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The Duke
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Urbik?ok....

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Wow... Kid seems to be a monster.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Looks like it's Urbik.

Giants fants can STHU.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Ok, Urbik I can live with. Don't know much about him.

SmashmouthFootball
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Kraig Urbik, OG....Not too shabby.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
That is a hell of a good pick.

fansince'76
04-26-2009, 10:04 AM
I'd rather see Kraig Urbik. He is the best OG left and could even play RT if needed.

Good call, E-G! :thumbsup:

mesaSteeler
04-26-2009, 10:05 AM
Kraig Urbik (OT)
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 328
College: Wisconsin
Conference: Big 10
Hometown: Hudson, WI
High School: Hudson HS
View Combine Page >>

Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 5.3 seconds
Bench Press : 29.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 24.0 inches
Broad Jump : 94.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 7.87 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.89 seconds

Featured Prospects

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2.

Overview

When Urbik's streak of 45 consecutive starts came to an end when he injured his knee vs. Penn State in 2008, the Badgers' midseason struggles began. Without their offensive leader, Wisconsin lost five of six contests before a fully recovered Urbik, the right offensive guard, guided the team to a 3-1 record to close out the season.

Wisconsin has been known for developing quite a bit of offensive line talent for the NFL ever since former head coach Barry Alvarez arrived on campus. A member of that renowned coach's best recruiting class, Urbik was the first Badger freshman to start at offensive tackle since All-American Chris McIntosh did in 1996. Urbik would go on to start 16 games at right tackle and 34 at right guard during his career -- and that versatility has made him one of the most coveted linemen in the 2009 NFL Draft.

Coach Alvarez hit the "mother lode" when he went recruiting at Hudson High School, as he not only secured the services of Urbik, but those of his prep teammate, Eric Vanden Heuvel, who went on to start on the right side of the Badger's front wall for the last three seasons.

At Hudson High School, Urbik was named to Prep Star's All-American team and was rated one of the top 55 players in the Midwest, according to Super Prep, as a senior. He was rated the third-best player in Wisconsin by Rivals.com, earning first-team All-State honors from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The team captain and MVP was also a first-team All-Conference selection while starting every game as a junior and senior. Urbik lettered in basketball and track, in addition to playing football. As a senior, he placed fifth in shot put at the Division I state meet.

Urbik enrolled at Wisconsin in 2004, earning Scout Team Player of the Week honors for his performance on that squad prior to the Michigan State clash. In 2005, he started 13 games at right offensive tackle, delivering 66 knockdowns and nine touchdown-resulting blocks to earn second-team Freshman All-American honors. The team ranked 14th in the nation in scoring (34.31 ppg) and 11th in pass efficiency (149.51 rating) during his first year with the varsity.

In 2006, Urbik shifted to right offensive guard. He tallied 83 knockdowns and eight touchdown-resulting blocks to help the Badgers average 29.23 points and 373.2 yards per game in total offense. Even though the front wall allowed 30 quarterback sacks, only one was charged to its sophomore offensive guard.

As a junior, Urbik received consensus All-Big Ten Conference second-team honors. He started the first 10 games at right guard, closing the season with three more starting assignments at left tackle. He registered a team-high 104 knockdowns and led the Big Ten guards with 15 touchdown-resulting blocks. Behind his stellar performance, the team averaged 408.77 yards per game, finishing second in the league and 21st nationally with a rushing average of 200.77 yards. He also recorded the only tackle of his career, coming vs. Penn State.

Despite suffering a knee injury vs. Penn State that would sideline Urbik for two midseason games, he was named to Phil Steele's All-American first-team and chosen first-team All-Big Ten Conference by several publications. He made 72 knockdowns and 11 touchdown-resulting blocks, paving the way for the conference-leading ground attack that averaged 211.15 yards per game, the 14th-best figure in the nation.

High School

Attended Hudson (Wis.) High School, playing football for head coach Craig Jilek...Was a teammate of current Wisconsin Badgers offensive tackle Eric Vanden Heuvel...Named to Prep Star's All-American team and was rated one of the top 55 players in the Midwest, according to Super Prep, as a senior...Rated the third-best player in Wisconsin by Rivals.com, earning first-team All-State honors from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel as a senior...The team captain and MVP was also a first-team All-Conference selection while starting every game as a junior and senior...Lettered in basketball and track, in addition to playing football...As a senior, he placed fifth in shot put at the Division I state meet.

