreleets
04-13-2009, 09:26 AM
When the Red River Flooded in North Dakota, Obama never visited. There may be as many as 30,000 people left homeless, but no visit? Obama pledge to NOT repeat "The failures of the previous administration" reagrding this catastrophe. He declared 34 counties and (I believe) 2 Indian Reservations as federal diaster areas, but has, YET TO VISIT THE AREA'S.

Why not?

This is NOT a partisan attack. I am sincerely asking why it was so bad for Bush to VISIT New Orleans and it's okay for Obama to NOT visit N. Dakota?

(I'm going to gloss over the fact that the people of ND were out ahead of time working their butts off and helping each other, which minimized the damages and impact on home loss and human lives, in direct contrast with the complete lack of what occured in NO)

PisnNapalm
04-13-2009, 10:00 AM
Just me talking but... I never quite understood why it was so important for the president to be seen visiting a disaster area. It's just a photo op. What's he really gonna do while there? Grab a shovel and help clean up? No...

He can see how bad things are on a tv like the rest of us. He has people under him who coordinate the recovery.

I dunno... I'd think it's more important for FEMA to be there rather than the president.

revefsreleets
04-13-2009, 10:23 AM
That's another interesting observation. When Bush DID visit NO, it was deemed just a "photo op".

Ostensibly, then, when a GOP President visits a disaster area, it's bad, he doesn't care, he hates the victims, and he just wants a photo op, and when a Democratic does NOT visit a disaster area at all, it's....I guess perfectly okay?

Just confused here...

The_WARDen
04-13-2009, 11:02 AM
Nope...just stupid conservatives.
:laughing:

lilyoder6
04-13-2009, 11:17 AM
i guess since obama is black, that he gets some leeway

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-13-2009, 11:33 AM
i guess since obama is black, that he gets some leeway

I think it had to do more with Bush doing absolutely nothing with New Orleans!

GBMelBlount
04-13-2009, 11:58 AM
I think it had to do more with Bush doing absolutely nothing with New Orleans!

Are you aware of who REALLY dropped the ball? Or are you simply talking out of your partisan pie hole again? :wink02:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-13-2009, 12:04 PM
yes he hates white people. Infact, he hates his mohter and half of his family since they are all white..
Stupid?

trauben
04-13-2009, 12:08 PM
Just me talking but... I never quite understood why it was so important for the president to be seen visiting a disaster area. It's just a photo op.
For the most part I tend to agree with you. I never understood the "need" to have the sitting President go to every disaster area.

Now, 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, which were attacks from foreign enemies on US soil, that I can understand as requiring a visit from the President. But natural disasters? Without minimizing the impact that occurs with loss of lives and property during a lot of these, I don't necessarily agree that the Pres should be jumping in the plane to make a visit each time one of these occur. That is what the state's Governor should do with an acknowledging nod from the Pres from afar.

Just my :twocents:

GBMelBlount
04-13-2009, 12:15 PM
That is what the state's Governor should do with an acknowledging nod from the Pres from afar.

Just my :twocents:

I tend to agree. But please don't let the Blind, Bush Hating, Big Willie know that, OK?

revefsreleets
04-13-2009, 12:19 PM
I want to make sure that I'm reading this right here.

Bush was an idiot who hates black people because he didn't immediately hop on a plane during the disaster, but did eventually visit a few days later.

Obama is okay because it's actually stupid for the president to visit disaster sites? Although Bush was evil because he did not visit that disaster site?

And I'm stupid for bringing it up and pointing out the hypocrisy?

fansince'76
04-13-2009, 12:20 PM
Are you aware of who REALLY dropped the ball? Or are you simply talking out of your partisan pie hole again? :wink02:

How dare you try to pin any culpability for any of that on Mayor "Chocolate City" Nagin and the fine upstanding (former) Governor Blanco?!?!? It was all Bush's fault! He's the one who created the hurricane! I have photographic proof!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/41/119985284_f2095a4cbd_o.jpg
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
(Top Bush aides activating hurricane-making machine that resulted in Katrina)

trauben
04-13-2009, 02:10 PM
I want to make sure that I'm reading this right here.
I can't speak for the others, but with regards to me? No, I don't believe you read me correctly since you felt the need to includ all that stuff about Bush and Obama after it.

I was merely speaking, without reference to Bush or BO, towards the significance of Presidents visiting these sites at all.
Bush was an idiot who hates black people because he didn't immediately hop on a plane during the disaster, but did eventually visit a few days later.
Yes, I recall those attacks from the liberals back then, too, and I agree, they were completely unwarranted attacks.
And I'm stupid for bringing it up and pointing out the hypocrisy?
Stupid? No. I wouldn't use the word "stupid". How about "passionate"? You're definitely passionate on this subject. Give me the right time of day, the right mood, and the wrong company? I'm quite passionate myself on this topic. It is why I had to leave a certain family gathering this past Saturday when politics came up. I know how passionate I can become as well!
Obama is okay because it's actually stupid for the president to visit disaster sites? Although Bush was evil because he did not visit that disaster site?
If this was written because of my post? Identify your opponents correctly first.

I, for and on the record, did not vote for the junior, extremely inexperienced Senator who spent his short time as a Senator running for the Presidency before bothering to gain the necessary experience required to hold said office. I'd rather have gouged out my eyeballs with a rusty jagged spoon first before ever having 'considered' to vote for BO! :wave:

revefsreleets
04-13-2009, 02:12 PM
Wasn't even thinking about your post, let alone addressing you...

I'm pointing out the general hypocrisy. The minutiae doesn't matter to me...

Crushzilla
04-13-2009, 03:09 PM
God bless the infinite off-season.

Dino 6 Rings
04-13-2009, 03:57 PM
My two cents.

Obama does not hate White People or Native Americans.

Obama doesn't realize the job he's in isn't the kind of job that you can just "pretend at" twice a week. He is overwhelmed and under prepared for the task of POTUS. He clearly should have visited ND, as well as the recent Tornado areas. But he's too busy, picking out a dog, and giving speeches in Europe to understand that he Doesn't Get to Sleep, doesn't get to Rest, needs to be out there everyday showing his Love of America and Americans.

One could argue that Obama doesn't hate White people or Native Americans, but that Obama doesn't love Americans for who we are and where we come from Historically. He's too busy trying to make us in the image of Europe to care about our Current Affairs or Current Natural Disasters.

revefsreleets
04-13-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm not even that concerned about Obama. I'm mostly addressing the hypocrisy surrounding him...

Godfather
04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
Are you aware of who REALLY dropped the ball? Or are you simply talking out of your partisan pie hole again? :wink02:

EVERY level of government dropped the ball on both the immediate crisis and the recovery.

tony hipchest
04-13-2009, 09:07 PM
oh brother...

well this much we do know... bush loved the indians. so much so, that his grandpappy stole (graverobbed) geronimos skull and they rest of the bush clan who attended yale ceremoniously burned candles on it in satanic rituals.

:chuckle:

so i guess obama not going to flood zones is proof bush didnt hate black people? okay, but the race card being played by either side is/was pretty weak.

im almost 100% positive NOBODY POSTING ON THIS BOARD ever said bush hated black people.

more misdirected angst imo....

Preacher
04-13-2009, 09:27 PM
oh brother...

well this much we do know... bush loved the indians. so much so, that his grandpappy stole (graverobbed) geronimos skull and they rest of the bush clan who attended yale ceremoniously burned candles on it in satanic rituals.

:chuckle:

so i guess obama not going to flood zones is proof bush didnt hate black people? okay, but the race card being played by either side is/was pretty weak.

im almost 100% positive NOBODY POSTING ON THIS BOARD ever said bush hated black people.

more misdirected angst imo....

Another post showing how you twist arguments to devalue both the argument and arguer.

the ACTUAL argument was NOT about Obama or Bush, but about how the press and talking heads played up the race card with Bush, and play it down with Obama SPECIFICALLY for political reasons of their own.

tony hipchest
04-13-2009, 09:47 PM
the ACTUAL argument was NOT about Obama or Bush, but about how the press and talking heads played up the race card with Bush, and play it down with Obama SPECIFICALLY for political reasons of their own.....still not seeing anything about the press or talking heads in the OP. the ambiguity and open-ended nature of all, leads me to believe it was directed at anyone who voted for obama.

anyways, to be fair, isnt revs playing it up with obama and playing it down with bush?

but i forgot that only republicans are allowed to twist arguments to devalue both the argument and arguer unchecked so to be fair, i see what revs is asking.

however its a bit out of context. bush took alot of heat and scrutiny for not delivering on the war in iraq and finding the WMD.

on the flipside, if obama ignored a WMD threat and we were consequently attacked, the media would be just as quick to call him a white, indian, and everybody under the sun but muslim hater.

BTW the talking heads already imply he is a muslim lover so this so called double standard isnt quite as blatant as you guys make it seem.

SteelersMongol
04-13-2009, 09:56 PM
:doh: Obama don't hate the whites or Natives Americans. I've seen him on TV chilling with em all the time. :wink02: But he sure does hate the Mongols. He hasn't visited Mongolia since he took office. :chuckle:

Just me talking but... I never quite understood why it was so important for the president to be seen visiting a disaster area. It's just a photo op. What's he really gonna do while there? Grab a shovel and help clean up? No...

He can see how bad things are on a tv like the rest of us. He has people under him who coordinate the recovery.

I dunno... I'd think it's more important for FEMA to be there rather than the president.

WORD!!!

My two cents.

Obama does not hate White People or Native Americans.

Obama doesn't realize the job he's in isn't the kind of job that you can just "pretend at" twice a week. He is overwhelmed and under prepared for the task of POTUS. He clearly should have visited ND, as well as the recent Tornado areas. But he's too busy, picking out a dog, and giving speeches in Europe to understand that he Doesn't Get to Sleep, doesn't get to Rest, needs to be out there everyday showing his Love of America and Americans.

One could argue that Obama doesn't hate White people or Native Americans, but that Obama doesn't love Americans for who we are and where we come from Historically. He's too busy trying to make us in the image of Europe to care about our Current Affairs or Current Natural Disasters.

So true.

oh brother...

well this much we do know... bush loved the indians. so much so, that his grandpappy stole (graverobbed) geronimos skull and they rest of the bush clan who attended yale ceremoniously burned candles on it in satanic rituals.

:chuckle:

so i guess obama not going to flood zones is proof bush didnt hate black people? okay, but the race card being played by either side is/was pretty weak.

im almost 100% positive NOBODY POSTING ON THIS BOARD ever said bush hated black people.

more misdirected angst imo....

:laughing:

Preacher
04-13-2009, 10:11 PM
....still not seeing anything about the press or talking heads in the OP. the ambiguity and open-ended nature of all, leads me to believe it was directed at anyone who voted for obama.

From the first post:
Why not?

This is NOT a partisan attack. I am sincerely asking why it was so bad for Bush to VISIT New Orleans and it's okay for Obama to NOT visit N. Dakota?

Seems to me it was directed more at those who played up the "bush is a racist" card with hurricane Katrina. That would be, 1. The Press and 2. Certain elements of the democrat caucus.

anyways, to be fair, isnt revs playing it up with obama and playing it down with bush?

I think Revs was specifically matching the over-the-top rhetoric that we heard about Bush and New Orleans.

but i forgot that only republicans are allowed to twist arguments to devalue both the argument and arguer unchecked so to be fair, i see what revs is asking.
Um, nope. But I have found that in pretty much EVERY thread since the election, you have done this. Why? and I ask that seriously. I have seen you when you are not a smartass, actually step by step make excellent and compelling arguments.

however its a bit out of context. bush took alot of heat and scrutiny for not delivering on the war in iraq and finding the WMD.

on the flipside, if obama ignored a WMD threat and we were consequently attacked, the media would be just as quick to call him a white, indian, and everybody under the sun but muslim hater.

I sincerely have my doubts, especially that "no WMD" was the cause of it all. Especially when the press HAS TO ignore the fact that the previous administration AND most ALL western intelligence agencies were in agreement with the intel. No, I think that is quite a reach.

BTW the talking heads already imply he is a muslim lover so this so called double standard isnt quite as blatant as you guys make it seem.

Hmm, I haven't seen that at all on the national news, nor on any of the cable channels. I gotta ask for sources on this one.

tony hipchest
04-13-2009, 11:36 PM
however its a bit out of context. bush took alot of heat and scrutiny for not delivering on the war in iraq and finding the WMD.




Hmm, I haven't seen that at all on the national news, nor on any of the cable channels. I gotta ask for sources on this one.i dont recall seeing "bush hates blacks" all over the national news either. :noidea: you show me your sources and i will show you mine. :wink: but atleast we agree on it being a bit out of context.


I sincerely have my doubts, especially that "no WMD" was the cause of it all. Especially when the press HAS TO ignore the fact that the previous administration AND most ALL western intelligence agencies were in agreement with the intel. No, I think that is quite a reach. but the rest of the western world and the previous administration showed resistance in declaring war.

appearantly the previous administration was too "obsessed" about some dude named osama bin laden. :poop: "wag the dog" , right? a legitimate terrorist threat was pretty much ignored because the outgoing prez got head. :noidea:


Um, nope. But I have found that in pretty much EVERY thread since the election, you have done this. Why? and I ask that seriously. I have seen you when you are not a smartass, actually step by step make excellent and compelling arguments.

seriously...? i find that most of these threads are complete bullshit and not even worth an excellent or compelling argument (however i have no problem extinguishing a panic article- remember obama planting prayers at the wailing wall or not having an american flag on his campaign plane?)). and when youre outnumbered 15-20:1 often times just being a smartass is a much more entertaining and effective way of getting a point across.

in all honesty, i actually make myself laugh. i really do. and sometimes i will go back and read an old thread (whether its blasting litp, bunglebrian, the columbus thread, or alot of these political ones) and laugh even more.

Steeldude
04-14-2009, 01:32 AM
i blame the governor and the mayor of NO for the disaster efforts, pre-cautions etc... than i do bush.

many of the citizens weren't too helpful either.

as for the topic, IMO, the media is more pro-obama than it was pro-bush. whatever brings in the viewers/ratings has a key role too.

GBMelBlount
04-14-2009, 09:27 AM
tony hipchest
i dont recall seeing "bush hates blacks" all over the national news either. you show me your sources and i will show you mine. but atleast we agree on it being a bit out of context.



Bush returns to New Orleans, denies prejudice in recovery effort
Last Updated: Monday, September 12, 2005 | 3:56 PM ET
CBC News

U.S. President George Bush insisted Monday morning that skin colour was not a factor in the federal government's hurricane recovery activities.

"The storm didn't discriminate and neither will the recovery effort," he said.

Vice Admiral Thad Allen, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, President Bush and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, tour the French Quarter of New Orleans. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
Vice Admiral Thad Allen, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, President Bush and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, tour the French Quarter of New Orleans. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

There have been allegations that federal response was poor because so many victims were poor and black.

* RELATED STORY: Divers off Alabama coast join Canadian effort to help U.S. South

U.S. President Bush made his third trip to the Gulf region since the disaster. This visit includes a stop in New Orleans, and a helicopter tour of surrounding parishes before flying to Gulfport, Miss.

In other hurricane-related news:

# New Orleans is slowly recovering from the hurricane. Dozens of pumps continued to drain the flooded city. Aerial scans showed the city still about 50 percent flooded. Recovery teams have found at least 197 bodies, far fewer than originally expected.

# Business owners in New Orleans were allowed to return to the city's central business district on Monday. The business people were issued passes and allowed to retrieve data or equipment needed to run their companies.

# Swiss Reinsurance, the world's second-largest reinsurance company, has doubled its estimate of claims the global insurance industry will face from hurricane Katrina. It said it now faces a payout of $40 billion US.

# On Sunday, more than 350 Hurricane Katrina evacuees staying in Charlotte, N.C. watched their New Orleans Saints beat the Carolina Panthers 23-to-20. Panthers football players donated the tickets, and the team collected $176,000 US on behalf of the relief effort.

# As of Friday,

-- 71,100 U.S. federal personnel had been deployed in the relief effort.

-- 47,089 lives have been saved and rescued.

-- 253,177 people have been evacuated to shelters in 17 states and the District of Columbia.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2005/09/12/bush_hurricane_20050912.html

revefsreleets
04-14-2009, 10:28 AM
Once again, my point is NOT a partisan attack. I am not questioning Obama's action (or lack of action) pertaining to ND. I am NOT questioning Bush's actions (or lack of action) pertaining to NO.

I am questioning why it's okay for one president to not go, and not okay for another President TO go.

There is a HUGE disparity here. First Bush was roundly criticized for not immediately heading to NO, and, when he did, he was ripped up for going too late or for the wrong reasons. And Obama did next to nothing about North Dakota and there hasn't been a peep from the media about it either way.

These are facts, people. I don't need to cite sources or quote articles because I lived through both events, and can clearly see and hear with my own two eyes and ears the VAST difference in the way these two presidents are being treated by the press and in popular culture...

It makes a BIG difference because the media and pop press are probably the most important shapers of public perception today for most people. And they are not being fair and balanced here.

kittenfantastico76
04-14-2009, 12:37 PM
I do think it's good faith for a president to visit the disaster sights. Be it photo op, truly caring or showing his support for the people struggling.

Of course the minute he goes there to help, he'll get slack from people because he should be at the white house figuring out what on earth to do about bail outs, our economic status etc.

It's a double edged sword, I didn't have an issue about Bush going to New Orleans personally or not. He went, great, what's more important is that things were handled to help the people there. I know they were told in advance to get out, etc. I know there are more people involved in getting the balls rolling, we all learn from our mistakes.

If everything was handled as needed with New Orleans, I think Bush would have gotten less flack for it, and people may have given him a bit more slack in visiting, not visiting or getting there sooner vs. later.

As far as North Dakota, I have to read more about this situation, but in my opinion, if things are being handled there, food, water, help for the homeless victims etc, I don't see the huge issue of him not being there RIGHT NOW.

Did anyone visit the victims in Texas after their huge disaster? [Asking in all seriousness - I didn't follow the stories about whether the president made it there or not].

Bottom line - I think it's amazing when the President takes time to get out to these sights to help, to lift hopes and to say HEY, I DO CARE ABOUT YOU. I don't know that it should be expected, unless as said before it's a national disaster such as 9-11, Pearl Harbor etc. This is something where ALL Americans need answers. And NO I'm not saying that these few Americans aren't as important, but if their needs ARE being met, and their questions are being answered I don't see the need for the president to be there, unless he truly feels he needs to. IF they aren't getting what they need or having answers to their questions then he needs to get his ass there and help these people figure out where to go next. Or at least let them know help is coming/there/what to do.

I'd be lost if I lost my home etc. I'd want answers from someone, but that doesn't mean Obama needs to come to my town to tell me in person, he just needs to be sure everything is in line to give me the answers/ assistance I need to get back on my feet, back to work and back to making the money to fix my home/community etc. I don't want a hand out, I want answers, I pray my insurance would cover it and that I could get back on my feet.

Preacher
04-14-2009, 03:38 PM
[quote=revefsreleets;590070]Once again, my point is NOT a partisan attack. I am not questioning Obama's action (or lack of action) pertaining to ND. I am NOT questioning Bush's actions (or lack of action) pertaining to NO.

I am questioning why it's okay for one president to not go, and not okay for another President TO go.

There is a HUGE disparity here. First Bush was roundly criticized for not immediately heading to NO, and, when he did, he was ripped up for going too late or for the wrong reasons. And Obama did next to nothing about North Dakota and there hasn't been a peep from the media about it either way.

These are facts, people. I don't need to cite sources or quote articles because I lived through both events, and can clearly see and hear with my own two eyes and ears the VAST difference in the way these two presidents are being treated by the press and in popular culture...

It makes a BIG difference because the media and pop press are probably the most important shapers of public perception today for most people. And they are not being fair and balanced here.[ /quote]

Exactly

HometownGal
04-14-2009, 03:50 PM
These are facts, people. I don't need to cite sources or quote articles because I lived through both events, and can clearly see and hear with my own two eyes and ears the VAST difference in the way these two presidents are being treated by the press and in popular culture...

It makes a BIG difference because the media and pop press are probably the most important shapers of public perception today for most people. And they are not being fair and balanced here.

I think anyone with a fraction of a brain cell can clearly see that through the media's eyes, one President did EVERYTHING wrong (but was re-elected to a second term, mysteriously) and another President can do NO wrong. I compare it to a football/hockey player who plays an extremely physical game being consistently flagged for looking at an opponent the wrong way and on the flip side, a primadonna player being overly protected by the refs. :doh::banging:

The media has really never been totally "fair and balanced", but the bias has become even more pronounced over the last 4 years, and particularly, during and since this last election.

revefsreleets
04-14-2009, 04:19 PM
You mean the election that "Bush stole"?:sofunny:

beSteelmyheart
04-14-2009, 07:13 PM
I'm coming into the argument a little late with my thoughts on Hurricane Katrina....I still can't forget the image of all of those schoolbusses lined up in a parking lot, unused by the idiot mayor or governor. And then nagin or whatever his name is had the nerve to get angry about a federal response!! (or lack thereof) which just totally stinks of an entitlement mentality, as in "Lets not do any work for ourselves, lets sit & wait for the government to bail us out & bitch them out when they don't do enough for our lazy non-working asses"
The flood victims bore no such mentality. They know what it's like to work for something, obviously.
Anyone with a brain would realize that Bush shouldn't be held responsible for the Katrina mess but in this case, shit rolls uphill. Go figure.
And then they re-elect Nagin!!!!!!
It just goes to show you can't fix stupid.
I live in a hurricane state & if we ever got hit in a major way, the last thing on my mind would be a visit from the President, whomever he may be.

Indo
04-14-2009, 08:15 PM
I try to stay out of these political threads...honestly...but every now and then I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents----

I lived in New Orleans when Katrina struck (in fact, it's the reason I now live in Nowhere Alabama, but that's another story for another day)

First---New Orleans has a long history of "Hurricane Threats" (where "The Big One" kept passing to the left or to the right of the city). It was a big joke every time the National Weather Service said, "This one will DEFINITELY hit New Orleans. So much so that NO ONE took any of it seriously. In fact, as soon as a Hurricane was in the Gulf, people would have a Hurricane Party. That's right people, we would ignore (IGNORE) the warnings and get real drunk! I can't even begin to tell you how many Hurricane Parties I have been to----so... when the REAL "Big One" was approaching no one payed any attention to it. Then it got closer and closer and closer and its track didn't alter much. The track ALWAYS turned one way or the other in the past. But not Katrina. She took up the whole Gulf of Mexico and then pounded NOLA (New Orleans, LA). And everyone began to panic with that "Oh, shit" look on their faces knowing that this was going to be "The Big One". I was there when it made landfall...I purposely stayed with 6 other physicians in the hospital so that I could help evacuate our patients.

The Federal govt (FEMA and the Natl Guard) asked then Governor Blanco if we needed any help. She said, "No". Nagin (the Mayor) also initially said "No" to help from the Feds. To this day I am amazed at all the BS that Bush took from the media (spawned primarily by Anderson Cooper and that O'Brian b*tch--I forget her first name---Solidad or something like that) of CNN. Once the NOLA govt asked the fed. govt for help, the response was, like 36 hours. Not bad for a fed agency to mobilize and have Natl Guard there from across the country. Trust me---we were loading patients onto teeny little two-person helicopters one day and then into Blackhawks and Hueys the next. In my opinion, the f*ck-up came from the Governor and the Mayor, NOT Bush and CERTAINLY not from Mike Brown, who was the Director of FEMA at the time. He was merely the Fall-Guy because somebody had to take the blame for all the friggin' idiots who decided to "Ride It Out" instead of evacuating like they were told to prior to landfall...

