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tony hipchest
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fbe661&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Draft preparation is now in the final stages. Pro days are over, medical re-checks are just about complete and invitations have been offered to the top candidates to appear at Radio City for the big day. Only late-breaking rumors can alter the paths that teams will take on draft day.

There are many trade scenarios set up between teams for the draft, and over the past few years, draft-day trades have picked up. I expect at least a dozen trades during the two-day event. The big trade sending Jason Peters from the Bills to the Eagles changes a number of things in this mock draft.

I expect a team like New England, with three second-round picks, to move around on draft day. Teams without a second-round pick, like Kansas City, Washington, New Orleans and San Diego, will work the phones in an attempt to get a pick in the very important second round.

As for teams without a first-round pick, like Chicago, Dallas and Carolina, it will be tough to get into the first round unless there is a top player to trade. Carolina has the best chance with Julius Peppers.

It's been an interesting spring talking to the draft candidates, and with less than a week to go, I've interviewed 50 of the top 60 players. By the time the draft rolls around, I will likely have had the chance to talk to just about every candidate selected on the first day. In the last two weeks, I've chatted with head coaches at Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri and USC about their prospects, and the first round should include 10 players from these schools.

Next week will be my final mock before the draft. For now, here is my two-round mock draft, version 6.0


and steelers pass on our greatest needs to take......

Percy Harvin WR Florida
The Steelers could take a guard/center like Alex Mack, or a left-tackle candidate like William Beatty, who may need a year to get ready, but the pick is Harvin after he falls to them. The Steelers have not been afraid to take a great athlete with issues before, and he could wait in the wings as the eventual replacement for Hines Ward.
Second round: No. 64, Eric Wood, C, Louisville

:doh: percy harvin??? id rather reach for mack, beatty, or even gilbert than take a wr with the 1st pick (i dont care how talented he is).

kirwan called sweed the #1 wr in last years draft. the drafting of harvin suggests to me that he thinks sweed will always be a #2 or #3 steelers receiver, or he doubts holmes and ward extending their contracts or staying with the steelers.

love the eric wood pick.

but what i hate MOST about this mock is seeing the damage the patriots could do in practically rebuilding their entire defense with their 1st 4 picks:




23. Patriots Clay Matthews OLB USC
The rise of Matthews, from walk-on to special-teams ace to starter, makes him one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. Bill Belichick would love Matthews' versatility and upside.
Second round: No. 34, James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State; No. 47, Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut; No. 58, Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State


that is just sick... :banging:

BehindSteelCurtain
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
I would love seeing Harvin.....But I doubt it.

ShutDown24
04-19-2009, 07:52 PM
That would be awesome. Harvin is one of the most explosive players I've ever seen in my life.

Too bad he'll never get to 32 and we'll probably end up reaching for a second round graded offensive linemen...

By the way, NO WAY are the Patriots able to get Butler at 47.

BehindSteelCurtain
04-19-2009, 09:00 PM
I can see it happening though. They suprise us every year. I can also see us trading up for a player that Tomlin likes.

ShutDown24
04-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I can see it happening though. They suprise us every year. I can also see us trading up for a player that Tomlin likes.

I'm thinking that's what is most likely to happen. Although this draft is deep with talent, I think we'd be just as well off trying to trade down. If we could get a package headlined by another second round pick, giving us two, for pick 32 that would be awesome. A second round combination of like Max Unger and Ron Brace would rock.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-19-2009, 10:55 PM
If he didnt get busted for drugs then maybe....but I would guess the steelers would pass

lilyoder6
04-19-2009, 11:17 PM
i think harvin would be a good player.. he is a fast and has return capabilities... but i don't see them drafting him

BehindSteelCurtain
04-19-2009, 11:57 PM
Harvin is a playmaker, period. He would add a third demension to this team.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-20-2009, 07:56 AM
Drafting Harvin instead of Alex Mack = drafting Troy Edwards instead of John Tait. :banging:

Michael Keller
04-20-2009, 09:25 AM
Somrthing crazy is happening herein. Lets keep this simple . The Steelers NEED the best OFFENSIVE, DEFENSIVE LINEMAN OR CORNERBACK AVAILBLE. We do not need a WR in the first round. Pick one up later via the draft , trade or even waiver for the number 4 wr. Sweed is going to do just fine.

rbryan
04-20-2009, 09:38 AM
I don't want to see a WR at #1 either but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Holmes goes for the big $ elsewhere when his deal is up. With Ward getting up there in age, thats a pretty scary thought.

revefsreleets
04-20-2009, 09:48 AM
Harvin could be Chad Jackson II. No WAY do we draft this guy (if he's even still on the board).

As has been stated, it's going to be OL or DB at 1, OL, DL or CB at 2.

tony hipchest
04-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Harvin could be Chad Jackson II.thats exactly what scares me. i would just as soon trade down a bit and take brian robiskie if the steelers want a wr that bad with their 1st pick.

im listening to adam schein and jim miller calling him as safe of a pick as any in this years draft. todd mcshay was knocking him for not being explosive, and they said thats pretty much a load of bull. he just does his job and does it well.

too much potential "bust" factor with a wr. it would have to be a slam dunk, home run, sure fire thing (which i think robiskie is) for me to be comfortable with it. for that reason im coming around full circle and leaning towards alex mack.

revefsreleets
04-20-2009, 10:42 AM
I think Robiskie is RD 2 material...but he's going to be very good. He suffered last year because Tress didn't want Pryor throwing the ball downfield. He runs as good a route as any WR in this draft, has super soft hands, good speed and is a coach's son and comes with all the accruements...

tony hipchest
04-20-2009, 10:58 AM
smart as hell too. i heard he was awarded an $18,000 post graduate scholorship based on his academics.

he was a great guest host on Total Access last week, and always has a good weekly interview on sirius.

he show commitment and great character (things that cant be taught). i'll be watching an pulling for him at the next level, like i do with larry fitz.

being the bears are one of my nfc teams, im hoping he lands there.

Steel Head
04-20-2009, 11:14 AM
I am secretly hoping we draft Percy Harvin

kind of

Steel Head
04-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Harvin could be Chad Jackson II. No WAY do we draft this guy (if he's even still on the board)..

that's a horrbile comparison

Reggie Bush would be a better comparison

tony hipchest
04-20-2009, 11:31 AM
I am secretly hoping we draft Percy Harvin

kind ofi was hesitant with santonio holmes. i wanted the sure 10 year starter n. mangold. it worked out for us and i'd rather not go to that well twice.

revefsreleets
04-20-2009, 11:53 AM
that's a horrbile comparison

Reggie Bush would be a better comparison

No, it's not. The point is this guy is a potential bust in the 1st rd. While I actually think Harvin is athletic enough to find a role in the NFL, I'm not sold on him in the WR role. Can he get seperation? Is he durable enough to play WR and return kicks? What about his character?

A player can be a bust for more than one reason...

baronvonheil
04-20-2009, 12:43 PM
I would not be happy to see us draft Harvin for a number of reasons

A He's a Florida receiver, they've all been busts except for Darrell Jackson, odds are bad here.

B He's got a RB Body. Very few elite receivers have that kind of physique.

and C.. CHARACTER ..

Pass, Pass, Pass

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-20-2009, 02:23 PM
i was hesitant with santonio holmes. i wanted the sure 10 year starter n. mangold. it worked out for us and i'd rather not go to that well twice.

Holmes was the only real polished WR in that draft. I think the other guys that were later round picks that year that I liked were Demitrius Williams and Hank Baskett. Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss and Derek Hagan all scared me as busts back then.

Harvin is at best Wes Welker and at worst Peter Warrick. Better off to get best value available at #32, like Mack, Wood, Moala, Brace, Laurinitis or any other solid football player.