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BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-26-2009, 10:05 AM
He needs to start tomorrow and work to be the next starter for the steelers..... I dont know him. Hopefully he is an upgrade

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:05 AM
YEAH!!!!!!

Urbik is solid. Nothing flashy, but a guy that will have a 10 year NFL career!!!! A senior guard from Wisconsin..........he either takes the RG job in camp or 6 weeks into the season!!!! :banana:

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:05 AM
I think its a reach, but they might. Strong guy, short with short arms that really grades out as a 4th round or later pick...........we already have Doug Legursky and Darnell Stapleton.

I'd rather see Kraig Urbik. He is the best OG left and could even play RT if needed.

Then Mike Thomas or Johnny Knox and either Mike Mickens, Donald Washington or Jasper Brinkley.

BIngo. Like the list of names to chose from as well.g

This was a good pick in my view just as Gonz predicted

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:06 AM
Wait, they're actually talking about the NFL champions?? :jawdrop:

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:06 AM
BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter awarded all-Conference honors the past two seasons. Started his career at tackle before moving to guard as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Large, versatile blocker with a solid game. Strong at the point, stays square, and jolts defenders with good hand punch. Powerful, knocks opponents off the line, and works blocks hard. Keeps his feet moving, anchors in pass protection, and plays with a nasty attitude. Displays good vision and works well with line-mates. Breaks down well, and to his credit, consistently plays with good knee bend. Can slide laterally in a small area.

NEGATIVES: Slow if asked to pull across the line of scrimmage or block in motion. Must improve his blocking balance.

ANALYSIS: Urbik has been tremendously durable and productive for Wisconsin, and he is a blocker with the ability to play several different positions on the offensive line. He lacks the great upside, yet he possesses enough skill to have a long NFL career.

PROJECTION: Fourth/Fifth Round

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 10:06 AM
Now a CB? I can see 3 or 4 that would fit the bill.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:07 AM
lol

told u.. i was a wee bit occupied last night.. and didn't rly see the 2nd rd

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:07 AM
Wow... they are REALLY high on this kid on the NFL network.

Blitzburgh_Fever
04-26-2009, 10:07 AM
YEAH!!!!!!

Urbik is solid. Nothing flashy, but a guy that will have a 10 year NFL career!!!! A senior guard from Wisconsin..........he either takes the RG job in camp or 6 weeks into the season!!!! :banana:

I just want to say once again I'm really impressed as a casual follower of the draft. With so many variables to consider, you consistently show you know your shit :thumbsup:

Stlrs4Life
04-26-2009, 10:08 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/kraig-urbik?id=71495

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Meredith, Sidbury, Robinson, and Iglesias still there. Jerry Micco kept saying DJ Moore yesterday as a potential pick?

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Now a CB? I can see 3 or 4 that would fit the bill.

Mickens or Asher Allen? DJ Moore is still sitting there

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:09 AM
We pick again at 84.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:09 AM
I'd rather see Kraig Urbik. He is the best OG left and could even play RT if needed.

.good call. you happy with that as our first address of the OL?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:09 AM
CB here and then maybe Shipley at 32?

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Wow... they are REALLY high on this kid on the NFL network.

What were they saying?

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Just looking at it again, this was really a crappy year for RBs this year.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Duke Robinson is still availiabe. Do you think we will pick him if hes not picked in the next 2 selections?

polamalu82
04-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Now a CB? I can see 3 or 4 that would fit the bill.

Mike Mickens. DJ Moore

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:10 AM
I think we take a WR or DB this time. Already took DL and OL.

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:11 AM
Derrick Williams from PSU got picked by Detroit.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:12 AM
i think dj moore could be the pick

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:12 AM
Now a CB? I can see 3 or 4 that would fit the bill.

I still like Mickens, but who else do you like??

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:12 AM
My guess, however, is Lawrence Sidbury. Sounds like a perfect Steeler project that we seem to take every year.

BIOGRAPHY: Two-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his junior season and named as an all American last year. Finished his senior campaign with 56/20/11.5 after 48/8.5/5 the prior year.

POSITIVES: Explosive college pass rusher with the athleticism needed to be used at several positions in the defensive front seven. Fluid, plays with great pad level, and rarely off his feet. Displays good first set step quickness, the ability to move in all directions of the field, and possesses a burst of speed. Fights with his hands to keep defenders off him, immediately alters his angle of attack and loses little momentum when he must change direction. Fast off the edge, can flatten his angle of attack, then pursue from the back side. Fights with his hands and jolts defenders with violent punch to protect himself.