Let's face it...we live in a Society where it's always someone else's fault and someone else is to blame. We don't, as a Society, take responsibility for our own actions---
I must commend the ND citizens who took some initiative and helped themselves

tony hipchest
04-14-2009, 08:33 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2005/09/12/bush_hurricane_20050912.html

thats it? :rofl:

were kinda talking about national media & major cable outlets (y'know ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS. FOXNEWS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) and you cite some random canadian fishwrap article. LOL.

good one, mel. :chuckle:

cubanstogie
04-14-2009, 11:28 PM
The media is like the ACLU, The people of ND are all viewed as white middle classed republicans, and neither the press or ACLU gives a crap about them or their feel good stories. You have to be gay, ethnic, or a feminist to get any sympathy. Obama could care less about white middle class, he is not going to get anyones vote up their anyway.

tony hipchest
04-14-2009, 11:39 PM
people cry about the media WAY too much (especially when it dont go their way).

simple solution...

dont like it? dont watch/read/listen to it.

its a free country. take advantage.

for instance i dont read cosmo, or watch oprah. i suggest the rest of the media whiners follow suit.

cubanstogie
04-15-2009, 12:05 AM
people cry about the media WAY too much (especially when it dont go their way).

simple solution...

dont like it? dont watch/read/listen to it.

its a free country. take advantage.

for instance i dont read cosmo, or watch oprah. i suggest the rest of the media whiners follow suit.

I wish your fellow libs would take your advice when it comes to the Fairness doctrine. We have a saying up here, "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

tony hipchest
04-15-2009, 12:20 AM
I wish your fellow libs would take your advice when it comes to the Fairness doctrine. We have a saying up here, "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

Translation: "whaaaaaaaa" :crying01:

republicans are making seahawk fans look noble and are giving the media much more relevancy than john madden. congrats!

:thumbsup:

cubanstogie
04-15-2009, 12:30 AM
Translation: "whaaaaaaaa" :crying01:

republicans are making seahawk fans look noble and are giving the media much more relevancy than john madden. congrats!

:thumbsup:

an obvious double standard by the libs and you still call it a whine. You have no other defense so I understand your simple minded comebacks. Libs love to preach freedom of speech, yet they are looking to pass the fairness doctrine. Please explain the hypocrisy. Let me guess your explanation "quit whining".

revefsreleets
04-15-2009, 08:53 AM
Again, there is an attempt at a misdirect here.

There IS no media, rather mainstream OR alternative "covering this". This is 100% just my observation. I'm observing that there is absolutely NO coverage of Obama's disinterest in ND. It's not a matter of "to watch/read the press or not to", there's just nothing there.

Sometimes it's what's missing that makes the biggest impression...

Dino 6 Rings
04-15-2009, 12:47 PM
thats it? :rofl:

were kinda talking about national media & major cable outlets (y'know ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS. FOXNEWS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) and you cite some random canadian fishwrap article. LOL.

good one, mel. :chuckle:

How about this one Tony...from MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10354221/

or this one...the Mayor saying it was Racism...again, MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14414777/

Dino 6 Rings
04-15-2009, 12:51 PM
What Revs is attempting to point out, with this post, (which is named very badly in my opinion) is that no one is calling or suggesting that Obama is a Racist because he isn't visiting, or didn't visit an area that faced a Natural Disaster, which happened to be full of White People.

That's the Double Standard that Revs is pointing out.

I think its good for any Prez to show himself to bring Hope to the people after a Natural Disaster.

Bush visited San Diego after the horrible Wild Fires they had. But why wasn't that a huge issue? Why? Because the people of San Diego took care of themselves, they didn't wait to leave, or wait for rescue, they took care of themselves.

What could be pointed out, in using Natural Disasters in different parts of the Country, is in fact, that a certain mind set of "I need the Government" Leads to more suffering as opposed to the type of people who think "Lets take care of ourselves"

But that's just an opinion.

tony hipchest
04-15-2009, 07:32 PM
2 major flaws going on here...

What Revs is attempting to point out, with this post, (which is named very badly in my opinion) is that no one is calling or suggesting that Obama is a Racist because he isn't visiting, or didn't visit an area that faced a Natural Disaster, which happened to be full of White People.

That's the Double Standard that Revs is pointing out.

.double standard here, huh? more like where there is no smoke there probably isnt a fire. can we all agree the medias job should be to report the news, not create it? as for your major media outlets saying bush is racist (im still laughing at the canadian fishwrap)-

How about this one Tony...from MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10354221/

or this one...the Mayor saying it was Racism...again, MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14414777/

first article Emotions flare as black survivors testify before special House panel certainly sounds like a newsworthy item to me.

revs says he doesnt need links because he lived through both disasters. i guess this lady who testified in washington before congress didnt need links either-

“No one is going to tell me it wasn’t a race issue,” said New Orleans evacuee Patricia Thompson, 53, who is now living in College Station, Texas. “Yes, it was an issue of race. Because of one thing: when the city had pretty much been evacuated, the people that were left there mostly was black.”

IN FACT bush was only mentioned ONCE in the ENTIRE article. no bush blame or calling him a racist here. :hunch:

Discussions about race began almost immediately after Katrina hit on Aug. 29. On Sept. 9, according to NBC News, President George W. Bush told the public, “The storm didn’t discriminate and neither will we in the recovery effort.”

But victims disagree.


it would appear victims think race had something to do with it, not msnbc or "the evil media".

second article-

Nagin: Racism, red tape slowed recovery
New Orleans mayor: Katrina response elsewhere would have been different

:jawdrop: when the mayor of a major american city recovering from disaster says this publicly at a National Association of Black Journalists Convention in Indianapolis. i guess it is pretty newsworthy. again... the media just reporting the news, not creating it.

HOLY COW!!!! bush isnt even freaking mentioned in the article (however there is a video link you can click bush takes blame for katrina response -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/14571386#14571386

so tell me guys... why in the hell would the media even bring up race in the north dakota disaster? it sucks you guys are disappointed in the media for not creating news to not show an invisible double standard in this particular instance.

any white people or naitive americans on capitol hill giving testimony to congress?

any mayors of a major city in ND complaining about the response a year after the fact?

call me when the whites or native americans start feeling slighted by all levels of govt and actually making newsworthy headlines and i will give the silly premise in the OP more merit.

actually we may not wanna ask the indians if they feel slighted by the federal govt. especially if they had their land ripped away and were put on reservations. at this point, im sure theyre just glad to not receive maggot infested spoiled beef and small pox infested blankets in their disaster relief packages. :drink:

thats right everyone, our govt. actually committed germicide on the people of our land in a time of disaster and under the guise of federal aid. :thumbsup:

again, theres still other flaws in this premise i could address but i think we can effectively put this thread to rest.

Dino 6 Rings
04-16-2009, 12:45 PM
I think your thinking is flawed and needs put to rest.

Why were there hearings in regards to Katrina? That's the real question.

There was no smoke, there was no fire, until someone with a camera went down there and said "hey, why are all these black people not geting help" Who cares what color they are, they needed help, they needed help and it came. The Governor dropped the ball and was voted out. The Mayor, voted out. They messed up. The Federal Government didn't drop the ball on Katrina, the Local Government did. It was on them to help their own people first in the days leading up to Katrina and they failed.

The Feds come in to pick up the pieces after the fact.

Now, why has B.O. not visited any Natural Disaster in the US as of yet? There have been 19 Major Disaster Declarations this Year. There have been 5 Emergency Declarations this year. There have been 23 Fire Management Assistance Declarations. Where has the "man of the people" actually visited to show the people of these areas that he really cares?

revefsreleets
04-16-2009, 01:28 PM
I purposefully called race into it because others did. Saying that Bush "Hates balck people" is absurd. The title of my thread is absurd. But what better way to compare and contrast? Kayne West is an imbecile for saying the Katrina response was slow because Bush hates blacks. I was sarcastically flipping the coin.

Again, all the evidence is that these people in NO did NOTHING to help themselves, that the local and state government drug their feet and REFUSED federal aid until after the fact, then turned around and blamed the federal governmnet for their own ineptitude. The race card is, once again (nd as is almost alwys the case) a red herring.

But it IS interesting to see the same tired old arguments drug out and rehashed here over again.

tony hipchest
04-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Now, why has B.O. not visited any Natural Disaster in the US as of yet? There have been 19 Major Disaster Declarations this Year. There have been 5 Emergency Declarations this year. There have been 23 Fire Management Assistance Declarations. Where has the "man of the people" actually visited to show the people of these areas that he really cares?hmmm... 47 disasters in his 91 days of presidency? HOLY COW DUDE! hes the freaking commander in cheif not Smokey Bear or Sting.

unfreakingbelievable! anyways, maybe hes taking a look at at unnatural disasters-


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us/politics/16prexy.html?_r=1&partner=msnbcpolitics&emc=rss
Mr. Obama leaves on Thursday for Mexico City; he will be the first American president to visit that nation’s capital since President Bill Clinton traveled there 12 years ago. In the weeks leading up to the trip, the Obama administration has said it intends to work closely with Mexico to stem a rising tide of drug violence that is fueled, in part, by cross-border weapons trafficking.

Mr. Obama has the right to identify drug traffickers and their related businesses for penalties under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act, a 1999 law that has been used to focus on several dozen foreign operations worldwide, including some in Mexico. On Wednesday, the White House identified three more Mexican drug operations that will carry the kingpin designation: Sinaloa Cartel, Los Zetas and La Familia Michoacana.

The act allows the Treasury Department to freeze any assets of the cartels found in United States jurisdictions and to prosecute Americans who help the cartels handle their money.

Drug violence has become so prevalent in Mexico that some experts warn that the country is on the verge of becoming a failed state. In an interview with ABC News that was being shown Wednesday evening, Mexico’s president, Felipe Calderón, dismissed that assertion. “Absolutely not,” he said, according to a transcript provided by the network. “Mexico is not a failed state.”
failed state run by terrorists = no good for us.

first president to go to mexico in 12 years, huh? :scratchchin: who knew? looks like bush hates mexicans too! :toofunny:

GBMelBlount
04-16-2009, 03:20 PM
Mr. Obama leaves on Thursday for Mexico City....

Mr. Obama has the right to identify drug traffickers and their related businesses for penalties

Probably trying to figure out a way to tax the living shit out of them. :chuckle:

beSteelmyheart
04-16-2009, 08:42 PM
I could have sworn that they re-elected mayor nagin.....my apologies if I got that one wrong.. either way he's still an idiot.
I don't think it should be left up to the feds to bail us out in times of trouble. It should begin within the community first, doing what they can.

SteelersMongol
04-19-2009, 10:25 PM
WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS? :wink02:

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lilyoder6
04-20-2009, 12:21 AM
hmmm... 47 disasters in his 91 days of presidency? HOLY COW DUDE! hes the freaking commander in cheif not Smokey Bear or Sting.

unfreakingbelievable! anyways, maybe hes taking a look at at unnatural disasters-


failed state run by terrorists = no good for us.

first president to go to mexico in 12 years, huh? :scratchchin: who knew? looks like bush hates mexicans too! :toofunny:

the only reason obama is going to mexico... is so he can see the weed he is actually buying...


haha.. i'm sry.. but i had to say it..

Preacher
04-20-2009, 02:20 AM
Anyone notice in the last how many threads, TOny NEVER gives a straight answer to the original question in the thread? It is always a slight, a comment to diminish the question, etc.

Frankly, I am starting to think Tony and James Carville are the same person. And that is not a compliment.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
04-20-2009, 02:41 AM
Anyone notice in the last how many threads, TOny NEVER gives a straight answer to the original question in the thread? It is always a slight, a comment to diminish the question, etc.

Frankly, I am starting to think Tony and James Carville are the same person. And that is not a compliment.

He's a liberal, deflection is in their blood...:coffee:

tony hipchest
04-21-2009, 04:40 PM
forgive me for diminishing a loaded question. :rolleyes:

Preacher... do you only beat your wife on wednesdays?

There IS no media, rather mainstream OR alternative "covering this". This is 100% just my observation. I'm observing that there is absolutely NO coverage of Obama's disinterest in ND. It's not a matter of "to watch/read the press or not to", there's just nothing there.

revs is seeing a problem where there is no problem. he is essentially comparing apples to oranges. hes trying to make these floods as big of a media event as a major cat 4-5 hurricaine destroying an entire city.

as far as media coverage goes, katrina was like the superbowl, with round the clock media coverage. the floods were like a preseason game. you cant follow a flood on tv for days and watch it grow, and move and predict where the eye will make landfall. there is an uncertainty, timeline, and buildup that the media loves.

the attack on the murrah bldg got far less coverage than the attack on WTC and president bush was PRAISED by the evil leftist media for visiting ground zero. (honestly, i cant even remember if clinton visited oklahoma city). bush was praised for tossing out the fist pitch at mets/yankees(?) game.

tons of media scrutiny and coverage of waco and d. koresh. much more than the random dude who holds some people at work hostage.

elian gonzalez.... huge story and media scrutiny. much bigger than the random cuban boat that arrives in miami.

why? bigger story = bigger media coverage = bigger microscope = bigger scrutiny.

comparing the 2 natural disasters is like comparing the war in bosnia to either war in iraq.

sure they are both wars, but one has much bigger implications and therefore more coverage and scrutiny that goes along with it.

i dont know what is so complicated about that? maybe because being hard headed and close minded is in conservatives blood, right i-bleed-black-and gold?

or was this the original question you were talking about?

Does Obama "Hate White People? Native Americans"?

:rolleyes:

revefsreleets
04-21-2009, 04:48 PM
Wrong. Completely wrong.

I'm pointing out that Bush did nothing wrong in the first place. But there is a vast and very evident double standard. It was absolutely RETARDED to suggest that Bush hates black people, or didn't care about Katrina victims, or had some secret agenda. But the media lapped that horseshit up like it was candy.

They are actually doing their job now by not calling attention to Obama's lack of visitation. It's not news...unfortunately, they MADE it news when Bush didn't visit NO. The media's job is to REPORT the news, not position stories and manipulate popular opinion.

tony hipchest
04-21-2009, 04:54 PM
the 2 media outlet articles that were thrown out at me as evidence supporting your cause, i quickly showed as the media covering the news and NOT creating it.

do you remember if clinton visited the murrah bldg site. in exploring your point of view, im wondering if he didnt go and got a "free pass".

anyways, katrina = media mountain
ND floods = media molehill

face it. its just not a sexy story. i mean how much coverage do you remember of the iowa floods that wiped out like half of our corn crops? did geraldo show up to cover it?

revefsreleets
04-21-2009, 05:05 PM
My point remains. Bush was held to a MUCH higher standard than Obama ever will be.

lilyoder6
04-21-2009, 08:00 PM
My point remains. Bush was held to a MUCH higher standard than Obama ever will be.

b/c he black!!!>!>>!>!?!?!?!!>!?!?!?!>!?>!>!?!>!!>!

and maybe some other things too

revefsreleets
04-22-2009, 09:29 AM
b/c he black!!!>!>>!>!?!?!?!!>!?!?!?!>!?>!>!?!>!!>!

and maybe some other things too

I don't think race has as much to do with this as people think. IMO I think people just want to see soemthing fresh and new, and they bought into the hype that Obama was that. Unfortunately for all of us, he's just not. He's more of the same, just a little more liberal than we are used to.

lilyoder6
04-22-2009, 09:48 AM
I don't think race has as much to do with this as people think. IMO I think people just want to see soemthing fresh and new, and they bought into the hype that Obama was that. Unfortunately for all of us, he's just not. He's more of the same, just a little more liberal than we are used to.

i will say that race is about at least half of the reason... something new, something fresh... a black person is new and fresh, he can talk to the ppl.. blah blah blah..

revefsreleets
04-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Yeah, being black didn't hurt. Fact is, if he was white, he'd have been forced out of the primaries, and forced out early. Not nearly enough experience to last...

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
04-22-2009, 04:39 PM
He's only like 6% black anyway...

xfl2001fan
04-22-2009, 06:12 PM
He's only like 6% black anyway...

6.48732% black you friggin racist! :doh::banging:

revefsreleets
04-23-2009, 09:11 AM
Well, I don't want to be the one to tell all the black people in America that. You know, the ones that bought the really tacky commemorative; t-shirts, plates, blankets, hats, pillow cases, fake nail inlays, TV trays, posters, etc, etc...

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 04:23 PM
The real question should be...Does revefsreleets hate Black people? I've heard that white people from Pittsburgh and surrounding counties were racist. It's funny how some people just can't seem to accept the FACT that Mr. Obama is the President. I figured he would get criticized but comparing what happened in North Dakota to what happened in New Orleans is not even close to fair and, well, dumb.

And I noticed that backhand comment about how North Dakota citizens, aka white people, were out helping each other...unlike the ignorant black people in New Orleans, huh? Like they even had a chance to minimize Katrina...you sound stupid.

I don't care what kind of backlash I get from my post either. Am I the only black person on this site...feels like it!

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 04:41 PM
The real question should be...Does revefsreleets hate Black people? I've heard that white people from Pittsburgh and surrounding counties were racist. It's funny how some people just can't seem to accept the FACT that Mr. Obama is the President. I figured he would get criticized but comparing what happened in North Dakota to what happened in New Orleans is not even close to fair and, well, dumb.

And I noticed that backhand comment about how North Dakota citizens, aka white people, were out helping each other...unlike the ignorant black people in New Orleans, huh? Like they even had a chance to minimize Katrina...you sound stupid.

I don't care what kind of backlash I get from my post either. Am I the only black person on this site...feels like it!

Wow, you should meet J Dogg. He's another guy who joined this site in March and with his 17th post started ranting at a longstanding and respected member. This is awesome!

Congratulations on being black. Not sure whether I should give you a cookie or not, but whatever. I'm sure Rev will be more than happy to answer your questions on whether or not he hates black people or not (very unlikely).

Way to read one or two specific posts and comment too, without actually getting into the content/meaning that Revs was going for and (eventually) described in this very same thread. It wasn't actually about Obama being racist...his rant is about the unfair media bias when Bush was attacked and Obama wasn't for (essentially) the exact same action taken in regards to these two events.

billybob
04-24-2009, 04:53 PM
The real question should be...Does revefsreleets hate Black people? I've heard that white people from Pittsburgh and surrounding counties were racist. It's funny how some people just can't seem to accept the FACT that Mr. Obama is the President. I figured he would get criticized but comparing what happened in North Dakota to what happened in New Orleans is not even close to fair and, well, dumb.

And I noticed that backhand comment about how North Dakota citizens, aka white people, were out helping each other...unlike the ignorant black people in New Orleans, huh? Like they even had a chance to minimize Katrina...you sound stupid.

I don't care what kind of backlash I get from my post either. Am I the only black person on this site...feels like it!

You don't have to be black or white to be good brother. Goodness comes from your heart and your soul . We all like to play like it does not exist , but there is always gonna be someone that thinks they are better than someone else.
Put a "man" in a role and see how he performs , then we will make our judgement.
Don't matter what color you are , if you never learned that growing up , then you might never grasp the concept of equality.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 04:53 PM
Wow, you should meet J Dogg. He's another guy who joined this site in March and with his 17th post started ranting at a longstanding and respected member. This is awesome!

Congratulations on being black. Not sure whether I should give you a cookie or not, but whatever. I'm sure Rev will be more than happy to answer your questions on whether or not he hates black people or not (very unlikely).

Way to read one or two specific posts and comment too, without actually getting into the content/meaning that Revs was going for and (eventually) described in this very same thread. It wasn't actually about Obama being racist...his rant is about the unfair media bias when Bush was attacked and Obama wasn't for (essentially) the exact same action taken in regards to these two events.

No I don't want a cookie for being black, but thanks for asking...do you want my son because you're white :tt:

I've been on this site since 05, lost my info...not sure what that has to do with my post or opinion. More posts doesn't make you respected.

I read the whole thread, actually. And if you read my post you'd see that I disagreed with his rant. I never said that he thought our President was racist. You can't compare the actions taken because Katrina was so much more than what happened in North Dakota.

All you saw was sombody mention they were black and you got all red in the face lol.

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 05:00 PM
No I don't want a cookie for being black, but thanks for asking...do you want my son because you're white :tt:
Why would I want your son? Why is your being Black prevalent in this? Just out of curiosity? You wave it like it's a flag or something. In my eyes, there are Americans, British, etc...but as far as race goes, there's Mankind. Only racists look at the color of skin and think it's important.
I've been on this site since 05, lost my info...not sure what that has to do with my post or opinion. More posts doesn't make you respected.Your post count and date of arrival (with this particular logon) was oddly coincidental, especially in accordance with how that post went about.

I read the whole thread, actually. And if you read my post you'd see that I disagreed with his rant. I never said that he thought our President was racist. You can't compare the actions taken because Katrina was so much more than what happened in North Dakota. You're right...was getting lost in the myriad of fuming thoughts that always occur when people play the race card. You didn't say that, you asked if Revs was a racist. Either way, you're wrong.

All you saw was sombody mention they were black and you got all red in the face lol.
I didn't get red in the face because you are black. I could care less. I got red in the face because you were playing the racist card. It doesn't matter what color a man's skin is when he actually makes those accusations...stupid is stupid.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:01 PM
You don't have to be black or white to be good brother. Goodness comes from your heart and your soul . We all like to play like it does not exist , but there is always gonna be someone that thinks they are better than someone else.
Put a "man" in a role and see how he performs , then we will make our judgement.
Don't matter what color you are , if you never learned that growing up , then you might never grasp the concept of equality.

I agree with you that you don't have to be a specific color to be good. I also agree that there will always be racism in the world. Whether some people want to admit it or not, they don't like Obama because of the color of his skin. Just like some people voted for him because of the color of his skin.

Believe me, I grasp the concept of equality...hell, I fight for it everyday. The military world is no different than the civilian world.

What I see is Obama getting murdered on this site...I just want to know where the hate is coming from?

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 05:05 PM
What I see is Obama getting murdered on this site...I just want to know where the hate is coming from?

And the first conclusion you jump to is race?

It couldn't be because he completely talked his way into an election he was no way prepared for?

It couldn't be because he used the media to bash everything Bush did and then turns around and adopts a large portions of those policies upon entering office (whilst the Media sits by and does/says nothing of the fact that those policies were all terrible when Bush had them.)

It couldn't be that many of us just so happen to be conservative hard working folks who disagree with his politics, his excessive spending habits and his "ideology"?

No, it must be race first and foremost.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:13 PM
Why would I want your son? Why is your being Black prevalent in this? Just out of curiosity? You wave it like it's a flag or something. In my eyes, there are Americans, British, etc...but as far as race goes, there's Mankind. Only racists look at the color of skin and think it's important.
Your post count and date of arrival (with this particular logon) was oddly coincidental, especially in accordance with how that post went about.

You're right...was getting lost in the myriad of fuming thoughts that always occur when people play the race card. You didn't say that, you asked if Revs was a racist. Either way, you're wrong.


I didn't get red in the face because you are black. I could care less. I got red in the face because you were playing the racist card. It doesn't matter what color a man's skin is when he actually makes those accusations...stupid is stupid.

Why would I want a cookie and congratulatory comment for being black? Me being black is very pertinent to this convo because it's obvious he was making backhand remarks at black people.

Post count doesn't mean anything. I'm on this site damn near everyday. I don't post because many people have the same opinions as I do regarding the Steelers. No reason to keep repeating the same thing.

I don't know if Revs is a racist, true, but the comments make him (and others) seem that way. Again, my opinion. Nobody is playing the race card...lol...I just don't see the reasons for the remarks.

billybob
04-24-2009, 05:19 PM
No I don't want a cookie for being black, but thanks for asking...do you want my son because you're white :tt:

I've been on this site since 05, lost my info...not sure what that has to do with my post or opinion. More posts doesn't make you respected.