St33lersguy
04-20-2009, 04:12 PM
Only on my dreams will bothHarvin & Vontae Davis be available. If Harvin was there I would take him. It won't happen though.

St33lersguy
04-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Harvin is at best Wes Welker and at worst Peter Warrick. Better off to get best value available at #32, like Mack, Wood, Moala, Brace, Laurinitis or any other solid football player.

Harvin has more value than all those guys you listed. He is the only player you mentioned that will be unlikely to be available. Brace and Maola are reaches anyway

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-20-2009, 06:09 PM
Harvin has more value than all those guys you listed. He is the only player you mentioned that will be unlikely to be available. Brace and Maola are reaches anyway

............and David Terrell (#8pick), Koren Robinson (#9 pick) Rod Gardner (#15 pick) had more "value" than Reggie Wayne (#30 pick), back in 2001. :coffee:

tony hipchest
04-21-2009, 06:32 PM
hes probably referring to santonio.

tony hipchest
04-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Did he have problems in college too?not really. just red flags that had people questionning his maturity level. these red flags reared their head when he was cited in miami beach shortly after being drafted, and again last year when he was pulled ove and in possession of the hippie lettuce.

no biggie. kirwan was a bit off the mark, but what i think he was referring to is that while the steelers prefer chior boys, they wont let problems like santonio, harrison, or m. smith had deter them from taking/keeping a player.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-21-2009, 11:58 PM
I think Pat might wanna rethink his mock. Harvin reportedly tested positive for pot :smoker:

I dont know if Tomlin and Colbert are looking for pot smoking slot receivers at #32. The guy will be loading up on Primantis to fight off the munchies in practice.

MasterOfPuppets
04-22-2009, 05:03 AM
thats exactly what scares me. i would just as soon trade down a bit and take brian robiskie if the steelers want a wr that bad with their 1st pick.

im listening to adam schein and jim miller calling him as safe of a pick as any in this years draft. todd mcshay was knocking him for not being explosive, and they said thats pretty much a load of bull. he just does his job and does it well.

too much potential "bust" factor with a wr. it would have to be a slam dunk, home run, sure fire thing (which i think robiskie is) for me to be comfortable with it. for that reason im coming around full circle and leaning towards alex mack.what he said ..... but i don't think robiske will be on the board as long as what some people think. :popcorn:

tony hipchest
04-22-2009, 09:52 AM
I think Pat might wanna rethink his mock. Harvin reportedly tested positive for pot :smoker:



looks like pat had some inside scoop on this story, and staying true to form, just analyzed the news as opposed to reporting it.

in this most recent mock he bumped harvin down 10 spots (from minnesota at #22)

from his article yesterday-

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fe0897&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Player news in the days leading up to the draft about failed drug tests or a newly discovered injury will also be big factors in the posturing business. Two weeks ago, it was rumored that a number of players failed a drug test; this week a few players will be confirmed. I remember going to Warren Sapp's hotel room the night before the 1995 draft to discuss what might happen once the news was out there that he may have failed a drug test. We had two first-round picks that year and I knew we would not take Sapp. I suggested that he get on a plane and go home and not subject himself to the embarrassment of having cameras on him with every pick. I respected Sapp for his decision to stay in New York and deal with the rumors flying around. Of course, he fell to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at No. 12 and had a great career.

How far will Percy Harvin fall this year? A team or two that never thought they had a chance to draft Harvin don't mind the rumors flying around, if it means he falls to them.


good article by the way, taking the readers into the war room

Don't believe the hype ... it could just be a smokescreen

Preacher
04-22-2009, 05:20 PM
Funny thing.

I think the one thing this ENTIRE board is in agreement on.. Whether it is politics, football, or square-dancing. . .

Is that the first round pick should be Alex Mack if he is available.

revefsreleets
04-23-2009, 08:46 AM
Just say no to Percy Harvin. Dude has Bengals written all over him...