NEGATIVES: Struggles getting off blocks once engaged at the point, gets caught up in the wash moving laterally, and shows hesitation to his game. Primarily asked to make plays up the field and rarely used in space.

ANALYSIS: Sidbury Jr. has shown great progress in his all-around game the past two years, and he is a pass-rushing terror who creates a lot of havoc up the field. He has the size and skill to line up in a three-point stance in a conventional alignment, or stand up over left tackle in and 3-4 defense. It may be necessary to put him in a system where he's not asked to read and react much, rather a scheme that allows him to pin his ears back and rush up the field.

PROJECTION: Second/Third Round

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:13 AM
So do we want a CB, or more OL help?

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:13 AM
i feel bad for williams.. he gets 2 go 2 a shitty team.. lol

polamalu82
04-26-2009, 10:14 AM
I still like Mickens, but who else do you like??

Mickens is my favorite left also. The kid does great in run support.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:14 AM
I think we might also trade to move into the fourth round again. We won't take 8 players today.

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:14 AM
wonder why meredith keeps dropping

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:15 AM
I still like Mickens, but who else do you like??

Allen and Moore. DOnt rule at FS with Rashad Johnson

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:15 AM
Didn't Mickens have some character issues?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-26-2009, 10:15 AM
I dont think we need to get a CB right now... We just signed one in free ageny...
Lets go OL again or DL

KeiselPower99
04-26-2009, 10:16 AM
I hope we get Taylor or Moore in a few.

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:16 AM
Pats take Brandon Tate...were up.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-26-2009, 10:16 AM
has Jarod Cook... TE been selected yet?

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:16 AM
The Pats took Brandon Tate.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:17 AM
has Jarod Cook... TE been selected yet?

i have no clue...

i can't even remember the pick from like 2-3 selections ago

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:17 AM
Meredith, Robinson, DJ Moore, Rashad Johnson, Mickens, Shipley...

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:18 AM
im suprised nobody traded next years 1st rounder to the patriots for their 1st selection in the 3rd. :coffee:

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:18 AM
Pick is in!

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:18 AM
Mike Wallace. WR. interesting.

SmashmouthFootball
04-26-2009, 10:19 AM
WR Mike Wallace

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:19 AM
Wow, we drafted a WR!

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:19 AM
Cook still available but I doubt he will be a Steeler pick.

Mickens....
BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his freshman season as well his being named as an All-American after his junior campaign. Totaled 70/4/10 last season in 11 games after missing three contests with a knee injury. Junior totals included 53/6/6 after 59/3/15 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Nice-sized cover man who has shown flashes of dominance the past four years. Feisty, fights hard to defend the throw, and he improved the physical nature of his game last year. Quick pedaling in reverse, fluid turning his hips, and loses nothing in transition. Effectively reads receivers? eyes and gets his head back around to locate the pass. Displays a good sense of timing, anticipation, and overall awareness. Shows a burst of speed to the action.

NEGATIVES: Seemed to play back on his heels at times last season. Struggles staying with receivers out of their breaks, and displays just an average break to the throw out of his plant. Blows assignments or loses his man on occasion. Not a sure-handed tackler, and gathers into ball carriers.

ANALYSIS: Mickens has been a solid college defensive back, yet he did not improve over the course of the last two seasons as scouts thought he would. He may be better off in a zone system where he?s facing the action. Mickens offers the size/speed as well as skill to eventually develop into a starter on the NFL level if he improves his game.

PROJECTION: Third Round

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:19 AM
Kick returner?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-26-2009, 10:19 AM
I also like Alex Boone.... I dont know what round he is projected to go in but hes a big boy for on the OL 6'8 312
I think he would be much higher if he was not picked up for DUI

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:20 AM
wow... i mean.. i know that ward is getting up there.. but u still got holmes and sweed....

unless they think that nance and baker suck major balls

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:20 AM
WALLACE

BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who posted receiving totals of 39/784/7 as a senior, averaging 20.1 yards per reception. Also averaged 24.6 yards on 35 kick returns, adding another score. Junior year receiving numbers included 38/716/6 with a 23-yard average on 21 kick returns.

POSITIVES: Game breaking receiver that consistently makes big plays from the line of scrimmage. Quickly gets into pass routes, displays a burst of speed and runs away from defenders in the open field. Nicely makes the reception running full speed and looks the pass into his hands. Gets vertical, grabs the ball from the air and returns to the field on balance then continues running after the reception. Solid athlete who nicely adjusts to the errant throw and makes the catch in stride.