I read the whole thread, actually. And if you read my post you'd see that I disagreed with his rant. I never said that he thought our President was racist. You can't compare the actions taken because Katrina was so much more than what happened in North Dakota.

All you saw was sombody mention they were black and you got all red in the face lol.

The cool thing with posting brother , is no body knows the color of your skin. Not like you're hiding anything , but to even bring it up suggests a mal-intent situation. I grew up in the 60's , and i was not confused when it came down to thinking , who was a nice person , or who was not. You can't go by the color of skin , to determine how nice , or evil , a person is.
You have to be proud of who you are .I am a freakin french decendant and i came down through Canada , and i am proud of my heritage.
I have black friends , i have hispanic friends , i even have some white friends .
I will go on record as saying that Obama can not do more harm to our country than the predicessors have already inflicted .
I

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:19 PM
And the first conclusion you jump to is race?

It couldn't be because he completely talked his way into an election he was no way prepared for?

It couldn't be because he used the media to bash everything Bush did and then turns around and adopts a large portions of those policies upon entering office (whilst the Media sits by and does/says nothing of the fact that those policies were all terrible when Bush had them.)

It couldn't be that many of us just so happen to be conservative hard working folks who disagree with his politics, his excessive spending habits and his "ideology"?

No, it must be race first and foremost.

Geez dude...I jumped to race because of the comment he made about people in ND (majority white) helping each other. Why else would he make that comment? You can't be that naive?

Thanks for answering the question. Because other than the thread about him bowing to a Saudi King (which didn't happen), this stupid thread and the CNN vote thread, I really didnt' have a clue as to why most people on here didn't like him.

Oh and you can blame McCain for picking that idiot Palin as the reason he won the election. All politicians talk their way into their seat. Obama isn't any different.

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 05:22 PM
Why would I want a cookie and congratulatory comment for being black? Me being black is very pertinent to this convo because it's obvious he was making backhand remarks at black people.
Wasn't sure what your being black had anything to do with this convo either. This wasn't about race, this was about the media. The headline used was an attention grabber and the rest was concerned with why the Media would call Bush a racist for not attending Katrina victims and say nothing of Obama not attending North Dakota. If Bush is a racist for not going where "Blacks" are in a time of need/crisis, then Obama must be one too for nott attending an area where "Whites" are in time of a need/crisis. The shoe is on the other foot, but nobody is saying anything about it.

Post count doesn't mean anything. I'm on this site damn near everyday. I don't post because many people have the same opinions as I do regarding the Steelers. No reason to keep repeating the same thing.
Again, the exact post count and join date was too rich for my sensibilities. I'm more than aware that post count is irrelevant. I couldn't begin to tell you what mine is, nor could I care. It just caught my eye somehow.

I don't know if Revs is a racist, true, but the comments make him (and others) seem that way. Again, my opinion. Nobody is playing the race card...lol...I just don't see the reasons for the remarks.

When you ask if someone is a racist, you are playing the race card. When you make comments like "you white people" you are playing the race card. You are making the color of someones skin an issue. There's no way around that. My comments about the color of your skin are brought about because you seem to think it's important. Then you "feel like the only black person" here. Maybe the other black people here don't believe Revs is a racist and can actually see the point he is making about the Liberal Media Bias.

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 05:28 PM
Geez dude...I jumped to race because of the comment he made about people in ND (majority white) helping each other. Why else would he make that comment? You can't be that naive?

Thanks for answering the question. Because other than the thread about him bowing to a Saudi King (which didn't happen), this stupid thread and the CNN vote thread, I really didnt' have a clue as to why most people on here didn't like him.

Oh and you can blame McCain for picking that idiot Palin as the reason he won the election. All politicians talk their way into their seat. Obama isn't any different.

He brought up the "White" thing because they aren't asking for handouts, complaining about FEMA's slow response or anything. Media coverage converged on mostly black neighborhoods and poor areas in general...and then cited Bush as ignoring them because he's racist. The media doesn't want to show a bunch of white people working to help each other out...why show a good news story....when there are poor oppressed black people to report on that Bush did nothing to correct. It's a crappy double standard. Pointing out the double standard doesn't make Revs a racist.

As for McCain and the whole Palin thing...she didn't help, but one of the biggest words against here was "inexperience". What does Obama have? Nothing but smooth reading skills when he has a teleprompter telling him what to say and how to say it. Again, the double standard...build him up because he promises change...and all I see is more spending than Bush....and a lot of Bush's "evil" policies being adopted and the Government trying to gain "more" control over the people...as opposed to the least amount possible...which was the idea general idea when the constitution/declaration of independence was written.

Preacher
04-24-2009, 05:29 PM
Um... Steel.

He did bow to the Saudi king. May I suggest you go look at the video

LEUif1--r38

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:30 PM
The cool thing with posting brother , is no body knows the color of your skin. Not like you're hiding anything , but to even bring it up suggests a mal-intent situation. I grew up in the 60's , and i was not confused when it came down to thinking , who was a nice person , or who was not. You can't go by the color of skin , to determine how nice , or evil , a person is.
You have to be proud of who you are .I am a freakin french decendant and i came down through Canada , and i am proud of my heritage.
I have black friends , i have hispanic friends , i even have some white friends .
I will go on record as saying that Obama can not do more harm to our country than the predicessors have already inflicted .
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I hear you...My reason for bringing it up wasn't to ignite anything. I don't go by the color of one's skin to determine who's evil or nice but it makes me sick when other people do. So I voiced my opinion and I since I said I was black, I played the race card? lol people are funny. I have plenty of friends of different backgrounds as well and none of them are racist (or they wouldn't be friends with me lol).

I agree Obama can't do any worse than anybody before him.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:39 PM
Wasn't sure what your being black had anything to do with this convo either. This wasn't about race, this was about the media. The headline used was an attention grabber and the rest was concerned with why the Media would call Bush a racist for not attending Katrina victims and say nothing of Obama not attending North Dakota. If Bush is a racist for not going where "Blacks" are in a time of need/crisis, then Obama must be one too for nott attending an area where "Whites" are in time of a need/crisis. The shoe is on the other foot, but nobody is saying anything about it.


Again, the exact post count and join date was too rich for my sensibilities. I'm more than aware that post count is irrelevant. I couldn't begin to tell you what mine is, nor could I care. It just caught my eye somehow.



When you ask if someone is a racist, you are playing the race card. When you make comments like "you white people" you are playing the race card. You are making the color of someones skin an issue. There's no way around that. My comments about the color of your skin are brought about because you seem to think it's important. Then you "feel like the only black person" here. Maybe the other black people here don't believe Revs is a racist and can actually see the point he is making about the Liberal Media Bias.

What are you not understanding? How is the shoe on the other foot when what happened in ND isn't close to the travesty that happened in New Orleans. People on this board EXAGGERATE everything Obama does or doesn't do. That's my point!

I asked if he was racist because he asked if Obama was...and he's one of the main culprits around this site that bashes Obama. So ask him why did he play the race card!!! When did I say, "you white people"? I don't even talk like that lol. And I asked that question about me being the only black person here because there are a lot of sly comments made on this board about black people. Whether it's somebody being ghetto or a thug...most people have never even been to ghetto or met a thug but characterize black people as such. Yes, I have seen it here. There is no media bias...people with common sense know there is no comparison with this situation and the Katrina situation.

And before anybody asks why I come to this board...I think it's the best forum that I've come across...as far as football talk goes :tt02:

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:49 PM
He brought up the "White" thing because they aren't asking for handouts, complaining about FEMA's slow response or anything. Media coverage converged on mostly black neighborhoods and poor areas in general...and then cited Bush as ignoring them because he's racist. The media doesn't want to show a bunch of white people working to help each other out...why show a good news story....when there are poor oppressed black people to report on that Bush did nothing to correct. It's a crappy double standard. Pointing out the double standard doesn't make Revs a racist.

As for McCain and the whole Palin thing...she didn't help, but one of the biggest words against here was "inexperience". What does Obama have? Nothing but smooth reading skills when he has a teleprompter telling him what to say and how to say it. Again, the double standard...build him up because he promises change...and all I see is more spending than Bush....and a lot of Bush's "evil" policies being adopted and the Government trying to gain "more" control over the people...as opposed to the least amount possible...which was the idea general idea when the constitution/declaration of independence was written.

The only person I remember calling Bush a racist is Kanye West (which was funny as hell lol). What handouts were the people of NO asking for exactly? The FEMA checks that everybody gets when something like this happens. FEMA did respond extremely slow and they had every right to complain about it. I remember the media showing a picture of a black man with water and called him a looter...then showed a picture of a white couple with water and said they were surviving. There will always be double standards in this world. And who's oppressed? lol do you even know what that means?

Obama had the right gameplan. People were tired of Bush and Obama's promises of change were what everybody wanted to hear. His campaign strategy worked like his smooth charm. Remember, Mike Tomlin was inexperienced too :wave:

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Um... Steel.

He did bow to the Saudi king. May I suggest you go look at the video

LEUif1--r38

Can't see the video over here but didn't Obama come out and say that he didn't bow to the Saudi King?

SteelersinCA
04-24-2009, 05:53 PM
The only person I remember calling Bush a racist is Kanye West (which was funny as hell lol).

What was funny about that?

Preacher
04-24-2009, 05:57 PM
Yes obama did . . . but the video CLEARLY shows that he did bow.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 05:57 PM
What was funny about that?

Because he really believed it and he said it on National TV. Plus the look on Mike Myers face.

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 06:08 PM
What are you not understanding? How is the shoe on the other foot when what happened in ND isn't close to the travesty that happened in New Orleans. People on this board EXAGGERATE everything Obama does or doesn't do. That's my point!
It's not the scale that Katrina was...but the stating that a "White" president didn't visit "Black" folks in NO makes him a racist is ludicrous. Which is why Revs points out that a "Black" president not visiting "White" folks should be held to the same scrutiny. It's no more OK to pull the race card on a White President than it is on a Black President.


When did I say, "you white people"? I don't even talk like that lol.

My bad, it wasn't "you" white people, it was "most" white people...which is equally as bad...because the instant you say most, you infer that over 50% of "white people" bash Obama. You (essentially) called over half the "white" population racists. Nice widespread over-generalization.

You said this in the Give Obama a Grade thread. There's a link and your quote (in its entirety) for your viewing pleasure.
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=35134&page=9

No I'm not home yet...it won't happen in his first year or his last. Troops will always be overseas or deployed because the USA loves to keep the peace. So that's not a valid reason to give him an F. Seriously, are most of you just Obama haters because it's the thing to do for most white people? How can you judge anybody in their line of work when you don't know what he's really supposed to do?
So apparently you do talk like that.


And I asked that question about me being the only black person here because there are a lot of sly comments made on this board about black people. Whether it's somebody being ghetto or a thug...most people have never even been to ghetto or met a thug but characterize black people as such. Yes, I have seen it here. From Whom? You think the Mods will sit around and let racism happen? Please. Again with the over-generalization...you say most people...which people? Non-Blacks? Whites? Mexicans? You are still differentiating based on the color of skin. That's wrong. Where have you seen it. I prefer proof. As for sly comments, are you taking them out of context? Because the only way to know if someone means something on the internet is to ask. Most of us that post here regularly (if we make those comments) are making it in a joking manner. Whether you see it as such or not is your business.

There is no media bias...people with common sense know there is no comparison with this situation and the Katrina situation.
BWAHAHAHAHA No media bias? Then why can Fox News and CNN report the same exact story in completely different formats/light and get completely different opinions. You are completely out of it bro if you think there is no media bias. There is a LOT of media bias, although some smaller networks (PBS) do minimize it.

I am not saying (nor have I ever said) that the severity between Katrina and ND is similar. I'm not asking for Global media coverage because ND got flooded. Nor is Rev. Rev is only asking that the media report the stories for Obama as they did for Bush. I won't get into it again, because I explained that above.

And before anybody asks why I come to this board...I think it's the best forum that I've come across...as far as football talk goes :tt02:SF is a great forum. Nobody questions that, nor why people are drawn here.

Dino 6 Rings
04-24-2009, 06:12 PM
Obama hates me!

Jesus loves me though! I'm good to go!

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 06:19 PM
Obama hates me!

Jesus loves me though! I'm good to go!

You radical right-winged terrorist! You're going down!

HometownGal
04-24-2009, 06:21 PM
The only person I remember calling Bush a racist is Kanye West (which was funny as hell lol). The FEMA checks that everybody gets when something like this happens.

Ohhhhhh - I see it now. It's "funny" when someone called GWB a "racist" but when anyone dares to say something negative about The Savior, they're doing so because of the color of his skin? :doh: Do you even realize how hypocritical that is???

What handouts were the people of NO asking for exactly?

I think you'd better go back and do a little research on what a lot of those people in NO expected from the government after Katrina, son. When the government gave each of them thousands of dollars worth of prepaid credit cards to purchase food, new clothing, hoursehold furnishings, etc. that they lost in the wake of the hurricane, what did some of them do with that money? Blew it on bling, dope, booze, prostitutes and everything else except what that government aid was intended for. Then they turned around and had the audacity to complain that the government wasn't doing anything to help them. :mad:

Obama had the right gameplan. People were tired of Bush and Obama's promises of change were what everybody wanted to hear. His campaign strategy worked like his smooth charm.

Obama captialized on the naivety of the average voter who got caught up in his rhetoric and smooth talk. We're a little over 4 months into his presidency and what has he changed other than to put this country farther into debt with that poor excuse of a stimulus plan, ordered the close of Gitmo which I believe will bite him (and sadly, the citizens of this country) in the ass one day in the future and adopted most of the same Bush policies that he admonished and ridiculed during his campaign.

Let me ask you something I've asked several people on this board and have yet to receive an answer.

Why did you vote for Obama?

Preacher
04-24-2009, 06:32 PM
You have to be proud of who you are .I am a freakin french decendant and i came down through Canada \

Your French Canadian? Excuse me, French Canadien?

That explains EVERYTHING Mr. Mach 5!

:rofl:

billybob
04-24-2009, 06:43 PM
I hate to get tangled up in political conversations ,But damn , if a man has a job to do ,he damn sure better do it. Even in our sport , if a man ain't doin his job , you want to get rid of him. Obama has been elected to do a job. He has the chance to make a lasting impression , and has not even been given a chance thus far. So he is the first back president , who cares? What is he gonna do with the position is the question that comes to my mind. All the previous presidents were white. Does it really make a difference what color your skin is? Its kind of like our o-line , it is real , and thats what you have to go by. They have proof that they are capable , so see what they can do now. We will never be a truely united states as long as people insist on focusing on color , instead of what the person , or persons has accomplished , or could accomplish.I am no preacher or anything like that , but if there truly is a god , i find it hard to believe he would over-shadow your skin color , to look over the achievements you made while you had the chance to . To me the Steeler Nation is much larger than that. Not larger than God , but large as a united people , striving for the goal to be the best we can possibly be.
Thats all i have to say on this topic, i would change the thread.

billybob
04-24-2009, 06:51 PM
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Your French Canadian? Excuse me, French Canadien?

That explains EVERYTHING Mr. Mach 5!

:rofl:

My father was French , and my mother was German. Coming from someone as exhaulted as you , i think you insulted me. I traced my family all the way through Canada , on my fathers side. They left me here , and i am proud of my heritage.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 06:58 PM
Yes obama did . . . but the video CLEARLY shows that he did bow.

oh ok

billybob
04-24-2009, 07:03 PM
Tomlins black and i love him in charge of our team. Obama is black and i don't know about that yet.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 07:06 PM
It's not the scale that Katrina was...but the stating that a "White" president didn't visit "Black" folks in NO makes him a racist is ludicrous. Which is why Revs points out that a "Black" president not visiting "White" folks should be held to the same scrutiny. It's no more OK to pull the race card on a White President than it is on a Black President.




My bad, it wasn't "you" white people, it was "most" white people...which is equally as bad...because the instant you say most, you infer that over 50% of "white people" bash Obama. You (essentially) called over half the "white" population racists. Nice widespread over-generalization.

You said this in the Give Obama a Grade thread. There's a link and your quote (in its entirety) for your viewing pleasure.
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=35134&page=9


So apparently you do talk like that.


From Whom? You think the Mods will sit around and let racism happen? Please. Again with the over-generalization...you say most people...which people? Non-Blacks? Whites? Mexicans? You are still differentiating based on the color of skin. That's wrong. Where have you seen it. I prefer proof. As for sly comments, are you taking them out of context? Because the only way to know if someone means something on the internet is to ask. Most of us that post here regularly (if we make those comments) are making it in a joking manner. Whether you see it as such or not is your business.


BWAHAHAHAHA No media bias? Then why can Fox News and CNN report the same exact story in completely different formats/light and get completely different opinions. You are completely out of it bro if you think there is no media bias. There is a LOT of media bias, although some smaller networks (PBS) do minimize it.

I am not saying (nor have I ever said) that the severity between Katrina and ND is similar. I'm not asking for Global media coverage because ND got flooded. Nor is Rev. Rev is only asking that the media report the stories for Obama as they did for Bush. I won't get into it again, because I explained that above.

SF is a great forum. Nobody questions that, nor why people are drawn here.

Proof? Read every anti-Obama thread and there's your proof. Or any thread that says somebody is a thug, gangsta or ghetto. Exactly...it's my business to see it how I want to see it.

And what exactly did you prove by posting a link to the other thread? I still didn't say "you people". I replied to your post...calm down man lol

If what happened in ND was similar to NO, then I'm 100% sure it would've gotten more media attention and if Obama didn't go he would've gotten scrutinized like G-Dub! Nit-picky shit like this is why people like me think the same thing. Maybe he meant it like you said he did but it doesn't seem that way to me.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 07:21 PM
Ohhhhhh - I see it now. It's "funny" when someone called GWB a "racist" but when anyone dares to say something negative about The Savior, they're doing so because of the color of his skin? :doh: Do you even realize how hypocritical that is???



I think you'd better go back and do a little research on what a lot of those people in NO expected from the government after Katrina, son. When the government gave each of them thousands of dollars worth of prepaid credit cards to purchase food, new clothing, hoursehold furnishings, etc. that they lost in the wake of the hurricane, what did some of them do with that money? Blew it on bling, dope, booze, prostitutes and everything else except what that government aid was intended for. Then they turned around and had the audacity to complain that the government wasn't doing anything to help them. :mad:



Obama captialized on the naivety of the average voter who got caught up in his rhetoric and smooth talk. We're a little over 4 months into his presidency and what has he changed other than to put this country farther into debt with that poor excuse of a stimulus plan, ordered the close of Gitmo which I believe will bite him (and sadly, the citizens of this country) in the ass one day in the future and adopted most of the same Bush policies that he admonished and ridiculed during his campaign.

Let me ask you something I've asked several people on this board and have yet to receive an answer.

Why did you vote for Obama?

Actually, if you read everything I had to say you'd see the reason why I thought it was funny. And I said it was racist because he called Obama a racist. Nothing hypocritical about what I said. You're a mod...you should know to go back and read the whole post before replying :chuckle:

So did you see the receipts of all the bling (lol if that's not a stereotype) and booze...were you there when they bought dope and prostitutes? Me either...so we dont' know what it was spent on. I'm guessing the people who complained were just greedy...but that's just a guess. I like my guess better than your assumptions.

Did we judge Tomlin after 4 months into his job? How can you judge anybody until after their tenure is over and done with.

What makes you think I voted for Obama lol...The people who did vote for Obama probably wanted change from the previous C-I-C. A lot of people voted for him because he was different. Some people voted for him becauase he was a minority (not just black people). I voted for Obama for his views on Education, Equal pay, Healthcare, Immigration, Affirmitive Action etc...

Why didn't you vote for him?

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 07:22 PM
Tomlins black and i love him in charge of our team. Obama is black and i don't know about that yet.

I'm black...what about me? I love French and Canadian women...especially Canadian...they love me back :noidea:

billybob
04-24-2009, 07:25 PM
\

Your French Canadian? Excuse me, French Canadien?

That explains EVERYTHING Mr. Mach 5!

:rofl:

My father was an infantry world war 2 veteran , who fought in the "Battle or the bulge " . He accumulated 2 purple hearts , with oak leaf clusters. They were buried with him in 1997. He was shot in the hip , and one traveled through his outstretched arm from the wrist , and exited his elbow , underneath his skin the whole way. He was born in 1922 and helped to preserve our country into what it is today. He was more of a man than i will probably ever hope to be , but i loved him , and i miss him. A lot of people are here today because of my father , and brave men like him . It's such a crime that someone can plaster someone because of their race , or background. I am ashamed of you " preacher ".

HometownGal
04-24-2009, 08:36 PM
Actually, if you read everything I had to say you'd see the reason why I thought it was funny. And I said it was racist because he called Obama a racist. Nothing hypocritical about what I said. You're a mod...you should know to go back and read the whole post before replying :chuckle:



I DID read everything you've posted in this thread so please don't insult my intelligence here, k? My being a Mod has nothing to do with my ability to read and form my opinions, which 99.9% of the time, I base on straight facts. Me thinks YOU are the one with the reading comprehension problem here, pal. xfl2001fan hit the nail on the head - we do not tolerate racism around here and if we felt revs was out of line in this thread or any other thread, it would be promptly dealt with and he is aware of that. In addition - he has class and wouldn't stoop that low. All we ask is that people respect each other's opinions whether they agree or disagree with those opinions.

Again, it was YOU who played the race card when you realized that not everyone around here worships at the Obama altar, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the man's color. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Most of us who oppose Obama do so because we weren't and aren't bamboozled by his smooth talk, endless rhetoric and being as phony as a three dollar bill.

So did you see the receipts of all the bling (lol if that's not a stereotype) and booze...were you there when they bought dope and prostitutes? Me either...so we dont' know what it was spent on. I'm guessing the people who complained were just greedy...but that's just a guess. I like my guess better than your assumptions.



There you go with that race card again. Give it a freakin' rest. :rolleyes:

Don't know where you were or what you were doing after Katrina hit, but the fraud that was committed by some of these people was all over the news - CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, etc. Do a google search and read all about it. I like my facts better than your guess.

Did we judge Tomlin after 4 months into his job? How can you judge anybody until after their tenure is over and done with.



Sure we did and he got a damned good review because he DID what he said he was going to do, unlike The Savior.

What makes you think I voted for Obama lol...

I voted for Obama for his views on Education, Equal pay, Healthcare, Immigration, Affirmitive Action etc...

Enough said.

Why didn't you vote for him?

Because he goes against everything I believe in morally and spiritually, as well as my own platform is almost diametrically opposite to his. I also don't believe the guy has the backbone, the knowledge (I know, I know - he's a Harvard grad. I worked with a few Harvard grads during my career as a paralegal and two of them were as dumb as brussel sprouts) or the experience to hold the highest office in the land, as he is quickly proving all on his own.

P.S. I've long said right here on this very board that I believe Michelle Obama to be a racist due to comments she's made about "whitey" in the past and I stand by that opinion.

Steel_12
04-24-2009, 09:13 PM
I DID read everything you've posted in this thread so please don't insult my intelligence here, k? My being a Mod has nothing to do with my ability to read and form my opinions, which 99.9% of the time, I base on straight facts. Me thinks YOU are the one with the reading comprehension problem here, pal. xfl2001fan hit the nail on the head - we do not tolerate racism around here and if we felt revs was out of line in this thread or any other thread, it would be promptly dealt with and he is aware of that. In addition - he has class and wouldn't stoop that low. All we ask is that people respect each other's opinions whether they agree or disagree with those opinions.