Steel Head
04-23-2009, 09:19 AM
Just say no to Percy Harvin. Dude has Bengals written all over him...

lol, he does kinda remind me of Peter Warrick

SteelersTilIDie
04-23-2009, 02:56 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fbe661&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

and steelers pass on our greatest needs to take......

:doh: percy harvin??? id rather reach for mack, beatty, or even gilbert than take a wr with the 1st pick (i dont care how talented he is).

kirwan called sweed the #1 wr in last years draft. the drafting of harvin suggests to me that he thinks sweed will always be a #2 or #3 steelers receiver, or he doubts holmes and ward extending their contracts or staying with the steelers.



that is just sick... :banging:

First of all, you're ridiculous if you'd wrather reach for a second round offensive lineman than take an amaziingly gifted WR, second of all, WR is also a need of ours, and face it, Hines is in his mid-30s and has maybe 2 years left, and Harvin won't be a #1 receiver ever, he'll likely be a slot guy and a spectacular returner. Another way to cure a bad OL is to have a speedy slot receiver to dump it off to, and it obviously didn't hamper us that much last year, because we did win...what's that trophy called?????? Oh yeah, the SUPERBOWL!!

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-23-2009, 05:15 PM
First of all, you're ridiculous if you'd wrather reach for a second round offensive lineman than take an amaziingly gifted WR, second of all, WR is also a need of ours, and face it, Hines is in his mid-30s and has maybe 2 years left, and Harvin won't be a #1 receiver ever, he'll likely be a slot guy and a spectacular returner. Another way to cure a bad OL is to have a speedy slot receiver to dump it off to, and it obviously didn't hamper us that much last year, because we did win...what's that trophy called?????? Oh yeah, the SUPERBOWL!!

You are calling somebody rediculous for suggesting not to take a guy that is stupid enough to test positive at the combine for pot and is the 2nd best WR to come out of Florida since...................who?? Darrel Jackson, Jabar Gaffney, Chad Jackson. Sorry, but the long list of great Florida Gator WR's is escaping me.

Percy Harvin is as safe of a pick as Peter Warrick, Sinorice Moss, Koren Robinson, David Boston, Troy Edwards, etc.

Texasteel
04-23-2009, 05:50 PM
I just do not trust Florida WRs. I haven't seen to many of them live up the their so called potental.

tony hipchest
04-23-2009, 05:56 PM
First of all, you're ridiculous if you'd wrather reach for a second round offensive lineman than take an amaziingly gifted WR, second of all, WR is also a need of ours, and face it, Hines is in his mid-30s and has maybe 2 years left, and Harvin won't be a #1 receiver ever, he'll likely be a slot guy and a spectacular returner. Another way to cure a bad OL is to have a speedy slot receiver to dump it off to, and it obviously didn't hamper us that much last year, because we did win...what's that trophy called?????? Oh yeah, the SUPERBOWL!!spending a 1st round pick on a career slot guy is rediculous. we had that with UDFA nate washington. i wont even look in a wr's direction in the 1st round unless they have #1 wr (pro bowl) potential

1st round wr's have a huge failure rate as it is. however, take a look at the success rate of linemen taken in the 1st round (especially tackles). i would rather not take a huge risk or gamble and draft a player like beatty or mack, pencil them in as a starter for the next 10 years, and never look back.

after all we are coming of a... whats that game called?????? oh yeah, the SUPERBOWL!!!

i'll have to take a pass on the next troy williams, or reggie williams, or matt jones, or any of the whatchamacallit 1st round stonehands, druggie, busts who have failed for the jaguars.

thanks anyways. :hatsoff:

revefsreleets
04-24-2009, 08:28 AM
The problem with Harvin is nobody even knows if he'll BE a WR in the NFL. He's kind of shaped like a RB, and he may not be durable enough to play either position. Or maybe he just plays a little of both. Dude could end up being some kind of half-assed slash player who returns kicks. It's high risk, high reward, and even more so when you take character into account.

He's not Steelers material. NEXT!