NEGATIVES: Not a physically strong receiver. Limited in the types of routes he can run.

ANALYSIS: Wallace has been an underrated receiver for most of his career and was not rated by NFL scouting services coming into his senior season. He has big play ability as both a receiver and return specialist and Wallace is the type of prospect who will only get better the more experience he receives.

PROJECTION: Third Round

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:21 AM
Wallace?

Anyone have his metrics and stats?

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:21 AM
We need to get into round 4.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:22 AM
WALLACE

6'0.5"
4.33

Blitzburgh_Fever
04-26-2009, 10:22 AM
Guy who can stretch the field with his speed, kept reading on this board we'd pick a guy like that in the third or fifth, so not too surprising.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:23 AM
wow.. he does seem to be a fast guy

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:23 AM
199 lbs

fairly big, raw receiver that can returns kicks and has a lot of speed

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Yep...
Return specialist and fourth receiver. Not bad to take a shot here, especially with another 3rd round pick

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:24 AM
We need to get into round 4.

Why, we have another pick in the 3rd? Why would we trade down?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:26 AM
Nice fohawk too! :chuckle:

The Duke
04-26-2009, 10:26 AM
Insurance if they can't sign holmes?

hope not

anyway, I like it!! some competition for sweed too

mesaSteeler
04-26-2009, 10:26 AM
Mike Wallace (WR)
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 199
College: Mississippi
Conference: SEC
Hometown: New Orleans, LA
High School: O. Perry Walker
View Combine Page >>

Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.33 seconds
Bench Press : 14.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 40.0 inches
Broad Jump : 129.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 6.9 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.27 seconds

Featured Prospects

1.
2.

Overview

Few attributes attract NFL scouts more than pure speed. Wallace certainly has that. Despite starting three years for the Rebels, he didn't establish himself as one capable of taking advantage of his speed until he averaged 18.9 yards on 38 receptions as a junior. A year later, Wallace's speed was even more lethal, as he averaged 20.1 yards per reception and scored a career-high seven touchdowns.

Wallace is still a work in progress as a route-runner, but his ability to stretch defenses deep as an outside receiver and special teams wide on kickoff returns could land him a second-day draft selection from an NFL team looking to catch lightning in a bottle. Had an arm span of 31 3/8 inches and a hand span of 9 inches at the combine.

High School

Rated first-team All-State honors as a wide receiver following senior season at O. Perry Walker High ... Also earned league and district MVP honors as a senior, as well as all-league, All-Metro, All-West Bank and All-West Bank MVP ... Was rated by SuperPrep as the 17th-best prospect in Louisiana and was a member of its 2004 Southwest Team ... After seeing limited playing time as a junior (four receptions while playing mostly on defense), had an outstanding senior season, catching 60 passes for 1,039 yards (17.3 average per catch) and 19 touchdowns ... Also returned four punts and four kickoffs for TDs, giving him 27 for the season and 162 points, and had seven TDs called back ... Set school records for total points and for kicks returned for touchdowns ... Earned two letters in football ... Coached in high school by Terry Wilson ... Also lettered once in track, earning All-State honors in the 100.

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lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:26 AM
y ain't we in the 4th???

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:27 AM
Dang... This kid makes fast willy seem slow?!?!

For a 4th receiver.. not bad at all.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:27 AM
mayock said he had mike wallace timed at 4.28 40 speed at the combine.

plus wallace has the fro-hawk just like nate washingtons.

he should fit right in.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:29 AM
We can trade down into the fourth and possibly get two guys vs get one guy at the end of the 3rd and then miss out on an entire round. I would rather have two fourths at this point.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:29 AM
Damn Vikes there goes asher allen

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:29 AM
We traded our 4th round pick to the Donkeys to get the extra two 3rd rounders

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:30 AM
We may not even have to trade down since we have a crapload of picks in 5, 6 and 7. Two picks, one in 5 and one in 7, can't be traded though.

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:31 AM
We can trade down into the fourth and possibly get two guys vs get one guy at the end of the 3rd and then miss out on an entire round. I would rather have two fourths at this point.