Again, it was YOU who played the race card when you realized that not everyone around here worships at the Obama altar, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the man's color. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Most of us who oppose Obama do so because we weren't and aren't bamboozled by his smooth talk, endless rhetoric and being as phony as a three dollar bill.



There you go with that race card again. Give it a freakin' rest. :rolleyes:

Don't know where you were or what you were doing after Katrina hit, but the fraud that was committed by some of these people was all over the news - CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, etc. Do a google search and read all about it. I like my facts better than your guess.



Sure we did and he got a damned good review because he DID what he said he was going to do, unlike The Savior.





Enough said.



Because he goes against everything I believe in morally and spiritually, as well as my own platform is almost diametrically opposite to his. I also don't believe the guy has the backbone, the knowledge (I know, I know - he's a Harvard grad. I worked with a few Harvard grads during my career as a paralegal and two of them were as dumb as brussel sprouts) or the experience to hold the highest office in the land, as he is quickly proving all on his own.

P.S. I've long said right here on this very board that I believe Michelle Obama to be a racist due to comments she's made about "whitey" in the past and I stand by that opinion.

Insult your intelligence? I would never do such a thing...it was sarcasm. I'm not a serious person...especially on a message board.

Again, I didn't play the race card. Revs did and I called him on it. Funny how people are quick to scream reverse racism but I scream reverse race card and it's a problem lol. Bamboozled? Wow, just keep the negro words coming!! lol

So bling isn't a stereotypical word...and I'm using the race card by saying that it is? Every time a black person has a problem with something, race card is the first thing that's said. Many jokes about black people are made using the word bling...how is it not stereotypical?

How can anybody know that people spent FEMA checks on "dope" (lol still funny) and hookers?

So you would've rather had Bush Jr. aka McCain running this country...with a backwoods VP whose dumber than me (and that's pretty dumb)? Cool, that's your opinion and I respect that. As far as Mrs. Obama goes, who hasn't said a racial remark in their life? Yes, thinking it is that same as saying it...didn't you mention something about being a hypocrite earlier?

SteelersinCA
04-24-2009, 09:27 PM
Meh politicians are all the same, I'd rather have a VP that's hot, all things being equal.

HometownGal
04-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Insult your intelligence? I would never do such a thing...it was sarcasm. I'm not a serious person...especially on a message board.



That is obvious but thanks for letting me know. :applaudit:

Again, I didn't play the race card. Revs did and I called him on it. Funny how people are quick to scream reverse racism but I scream reverse race card and it's a problem lol. Bamboozled? Wow, just keep the negro words coming!! lol



Sorry, but I don't see anywhere that revs played the race card.

Are you freakin' nuts or just plain ignorant? :banging: Bamboozled is now a "negro" word? :rofl::laughing::toofunny: Get over yourself. I'll say it one more time and maybe you'll be able to comprehend a little better. Give it a try - go ahead - YES YOU CAN!

YOU PLAYED THE RACE CARD IN THIS THREAD and you just did it again above. To make it easier, pay attention to the bolded text above. ^^^^

So bling isn't a stereotypical word...and I'm using the race card by saying that it is? Every time a black person has a problem with something, race card is the first thing that's said. Many jokes about black people are made using the word bling...how is it not stereotypical?



I don't believe that the word "bling" is a "stereotypical word" at all and obviously, neither does Mr. Webster:

http://plus.aol.com/aol/dictionary?query=bling&flv=1

1 results for: bling
bling-bling | noun
Main Entry: bling-bling !bliN-+bliN
Pronunciation: \ ˈbliŋ-ˌbliŋ \
Function: noun
Etymology: imitative
Date: 1999
Results
1999 flashy jewelry worn especially as an indication of wealth broadly expensive and ostentatious possessions


Guess my facts again trump your guess.

How can anybody know that people spent FEMA checks on "dope" (lol still funny) and hookers?



Because these mental midgets did nothing to hide the fact that they were spending the aid given to them by the government irresponsibly. Again - do a Google search and read all about it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that people living at poverty level before Katrina suddenly are in possession of plasma TV's, pricey bling, expensive cars, etc., etc., etc. after they were aided by the government. Drug trafficking is HUGE in NO and it was reported that trafficking was on the rise after Katrina in NO and the surrounding area. 1 + 1 = 2.

So you would've rather had Bush Jr. aka McCain running this country...with a backwoods VP whose dumber than me (and that's pretty dumb)?

HELL YES and twice on Sunday.

If McCain is Bush, Jr., I suppose that makes The Savior Bush III since he's been adopting quite a few of the same GWB policies that he denounced. And speaking of VP's - I'd rather have Sarah Palin as my VP than a drunken, foul-mouthed dullard like Biden. Speaking of which - he's been virtually invisible since the election. Is he on another bender? :alcoholic:

As far as Mrs. Obama goes, who hasn't said a racial remark in their life? Yes, thinking it is that same as saying it...didn't you mention something about being a hypocrite earlier?

:jawdrop: Are you serious? Oops - I forgot - you're "never serious". My mistake. :bowdown:

I guess everyone who has made a racist remark in their lives or has "thought it" is the spouse of a former Senator and current President of the United States. :doh: :shake01: This is a woman who American women are supposed to look up to as a role model. I have no respect for her whatsoever and as I said - I view her as a racist. A turnip has more class. Sarah Palin isn't perfect, but she has more class and dignity in her left niplet than Michelle Obama has in her entire being.

xfl2001fan
04-24-2009, 09:46 PM
Proof? Read every anti-Obama thread and there's your proof. Or any thread that says somebody is a thug, gangsta or ghetto. Exactly...it's my business to see it how I want to see it.
So you choose to see racists comments where there are none. Got it. You're a racists because you choose to be.

And what exactly did you prove by posting a link to the other thread? I still didn't say "you people". I replied to your post...calm down man lolThe point I tried to make in the first post, that you questioned was your comment in regards to white people. It wasn't you White People, but most White People. Why did YOU bring race into that thread and article? Because you are a racist. Plain and simple. There is no other logical explanation. You choose to see racist comments where there are none. Racist.

If what happened in ND was similar to NO, then I'm 100% sure it would've gotten more media attention and if Obama didn't go he would've gotten scrutinized like G-Dub! Nit-picky shit like this is why people like me think the same thing. Maybe he meant it like you said he did but it doesn't seem that way to me.Obama hasn't been nearly as scrutinized by most media outlets because of the Liberal Media Bias. You choose to not see it. I can't help ignorance. You are apparently one of Obama's sheeple. And if that works for you, then great. But this country is not getting any better under his direction, because history has proven that a great many of his "ideas" don't work.

Gun laws - ask the British and Australians how that has worked for them.

Free Health Care - Ask the Canadiens how that's worked for them.

Then there are the things that he has outright lied about and who has said anything about it (outside of guys like Revs on message boards?) You know, like how he has completely flip-flopped on the "evil, liberty stealing" wiretapping program Bush was blasted for. Now he's all for keeping it. You've been around, if need be, I'll provide a link to the page that contains it.

Tell me, this stimulus package, where is that money coming from? Who is paying that? More government programs is not the answer.

Equal Pay? Ask the former USSR, Germany and China how that's worked out for them? When you spread the wealth around, you find there isn't enough for anybody. Socialism does not work. After this post, I'm done with you...because it's clear you are a racist and have no qualms about being such.

billybob
04-24-2009, 10:12 PM
In all fairness he has shown some capability to deal with pirates .

X-Terminator
04-24-2009, 10:13 PM
The real question should be...Does revefsreleets hate Black people? I've heard that white people from Pittsburgh and surrounding counties were racist. It's funny how some people just can't seem to accept the FACT that Mr. Obama is the President. I figured he would get criticized but comparing what happened in North Dakota to what happened in New Orleans is not even close to fair and, well, dumb.

And I noticed that backhand comment about how North Dakota citizens, aka white people, were out helping each other...unlike the ignorant black people in New Orleans, huh? Like they even had a chance to minimize Katrina...you sound stupid.

I don't care what kind of backlash I get from my post either. Am I the only black person on this site...feels like it!

No, you aren't the only black person on this site. I'm another one, and after this post, I already know what you're going to call me, so just save it.

No, Revs is not racist, and if you bothered to read more into his point, you would clearly see that. He actually has a point, as stupid as you may think it is. People in ND haven't gotten so much as a second look from the president, and no one in the media has said a word about it. Meanwhile, if you recall anything about the Katrina disaster, Bush was first criticized for not getting down there in a blink of an eye - as if he can suddenly teleport himself to and from the White House at will - and then after he did, he was criticized for that as well. Kanye West comes out and says that Bush hates black people, basically and blatantly calling him a racist, and this was AFTER he had gone down there to survey the devastation! After FEMA had come up with the plan to help out the residents and evacuees with millions of taxpayer dollars. Bush actually tried to do the right thing in the whole disaster and he STILL got his balls busted. Why? Because he's white and Republican, and of course they aren't supposed to give a shyt about poor black folks. :coffee: If that isn't the very definition of prejudice, I don't know what is.

Speaking of prejudice, the assumption that Obama is being criticized simply because he's black is just that. He isn't being criticized because of the color of his skin, he's being criticized because they don't believe he's taking this country in the right direction with his policies. I happen to agree with that sentiment. I guess that now means I hate my own race...according to your logic anyway. And if you've ever spent more than one day in this area, you would know that most people around here aren't racist by any stretch of the imagination. Sure there are some, but they exist everywhere, not just Pittsburgh. I live in the suburbs and have been to many surrounding communities and nearby towns in the region and have never had a problem. So I would suggest you get your facts straight or at least know something about what you're talking about before you shoot off your mouth.

As for New Orleans, anyone who knows anything about that area knows that it was a haven for drug trafficking both before and certainly after Katrina. There were also stores looted and people mugged after the storm had passed. That's their idea of "helping themselves?" I'd call that taking advantage of a disaster at someone else's expense. Many of these same people were then given a handout from the government that they spent on God knows what. Does that mean that they shouldn't be helped? Of course not, but let's be honest about some - and note the word SOME - of the people we're talking about here.

Go ahead and blast away. I really could care less. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I have to follow in lockstep with the prevailing black sentiments and opinion. And I certainly do not have to support Obama just because he's black - that's just as asinine, and yes, racist, as the miniscule percentage that didn't vote for him because he's black. I prefer to have a mind of my own.

revefsreleets
04-25-2009, 02:55 PM
The real question should be...Does revefsreleets hate Black people? I've heard that white people from Pittsburgh and surrounding counties were racist. It's funny how some people just can't seem to accept the FACT that Mr. Obama is the President. I figured he would get criticized but comparing what happened in North Dakota to what happened in New Orleans is not even close to fair and, well, dumb.

And I noticed that backhand comment about how North Dakota citizens, aka white people, were out helping each other...unlike the ignorant black people in New Orleans, huh? Like they even had a chance to minimize Katrina...you sound stupid.

I don't care what kind of backlash I get from my post either. Am I the only black person on this site...feels like it!

Nope, don't hate black people. BUT I also am not susceptible to white guilt and am not afraid to voice my mind. It may not be PC, but it's real.

I WILL address the issue of "people helping each other". I displayed a general garment, and you claimed it was tailored to fit you. I NEVER said black people,you did. I just said people in ND helped each other out, and were prepared...the people in NO did not and were not. There were plenty of white people in NO who did nothing to help themselves before, during and after Katrina. I'm not overlooking them, you are.

Are you disputing those facts?

I don't judge Obama on his race. Never did. He was vastly underqualified, is in over his head, and has broken a TON of campaign promises, but none of that has to do with his race. Him being elected, though has everything to do with his race. If he was white he'd have been out of the running by Super Tuesday....this is the same as Sarah Palin or Michael Steele being in the positions they are/were. If Palin was a white man, no way she gets the VP nod. Steele is the GOP chair because Republicans want to show their diversity.

lilyoder6
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
Nope, don't hate black people. BUT I also am not susceptible to white guilt and am not afraid to voice my mind. It may not be PC, but it's real.

I WILL address the issue of "people helping each other". I displayed a general garment, and you claimed it was tailored to fit you. I NEVER said black people,you did. I just said people in ND helped each other out, and were prepared...the people in NO did not and were not. There were plenty of white people in NO who did nothing to help themselves before, during and after Katrina. I'm not overlooking them, you are.

Are you disputing those facts?

I don't judge Obama on his race. Never did. He was vastly underqualified, is in over his head, and has broken a TON of campaign promises, but none of that has to do with his race. Him being elected, though has everything to do with his race. If he was white he'd have been out of the running by Super Tuesday....this is the same as Sarah Palin or Michael Steele being in the positions they are/were. If Palin was a white man, no way she gets the VP nod. Steele is the GOP chair because Republicans want to show their diversity.

:applaudit:
keep on tearing it up..

xfl2001fan
04-25-2009, 03:25 PM
In all fairness he has shown some capability to deal with pirates .

That's been refuted already. He didn't want attacks on the pirates, he wanted a tax on the pirates. :flap:

Seriously though...allowing your Generals/Admirals to order a well placed sniper team to take out 3 pirates holding one prisoner doesn't qualify as much in my book. I feel that's more a PR move than anything...and yes, I would say the same of Bush (or any Rep) if they added their name to that minor operation.

lilyoder6
04-25-2009, 03:49 PM
and obama had 2 find out that he wasn't related 2 any of the pirates first. b4 they did anything

SteelersinCA
04-25-2009, 05:09 PM
and obama had 2 find out that he wasn't related 2 any of the pirates first. b4 they did anything

Here's the line | here's you X :rofl:

xfl2001fan
04-25-2009, 06:45 PM
Here's the line | here's you X :rofl:

Huh? You quoted lilyoder and mention me.

Steel_12
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
No, you aren't the only black person on this site. I'm another one, and after this post, I already know what you're going to call me, so just save it.

No, Revs is not racist, and if you bothered to read more into his point, you would clearly see that. He actually has a point, as stupid as you may think it is. People in ND haven't gotten so much as a second look from the president, and no one in the media has said a word about it. Meanwhile, if you recall anything about the Katrina disaster, Bush was first criticized for not getting down there in a blink of an eye - as if he can suddenly teleport himself to and from the White House at will - and then after he did, he was criticized for that as well. Kanye West comes out and says that Bush hates black people, basically and blatantly calling him a racist, and this was AFTER he had gone down there to survey the devastation! After FEMA had come up with the plan to help out the residents and evacuees with millions of taxpayer dollars. Bush actually tried to do the right thing in the whole disaster and he STILL got his balls busted. Why? Because he's white and Republican, and of course they aren't supposed to give a shyt about poor black folks. :coffee: If that isn't the very definition of prejudice, I don't know what is.

Speaking of prejudice, the assumption that Obama is being criticized simply because he's black is just that. He isn't being criticized because of the color of his skin, he's being criticized because they don't believe he's taking this country in the right direction with his policies. I happen to agree with that sentiment. I guess that now means I hate my own race...according to your logic anyway. And if you've ever spent more than one day in this area, you would know that most people around here aren't racist by any stretch of the imagination. Sure there are some, but they exist everywhere, not just Pittsburgh. I live in the suburbs and have been to many surrounding communities and nearby towns in the region and have never had a problem. So I would suggest you get your facts straight or at least know something about what you're talking about before you shoot off your mouth.

As for New Orleans, anyone who knows anything about that area knows that it was a haven for drug trafficking both before and certainly after Katrina. There were also stores looted and people mugged after the storm had passed. That's their idea of "helping themselves?" I'd call that taking advantage of a disaster at someone else's expense. Many of these same people were then given a handout from the government that they spent on God knows what. Does that mean that they shouldn't be helped? Of course not, but let's be honest about some - and note the word SOME - of the people we're talking about here.

Go ahead and blast away. I really could care less. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I have to follow in lockstep with the prevailing black sentiments and opinion. And I certainly do not have to support Obama just because he's black - that's just as asinine, and yes, racist, as the miniscule percentage that didn't vote for him because he's black. I prefer to have a mind of my own.

WTF are you talking about? What am I going to call you? An uncle Tom? Nah, I think Uncle Ruckus fits you best lol...I don't give a fukk what you or anybody else thinks. Get over yourself...HOMEBOY!

I did read his point and "I" don't agree. When has the President gone to every tragedy site? There are tornados and floods in this country all the time...The President doesn't show his face at all of them. LIke I said, it's nit-picky and I get tired of all the nit-picky shit anti-Obama people come up with. And you can save all the Bush talk because I've never said he didn't do the right thing in NO.

I mentioned that people hate Obama because he's black because of the title of the thread. I don't care if you hate your own race but don't act like there aren't people who hate the fact that a minority leads this country and will find ANYTHING to discredit him or make him look incompetant. And I know people who live in Pittsburgh and that's what I got from them. So I guess I can shoot my mouth off now, huh? Is that ok with you Mr. Suburbs? I don't want to come there (unless you can get me tickets to a game) or live there.

I know about the reported muggings and looting. I never said it didn't happen. But to show on the news that black people were the only ones doing the muggings and looting is fukked up! Pictures of white people walking thru water with food didn't have captions saying they were looters, did they? Nope...but I know...I'm the oppressed black man and I always complain when people stereotype me :blah:

I don't care what you believe, Brotha! I'm just stating my opinion. Sensitive ass people, I swear. I bet all of "you people" are riled up right now lol...it's not as serious as some of you are making it.

Steel_12
04-25-2009, 07:09 PM
That is obvious but thanks for letting me know. :applaudit:



Sorry, but I don't see anywhere that revs played the race card.

Are you freakin' nuts or just plain ignorant? :banging: Bamboozled is now a "negro" word? :rofl::laughing::toofunny: Get over yourself. I'll say it one more time and maybe you'll be able to comprehend a little better. Give it a try - go ahead - YES YOU CAN!

YOU PLAYED THE RACE CARD IN THIS THREAD and you just did it again above. To make it easier, pay attention to the bolded text above. ^^^^



I don't believe that the word "bling" is a "stereotypical word" at all and obviously, neither does Mr. Webster:

http://plus.aol.com/aol/dictionary?query=bling&flv=1



Guess my facts again trump your guess.



Because these mental midgets did nothing to hide the fact that they were spending the aid given to them by the government irresponsibly. Again - do a Google search and read all about it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that people living at poverty level before Katrina suddenly are in possession of plasma TV's, pricey bling, expensive cars, etc., etc., etc. after they were aided by the government. Drug trafficking is HUGE in NO and it was reported that trafficking was on the rise after Katrina in NO and the surrounding area. 1 + 1 = 2.



HELL YES and twice on Sunday.

If McCain is Bush, Jr., I suppose that makes The Savior Bush III since he's been adopting quite a few of the same GWB policies that he denounced. And speaking of VP's - I'd rather have Sarah Palin as my VP than a drunken, foul-mouthed dullard like Biden. Speaking of which - he's been virtually invisible since the election. Is he on another bender? :alcoholic:



:jawdrop: Are you serious? Oops - I forgot - you're "never serious". My mistake. :bowdown:

I guess everyone who has made a racist remark in their lives or has "thought it" is the spouse of a former Senator and current President of the United States. :doh: :shake01: This is a woman who American women are supposed to look up to as a role model. I have no respect for her whatsoever and as I said - I view her as a racist. A turnip has more class. Sarah Palin isn't perfect, but she has more class and dignity in her left niplet than Michelle Obama has in her entire being.

So he didn't play the race card? If Kanye West saying that Bush hates black people is using the race card, how is what Revs said not using the race card? Oh, I see...only black people can play the race card. It's not in the white deck of cards that I buy at the gas station lol

LMAO according to Spike Lee, Bamboozled is the negroest word ever :chuckle:

Again, the title plays the race card

Where do you think the word bling comes from? It definitely didn't come from the rich folks wearing that expensive jewelry. It came from the streets and before it was even in the dictionary, it was only used by black people unless white people were making jokes. I'm far from ignorant sweetie...yes, I just called you sweetie lol

I guess in your world 1+1=2...but everything isn't always as it seems in my world. NO need to google it, I know what was reported. But that just means they looted...that doesn't tell you what they spent their FEMA checks on...which is what we were discussing.

Bush III? Negative! Every President has adopted some of the policies his predecessor implemented. He will make this country better...I truly believe that. But if you clowns think it's going to happen after 4 months in office, you're all delusional!!!

Michelle Obama isn't perfect either, obviously. And if her daughters get pregnant as teenagers then I'll put her in the same category as Palin. I'm LMAO @ niplet...haven't heard that one in years.

Steel_12
04-25-2009, 07:18 PM
Nope, don't hate black people. BUT I also am not susceptible to white guilt and am not afraid to voice my mind. It may not be PC, but it's real.

I WILL address the issue of "people helping each other". I displayed a general garment, and you claimed it was tailored to fit you. I NEVER said black people,you did. I just said people in ND helped each other out, and were prepared...the people in NO did not and were not. There were plenty of white people in NO who did nothing to help themselves before, during and after Katrina. I'm not overlooking them, you are.

Are you disputing those facts?

I don't judge Obama on his race. Never did. He was vastly underqualified, is in over his head, and has broken a TON of campaign promises, but none of that has to do with his race. Him being elected, though has everything to do with his race. If he was white he'd have been out of the running by Super Tuesday....this is the same as Sarah Palin or Michael Steele being in the positions they are/were. If Palin was a white man, no way she gets the VP nod. Steele is the GOP chair because Republicans want to show their diversity.

I'm not PC either, Steelersfever backwards. Thanks for clarifying what you meant...I still see it my way though. What can I say, I'm hard-headed :noidea:...what facts? That their situation wasn't nearly as dire as Katrina? Katrina victims didn't have a chance to "help each other out". Explain how they did...if you feel like it, of course.

I only brought up race because you asked that question in your title. How long has he been in office? Seriously, do you really feel that 4 months is enough time to evaluate him?

SteelersinCA
04-25-2009, 08:59 PM
Huh? You quoted lilyoder and mention me.

No that was X for X marks the spot, I couldn't think of another way to mark where he was. :noidea:

xfl2001fan
04-25-2009, 09:26 PM
No that was X for X marks the spot, I couldn't think of another way to mark where he was. :noidea:

Got it...I'm used to people at work telling me I dance on the other side of the line...:noidea:

X-Terminator
04-26-2009, 11:48 AM
WTF are you talking about? What am I going to call you? An uncle Tom? Nah, I think Uncle Ruckus fits you best lol...I don't give a fukk what you or anybody else thinks. Get over yourself...HOMEBOY!

WTF am I talking about? You know damn well that any black person who doesn't follow the black groupthink or, God forbid, have conservative beliefs, is called an Uncle Tom. Black Republicans are called "House N...." Don't be obtuse - you know it's true.

I did read his point and "I" don't agree. When has the President gone to every tragedy site? There are tornados and floods in this country all the time...The President doesn't show his face at all of them. LIke I said, it's nit-picky and I get tired of all the nit-picky shit anti-Obama people come up with. And you can save all the Bush talk because I've never said he didn't do the right thing in NO.

No more nit-picky than any other president before him. That includes both Bushes and Clinton. Oh BTW, are you going to blast the left for all of the "nit-picky shit" they came up with to bash McCain/Palin during the election? Somehow I doubt it. They ALL do it, dude. Don't just trash one side while ignoring your own.

I mentioned that people hate Obama because he's black because of the title of the thread. I don't care if you hate your own race but don't act like there aren't people who hate the fact that a minority leads this country and will find ANYTHING to discredit him or make him look incompetant. And I know people who live in Pittsburgh and that's what I got from them. So I guess I can shoot my mouth off now, huh? Is that ok with you Mr. Suburbs? I don't want to come there (unless you can get me tickets to a game) or live there.

I don't believe I said that there aren't people in this country who hate the fact that a minority in this country. There are PLENTY of them. I even said before the man was even elected that I thought there would be an attempt on his life by some lunatic who still thinks it's the 1800s and didn't think a black man belonged in the White House, and I still believe that. But that doesn't mean that ALL of Obama's critics feel that way! It's prejudiced no matter how you slice it, and not much different than all of the prejudices and stereotypes against blacks. Same thing about Pittsburgh being a racist city. I don't deny and never have denied that there aren't racists here. There are. I'm not friggin stupid, OK? But again, you're judging and stereotyping the entire city based on the MINORITY of people who live here.

I know about the reported muggings and looting. I never said it didn't happen. But to show on the news that black people were the only ones doing the muggings and looting is fukked up! Pictures of white people walking thru water with food didn't have captions saying they were looters, did they? Nope...but I know...I'm the oppressed black man and I always complain when people stereotype me :blah:

So you're saying that the media is biased then? Gee, what a shocker there! Believe it or not, I agree with you on that point. The media has always been biased in that regard, and that leads to stereotypes. I hate the fact that some places I go, I still get "the look" simply because I'm black. I joke around about it quite a bit, actually, because that's what it is - a joke. See, even in all of our disagreements, we find some common ground.

I don't care what you believe, Brotha! I'm just stating my opinion. Sensitive ass people, I swear. I bet all of "you people" are riled up right now lol...it's not as serious as some of you are making it.

Same here, brotha. I'd just like to be taken more seriously whenever I discuss this stuff with my family and black friends. I'm sick of being labeled and called names just because I don't believe what they do. I feel much more comfortable doing it online because more often than not, I don't have to deal with it. And as for the overall point, it's still a viable point if you get past all of the emotional BS and look at it for what it is. Plus, you came in here guns-a-blazin' and getting all fired up, and you call OTHER people sensitive? Come on, man.

Steel_12
04-26-2009, 04:06 PM
WTF am I talking about? You know damn well that any black person who doesn't follow the black groupthink or, God forbid, have conservative beliefs, is called an Uncle Tom. Black Republicans are called "House N...." Don't be obtuse - you know it's true.



No more nit-picky than any other president before him. That includes both Bushes and Clinton. Oh BTW, are you going to blast the left for all of the "nit-picky shit" they came up with to bash McCain/Palin during the election? Somehow I doubt it. They ALL do it, dude. Don't just trash one side while ignoring your own.


I don't believe I said that there aren't people in this country who hate the fact that a minority in this country. There are PLENTY of them. I even said before the man was even elected that I thought there would be an attempt on his life by some lunatic who still thinks it's the 1800s and didn't think a black man belonged in the White House, and I still believe that. But that doesn't mean that ALL of Obama's critics feel that way! It's prejudiced no matter how you slice it, and not much different than all of the prejudices and stereotypes against blacks. Same thing about Pittsburgh being a racist city. I don't deny and never have denied that there aren't racists here. There are. I'm not friggin stupid, OK? But again, you're judging and stereotyping the entire city based on the MINORITY of people who live here.



So you're saying that the media is biased then? Gee, what a shocker there! Believe it or not, I agree with you on that point. The media has always been biased in that regard, and that leads to stereotypes. I hate the fact that some places I go, I still get "the look" simply because I'm black. I joke around about it quite a bit, actually, because that's what it is - a joke. See, even in all of our disagreements, we find some common ground.



Same here, brotha. I'd just like to be taken more seriously whenever I discuss this stuff with my family and black friends. I'm sick of being labeled and called names just because I don't believe what they do. I feel much more comfortable doing it online because more often than not, I don't have to deal with it. And as for the overall point, it's still a viable point if you get past all of the emotional BS and look at it for what it is. Plus, you came in here guns-a-blazin' and getting all fired up, and you call OTHER people sensitive? Come on, man.

I'm not sensitive...I was just stating my opinion. I didn't mean to come off that way.

I see your points and I agree with some of them. I'm tired of this convo anyway lol.

Go Steelers! :tt02:

HometownGal
04-26-2009, 09:28 PM
I'm not sensitive...I was just stating my opinion. I didn't mean to come off that way.



You are extremely sensitive imho. You are race-baiting and reading things that just aren't there.

While I will be the first to admit that I am not an Obamaniac, race had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to support John McCain and Sarah Palin. I simply felt that McCain was a lot more credible, more experienced and better able and more qualified to take this country in the right direction. Obama has done nothing thus far to change my mind on those beliefs. On the contrary, in his 3+ months in office, he has only solidified my reasonings for backing the McCain/Palin ticket.

I'm tired of this convo anyway lol.



Hallelujah!

revefsreleets
04-27-2009, 09:01 AM
I will clarify AGAIN then I'm done.

I purposefully used an inflamatory and ridiculous statement as my thread title, because it's apropos. The claim that Bush hates black people was ridiculous. My title is ridiculous. I'm merely stating that one bad turn deserves another...

Bush was criticized for everything he did concerning Katrina. If he'd have shown up on day one and personally started helicoptering people off rooftops the media would have found some way to bash him for that. The guy could do no right.

And Obama can do no wrong.

THAT is my point.

xfl2001fan
04-27-2009, 10:13 AM
B-b-b-b-ut Bush was a White Supremecist, Greedy Capitalistic Elitist Racist Warmonger.

Steel_12
04-27-2009, 05:47 PM
You are extremely sensitive imho. You are race-baiting and reading things that just aren't there.

While I will be the first to admit that I am not an Obamaniac, race had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to support John McCain and Sarah Palin. I simply felt that McCain was a lot more credible, more experienced and better able and more qualified to take this country in the right direction. Obama has done nothing thus far to change my mind on those beliefs. On the contrary, in his 3+ months in office, he has only solidified my reasonings for backing the McCain/Palin ticket.



Hallelujah!

Again, I'm not sensitive and a lot of people misinterpret what people say on message boards. Race baiting? Did I come up with the thread? "Does Obama hate white people" isn't race baiting? FOH!

Good for you...like I said before, i respect your opinion.

HometownGal
04-27-2009, 06:01 PM
Again, I'm not sensitive and a lot of people misinterpret what people say on message boards. Race baiting? Did I come up with the thread? "Does Obama hate white people" isn't race baiting? FOH!

Good for you...like I said before, i respect your opinion.

Maybe I'll start a thread titled "Does Michelle Obama Hate White People?" Hell - I could post credible links for days on end proving that point. She's made that task very easy :chuckle:

I'm sorry - I do feel you were race-baiting. revs has explained several times now what his intent was with regard to the thread title and his opening post and I think that should more than suffice. I think his query is very valid and something I've been wondering myself, i.e. why Obama is given a free pass at just about every turn and his predecessor was deluged with negativity if he turned his head. :noidea:

I respect your opinion, as well, though I don't agree with it. :drink:

Dino 6 Rings
04-27-2009, 06:02 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Obama still hates me.

Steel_12
04-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Maybe I'll start a thread titled "Does Michelle Obama Hate White People?" Hell - I could post credible links for days on end proving that point. She's made that task very easy :chuckle:

I'm sorry - I do feel you were race-baiting. revs has explained several times now what his intent was with regard to the thread title and his opening post and I think that should more than suffice. I think his query is very valid and something I've been wondering myself, i.e. why Obama is given a free pass at just about every turn and his predecessor was deluged with negativity if he turned his head. :noidea:

I respect your opinion, as well, though I don't agree with it. :drink:

Maybe he is given a free pass because he hasn't been in office long enough...Maybe it's because Bush was an idiot...Maybe because they beat up on Bush so much that they feel bad (ok maybe not lol)...

Obama loves you :wave:

HometownGal
04-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Maybe he is given a free pass because he hasn't been in office long enough...

Hogwash. The Bush bashing by the liberal media began even before 911.

Maybe it's because Bush was an idiot...

By the end of Obama's first and only term in office, some of these voters who bought into Obama's pie in the sky schtick are going to realize Bush really wasn't the anti-Christ. I guarantee it.

Maybe because they beat up on Bush so much that they feel bad (ok maybe not lol)...



They beat up on Bush for one reason and one reason only - he is a Republican.

Obama loves you :wave:

That just made my night and makes me tingle from head to toe. NOT. :yuck: :wave:

Edman
04-27-2009, 09:58 PM
People beat up Bush because he was incompetent at his job and couldn't speak full sentences, but whatever. HTG was ready to crucify Obama the moment he popped up, so her insistent bashing of him is no surprise. I would expect nothing less from someone who voted for a gagged Republican mouthpiece who chose as his vice president a woman who couldn't understand that Africa is a continent.

People are going to give Obama a chance, just like they gave Bush a chance. We'll see how he'll go with this.

I seem to remember plenty of people rallying behind Bush after 9/11. But no, that never happened. The liberal media is at fault. It's all their fault.

X-Terminator
04-27-2009, 10:12 PM
People beat up Bush because he was incompetent at his job and couldn't speak full sentences, but whatever. HTG was ready to crucify Obama the moment he popped up, so her insistent bashing of him is no surprise. I would expect nothing less from someone who voted for a gagged Republican mouthpiece who chose as his vice president a woman who couldn't understand that Africa is a continent.

People are going to give Obama a chance, just like they gave Bush a chance. We'll see how he'll go with this.

I seem to remember plenty of people rallying behind Bush after 9/11. But no, that never happened. The liberal media is at fault. It's all their fault.

And of course, Obama has done absolutely nothing worth bashing him for, so why don't those damn people leave him alone! :coffee:

Much of his platform is worth the "insistent bashing." He's mortgaging the future in order to fix things now with his economic plans, something that I recall Bush being crucified for during most of his term any time he proposed tax cuts. Why should that NOT be discussed? Why does Obama deserve a free pass for that?

And the left gave Bush a chance? When? Even now, many on the left believe he stole the election in 2000. He got bashed even before he spent one day in office. But I guess that's A-OK, but now that it's happening to their guy, it's wrong, wrong, wrong!

xfl2001fan
04-27-2009, 10:15 PM
People beat up Bush because he was incompetent at his job and couldn't speak full sentences, but whatever. HTG was ready to crucify Obama the moment he popped up, so her insistent bashing of him is no surprise.
Maybe if he had any experience at all, he'd be worth looking at as our President.


I would expect nothing less from someone who voted for a gagged Republican mouthpiece who chose as his vice president a woman who couldn't understand that Africa is a continent. As opposed to a guy who is only eloquent when reading a prehashed speech from a teleprompter who thinks we have 57 states. If I have to choose between someone not knowing World Geography and American Geography, I'll take the former.

People are going to give Obama a chance, just like they gave Bush a chance. We'll see how he'll go with this. He wasn't given much of a chance though. And he's been nailed to the wall by the very same Democrat in office now for a plethora of "failed policies"...which oddly enough, are being taken up by the Eloquent Reader.

I seem to remember plenty of people rallying behind Bush after 9/11. But no, that never happened. The liberal media is at fault. It's all their fault.

It wasn't long after 9/11 that the attacks came. It's not all of the liberal media's fault. The Democratic party has had their part in it...as well as the blind sheople who believe in the whole "change" policy. Other than the ever increasing amount of money being spent/given away by the federal government, what has really changed?

HometownGal
04-27-2009, 10:49 PM
HTG was ready to crucify Obama the moment he popped up, so her insistent bashing of him is no surprise. I would expect nothing less from someone who voted for a gagged Republican mouthpiece who chose as his vice president a woman who couldn't understand that Africa is a continent.



You, sir, are a liar and I resent your fabricated spin. I am proud to say that I didn't vote for Obaaaaaama and feel to this day that McCain was the much better choice to lead this country. When The Savior won the election, I stated that I would give him a chance and thus far, as I've said repeatedly, he has done absolutely NOTHING to sway my original opinion of him that he is extremely inexperienced and unqualified to hold the highest office in the land. With all of the people on this board who didn't and aren't eating the Obama bullshit creme pie as you obviously did, you are going to single me out? :rolleyes: :jerkit:

What did Obaaaaama choose in a VP? A foul-mouthed drunkard who has basically been invisible since he took office.

Edman
04-28-2009, 02:20 AM
No HTG, it is you who is the liar. I can go all the way back to a certain thread during Obama's president-elect speech and throwing up a piss storm. No you didn't give him a chance. On the chopping block from day one. Country going down the crapper. America is screwed". 100 something days later, the same same sentiment. You just don't like him, and you never will. It was wrong of me to single you out. Others share this very same opinion of yours. XT especially.

You people want "experience" in the office? Look what "experience" has done for us in the past eight years. It's the liberal Media's fault though, right? Those damn liberals at it again. All this theorizing about Obama being a socialist, communist, terrorist is no different nor any more sensational than "Bush STOLE the 2000 Elections" I might add. Not once did I say it was wrong to bash Obama. If you don't agree with his policies, fine.

Bottom Line is, no matter who you voted for, the Bush administration's mess is going to take years to fix. Obama is not going to wave a magic wand and make it all go away. And neither is Mccain nor the Hockey Mom.

revefsreleets
04-28-2009, 09:20 AM
People beat up Bush because he was incompetent at his job and couldn't speak full sentences, but whatever.



It appears to me that Obama may be less competent than Bush, but he CAN speak in complete sentences.

Is that all that we ask of our Presidents now? Speak well? We don't care how bad you eff things up, just be sure you are eloquent as you do it...

fansince'76
04-28-2009, 09:26 AM
No HTG, it is you who is the liar. I can go all the way back to a certain thread during Obama's president-elect speech and throwing up a piss storm. No you didn't give him a chance.

WRONG.

From a post dated November 6, 2008:

Begrudingly, I am going to give him a chance to prove me wrong and I hope for America's sake, and the sake of this younger generation who helped to put him into office, he does. :drink:

Not everyone voted for the "Savior," Edman. Get over it and deal with it already.

X-Terminator
04-28-2009, 09:38 AM
No HTG, it is you who is the liar. I can go all the way back to a certain thread during Obama's president-elect speech and throwing up a piss storm. No you didn't give him a chance. On the chopping block from day one. Country going down the crapper. America is screwed". 100 something days later, the same same sentiment. You just don't like him, and you never will. It was wrong of me to single you out. Others share this very same opinion of yours. XT especially.

Wrong again. I gave Obama a chance because I wanted to see what kind of policies he would try to implement in order to get things back on track. Same for HTG. And what does he propose? A massive "stimulus" bill, yet another bailout package for Wall Street and massive spending increases in other areas at a time when we should be trying to be a little frugal in how and where the government spends money. Trillion-dollar deficits is NOT the answer to our economic problems. Shifting the burden onto future generations because of the typical American "give it to me NOW" attitude is NOT the answer to our economic problems. That's why he's being criticized by both of us. But you and other liberals act like we're not allowed to do that.

You people want "experience" in the office? Look what "experience" has done for us in the past eight years. It's the liberal Media's fault though, right? Those damn liberals at it again. All this theorizing about Obama being a socialist, communist, terrorist is no different nor any more sensational than "Bush STOLE the 2000 Elections" I might add. Not once did I say it was wrong to bash Obama. If you don't agree with his policies, fine.

Well, you could have fooled me with the accusations you've made. If bashing Obama and disagreeing with his policies is fine, then what's the problem? I've never bought into the Obama kool-aid that so many have been drinking, but HTG and I were still willing to give the man a chance. And yes, I DO want someone more experienced in office, and Obama has shown why I (and HTG) have that sentiment. The man is in over his head - in my opinion.

Bottom Line is, no matter who you voted for, the Bush administration's mess is going to take years to fix. Obama is not going to wave a magic wand and make it all go away. And neither is Mccain nor the Hockey Mom.

Tell that to the millions of people who voted for Obama, who thought he was going to do just that. That's what happens when you promise everyone the Sun, Moon and stars in order to get elected. The proof is in the polls, where people still aren't confident in the economy and don't feel the country is going in the right direction.

HometownGal
04-28-2009, 09:46 AM
No HTG, it is you who is the liar. I can go all the way back to a certain thread during Obama's president-elect speech and throwing up a piss storm. No you didn't give him a chance. On the chopping block from day one. Country going down the crapper. America is screwed". 100 something days later, the same same sentiment. You just don't like him, and you never will. It was wrong of me to single you out. Others share this very same opinion of yours. XT especially.



I have never pretended to be a fan of Obaaaaama and I wasn't happy at all when he was elected as my country's President. However, I did state that I would give him a chance to prove my vote wrong and in his first 100 or so days, the only thing he has proven thus far, outside of his ability to put this country into even more debt, mocking America to terrorist nations, and showing himself to be the inexperienced, unqualified, hypocritical fraud I've always believed him to be, is that my vote against him was the right choice. As I've also said, I don't hate the man and when I feel he has earned my kudos, he will receive it, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of the downward direction I feel he is taking this country. You Demos don't like the shoe being on the other foot, do you? How dare anyone find fault with The Messiah? We should all be damned. :shake02:

You people want "experience" in the office? Look what "experience" has done for us in the past eight years. It's the liberal Media's fault though, right? Those damn liberals at it again. All this theorizing about Obama being a socialist, communist, terrorist is no different nor any more sensational than "Bush STOLE the 2000 Elections" I might add. Not once did I say it was wrong to bash Obama. If you don't agree with his policies, fine.



Really? You just called me out on it above. :doh:

I know what "experience" (and a President with a backbone) did for me in the last 8 years - my family and those I love were kept safe from harm and the terrorists kept on the other side of world in their shitholes. Y'know what? If we are again attacked by terrorists, chances are we wouldn't need to be worried about the economy, health care, global warming, etc. etc. etc. Can't be concerned about those issues if you're 6 feet under.

Bottom Line is, no matter who you voted for, the Bush administration's mess is going to take years to fix. Obama is not going to wave a magic wand and make it all go away. And neither is Mccain nor the Hockey Mom.

Obviously, you aren't aware (or had two slices of that Obama bullshit creme pie) that the current economic crisis wasn't conceived during the Bush administration. Yes - the article below is from a conservative source, but Mr. Sowell is spot on regarding the whys and hows on where this all began.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/03/do_facts_matter

Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 09:59 AM
Edman

You people want "experience" in the office? Look what "experience" has done for us in the past eight years.

Bottom Line is, no matter who you voted for, the Bush administration's mess is going to take years to fix.


I like you Edman but you are making generalized "Bush bashing" statements here so I'm going to have to call you on the carpet.

What SPECIFICALLY did Bush do that was so bad that it will take years to fix?

People like you and Dom are ALREADY using the excuse that somehow "Bush" made things so bad that it will take more than 4 years to fix.

People who make such generalizations to ALREADY justify voting democrat in four years by even blaming Obama's possible failure on Bush, come across as EXTREMELY partisan and close minded, just as you are accusing others of being.

So again, I am just asking for specifics.

What did Bush do that was so bad and what is Obama doing that is so much better?

tony hipchest
04-28-2009, 10:45 AM
so wait... let me get this straight?

the WHOLE point of this thread was to say obama can do no wrong and bush could do no right?

:toofunny:

so what makes this thread any different than ANY of the political threads revs starts or posts in? :coffee:

im tellin ya, its a boarderline obsession. :blah:

i mean i get it... his guy mccain lost.

and he has spent every day since blaming the media and obamas race for his boys loss.

(maybe "attributing" obamas race for a win is a better word but reading this crap sure sounds like the typical "blame")

its time to face the facts...

mccain lost because the GOP couldnt put together a capable campaign, and mccain couldnt surround himself with adequate advisors if his life depended on it.

blaming the media is weak.

obama is president because mccain LOST, dropped the ball, screwed the pooch, choked, whatever you wanna call it.

the presidency was there for the taking....

revefsreleets
04-28-2009, 10:54 AM
so wait... let me get this straight?

the WHOLE point of this thread was to say obama can do no wrong and bush could do no right?

:toofunny:

so what makes this thread any different than ANY of the political threads revs starts or posts in? :coffee:

im tellin ya, its a boarderline obsession. :blah:

i mean i get it... his guy mccain lost.

and he has spent every day since blaming the media and obamas race for his boys loss.

(maybe "attributing" obamas race for a win is a better word but reading this crap sure sounds like the typical "blame")

its time to face the facts...

mccain lost because the GOP couldnt put together a capable campaign, and mccain couldnt surround himself with adequate advisors if his life depended on it.

blaming the media is weak.

obama is president because mccain LOST, dropped the ball, screwed the pooch, choked, whatever you wanna call it.

the presidency was there for the taking....

WOAH!

This has nothing to do with McCain. Actually has little to do with Bush, too...

BUT it has a lot to do with how public perception is being massaged through a very friendly media who handles this president with kid gloves.

The campaigns are over. The race was won. The promises were made (and are now being broken left and right).

"My threads" are NOT blaming the media for an old loss. They are stating the increasingly clear fact that it is difficult for most people to make an accurate assessment of the job the current president is doing with the media not doing it's job, or doing it's job in a biased fashion.

I used the disaster scenario to illustrate a point. What Bush did or did not do was immaterial. What is germane is the perception that is shaped through a sympathetic press. There will be mid-term electiosn in a year and a half, and, unfortuantely, too many people in this country like their news spoon-fed to them through the major media outlets, and those same outlets are not being fair and balanced. They looked at every Bush action througha jaundiced eye, and view Obama's action through rose colored glasses.

It's interesting to me the repeated theme of attacking me for delivering this message. I didn't make this up. It's a very clear and apparent difference in the way the two Presidents are treated. Attacking me personally for talking about it in no way changes the fact that perceptions are being molded by the media in a way that is not critical enough of Obama. He is making a lot of mistakes. He is continuing a lot of things that the media told us was awful and evil a short time ago. Why aren't those awful and evil things STILL awful and evil? Why is it bad wehn Bush does it, okay when Obama does the same or even WORSE?

When he flip-flops, it's not in the news. When he extends/expands yet another "failed Bush policy", you don't hear about it (or, like the wiretaps, it's on page 6). When he breaks another campaign promise, who talks about that? It's simply not fair and equitable and I'm not going to stop pointing it out as long as it continues.

SteelersinCA
04-28-2009, 11:04 AM
It appears to me that Obama may be less competent than Bush, but he CAN speak in complete sentences.



As long as the teleprompter keeps up!!!:chuckle:

tony hipchest
04-28-2009, 11:07 AM
nobody is attacking you personally. im just illustrating a point that ALL of your posts are laced with media blame.

:hunch:

and being that you post so much about hypocricy and double standards, you might wanna think twice about suggesting that I am personally attacking YOU.

SteelersinCA
04-28-2009, 11:07 AM
the presidency was there for the taking....


It was absolutely there for the taking, The Repubs had very few viable candidates to compete against Obama.

revefsreleets
04-28-2009, 11:16 AM
nobody is attacking you personally. im just illustrating a point that ALL of your posts are laced with media blame.

:hunch:

and being that you post so much about hypocricy and double standards, you might wanna think twice about suggesting that I am personally attacking YOU.

What you are doing is defelcting by referencing me, and not addressing the argument.

tony hipchest
04-28-2009, 11:38 AM
what argument? there is no argument. just hundereds of posts ranting how the media treats obama more favorably than bush.

in other news- the media treats mother teresa more favorably than adolph hitler.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 11:49 AM
blaming the media is weak.



I think the other thing Revs has done a good job of pointing out, at least to me. Is how the Obama supporters had already made up their mind to vote for Obama and used ridiculous reasoning to justify it.

For instance, when it was brought up that Obama was incredibly inexperienced and had little or no qualifications, some on the left stated that was OK because they were confident he would surround himself with competent people. huh? wow.

Now THAT is WEAK.

Another example of weak argument is when a die hard lib, seeing signs that Obama is starting to reverse his campaign promises, instead of acknowledging concern, states that it is a sign that Obama is "smart". wow. Now THAT's REALLY WEAK.