I wouldn't, I would rather have a third rounder who doesn't have as much of a chance of getting cut as two fourth rounders. There are only so many roster spots available.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:31 AM
5 receivers in the last 6 rounds, dang.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:31 AM
ESPN noting the run on receivers which is good for us and why we need to get into the fourth to pick up some of the players all of us are listing.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:32 AM
oh... well thank u for that.. so we got rid of our 2nd and 4th for the 2 3rd's

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:33 AM
You made my point Hypo, why have two fifth rounders, a sixth, and two seventh rounders that WON'T make the team when you can have two fourths that have a better chance.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:34 AM
I like Wallace, but not this high. I hope he pans out. Watched him a few times this year while watching Oher in Ole Miss games and yes he looks the part. Has average size and great straight line speed.

If I remember correctly he is not a punt returner, but a kickoff return guy and has a chance to dress on Sundays if he can do that, but I think he will be the #5 WR behind Nance unless he shows something in the preseason.

Now, at the end of the 3rd we can go a lot of ways. CB, LB or even more D-line or O line help. Maybe Sammie Lee Hill.........or they could even go Shipley if they really love him that much.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:34 AM
We have to keep the compensatory picks in round 5 and 7 so why not trade away the rest to move into the fourth? If you have to add the last pick of the third round to pick up two in the fourth, DO IT!

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:36 AM
You made my point Hypo, why have two fifth rounders, a sixth, and two seventh rounders that WON'T make the team when you can have two fourths that have a better chance.

The steelers will not be able to move up into the fourth with their available picks that they have remaining. Third rounders are the best values in the draft.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:37 AM
If we stay in the third, we need to package one 5th and a 6th or 7th to move into the fourth at least.

BigBen2WardPITT
04-26-2009, 10:37 AM
it would be nice to get a 4th, but probably not gonna happen. But who knows.

Where do we go in the 5th? CB? OL? DL?

SMR
04-26-2009, 10:38 AM
good call. you happy with that as our first address of the OL?

Good! It's a start for the O-line help.
:thumbsup:
Urbik sounds like the right step in that direction. The guy's a monster.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:38 AM
As long as teams such as the Raiders are around, anything is possible in terms of trading up in this draft. HA!

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:39 AM
At CB Mickens visited with a reported visit from Keenan Lewis, I am guessing they really liked Washington or Cary later in the draft.

Dorell Scott or Sammie Lee Hill could be a chance at DT if they interviewed well.

I like a ILB at this point however,

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:39 AM
JARED COOK is gone. Someone asked about him earlier.

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:39 AM
I like Wallace, but not this high. I hope he pans out. Watched him a few times this year while watching Oher in Ole Miss games and yes he looks the part. Has average size and great straight line speed.

If I remember correctly he is not a punt returner, but a kickoff return guy and has a chance to dress on Sundays if he can do that, but I think he will be the #5 WR behind Nance unless he shows something in the preseason.

Now, at the end of the 3rd we can go a lot of ways. CB, LB or even more D-line or O line help. Maybe Sammie Lee Hill.........or they could even go Shipley if they really love him that much.


I could live with any of those or perhaps a developmental cornerback....one that can return punts.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Just looked up the Hill guy, he sounds interesting and seems to have some potential. Dude is a big man!

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:41 AM
As long as teams such as the Raiders are around, anything is possible in terms of trading up in this draft. HA!




So True


Does Denver have any more picks they want rid of?

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Can't Ratliff return punts?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Enough about Michael Mitchell already. :coffee:

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Dorell Scott or Sammie Lee Hill could be a chance at DT if they interviewed well.

,
I was thinking that too. Adding somebody that can play NT would do 2 things. Provide a younger backup than Hoke.....and insurance in case they dont resign Hampton.

Hill has more bulk to play NT, but apparantly he played much better this year when they moved him out to DE at Stillman.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 10:43 AM
I like the idea of Sammy Hill next. Not sure he would be there for us at the end of the 4th.

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:43 AM
How did DJ Moore go from a borderline first round pick to now possibly out of the third round?

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:44 AM
A possible late CB pick in round 5 or 6 could be Lankster from WVU. I am a homer on that one, but he has moved up some boards as of late.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:45 AM
So who will trade with the Cheaters next? :coffee:

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:45 AM
Just a note that Moore, Robinson, and Meredith are still hanging around.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:46 AM
FIve picks before we up.

WHo gets stolen from underneath us in these picks?

Gerald Cadogan, Jasper Brinkley, Mike Mickens, Jamon Meredith, Shipley, Dorell Scott, Sammie Lee Hill, Rashad Johnson or Lawrence Sidbury????