To me, these are extremely weak arguments and were a republican to be this inexperienced, flip flopping, and spending our grand childrens inheritance like a trophy wife with a no limit Amex, I doubt these would be the responses we'd be getting from these same die hard libs.....in fact I can guarantee it.

...what hypocrisy....

......Good job Revs.

Edman
04-28-2009, 12:02 PM
That's nice. But I really don't care wether you guys like me or not. As for what Bush did?

-KNEW of Al Qaeda's threat before 9/11 and shrugged it off.
-Read a children's BOOK for a few minutes instead of going to action when the planes hit the tower.
-Using American Despair from 9/11 to his advantage to push the Patriot Act. Stepping all of over the Constitution in the process.
-Sent Millions of troops to die in Iraq. And for what? Saddam? Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found?
-Doubled the National Debt in eight years of office.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/15/big-spender-debt-heads-home-to-texas/
-Failure to capture Bin Laden. The SOLE reason we even went into war in the first place.
-Disrespect our longtime allies and turn them against us. I'm sorry, if Obama "making fun of the US to everyone else" is so terrible. I don't know what you'll call this. It's about damn time this country showed a little humility after years of flexing our muscles with no results.

And before you guys who say my claim that Bush was given a fair shot is complete bull, After 9/11, his approval rating was 85%. Higher than any other president before him. We gave him a shot. Plenty of shots. We rallied behind him. He failed. And now the tough talking Texan was sent one his way with the tail between his legs. But he sure did a helluva job protecting us from those mean ol' terrorists though, huh? If you want to generalize me as a liberal, I can generalize you guys as know nothing conservatives. But that would make me wrong. I'll jump on the Impeach Obama bandwagon when his policies end up failing and we make no progress in four years. I'll jump on the Impeach Obama bandwagon when his lies get people killed.

If that makes me a liberal, so be it. You criticize the liberal media, as if the conservative media is the only source worth listening to. The fact that you keep using "The Messiah" in an shallow attempt to insult me is evidence enough how bitter you are.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Edman

That's nice. But I really don't care wether you guys like me or not. As for what Bush did?

Sent Millions of troops to die in Iraq. And for what? Saddam? Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found?

Millions died in Iraq? That's news to me.

And did you forget that the libs were on board when we went into Iraq? Were they not liars and deceivers too? They had the same intel. Or did you conveniently forget that because that is not consistent with your liberal biased ONLY bash Bush agenda?



-Doubled the National Debt in eight years of office.

So you're concerned about debt and have no concerns about Obama's new spending and debt?

If you want to generalize me as a liberal, I can generalize you guys as know nothing conservatives.

Yes, I have no choice but to see you as a partisan liberal. I have not heard you say one reasonable thing, only "Bash Bush" and not express the least bit of concern about anything Obama has done.

I'm a conservative and you can feel free to paint me that way. I'm proud if it, not embarrassed.....

You have called me a know-nothing conservative and I have no problem with your name calling.

So why don't you now show me that YOU know something.

I have one simple question for you Edman.

WHY are you a liberal? What do you believe about the liberal philosophy and the democrats platform that is good for this country?

SteelersinCA
04-28-2009, 12:27 PM
That's nice. But I really don't care wether you guys like me or not. As for what Bush did?

-KNEW of Al Qaeda's threat before 9/11 and shrugged it off.
-Read a children's BOOK for a few minutes instead of going to action when the planes hit the tower.
-Using American Despair from 9/11 to his advantage to push the Patriot Act. Stepping all of over the Constitution in the process.
-Sent Millions of troops to die in Iraq. And for what? Saddam? Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found?
-Doubled the National Debt in eight years of office.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/15/big-spender-debt-heads-home-to-texas/
-Failure to capture Bin Laden. The SOLE reason we even went into war in the first place.
-Disrespect our longtime allies and turn them against us. I'm sorry, if Obama "making fun of the US to everyone else" is so terrible. I don't know what you'll call this. It's about damn time this country showed a little humility after years of flexing our muscles with no results.

And before you guys who say my claim that Bush was given a fair shot is complete bull, After 9/11, his approval rating was 85%. Higher than any other president before him. We gave him a shot. Plenty of shots. We rallied behind him. He failed. And now the tough talking Texan was sent one his way with the tail between his legs. But he sure did a helluva job protecting us from those mean ol' terrorists though, huh? If you want to generalize me as a liberal, I can generalize you guys as know nothing conservatives. But that would make me wrong. I'll jump on the Impeach Obama bandwagon when his policies end up failing and we make no progress in four years. I'll jump on the Impeach Obama bandwagon when his lies get people killed.

If that makes me a liberal, so be it. You criticize the liberal media, as if the conservative media is the only source worth listening to. The fact that you keep using "The Messiah" in an shallow attempt to insult me is evidence enough how bitter you are.

I'm not criticizing you or Rev, but the question was what did Bush do that would take years to overcome.

-Clinton knew of Al Qaeda as well, does he share the blame?

-Something tells me reading a children's book for a few extra minutes, whether right or wrong, didn't alter the repercussions of 9/11 to a substantial degree.

-Obama is just as guilty with the Patriot Act, wiretaps, cutting defendant's rights, so that's a wash to me. If anything Obama certainly isn't trying to "fix" any Bush missteps there.

-I don't think millions of troops were sent anywhere, we don't have millions of troops.

-Doubled the National debt? Serious? Really? Obama has spent, allocated, increased the debt more in 100 days than the past Presidents combined.

-We don't have Bin Laden, but how many attacks did he prevent by going after him? I don't know the answer either.

-There are other ways to repair relationships besides self deprecation.

Edman
04-28-2009, 12:39 PM
My attitudes are not "reasonable" because it doesn't fit with the conservative attitudes with the majority users of this board. I must be "Bash Bush" when pointing out how much of an incompetent stooge he was as a president. The only defense did you have for him is "he defended the country" which has been proven time and time again that is false and that the Americans turned on him from day one. Once again proven false.

People are bashing Bush because he did a poor job. People going to bash Obama when he fails. I will bash Obama when his policies fail. It's apples and oranges. Bush had eight years to put this country in a good position and he left it a mess. Obama is only on the job for not even a year. Obama being a "Messiah" has nothing to do with it. But thanks for once again showcasing the "make excuses" mentality this country has.

revefsreleets
04-28-2009, 12:57 PM
Public perception is being formed based on what pop culture news stations and newspapers are writing. The FACT is they do not judge Obama by the same standards that they judged Bush.

The absolute and unequivocable proof lies in the teatment of "Bush Policies". According to the mainstream media (and, in many cases, Obama himself) they were horrible, wrong, and immoral.

But now that Obama is in office, those same policies have new life. They've been resurrected and now, suddenly they an't so bad.

How can that be?

MACH1
04-28-2009, 12:57 PM
My attitudes are not "reasonable" because it doesn't fit with the conservative attitudes with the majority users of this board. I must be "Bash Bush" when pointing out how much of an incompetent stooge he was as a president. The only defense did you have for him is "he defended the country" which has been proven time and time again that is false and that the Americans turned on him from day one. Once again proven false.

People are bashing Bush because he did a poor job. People going to bash Obama when he fails. I will bash Obama when his policies fail. It's apples and oranges. Bush had eight years to put this country in a good position and he left it a mess. Obama is only on the job for not even a year. Obama being a "Messiah" has nothing to do with it. But thanks for once again showcasing the "make excuses" mentality this country has.

Pot meet kettle......And obaaaaama stands up and takes fault when he screws up or doe's he throw someone under the bus. (its not my fault) How many times has obaaaama said that. Its not my fault I have to spend away any future you or your grandchildren might of had. It's not my fault there's not 57 states. Its not my fault I've adopted Bush policies.

fansince'76
04-28-2009, 12:59 PM
People are bashing Bush because he did a poor job. People are going to bash Obama when he fails.

Sincerely doubt it, but we'll see. If Bush did such a "poor job," why has Obama adopted so many of his "failed policies" thus far?

fansince'76
04-28-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm sorry, if Obama "making fun of the US to everyone else" is so terrible. I don't know what you'll call this. It's about damn time this country showed a little humility after years of flexing our muscles with no results.

It's called "looking out for one's own interest" and EVERYBODY does it. It's just when the U.S. does it, we're a "big bully." If we didn't look out for our own interests, I can guaran-damn-tee you nobody else will. And I don't appreciate my president going overseas, playing the "blame America for all the world's problems" card in an attempt to score brownie points with people who hate our guts and eating shit in the name of "diplomacy" either.

Dino 6 Rings
04-28-2009, 01:06 PM
Apparently Obama hates New Yorkers, nothing like causing a Little Terror in the hearts of voters for a Photo Op of Air Force One.

Oh, and he still hates me.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 01:08 PM
My attitudes are not "reasonable" because it doesn't fit with the conservative attitudes with the majority users of this board.

I never said that your attitudes aren't reasonable because I honestly don't know what they are. but the one-sided way in which you are presenting things makes you appear completely anti-Bush and anti-republican in general, as many democrats are, without a clear explanation as to why.

I stated I am a conservative which tells you EXACTLY what my core beliefs and convictions are.

All I am asking is for you to explain WHY you are a liberal?

I just don't understand why you have such a problem explaining your beliefs after being so open regarding your feelings about Bush, etc.

tony hipchest
04-28-2009, 01:10 PM
liberal = open minded
conservative = close minded

adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.


–adjective 1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6. having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
7. Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar.

Texasteel
04-28-2009, 01:17 PM
To place what is happening to the country right now on 8 years of Bush is irresponsible. What has happened is due to a group effort. A part belongs to the White House which is Bush, and part belongs to the Congress, and the Senate, which includes Obama, and a part belongs to the natural ebb and flow of the economy. Bush did plenty wrong and should be called out for it, that is you right, but that does not mean that no one call question any of Obama decisions for the next 8 years. I don't care if its been 8 years or 8 days, if any american notes him don't something that they think is wrong, they have as much a right to call him on it as you had, and have to call Bush on his mistake. One thing is for sure, and mistakes Bush make from this point on will not hurt this country, the same can not be said for Obama.

xfl2001fan
04-28-2009, 01:19 PM
liberal = open minded
conservative = close minded

BWAHAHAHAHA

I'm extremely open-minded. Can I be stubborn? Absolutely, but so can my liberal brother.

If being open minded means giving away other peoples hard earned money to those who won't work for it, then yes, I'm close minded. (Re-distribution of wealth.)

If being open minded means taking guns from the people who aren't misusing them, then yes, I'm close minded. (There's this thing called the 2nd ammendment)

If being open minded means I have to accept bull-shit criticism from nations who are jealous of our lifestyle, then yes, I'm close minded. (Where was the return bow from that guy that Obaaaama bowed to? Respect works both ways in my book.)

If being open minded means I have to listen to the endless rhetoric about how terrible Bush did with his policies...and then praise Obama and his endless genius for riding the coattails of Bush's polices, then yes, I'm close minded.

Liberal = Deflect, not argue or pu$sy foot around the issues.
Conservative = stand by my convictions

Yes. I'm a conservative.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 02:05 PM
liberal = open minded
conservative = close minded

That's funny.

The apparent blind hatred of all things Bush/republican/conservative and blind love for all things Obama/Democrat by libs on this board not only shows little open mindedness, but actually has the appearance of extreme prejudice.

open minded - lol.

Edman
04-28-2009, 02:48 PM
Look, just because I'm going take the time to wait and see and not ready to put Obama on the stove after a few months on the job doesn't mean I love everything he does. Just a few days ago I spotted a sign in a store window on Fifth avenue about Obama increasing taxes on tobacco products. I'm not a big fan of that move, even though I'm not a smoker.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Look, just because I'm going take the time to wait and see and not ready to put Obama on the stove after a few months on the job doesn't mean I love everything he does. Just a few days ago I spotted a sign in a store window on Fifth avenue about Obama increasing taxes on tobacco products. I'm not a big fan of that move, even though I'm not a smoker.

Thank you. :drink:

I will admit there are things I didn't like about Bush either.

I know the Obama bashing gets frustrating. I got quite frustrated when the shoe was on the other foot and Bush was being piled on as well.

HAWK
04-28-2009, 05:58 PM
BWAHAHAHAHA

I'm extremely open-minded. Can I be stubborn? Absolutely, but so can my liberal brother.

If being open minded means giving away other peoples hard earned money to those who won't work for it, then yes, I'm close minded. (Re-distribution of wealth.)

So where was your objection when your hard earned money was/is being spent in Iraq? $4 trillion wasted in Iraq but we're getting pissed about fixing some roads?! Really?! Your hard earned taxes were being wasted long before Obama showed up.

xfl2001fan
04-28-2009, 06:36 PM
So where was your objection when your hard earned money was/is being spent in Iraq? $4 trillion wasted in Iraq but we're getting pissed about fixing some roads?! Really?! Your hard earned taxes were being wasted long before Obama showed up.

Well, I'm a Soldier. I don't consider what we're doing to be a complete waste. Now, handing Billions of dollars to CEOs and "Chief Financial Experts" who (annually) make more than I make in my lifetime, because they screwed up...and then let them give that money out in "bonuses"...that's simply atrocious.

I don't agree with everything Bush. Don't get me wrong. But then again, I disagree more with Congress than I do Bush/Obama. However, Obama is doing nothing to prevent congress from pissing away even more of my money. You're talking about what Bush has done over 8 years. What about what Obama has allowed over 100 days? The numbers are staggering.

Mines water---->:drink:<----Yours is Kool-Aid

Keep sipping buddy.

fansince'76
04-28-2009, 07:34 PM
And he's been nailed to the wall by the very same Democrat in office now for a plethora of "failed policies"...which oddly enough, are being taken up by the Eloquent Reader.

Any relation to "Easy Reader?"

s_PuAqRQLKA

:laughing:

HAWK
04-28-2009, 09:53 PM
Well, I'm a Soldier. I don't consider what we're doing to be a complete waste. Now, handing Billions of dollars to CEOs and "Chief Financial Experts" who (annually) make more than I make in my lifetime, because they screwed up...and then let them give that money out in "bonuses"...that's simply atrocious.

I don't agree with everything Bush. Don't get me wrong. But then again, I disagree more with Congress than I do Bush/Obama. However, Obama is doing nothing to prevent congress from pissing away even more of my money. You're talking about what Bush has done over 8 years. What about what Obama has allowed over 100 days? The numbers are staggering.

Mines water---->:drink:<----Yours is Kool-Aid

Keep sipping buddy.

If you say so... I'm a lifelong Centrist. You people who buy into this illusion of choice astound me. Republican, Democrat...they're all the same. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Two flavors of the same thing.

However, I voted for Obama because I didn't trust McCain with the middle class. Politicians had long ago abandoned any kind of oversight of the banks, etc. So here we are. There's plenty of blame to go around. But stop pretending that your boy would have been any different.

Stop fooling yourself. The real difference between bush and Obama isn't WILL they spend money (because they will)...it's what they spend it on. Bush was happy to see it go to big oil, Haliburton, and killing Iraqis. At least Obama is trying to spend it here in this country.

As far as the "redistribution of wealth" theory. Just stop already. Republicans have brilliantly convinced the general public that to tax the rich as opposed to the middle class and the poor is socialism. Wrong. You'd rather the gov take more taxes from you to fix pot holes or schools rather than take from the rich. Because if they take it all from the rich then that's a redistribution of wealth?

Reeeally?!

RunWillieRun
04-28-2009, 10:50 PM
If you say so... I'm a lifelong Centrist. You people who buy into this illusion of choice astound me. Republican, Democrat...they're all the same. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Two flavors of the same thing.

However, I voted for Obama because I didn't trust McCain with the middle class. Politicians had long ago abandoned any kind of oversight of the banks, etc. So here we are. There's plenty of blame to go around. But stop pretending that your boy would have been any different.

Stop fooling yourself. The real difference between bush and Obama isn't WILL they spend money (because they will)...it's what they spend it on. Bush was happy to see it go to big oil, Haliburton, and killing Iraqis. At least Obama is trying to spend it here in this country.

As far as the "redistribution of wealth" theory. Just stop already. Republicans have brilliantly convinced the general public that to tax the rich as opposed to the middle class and the poor is socialism. Wrong. You'd rather the gov take more taxes from you to fix pot holes or schools rather than take from the rich. Because if they take it all from the rich then that's a redistribution of wealth?

Reeeally?!

What a gem this post is.

Killing Iraqis? Way to disrespect our military and the great people who liberated that nation. You are ignorant.

Sorry, but taking more money from the rich and directly cutting a check to the 40% of people who pay no income tax (as is the case under Obama's plan) IS redistribution of wealth and does nothing to further encourage success in the rich or poor.

No one is arguing that the government needs money to 'fix pot holes or schools." People are upset that more of their money is going to grow government and expand social programs and the entitlement nation.

Your post proves you have no idea why people are upset with this administration and that you are just regurgitating liberal talking points.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-28-2009, 10:51 PM
No.... Obama does not hate white people

cubanstogie
04-28-2009, 11:20 PM
If you say so... I'm a lifelong Centrist. You people who buy into this illusion of choice astound me. Republican, Democrat...they're all the same. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Two flavors of the same thing.

However, I voted for Obama because I didn't trust McCain with the middle class. Politicians had long ago abandoned any kind of oversight of the banks, etc. So here we are. There's plenty of blame to go around. But stop pretending that your boy would have been any different.

Stop fooling yourself. The real difference between bush and Obama isn't WILL they spend money (because they will)...it's what they spend it on. Bush was happy to see it go to big oil, Haliburton, and killing Iraqis. At least Obama is trying to spend it here in this country.

As far as the "redistribution of wealth" theory. Just stop already. Republicans have brilliantly convinced the general public that to tax the rich as opposed to the middle class and the poor is socialism. Wrong. You'd rather the gov take more taxes from you to fix pot holes or schools rather than take from the rich. Because if they take it all from the rich then that's a redistribution of wealth?

Reeeally?!

That folks was a post from someone who drank too much kool aid. Face it, you bought into the hype and now anyone with half a brain can see there is no substance to his campaign promises. The guy still thinks he is on the campaign trail, thats the major problem. He is more concerned about getting re-elected than the middle class. Our boy as you call him would have been a lot different on foreign policy. I am sure he wouldn't bow to a Saudi, or kiss Hugo Chavez's arse.

xfl2001fan
04-28-2009, 11:36 PM
If you say so... I'm a lifelong Centrist. You people who buy into this illusion of choice astound me. Republican, Democrat...they're all the same. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Two flavors of the same thing.
Yes, but some people don't like Coke products and other's don't like Pepsi products. I'm a centrally leaning conservative. There are some things I'm adamant about (pro-life) but even then, there are exceptions to the rules. However, saying that life is an illusion makes it sound like you have no vision. You just sip on the latest brand of kool-aid being handed to you.


However, I voted for Obama because I didn't trust McCain with the middle class. Politicians had long ago abandoned any kind of oversight of the banks, etc. So here we are. There's plenty of blame to go around. But stop pretending that your boy would have been any different.
I didn't vote Obama because I don't trust him with the middle class, upper class or lower class. As for my boy, things would have been different. For one, McCain wasn't bowing to another leader. Either they meet on equal terms, or they don't meet. Maybe that's too hard core for you, but I prefer a guy who will make a choice and stand by it. Shows he's got some balls. And if you're going to run the greatest nation on the planet, then you need to have some balls. Hell, Hillary has more balls than Obama does. And that's including when she gives Bill his back.

Stop fooling yourself. The real difference between bush and Obama isn't WILL they spend money (because they will)...it's what they spend it on. Bush was happy to see it go to big oil, Haliburton, and killing Iraqis. Killing Iraqis? Is that what I did while deployed? Were you there with each of our Soldiers? I suppose that building the houses, churches and homes as well as performing life preserving surgeries and the like is to be completely ignored? Don't disrespect my brothers and sisters in arms with your classless and clueless over generalization. You apparently haven't served, and if you have, then you are a complete disgrace.

At least Obama is trying to spend it here in this country.
Yeah, taking hard earned tax payers dollars and giving it to the rich as$holes who couldn't get it right the first time...with no strings attached...is the right way to go.

As far as the "redistribution of wealth" theory. Just stop already. Republicans have brilliantly convinced the general public that to tax the rich as opposed to the middle class and the poor is socialism. Wrong. You'd rather the gov take more taxes from you to fix pot holes or schools rather than take from the rich. Because if they take it all from the rich then that's a redistribution of wealth?

So, in which country has the "trickle up" theory ever worked in the history of mankind? Germany? Nope. China? Nope. Russia? Nope. Sorry bud. Until such time that you can show me that it works, you have no basis with which to stand on. Personally, I'm all for 1 flat tax rate across the board. Close all the loopholes. The more you make, the more you get taxed with no way out. But, you want to classify me as if I'm some Big Rich Oil Distributing Greedy Capitalistic Pig...so you wouldn't bother asking me. You just assume and continue to make a bigger ass out of yourself than anyone else.

Reeeally?!
Yes, really. Your lips are moving, but all I am hearing from this point forward is HEEHAW.

I'm done with you now. Go home.

tony hipchest
04-28-2009, 11:59 PM
I'm a centrally leaning conservative. There are some things I'm adamant about (pro-life) but even then, there are exceptions to the rules. .

waffle much? a bit hypocritical perhaps? double standards coming into play? do you flip-flop when it comes to the unwritten rules and parameters of "exceptions"?

just asking. :noidea:

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 12:11 AM
Killing Iraqis? Way to disrespect our military and the great people who liberated that nation. You are ignorant.

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yeah, cause we all know we didnt kill any iraquis while we were over there (let alone see an astonishlingly low # of 4000 0f our own troops die- i think we sent over 30,000 bodybags for the 1st conflict).

yes, we did kill a ton of people to "liberate" (and i use that term loosely) iraq.

who the hell died to liberate the united states from england?

THATS RIGHT.... americans liberated themselves. :tt03: :usa: :tt03:

so when do you figure we will "liberate" the chinese, russians, and n. koreans? or are only the iraquis worthy of "liberation"?

RunWillieRun
04-29-2009, 07:26 AM
yeah, cause we all know we didnt kill any iraquis while we were over there (let alone see an astonishlingly low # of 4000 0f our own troops die- i think we sent over 30,000 bodybags for the 1st conflict).

yes, we did kill a ton of people to "liberate" (and i use that term loosely) iraq.

who the hell died to liberate the united states from england?

THATS RIGHT.... americans liberated themselves. :tt03: :usa: :tt03:

so when do you figure we will "liberate" the chinese, russians, and n. koreans? or are only the iraquis worthy of "liberation"?

Well I guess you are all for the Sadam dictatorship, torture chambers, and gassing your own people. At least we know where you stand though.

What a cop out. When the original poster says that the money spent in Iraq was for the purpose of "killing Iraqis," it is completely misleading and a disrespect to our service members.

Oh, by the way. The French played a pretty big role in 'liberating' the US from England.

When will we liberate other tyrannical dictatorships? Wait, wait, wait. Now that Barry O is in office the world loves us again all of these countries no longer pose a threat! :sofunny:

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 09:29 AM
waffle much? a bit hypocritical perhaps? double standards coming into play? do you flip-flop when it comes to the unwritten rules and parameters of "exceptions"?

just asking. :noidea:

No, waffling/flip-floppin is saying,

The Wiretapping is 100% reprehensible...and than taking on the program.

Should I name a few more?

The rare exceptions when I wouldn't fight so hard is if it was incestual rape. Even standard rape...not so much. The route for adoption is open.

It would have to be on a case by case basis and supremely detrimental to the health of baby and mother.

Even then, it would have to be done early. There's a beating heart pretty fast...and to stop a beating heart is to kill. Since the baby is innocent, I believe that the wrong person is being punished. None of this partial birth bull$hit.

HometownGal
04-29-2009, 10:42 AM
No.... Obama does not hate white people

The jury is still out on that one, but his wife and his former spiritual mentor sure do.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 11:34 AM
No.... Obama does not hate white people

Nice. Don't bother reading the post or the intent of the OP. Just ignore the entirety of the topic and act like you know what you're talking about.

GBMelBlount
04-29-2009, 11:49 AM
THATS RIGHT.... americans liberated themselves. :tt03: :usa: :tt03:



If you're such a fan of people taking the personal responsibility and initiative to liberate themselves and improving their own situation, as opposed to others helping them do it, then why are you such a big fan of the lower and middle class being helped (forcefully by government) as opposed to "liberating themselves" and taking personal responsibility for bettering their lives......

Just curious.

revefsreleets
04-29-2009, 12:24 PM
Interesting that you bring that up, GB...why is it that almost no one is talking about Obama's sweeping welfare rollback? He single-handedly undid all the good that Clinton accomplished when he changed Welfare back to temporary relief.

Thanks Obama, Welfare is now once again the entrenched generational system of entitlement for poor people to do nothing and become nothing. Yay Obama!

HAWK
04-29-2009, 01:06 PM
What a gem this post is.

Killing Iraqis? Way to disrespect our military and the great people who liberated that nation. You are ignorant.

Sorry, but taking more money from the rich and directly cutting a check to the 40% of people who pay no income tax (as is the case under Obama's plan) IS redistribution of wealth and does nothing to further encourage success in the rich or poor.

No one is arguing that the government needs money to 'fix pot holes or schools." People are upset that more of their money is going to grow government and expand social programs and the entitlement nation.

Your post proves you have no idea why people are upset with this administration and that you are just regurgitating liberal talking points.

First off, I apologize for being so glib when referring to our troops. I was referring to our governments gross misuse of our military's men and women. To send our troops into battle and possibly death for something IMO is not in our country's best interests is unforgivable. Damn the massive debt it has caused. What about the many deaths and the countless injuries our men and women have suffered. and for what?

As far as where this money is going....you should read up on what exactly "our" money is being spent on. Very little of it is going to the welfare programs you refer to. Much of it comes in the forms of tax cuts or the spending is being focused on gov programs that are suffering due to the state of the economy/unemployment/etc.

http://projects.nytimes.com/44th_president/stimulus

As far as me being upset. You're right, I am upset. I'm upset that people are so quick to blame Obama 100 days in when the burden of the last 8 years (actually a lot longer than 8 years) is not something that's going to be fixed quickly. There are things with Obama I do not like and things I'm happy to see him pushing. But for our children's sake I hope that Obama turns out to be the greatest president we've ever had. I simply don't understand those of you who want his policies to fail. If his policies fail, then this country sinks a little lower.

HAWK
04-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Yes, but some people don't like Coke products and other's don't like Pepsi products. I'm a centrally leaning conservative. There are some things I'm adamant about (pro-life) but even then, there are exceptions to the rules. However, saying that life is an illusion makes it sound like you have no vision. You just sip on the latest brand of kool-aid being handed to you.


I never said that life was an illusion. I said we all fall into the trap that the choice between Republican and Democrat is an illusion. Because when the cameras are off they're both one big happy family.

I didn't vote Obama because I don't trust him with the middle class, upper class or lower class. As for my boy, things would have been different. For one, McCain wasn't bowing to another leader. Either they meet on equal terms, or they don't meet. Maybe that's too hard core for you, but I prefer a guy who will make a choice and stand by it. Shows he's got some balls. And if you're going to run the greatest nation on the planet, then you need to have some balls. Hell, Hillary has more balls than Obama does. And that's including when she gives Bill his back.

There's nothing really worth replying to here.

Killing Iraqis? Is that what I did while deployed? Were you there with each of our Soldiers? I suppose that building the houses, churches and homes as well as performing life preserving surgeries and the like is to be completely ignored? Don't disrespect my brothers and sisters in arms with your classless and clueless over generalization. You apparently haven't served, and if you have, then you are a complete disgrace.

See my post above this one.

Yeah, taking hard earned tax payers dollars and giving it to the rich as$holes who couldn't get it right the first time...with no strings attached...is the right way to go.

Don't you mean what Bush had already done and what McCain was pushing for during his campaign. But I get it...it's ALL Obama's fault. This philosophy might be wrong...but stop pretending it's a new one.


So, in which country has the "trickle up" theory ever worked in the history of mankind? Germany? Nope. China? Nope. Russia? Nope. Sorry bud. Until such time that you can show me that it works, you have no basis with which to stand on. Personally, I'm all for 1 flat tax rate across the board. Close all the loopholes. The more you make, the more you get taxed with no way out. But, you want to classify me as if I'm some Big Rich Oil Distributing Greedy Capitalistic Pig...so you wouldn't bother asking me. You just assume and continue to make a bigger ass out of yourself than anyone else.

If you haven't noticed, the "trickle down" theory isn't exactly working to well these days either. I'm actually a flat-tax supporter as well. But that would cause the rich to pay more in taxes than they did under Bush. And there's a lot of politicians on both side of the aisle that have an obligation to their "friends" to never let that happen.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 01:20 PM
There's a difference between wanting someones policies to fail and watching them put failed policies into place.

There's a difference between wanting someone to fail...and watching their hypocrisy as they take on "failed policies" from the previous "failed administration." Especially with the media just sitting by and saying next to nothing.

Do I want Obama to fail? Absolutely not. Do I believe he's going to...at the rate that he's going, absolutely.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 01:31 PM
I never said that life was an illusion. I said we all fall into the trap that the choice between Republican and Democrat is an illusion. Because when the cameras are off they're both one big happy family.
Are pretty much all politicians scum. Sure, the difference is, I believe that I can count on the Republicans to keep with my fundamental beliefs far more than I can count on the Dems. Little things like the push for gun control. It's never done any country any good. EVER. Republicans stand in the way of that kind of law being passed. Yeah, they're trash, but a better form of trash than their Dem counterparts.


There's nothing really worth replying to here.

See my post above this one.Of course you won't reply to those. I'm right. You're just some piece of trash who has been given kool-aid all his life and doesn't really want to think for himself. Why do that when you can have someone think for you and tell you what to do, what to say and where to go.

Don't you mean what Bush had already done and what McCain was pushing for during his campaign. But I get it...it's ALL Obama's fault. This philosophy might be wrong...but stop pretending it's a new one. It's not all Obama's fault. I think Obama doesn't have near enough experience to lead this nation in the manner that it needs in order to fix the under lying problems we have. He's too busy trying to appease other nations and reading from teleprompters. The longer he campaigned/has been in office, the more I get the feeling that he's a puppet president with someone else pulling strings Get him away from the teleprompter and he's every bit the fumbling bumbling guy that Libs have made Bush out to be.

If you haven't noticed, the "trickle down" theory isn't exactly working to well these days either. I'm actually a flat-tax supporter as well. But that would cause the rich to pay more in taxes than they did under Bush. And there's a lot of politicians on both side of the aisle that have an obligation to their "friends" to never let that happen.Yeah, so instead of tweaking the underlying issues of the trickle down effect, let's scrap it for a system that has EPIC FAIL written all over it throughout history.

HAWK
04-29-2009, 01:50 PM
Are pretty much all politicians scum. Sure, the difference is, I believe that I can count on the Republicans to keep with my fundamental beliefs far more than I can count on the Dems. Little things like the push for gun control. It's never done any country any good. EVER. Republicans stand in the way of that kind of law being passed. Yeah, they're trash, but a better form of trash than their Dem counterparts.


Of course you won't reply to those. I'm right. You're just some piece of trash who has been given kool-aid all his life and doesn't really want to think for himself. Why do that when you can have someone think for you and tell you what to do, what to say and where to go.

It's not all Obama's fault. I think Obama doesn't have near enough experience to lead this nation in the manner that it needs in order to fix the under lying problems we have. He's too busy trying to appease other nations and reading from teleprompters. The longer he campaigned/has been in office, the more I get the feeling that he's a puppet president with someone else pulling strings Get him away from the teleprompter and he's every bit the fumbling bumbling guy that Libs have made Bush out to be.

Yeah, so instead of tweaking the underlying issues of the trickle down effect, let's scrap it for a system that has EPIC FAIL written all over it throughout history.

Are all politicians scum? No. But there's enough of them. So because I agree with some and disagree with others then I'm a "kool-aid" drinker? That's a two way street. Basically you've told me that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a piece of trash that should be disposed of. That's real American of you.


As far as Obama's policy. Only time will tell at this point. My point is, and has been all along, that there's a smaller difference between R's & D's these days than we'd like to admit. So everybody stop drinking the Kool-Aid ( see what I did there??) and pretending it's all the other guy's fault.

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 01:52 PM
Are all politicians scum? No. But there's enough of them. So because I agree with some and disagree with others then I'm a "kool-aid" drinker? That's a two way street. Basically you've told me that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a piece of trash that should be disposed of. That's real American of you.


pretty much par for the course, around here.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 01:55 PM
Are all politicians scum? No. But there's enough of them. So because I agree with some and disagree with others then I'm a "kool-aid" drinker? That's a two way street. Basically you've told me that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a piece of trash that should be disposed of. That's real American of you.

As far as Obama's policy. Only time will tell at this point. My point is, and has been all along, that there's a smaller difference between R's & D's these days than we'd like to admit. So everybody stop drinking the Kool-Aid ( see what I did there??) and pretending it's all the other guy's fault.

No, people who disagree with me based on an intelligent foundation are OK by me. You're trash based on your comments. Big difference. You know, the whole killing Iraqis comment. Because, by your assessment, that's what I am. An Iraqi killer. That's real American of you.

The difference is still big enough. Some of the idiotic things he proposes go against the very foundation of my beliefs. The very core.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 01:56 PM
pretty much par for the course, around here.

Tony, we rarely ever see eye to eye. And yet, I still have mad respect for you.

HAWK
04-29-2009, 01:57 PM
pretty much par for the course, around here.

I see.

HAWK
04-29-2009, 01:59 PM
You're trash based on your comments. Big difference. You know, the whole killing Iraqis comment. Because, by your assessment, that's what I am. An Iraqi killer. That's real American of you.


Well I tried to explain my point. Obviously, you have no interest in listening to what I was saying. :banging:

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 02:05 PM
First off, I apologize for being so glib when referring to our troops. I was referring to our governments gross misuse of our military's men and women. i got that when i firt read it just by the tone of the post. the problem around here is anyone who is a conservative here will take every one of your sentences literally (and even go the extent of twisting them, putting words in your mouth, or go as far as completely making shit up) and then hold your feet in the fire for it.

No, people who disagree with me based on an intelligent foundation are OK by me. You're trash based on your comments. Big difference. You know, the whole killing Iraqis comment. Because, by your assessment, that's what I am. An Iraqi killer. That's real American of you.

:shake01: *see top of post*

HAWK
04-29-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm beginning to see that.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 02:14 PM
First off, I apologize for being so glib when referring to our troops. I was referring to our governments gross misuse of our military's men and women.

That's just it. This comment is not explanation. It's back-pedaling. What's the murder rate been in America since we went to war in 2003? Forget America, what's it been in Los Angeles?

Misuse? So, building hospitals, homes, businesses, churches has to be overlooked? You're ignoring all of the good we're doing and for what? To call our troops Iraqi killers. Because, no matter how you slice it, it's not the politicians pulling the trigger.

While I don't necessarily agree with the war that Bush took into Iraq, I can tell you, having been there, we've done a lot of good. Ousting a dictator and helping the Iraqis stand up on their own two feet will have done far more to improve things between the US and the Middle East (in the long run) because we are setting a foundation of peace and partnership with the people there. Maybe not with the misguided Islam Extremists...but then again, many of the Iraqis don't want them there either. They've just spent a lifetime of being "trained" to fear them more than they desire freedom. That culture of fear is disappearing.

It sucks that I've lost so many brothers and sisters in arms over this. I don't like it any more than the next guy.

GBMelBlount
04-29-2009, 02:33 PM
tony hipchest

the problem around here is anyone who is a conservative here will take every one of your sentences literally

When have I ever quoted a small part of one sentence from one of your posts and made a big deal about it!!!!!!!!!!

GBMelBlount
04-29-2009, 02:35 PM
I was just kidding. :chuckle:

I know I do that. Irritating, isn't it?

HAWK
04-29-2009, 02:50 PM
That's just it. This comment is not explanation. It's back-pedaling. What's the murder rate been in America since we went to war in 2003? Forget America, what's it been in Los Angeles?

Misuse? So, building hospitals, homes, businesses, churches has to be overlooked? You're ignoring all of the good we're doing and for what? To call our troops Iraqi killers. Because, no matter how you slice it, it's not the politicians pulling the trigger.

While I don't necessarily agree with the war that Bush took into Iraq, I can tell you, having been there, we've done a lot of good. Ousting a dictator and helping the Iraqis stand up on their own two feet will have done far more to improve things between the US and the Middle East (in the long run) because we are setting a foundation of peace and partnership with the people there. Maybe not with the misguided Islam Extremists...but then again, many of the Iraqis don't want them there either. They've just spent a lifetime of being "trained" to fear them more than they desire freedom. That culture of fear is disappearing.

It sucks that I've lost so many brothers and sisters in arms over this. I don't like it any more than the next guy.

I'm not sure what you're getting at about America's murder rates...but I otherwise agree with most of your posting. Our military has personally done many good things. Unfortunately, the gov has left them out in the cold. Cheney's misuse and favoritism of Haliburton alone is incredible. Not to mention the misplaced reasoning for going to Iraq in the first place. The list gets longer everyday. But in the end our military is trained to not ask why. Just to do it. Which is why i don't blame the soldier.

There's next to no mentioning of the war's financial impact our the current state of our economy. $4trillion had to come from some where. But we're going to cry about a stimulus plan AFTER blowing $4 trillion in Iraq? That's the double standard I can't wrap my mind around. That's all. How about we spend some of that money building schools, churches, and businesses in this country. Oh wait...that's Socialism if we do it here.

xfl2001fan
04-29-2009, 03:31 PM
What I'm getting at is you are concerned for the lives of military overseas doing things to protect this country...but can't see who it compares to the lives lost every day/year in this country. If I die in Iraq, it's noble/honorable. If I get murdered in my sleep here at home... ???

Again, you say we've blown $4 trillion. That leaves us with the assumption that NOTHING good has come out of our presence in Iraq. But, what is that $4 Trillion covering? Soldier pay. Contracts. Construction. Medical Care. Show me where that $4 Trillion has gone to (obviously not down to the penny). What you are doing is throwing out some arbitrary number.

Could we use it here in the States? Absolutely. But you're blaming the Federal Government for not intervening on your States behalf. What is your state doing to intervene? Where is the money your state is spending going to if not building schools, churches and businesses in this country?

HAWK
04-29-2009, 06:54 PM
What I'm getting at is you are concerned for the lives of military overseas doing things to protect this country...but can't see who it compares to the lives lost every day/year in this country. If I die in Iraq, it's noble/honorable. If I get murdered in my sleep here at home... ???

Again, you say we've blown $4 trillion. That leaves us with the assumption that NOTHING good has come out of our presence in Iraq. But, what is that $4 Trillion covering? Soldier pay. Contracts. Construction. Medical Care. Show me where that $4 Trillion has gone to (obviously not down to the penny). What you are doing is throwing out some arbitrary number.

Could we use it here in the States? Absolutely. But you're blaming the Federal Government for not intervening on your States behalf. What is your state doing to intervene? Where is the money your state is spending going to if not building schools, churches and businesses in this country?

It's about the many programs that have been downsized or flat out eliminated. The hole in your argument from the soldier's point of view is--they would receive compensation if we would have stayed in Afghanistan (or better yet actually focus on real terrorists). Regardless, my main complaint is the needless waste of money when it came to contracting, civilian personnel, etc, etc. Contracts that were handed out that cost hundreds of times more than what was realistically fiscal. Not to mention, the failed promises of "it's only gonna cost $60 billion!!" You can take away the cost of the actual military and still have an enormous debt load that has severely added to this country's financial crisis. We were lied to and we seemed to have just swallowed it without any question whatsoever. If we do question where our hard earned money is going, then we're labeled unpatriotic and un-American. That's bullshit. The government has forsaken the military also. Google this and you'll find countless soldiers that gave their bodies and many even their lives only to be written off when they arrived home. The Defense Dept. doesn't want to take responsibility for the soldiers that laid their lives on the line for us. IMO, if you can't afford to take care of them when they get home they you can't afford to go to war. If you, as a soldier, are at ease with the way your fellow soldiers have been neglected then so be it. But I find it disgusting and unacceptable.

As far as my "arbitrary" number... Have a gander:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/washington/19cost.html

Google it and you'll find many, many more.

EDIT: Do a little research and you'll find that the money we've spent in Iraq ISN'T included in our National Debt. Just another way to keep out attention elsewhere. the whole situation is just Effed up. If you're happy with the way thikngs turned out then that's your right. But some of us wanted more.

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 11:33 PM
does obama also hate HORSES???? :jawdrop:

local news tonight showed that a severe storm system moved into rural texas and killed several horses in a flooded stream and caused dozens of others to be evacuated and relocated.

to this point there is no scheduled obama visit to the disaster site. infact, no govt aid or even a presidential letter sent to the dead horses families is planned. infact, obama didnt even mention it in his 100 day address.

:shout: WHERE IS THE MEDIA OUTRAGE???

surely atleast PETA has got to get fired up by this latest presidential blunder. :doh:

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 11:39 PM
Does Obama Hate Swine? Pigs? Hogs?

egypt has announced the immediate eradication of all hogs in the country (est. 400,000) in light of the global swine flu scare.

absolutely nothing from obama... :coffee:

he is not even gonna invade the country and liberate the swine.

yet nobody even mentions it. where is the justified scrutiny and outrage?!?!?!?

steelwall
04-29-2009, 11:50 PM
But we're going to cry about a stimulus plan AFTER blowing $4 trillion in Iraq? That's the double standard I can't wrap my mind around. That's all. How about we spend some of that money building schools, churches, and businesses in this country. Oh wait...that's Socialism if we do it here.

Thats one way of looking at it. Doesnt mean you're right. I seriously doubt you will change anyones mind around here though.

tony hipchest
04-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Does Obama Hate rattlesnakes? Advocate sending 4 year olds on suicide missions?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-04-26-rattlesnakes_N.htm

Okla. rattlesnake roundup pitches 'family-friendly' fun :chuckle:

MANGUM, Okla. — "I'm an animal lover. I can't do this," the Rattlesnake Derby Princess insisted as she winced and chopped off the serpent's head.
Despite misgivings, Courtney Lewis, 17, says the three-day rattlesnake roundup, which ended Sunday, "really represents the tradition and pride" of this Oklahoma city of fewer than 3,000 people. Hunters from across the prairie flocked to the 44th annual Mangum Rattlesnake Derby to reel in Western diamondback rattlesnakes.

Snakes headline the festival that brings an estimated 35,000 visitors each year to jolt the economy. The festival isn't the largest of its kind but still boasts 1,500 pounds of snakes from area fields.

Visitors can watch rattlers get beheaded, gutted and skinned at the derby's Butcher Shop, but organizers are adamant that it is educational and family-friendly. Every event is "something you can bring your 4-year-old to," co-director Kerry Kendall says. The Shortgrass Rattlesnake Association, which runs the event, has even turned down beer sponsorships.


"It's a wholesome, clean weekend," Kendall says. "We call (the Butcher Shop) the only strip show in Greer County."
rattlesnake roundups reeks of republican recreation.

i was sure obama woulda paid a visit to liberate or offer assistance to the snakes.

how dare the media not give notice to obama ignoring this slaughter of innocent snakes and child endangerment?

oh... thats right... obama supposedly advocates teaching 5 year olds sex ed.

Does Obama Hate Children Too? :willy:

:shout: - PANIC!!!!

MACH1
04-30-2009, 12:09 AM
Does Obama Hate Swine? Pigs? Hogs?

egypt has announced the immediate eradication of all hogs in the country (est. 400,000) in light of the global swine flu scare.

absolutely nothing from obama... :coffee:

he is not even gonna invade the country and liberate the swine.

yet nobody even mentions it. where is the justified scrutiny and outrage?!?!?!?

I'm sure he doesn't mind liberating the money from everybody's wallet, after all its patriotic to support lazy people. :coffee:

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 01:01 AM
I'm sure he doesn't mind liberating the money from everybody's wallet, after all its patriotic to support lazy people. :coffee:iraqi sheephuggers and afghan heroin dealers are lazy people too. no outrage for liberating them?

:dollar:

of course not, because a republican president was globally spreading his image of democracy, peace, love, and poppyc0cks, to hostile nations.

:toofunny:

MACH1
04-30-2009, 01:32 AM
iraqi sheephuggers and afghan heroin dealers are lazy people too. no outrage for liberating them?

:dollar:

of course not, because a republican president was globally spreading his image of democracy, peace, love, and poppyc0cks, to hostile nations.

:toofunny:

Then obama should go bow down and apologize for our 'mistakes'

:wink02:

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 09:05 AM
Originally Posted by HAWK View Post
But we're going to cry about a stimulus plan AFTER blowing $4 trillion in Iraq? That's the double standard I can't wrap my mind around. That's all. How about we spend some of that money building schools, churches, and businesses in this country. Oh wait...that's Socialism if we do it here.

That's weak.

We went into Iraq with broad support and agreement from our politicians on both sides of the aisle.

We have not been attacked on our soil in 8 years so it can be argued that the end justifies the means.

Sure, it's a helluva lot of money towards war but to argue THAT as justification of multi-trillion dollar government deficit spending for "economic reasons" is ridiculous.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 12:51 PM
I wasn't arguing that the Iraq spending is justification for more spending. I simply wish people would stop pretending and drop the double standard.

As far as us not being attacked...who knows? It's not like we had a series of 9/11 type attacks before 9/11 it self. I hope you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that this is the greatest country in the world but yet we really screwed the pooch when it came to the Iraq planning. If for nothing else but our soldier's lives we should have done better. They deserved better.

Dino 6 Rings
04-30-2009, 12:51 PM
Obama clearly hates Shelter Dogs. Thats been proven.

Dino 6 Rings
04-30-2009, 12:54 PM
Robert Reich

"I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. … I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals."

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 01:52 PM
HAWK
As far as us not being attacked...who knows? It's not like we had a series of 9/11 type attacks before 9/11 it self. I hope you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that this is the greatest country in the world but yet we really screwed the pooch when it came to the Iraq planning.

Sure, we screwed the pooch when it came to planning and executing World War II too. The horrific mistakes and corresponding loss of life in WWII was MUCH higher in fact. Not to diminish the loss of lives in Iraq but simply to put it in perspective, my friend. Again, a VERY weak argument.

Hawk
If for nothing else but our soldier's lives we should have done better. They deserved better.

You could argue that about WWII or any other war. VERY weak argument.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 01:55 PM
A weak argument is your opinion. As far as WWII...what? You're saying it was perfectly OK to NOT learn from those mistakes?

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 01:58 PM
A weak argument is your opinion. As far as WWII...what? You're saying it was perfectly OK to NOT learn from those mistakes?

You tell me a major war that was run perfectly with no mistakes. If you put the loss of American lives in perspective, it is VERY small and makes you appear like someone with an agenda.

I don't mean to diminish the loss of our troops in any way, simply put it in perspective here.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 02:10 PM
You tell me a major war that was run perfectly with no mistakes. If you put the loss of American lives in perspective, it is VERY small and makes you appear like someone with an agenda.

Now that is a weak argument.