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
So who will trade with the Cheaters next? :coffee:i cant believe it. titans next years 2nd for a late 3rd rounder this year. :doh:

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
Why does everyone with the Patriots back into a round and give them a great pick the next year? This happens multiple times every year.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
idk.. could go anywhere right now

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
If we stay in the third, we need to package one 5th and a 6th or 7th to move into the fourth at least.

Trade Value Chart: Our 5th...27.4; our 6th....14.6, our 7th....2. We would have to package all three to get. a value of 44 which is the 32nd value in the fourth, so it would be possible to get into the very bottom of the 4th, but I would rather have three picks and pick up Summers in the fifth.

fordfan485
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm putting money that this next pick will be on Shipley, but i wont be too surprised if they pick a CB. Of course im kind of biased but if they do go with CB I would love to see them pick Macho Harris cant beleive he is still on the board. (I'm a Va Tech fan).

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:49 AM
FIve picks before we up.

WHo gets stolen from underneath us in these picks?

Gerald Cadogan, Jasper Brinkley, Mike Mickens, Jamon Meredith, Shipley, Dorell Scott, Sammie Lee Hill, Rashad Johnson or Lawrence Sidbury????i say a mini-run on the linemen (again).

SMR
04-26-2009, 10:49 AM
mayock said he had mike wallace timed at 4.28 40 speed at the combine.

plus wallace has the fro-hawk just like nate washingtons.

he should fit right in.

????!!!! u serious??!!

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:50 AM
Shipley can be had in the 5th.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:50 AM
DOnt rule out Donald Washington cb from Ohio state

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:51 AM
good call. you happy with that as our first address of the OL?

Tony, I am very happy. Duke Robinson could be a better mauler and straight inline blocker, but what Urbik gives up in potential upside, he makes up for in technique and pass blocking.

I watched him and Andy Kemp in their last few games and bowl game, as well as the Senior Bowl. Urbik showed me solid base, quick feet, great anchor in pass protection and HE IS A NASTY FINISHER in both pass and run blocking. You are gonna like his attitude!!

Urbik is not as agile as Vasquez, but plays meaner. Urbik is not as devastating a run blocker as Robinson, but a better pass blocker, technician and more nasty. :thumbsup:

Plus, I think he could slide out and play RT with his size too.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:51 AM
PANTHERS select....NONE of the guys we draft experts think should be taken.

Preacher
04-26-2009, 10:52 AM
who else here wants to see us pick up another lineman?

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
PANTHERS select....NONE of the guys we draft experts think should be taken.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
who else here wants to see us pick up another lineman?

I'd like to see an OT here or in the 5th.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
ditto with titans

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:54 AM
Tony, I am very happy. Duke Robinson could be a better mauler and straight inline blocker, but what Urbik gives up in potential upside, he makes up for in technique and pass blocking.

I watched him and Andy Kemp in their last few games and bowl game, as well as the Senior Bowl. Urbik showed me solid base, quick feet, great anchor in pass protection and HE IS A NASTY FINISHER in both pass and run blocking. You are gonna like his attitude!!

Urbik is not as agile as Vasquez, but plays meaner. Urbik is not as devastating a run blocker as Robinson, but a better pass blocker, technician and more nasty. :thumbsup:

Plus, I think he could slide out and play RT with his size too.

If WIllie Colon can be picked up as an OG and wind up as our RT there is no reason why Urbik cant do the same. He will prove to be a good pick down the road

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:54 AM
DOnt rule out Donald Washington cb from Ohio state

Yeah, there looks to be a run on corners, so it could be that. With Townsend and Ratliff in the final years of their contracts, I dont doubt that we could go CB right now!!

Mickens, Washington are more Steeler physical corners. Moore is still around and while I like Keenan Lewis as the best pure cover corner left.......he isnt a notably stron run supporter, but a willing tackler.

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest is still out there

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
what about the vaughan kid at safety? big guy, good speed, but he has some character flaws i guess

listed as a second round talent

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
who else here wants to see us pick up another lineman?


Count me in .....


I wouldn't be upset with corner either since they take some time to work themselves into the system.

lilyoder6
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
well i'm outa here.. gonna go hang wit some peeps

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
There goes Rashad Johnson to Ari.

Steel_Bus_24
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
man ***** the pats and their love fest they got going on over there on espn

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
who else here wants to see us pick up another lineman?

U know I do, but I think the Steelers believe Tony Hills can be a LT of the future and with Kemo, Colon, Urbik, Capizzi, Stapleton in the fold, I dont know if its a priority. If they think Shipley can handle the big NT's like Shaun Rogers........they will take a shot at him.

I personally want another lineman on both sides of the ball.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
Cards take Johnson...

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
i will try again...SIDBURY!!!

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
????!!!! u serious??!!that was on his personal stopwatch i guess. the official time was 4.33

Tony, I am very happy.

Urbik is not as agile as Vasquez, but plays meaner. Urbik is not as devastating a run blocker as Robinson, but a better pass blocker, technician and more nasty. :thumbsup:

Plus, I think he could slide out and play RT with his size too. just seeing some of the highlight tapes he looked to have a similar size and frame to faneca.

preacher, im down for another lineman.

BigBen2WardPITT
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
someone posted these names a little earlier.

Gerald Cadogan - OT - Penn State
Jasper Brinkley - ILD - S. Carolina
Mike Mickens-
Jamon Meredith - OT - S. Carolina
A.Q. Shipley - C - Penn State
Dorell Scott - DT - Clemson
Sammie Lee Hill - DT - Stillman
Lawrence Sidbury - DE - Richmond

just so we know.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
There goes Rashad Johnson to Ari.

I thought he might go. I have liked this guy as a potential steeler for a while. GUess he is just gone to be a Migrant Steeler trapped out west.

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 10:59 AM
Keenan Lewis! CB

Sorry for double post.

Preacher
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
We got a CB?!?

Lewis

fansince'76
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
man ***** the pats and their love fest they got going on over there on espn

Puck the Fats! :chuckle:

BigBen2WardPITT
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
nevermind, it's lewis.

SMR
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
I'd like to see an OT here or in the 5th.

Ditto for me.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
Happy Birthday Gonzo

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
Keenan Lewis....don't know anything about this kid.

mesaSteeler
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
Keenan Lewis (CB)
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 208
College: Oregon State
Conference: Pac 10
Hometown: New Orleans, LA
High School: O. Perry Walker
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Overview

After two seasons of battling injuries, Lewis had a healthy senior campaign, establishing himself as one of the most physical cornerbacks in the West. His work ethic and team-first attitude saw him perform at a level that has professional scouts feeling that he will quickly emerge as one of the National Football League's elite pass defenders.

Lewis not only excelled on the football field, but also received recognition for his success in the classroom, earning Academic All-Pac 10 Conference honors as a senior. That undoubtedly pleased his mother, Muriel, a teacher at Martin Behrman Elementary School.

Lewis, along with teammate Dennis Christopher, was recruited to Oregon State by former Beavers assistant and New Orleans native Charlie Camp. His family was displaced to Natchitoches for six months because of Hurricane Katrina. Their home sustained significant wind damage but fortunately did not flood in the storm, he said. Still, Lewis said he'd like nothing more than to be in a position to support his family one day.

"I definitely want to help my mom out," he said. "That would be a dream. But to have an opportunity to play for any team and just make it (in the NFL), that's what I'm trying to accomplish right now."

And while he loved his days at Oregon State, Lewis said he hopes his professional playing career will prove less geographically challenging for his family and friends. "I definitely hope that one day I'll be able to come back and play for New Orleans," said Lewis, who interviewed with Saints scouts at the NFL Combine. "I hope they bring me home."

At O. Perry Walker High School, Lewis was rated as one of the top 100 cornerback prospects in the country by Rivals.com. The first-team All-Metro and All-League choice as a senior, he made 75 tackles with four sacks and seven interceptions. He also returned five punts for 180 yards and five kickoffs for 150 yards in 2003.

His best prep game was against L.B. Landry High, when he produced 12 tackles, intercepted a pass, forced two fumbles, recovered a fumble, and returned a punt 55 yards. The three-year starter registered 71 tackles with two interceptions as a junior and posted 54 tackles as a sophomore. He also graduated with academic honors, attaining a 3.27 grade point average.

"Keenan is one of those Cinderellas," said Terry Wilson, Lewis' former head coach at Walker High. "I always knew Keenan was going to be good at whatever he chose to do because he always worked hard. He's always had a strong work ethic. He was just a pleasure to coach."

Lewis decided to bypass numerous scholarship offers to enroll at Oregon State in 2004, stating that he selected the university because, "OSU is strong academically and it will allow me an opportunity to play football in the best conference." He redshirted his first season with the Beavers, but was named Freshman All-American and second-team All-Pac Ten Conference in 2005, starting all 11 games at left cornerback. He added Academic All-Pac 10 honors and posted 45 tackles (25 solos) with two stops for loss and 11 pass deflections.