Of course nothing is done without making mistakes. Especially war. That doesn't, however, change the fact that our sole premise for engaging Iraq was based on misinformation. The biggest mistake of all. So I have to have an agenda because I question our government's reasoning/methods? Conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat--they all lied. And it's we that have to pay the price. Both figuratively and literally.

It's not about NOT making mistakes. It's about getting your head out of your ass and actually learning from the ones you and others have made.

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 02:23 PM
Now that is a weak argument.

Of course nothing is done without making mistakes. Especially war. That doesn't, however, change the fact that our sole premise for engaging Iraq was based on misinformation. The biggest mistake of all. So I have to have an agenda because I question our government's reasoning/methods? Conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat--they all lied. And it's we that have to pay the price. Both figuratively and literally.

It's not about NOT making mistakes. It's about getting your head out of your ass and actually learning from the ones you and others have made.

So what is there to learn from this Hawk? Assume all intelligence is misinformation and sit around with your head up your ass and do nothing?

Again, your logic is dizzying.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 02:50 PM
So what is there to learn from this Hawk? Assume all intelligence is misinformation and sit around with your head up your ass and do nothing?

Again, your logic is dizzying.

How about we demand better from our elected officials? Maybe we should actually demand the results they promised while campaigning? I voted for Bush both times and am still waiting for several of his campaign promises. You're objecting because it's "your side" (i.e. Bush) that invaded Iraq. If it had been Clinton or even Obama you'd be lining up to agree with me.

I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.

You just attacked me as a BS partisan and changed the subject as opposed to discussing the validity of my points. And why does matter if your a centrist? Does it make your points more valid?

Labeling, name calling and deflection.

Nice.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 03:28 PM
I called you names? Not sure how you got there.

And I did address your points.

Show me where I didn't.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 03:29 PM
You said:

So what is there to learn from this Hawk? Assume all intelligence is misinformation and sit around with your head up your ass and do nothing?

Again, your logic is dizzying.


I replied:

How about we demand better from our elected officials? Maybe we should actually demand the results they promised while campaigning? I voted for Bush both times and am still waiting for several of his campaign promises. You're objecting because it's "your side" (i.e. Bush) that invaded Iraq. If it had been Clinton or even Obama you'd be lining up to agree with me.

I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.

I think I answered your question of whether we should just sit on our asses.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 03:38 PM
You just attacked me as a BS partisan and changed the subject as opposed to discussing the validity of my points. And why does matter if your a centrist? Does it make your points more valid?

Labeling, name calling and deflection.

Nice.you labeled him as one with an agenda. hes probably already sniffed you out as one of the biggest labelers and name callers on the board, and you are the one deflecting. "nice" = failed

I called you names? Not sure how you got there.

And I did address your points.

Show me where I didn't.he cant and he wont.

NO :link: = EXPOSED! (yet again) :coffee:

:chuckle:

HAWK
04-30-2009, 03:42 PM
He is wrapped in irony. Just a few posts ago he told me I had an agenda and then points his finger at me for allegedly implying he has one.

Hypocrite?

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 03:43 PM
OK, so let's say this is your response.

How about we demand better from our elected officials? Maybe we should actually demand the results they promised while campaigning? I voted for Bush both times and am still waiting for several of his campaign promises. You're objecting because it's "your side" (i.e. Bush) that invaded Iraq. If it had been Clinton or even Obama you'd be lining up to agree with me.


Fair enough. You're still waiting for Bush to follow through on some campaign promises.

Now, let me ask you, being that you are an open minded centrist....do you feel that Bush went against more campaign promises in 8 (2,500+ days)years than Obama has in 100 days? Possibly not.

So my point is, you are implying I am partisan in my points and yet everything you have brought up on this Obama thread bashes Bush.......do you see the absurdity of your continuous one-sided Bush bashing makes you appear?

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 03:52 PM
you labeled him as one with an agenda. hes probably already sniffed you out as one of the biggest labelers and name callers on the board, and you are the one deflecting. "nice" = failed

he cant and he wont.

NO :link: = EXPOSED! (yet again) :coffee:

:chuckle:

You know tony, I was feeling sorry for when you started whining about people taking your literally etc. I don't any more. You are a flame baiter and a deflector as many of the others on the board have stated. As Preacher has stated, it is sad to see what has become of you.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 03:52 PM
He is wrapped in irony. Just a few posts ago he told me I had an agenda and then points his finger at me for allegedly implying he has one.

Hypocrite?:yep: and its pretty much clear as day you didnt call him a bullshit partisan. you were clearly addressing the tone of the post you addressed.

so he deflects by twisting your words and tries to stick you with a label to diminish anything you might say. its a tired and old tactic. :yawn:

NO :link: = EXPOSED!

oh, and MILF!!! :sofunny:

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 03:55 PM
You are a flame baiter and a deflector as many of the others on the board have stated. As Preacher has stated, it is sad to see what has become of you.:crying: need a tissue?

"sticks and stones may break my bones...."

name calling... "nice" :thumbsup:

= EXPOSED!

HAWK
04-30-2009, 04:06 PM
OK, so let's say this is your response.



Fair enough. You're still waiting for Bush to follow through on some campaign promises.

Now, let me ask you, being that you are an open minded centrist....do you feel that Bush went against more campaign promises in 8 (2,500+ days)years than Obama has in 100 days? Possibly not.

So my point is, you are implying I am partisan in my points and yet everything you have brought up on this Obama thread bashes Bush.......do you see the absurdity of your continuous one-sided Bush bashing makes you appear?

I've not defended Obama. I have pointed out the irony of everyone's Chicken Little imitation of how the sky's falling and it's Obama's fault when this has been coming for a long time. The first 2-3 years of Bush's admin was fine. But then it went down hill. My point is, and always has been, it takes a little more than 100 days to cure the country's cancer. If eight years from now we are the same or worse then I will forsake him as I forsook Bush. Isn't that fair enough?

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 04:06 PM
:yep: and its pretty much clear as day you didnt call him a bullshit partisan. you were clearly addressing the tone of the post you addressed.

so he deflects by twisting your words and tries to stick you with a label to diminish anything you might say. its a tired and old tactic. :yawn:

NO :link: = EXPOSED!

oh, and MILF!!! :sofunny:

Originally Posted by HAWK View Post

I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.


Here you go Tony. I already highlighted this earlier. Please try to focus on the issues that are being discussed OK? As I said, HAWK is the one that got off topic and you are further doing that.

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 04:13 PM
I've not defended Obama. I have pointed out the irony of everyone's Chicken Little imitation of how the sky's falling and it's Obama's fault when this has been coming for a long time. The first 2-3 years of Bush's admin was fine. But then it went down hill. My point is, and always has been, it takes a little more than 100 days to cure the country's cancer. If eight years from now we are the same or worse then I will forsake him as I forsook Bush. Isn't that fair enough?

OK. Do you approve of the multi-trillion government "stimulus" spending? Do you feel this is going in the right direction towards "curing" our cancer?

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 04:24 PM
How about we demand better from our elected officials? Maybe we should actually demand the results they promised while campaigning?.see, you cant do that here. even though you have only mentioned bush 2-3 times in this entire thread, (once to say you have voted for him). you have now been erroneously labeled as a bush basher, despite the fact that you were simply questionning some policies and our government in general. its crazy how these guys completely make shit up.



do you see the absurdity of your continuous one-sided Bush bashing makes you appear?http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

"I see bush bashing "

HAWK
04-30-2009, 04:25 PM
Here you go Tony. I already highlighted this earlier. Please try to focus on the issues that are being discussed OK? As I said, HAWK is the one that got off topic and you are further doing that.

Alright man...you convinced me. To question or challenge our government is unAmerican and flat out wrong. I'll mind my place and STFU.

Unless, of course, they're name is followed by a D. Then we can bash them before they're even sworn in.

But I def understand now. I will mind my place from now on.

GO :tt02:

HAWK
04-30-2009, 04:29 PM
see, you cant do that here. even though you have only mentioned bush 2-3 times in this entire thread, (once to say you have voted for him). you have now been erroneously labeled as a bush basher, despite the fact that you were simply questionning some policies and our government in general. its crazy how these guys completely make shit up.

Well I learned my lesson. Conform or die. Got it.

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 04:37 PM
This is funny. All I did was debate, ask questions and try to stay on topic.

wow.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Well I learned my lesson. Conform or die. Got it.you will now be called a socialist. guaranteed.

gotta love the imperialistic hegemony around here. im constantly wiping it off my cybershoe.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 04:38 PM
This is funny. All I did was debate, ask questions and try to stay on topic.

wow.on topic? the topic is obama hates you because you are white.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 04:41 PM
This is funny. All I did was debate, ask questions and try to stay on topic.

wow.

Then explain to me why if I don't agree with the war and much of Bush's policies then I'm am trash or have agenda...or any of the other things mentioned.

Can you at least admit that things are screwed up to an extent? Maybe it's the extent that we disagree on.

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 04:43 PM
on topic? the topic is obama hates you because you are white.

The larger topic is politics. I have argued my points and asked questions. And this is how it ends up. Nice. Another thread ruined by tony.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 04:51 PM
The larger topic is politics. I have argued my points and asked questions. And this is how it ends up. Nice. Another thread ruined by tony.yep. it ends with you calling people names, accusing them of being or doing things they clearly arent, misreading posts, and finally deflecting. :toofunny:

but its all mine and obamas fault, right?

GBMelBlount
04-30-2009, 04:52 PM
Then explain to me why if I don't agree with the war and much of Bush's policies then I'm am trash or have agenda...or any of the other things mentioned.

Can you at least admit that things are screwed up to an extent? Maybe it's the extent that we disagree on.

I never said you were trash. I said for you to imply what I was saying was "partisan BS" was getting away from directly discussing the topics we were on.

Of course. I will admit things are screwed up. I'll admit bush made mistakes. I don't have a problem with you NOT agreeing with war but when you bring up your reasons, is it wrong for us to debate and argue those. I don't think it is. And because I'm arguing with you and pushing you DOESN'T mean I don't feel your points are invalid, I am simply presenting the other side to put things in perspective. That's all.

Is the cost of the war HUGE? yes. Did bush break promises, sure. Is it your right to be angry that bush broke his promises that may have been important to you? Of course. So when I am bringing up Obma's broken promises, it is to put things in perspective. And when you bring up giving him time, I did not jump on you about that. I simply asked you how you felt about the spending because it is importatn to me and I wanted to get your opinion and argue/discuss it with you. That's all.

Strongly arguing points with you DOESN'T mean I dislike you.

HAWK
04-30-2009, 05:05 PM
I never said you were trash. I said for you to imply what I was saying was "partisan BS" was getting away from directly discussing the topics we were on.

Of course. I will admit things are screwed up. I'll admit bush made mistakes. I don't have a problem with you NOT agreeing with war but when you bring up your reasons, is it wrong for us to debate and argue those. I don't think it is. And because I'm arguing with you and pushing you DOESN'T mean I don't feel your points are invalid, I am simply presenting the other side to put things in perspective. That's all.

Is the cost of the war HUGE? yes. Did bush break promises, sure. Is it your right to be angry that bush broke his promises that may have been important to you? Of course. So when I am bringing up Obma's broken promises, it is to put things in perspective. And when you bring up giving him time, I did not jump on you about that. I simply asked you how you felt about the spending because it is importatn to me and I wanted to get your opinion and argue/discuss it with you. That's all.

Strongly arguing points with you DOESN'T mean I dislike you.

And I agree. Actually, that was quite intelligent.

As far as Obama's spending...I'm honestly not sure yet. But at this point I do think it pales in comparison to the already disastrous deficit we currently face.

SteelersinCA
04-30-2009, 05:08 PM
And I agree. Actually, that was quite intelligent.

As far as Obama's spending...I'm honestly not sure yet. But at this point I do think it pales in comparison to the already disastrous deficit we currently face.

Just out of curiosity how does it pale in comparison when Obama is spending more in 100 days than EVERY President combined?

HAWK
04-30-2009, 05:37 PM
Just out of curiosity how does it pale in comparison when Obama is spending more in 100 days than EVERY President combined?

Prove that.

How can Obama have already spent more than all the presidents combined when Bush alone spent $4+ trillion in Iraq? Not to mention the money spent on this and that int he past 8 years. i.e. The bush Bailouts, etc. What about all the money Clinton spent? Or Carter? Hell, look at what LBJ and Roosevelt spent and then come talk to me. You should also consider inflation and the worth the US dollar. $100 today doesn't equal $100 50 years ago. If the stimulus is give or take $1 trillion over two years...how does that add up? Even if for some reason this so-called "stimulus" grows to $4 trillion it's still mathematically impossible that Obama will have spent more than EVERY prez combined!!

You're simply quoting the Rush Limbaughs of the world. Please prove your statement factually.

HometownGal
04-30-2009, 07:23 PM
Me thinks the childish behaviors in this thread had better cease pronto or this thread is going to be locked. C'mon gentlemen - please debate respectfully.

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Steel_12
04-30-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, I'm a Soldier. I don't consider what we're doing to be a complete waste. Now, handing Billions of dollars to CEOs and "Chief Financial Experts" who (annually) make more than I make in my lifetime, because they screwed up...and then let them give that money out in "bonuses"...that's simply atrocious.

I don't agree with everything Bush. Don't get me wrong. But then again, I disagree more with Congress than I do Bush/Obama. However, Obama is doing nothing to prevent congress from pissing away even more of my money. You're talking about what Bush has done over 8 years. What about what Obama has allowed over 100 days? The numbers are staggering.

Mines water---->:drink:<----Yours is Kool-Aid

Keep sipping buddy.

Actually, as a soldier, you're not supposed to openly criticize our Commander-In-Chief. Hey, don't get mad at me...you raised your right hand to support the decisions of those appointed over you...and I believe the CIC is appointed over you :wink02:

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Actually, as a soldier, you're not supposed to openly criticize our Commander-In-Chief. Hey, don't get mad at me...you raised your right hand to support the decisions of those appointed over you...and I believe the CIC is appointed over you :wink02:

You're right. But there is a difference between disagreeing with someone's point of view, how they run things, decisions they make and actually criticizing them.

Saying someone is inexperienced is not criticizing them. It's an opinion based on their experiences (or lack there of). I can make comments in jest...and if I'm told that they're offensive by the person in question, then I'll stop. It's why I'll never get brought up on EO/SH cases...I know where to draw the line.

Saying that I think the stimulus bill is a crock of shit isn't criticizing Obama as a person. I don't agree with his policies (which is allowed), his platform (which is allowed) or his ideology (also allowed.) Now, when his policies become in effect, I follow them. If he tells me to go to Afghan and work as a gate guard, I'll go and do just that. If he sends me to Iraq as a convoy driver, so be it. I drive a truck then. If he sends me to Texas to act as a guard on Tamiflu, I'll go and guard the Tamiflu (the OHNG is helping guard supplies in an undisclosed location right now.)

I didn't want to go overseas in 2003 and disagreed with the terms of us going over there. (I wish Bush would have just said, we're overthrowing Sadaam, would have felt more honest IMO). And still I went and did my duty. If I could go back to 2003, I'd change very little. I'd still have boarded the bus to NJ and the Plane taking me to Camp Wolf. I'd still have run my armory and assisted my Commo guys with running the Coms in the ASP. I'd still have worked (literally) for 60+ hours in a 3-day span to pack up our equipment and ensure it got sent to the right location so that we could go home.

Same will happen again (eventually.) I'll be asked to go to Iraq, Afghan, N Korea or W/E and I'll do it. I'll likely disagree with that decision, but I took an oath and I'll follow it.

By the by, I only have to follow lawful orders...and if Obama wants to right me up for insubordination (and he can justify it), he's more than welcome to. Wouldn't be the first time I got wrote up for it, (and knowing me,) it won't be the last.

tony hipchest
04-30-2009, 08:55 PM
Me thinks the childish behaviors in this thread had better cease pronto or this thread is going to be locked. C'mon gentlemen - please debate respectfully.

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:chuckle: "....but ma, he started it first!"



I didn't want to go overseas in 2003 and disagreed with the terms of us going over there. (I wish Bush would have just said, we're overthrowing Sadaam, would have felt more honest IMO). .

:jawdrop: :couch: OH NO YOU DIDNT!

you will now be labeled a bush basher! :busted:

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 09:51 PM
:chuckle: "....but ma, HEEHAW, he started it first!" HEEHAW
Sorry, what was that? :chuckle: (yeah, couldn't resist)


:jawdrop: :couch: OH NO YOU DIDNT!

you will now be labeled a bush basher! :busted:

So be it. I can take it.

There are candidates who are worth voting against (I classify Obama as one of those...same with Gore) ...and candidates not worth voting for (pretty much everyone else).

SteelersinCA
04-30-2009, 10:57 PM
Prove that.

How can Obama have already spent more than all the presidents combined when Bush alone spent $4+ trillion in Iraq? Not to mention the money spent on this and that int he past 8 years. i.e. The bush Bailouts, etc. What about all the money Clinton spent? Or Carter? Hell, look at what LBJ and Roosevelt spent and then come talk to me. You should also consider inflation and the worth the US dollar. $100 today doesn't equal $100 50 years ago. If the stimulus is give or take $1 trillion over two years...how does that add up? Even if for some reason this so-called "stimulus" grows to $4 trillion it's still mathematically impossible that Obama will have spent more than EVERY prez combined!!

You're simply quoting the Rush Limbaughs of the world. Please prove your statement factually.

I apologize he has increased the DEBT more than all Presidents combined. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html

xfl2001fan
04-30-2009, 11:09 PM
I apologize he has increased the DEBT more than all Presidents combined. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html

Ouch, looks like someone got owned. I don't want to mention any names because I don't want to embarrass HAWK. :flap:

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 12:26 AM
I have one simple question for you Edman.

WHY are you a liberal? What do you believe about the liberal philosophy and the democrats platform that is good for this country?

i have several questions for you.

why do you think our founding fathers would be deeply saddened with the abolition of slavery? they founded this nation with the intention and understanding that owning slaves was a natural part of life.

why do you think that genocide on naitve americans is a good thing for this country?

why do you aliagn yourself with the party that ushered in the great depression and allowed poor african americans to be used as scientific gunnea pigs in syphyllus experiments?

why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?

WHY are you a conservative? what do you believe about those platforms that are good for this country?

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
05-01-2009, 12:35 AM
why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?


Because there are much more pressing issues than AIDS to deal with in our country. With only a few exceptions (blood transfusions, etc.), AIDS is 100% avoidable in America. Cancer, on the other hand, is not.

tony hipchest
05-01-2009, 12:58 AM
Because there are much more pressing issues than AIDS to deal with in our country. With only a few exceptions (blood transfusions, etc.), AIDS is 100% avoidable in America. Cancer, on the other hand, is not.:toofunny:

100% clueless.

anyways, i really dont give 2 shits about your thoughts on the issue. im much more interested in what our resident "3rd grade textbook" historian has to say.

thanks for playing though.

:coffee: next

*actually embarrassed for you to actually try to give an excuse for willingly let AIDS run loose in an attempt to kill of americans*

GBMelBlount
05-01-2009, 09:56 AM
i have several questions for you.

why do you think our founding fathers would be deeply saddened with the abolition of slavery? they founded this nation with the intention and understanding that owning slaves was a natural part of life.

why do you think that genocide on naitve americans is a good thing for this country?

why do you aliagn yourself with the party that ushered in the great depression and allowed poor african americans to be used as scientific gunnea pigs in syphyllus experiments?

why do you support letting aids run rampant as a way of exterminating homosexuals and drug users with no regard for the dangers posed to the rest of the nation (and world)?

WHY are you a conservative? what do you believe about those platforms that are good for this country?

Excellent points Tony. :drink:

I completely agree with the point you are making here, that greed, corruptness and exploitation of others is a trait of ALL humans, not only by citizens of a country, but by ALL those in government as well. :drink:

Since both individuals and governments are corrupt and exploit others, it simply comes down to whether an individual prefers freedom, liberty and competition or forced government solutions

I am a conservative because I believe people are generally good and I believe freedom, liberty, competition and free markets are a better solution than those imposed by government.

Now that I have answered your question, will you explain why you are a liberal?....... :drink:

HAWK
05-01-2009, 11:05 AM
Ouch, looks like someone got owned. I don't want to mention any names because I don't want to embarrass HAWK. :flap:

Embarrassed? Not quite.

It's a HUGE difference between increasing spending and out-spending every prez in the history of US. If I'm wrong to call him on such a blatant error then you guys are obviously not interested in anything resembling the truth.

SteelersinCA
05-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Embarrassed? Not quite.

It's a HUGE difference between increasing spending and out-spending every prez in the history of US. If I'm wrong to call him on such a blatant error then you guys are obviously not interested in anything resembling the truth.

How can you rationalize outspending to the point that he has increased the budget more than all Presidents combined. You realize that includes Bush who you were hammering earlier in this post for his impact on the debt? This means he has increased the debt more in his first 100 days than Bush in 8 years, and then every one else too.

HAWK
05-01-2009, 11:49 AM
How can you rationalize outspending to the point that he has increased the budget more than all Presidents combined. You realize that includes Bush who you were hammering earlier in this post for his impact on the debt? This means he has increased the debt more in his first 100 days than Bush in 8 years, and then every one else too.

That's just it. I'm not rationalizing anything. I've been trying to piont out to all of you that it's not just the Democrats or the Republicans screwing us...it's all of them. Quote of thing I've said from this thread or any other that says "SPEND SPEND SPEND!" Actually, I've even went as far as mocking the stimulus package at one point.

I simply want to know where your outrage was as a citizen when Bush inherited one of the biggest gov surplus and then squandered it. Which one could argue that Obama is going to make it worse. But just stop the one-sided "it's all Obama's fault" BS because it's flat out hypocritical. Politicians and they're policies have cost this country dearly. So just stop pretending that it started 100 days ago.

That's been my point all along.

SteelersinCA
05-01-2009, 12:00 PM
That's just it. I'm not rationalizing anything. I've been trying to piont out to all of you that it's not just the Democrats or the Republicans screwing us...it's all of them. Quote of thing I've said from this thread or any other that says "SPEND SPEND SPEND!" Actually, I've even went as far as mocking the stimulus package at one point.

I simply want to know where your outrage was as a citizen when Bush inherited one of the biggest gov surplus and then squandered it. Which one could argue that Obama is going to make it worse. But just stop the one-sided "it's all Obama's fault" BS because it's flat out hypocritical. Politicians and they're f****d policies have cost this country dearly. So just stop pretending that it started 100 days ago.

That's been my point all along.

Look, I'm not happy Bush squandered it either. I don't get that about Obama supporters, if you criticize him you are automatically a Bush supporter. :noidea: Anyway, I would imagine if you were unhappy about Bush squandering it, you would be even more unhappy about Obama squandering it further than Bush and everyone else combined? Sort of like if you are angry the Steelers lose 1 game, you would be even angrier if they lost 16 or 43.

HometownGal
05-01-2009, 12:08 PM
I simply want to know where your outrage was as a citizen when Bush inherited one of the biggest gov surplus and then squandered it. Which one could argue that Obama is going to make it worse.

The original point of this thread, which most everyone has missed, is actually quite simple. Why is Obaaaaama getting a free pass from the media and his sheep for tripling the national debt in less than 100 days and Bush was absolutely (and still is)crucified by the media and the Demos for ending his 2nd term with a deficit? :doh:

But just stop the one-sided "it's all Obama's fault" BS because it's flat out hypocritical.

You Obaaaaaamites are going to have to endure for the next 3 years and 9 months what we GOP'ers have endured for the past 8 years. When Obaaaaama screws up or makes a boneheaded decision that affects us just as much as those of you who put that birdbrain into office, you're going to hear about it.