The Exercise and Sport Science major was again named to the Academic All-Pac 10 squad as a sophomore. He started 13 of 14 games, manning the left cornerback position, as he broke up eight passes. He also collected 22 tackles (17 solos) with one sack and two stops behind the line of scrimmage.

Lewis saw his playing time decrease by midseason after taking a helmet to his knee vs. Arizona. He would start 11 games in 2007, but had problems running because of the injury, which forced him out of the lineup for two contests. He did intercept three passes, leading the team in that category, but he had just two pass breakups and a career-low 15 tackles (12 solos).

In 2008, he achieved Academic All-Pac 10 status for the fourth time in his career. The team's active leader for starts with 48, he returned to his freshman form, delivering 35 tackles (27 solos) and a stop for a loss. He also batted down nine passes while picking off four others, including one that he returned for a touchdown.

High School

Attended O. Perry Walker (New Orleans, La.) High School, playing football for head coach Terry Wilson...Rated as one of the top 100 cornerback prospects in the country by Rivals.com...First-team All-Metro and All-League choice as a senior...Made 75 tackles with four sacks and seven interceptions, as he also returned five punts for 180 yards and five kickoffs for 150 yards in 2003...His best prep game was against L.B. Landry High, when he produced 12 tackles, intercepted a pass, forced two fumbles, recovered a fumble and returned a punt 55 yards...The three-year starter registered 71 tackles with two interceptions as a junior and posted 54 tackles as a sophomore...Graduated with academic honors, attaining a 3.27 grade point average...O. Perry Walker High teammates Burnell Wallace and Dennis Christopher are teammates of his at Oregon State, and Craig Davis and Dominique Cooper were student-athletes at Louisiana State.

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El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
that was on his personal stopwatch i guess. the official time was 4.33

just seeing some of the highlight tapes he looked to have a similar size and frame to faneca.

preacher, im down for another lineman. I think Faneca was lighter and more agile. Urbik probably has 15-20lbs more on him and looks thicker. Plus, Urbik is not as fast in pulling on traps.

Still, this guy is a Wisconsin O lineman. Kind of the same thing as an Italian pasta maker. Great pick IMO.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
KEENAN LEWIS
6'1", 208lbs, 4.44 speed

BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter who totaled 35/4/9 as a senior after 15/3/2 the prior season when he struggled with a knee injury.

POSITIVES: Nice-sized cornerback who displayed a lot of improvement in his game over the past two seasons. Fluid pedaling in reverse, quick flipping his hips in transition, and does a nice job positioning himself against opponents in man coverage. Runs downfield with receivers, shows a burst to the action and good hands for the interception. Fights with receivers throughout the action, and rarely challenged by opposing quarterbacks.

NEGATIVES: Despite his size, does not present himself as a strong or sturdy cornerback. Gives a large number of underneath receptions. Shows hesitation to his game.

ANALYSIS: Lewis possesses the size, speed, and skill to develop into a starter at the next level. He must be quicker thinking on his feet, and start to play to his size on an every- down basis to be anything other than a nickel or dime back.

PROJECTION: Third/Fourth Round

Edman
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
Eh...

BigBen2WardPITT
04-26-2009, 11:01 AM
CB definitely a need i think, not sure about this guy though.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 11:02 AM
Love it. This is a good CB that will work well under Tomlins direction,

Its 2am here guys - gunna catch some sleep and will see you back for the back end of this draft.

fordfan485
04-26-2009, 11:02 AM
Not surprised here, I knew if it wasnt going to be OL here it would be CB.


anyone else watching ESPN? Bill Cosby looks old as hell damn!

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 11:02 AM
good size and speed, just seems to need a little coaching?

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:03 AM
keenan lewis... huh.

all i know is i went to the sun bowl and pitt couldnt pass for shit in that game.

and OSU's punter looked like the most pro ready player on the field.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 11:03 AM
Lewis needs coaching, not Bill Cosby

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 11:04 AM
ok, we are off until the fifth freakin round

let's see if our listed guys are still there for the taking

The Duke
04-26-2009, 11:04 AM
Wow, about 70 picks before our next one

hoping for a trade into the 4th. Get Shirpley!!

SMR
04-26-2009, 11:04 AM
CB definitely a need i think, not sure about this guy though.

I like that we got a CB, but I hope his knee won't give out again.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:06 AM
Keenan Lewis....don't know anything about this kid.

Lewis played a ton of press man coverage at Oregon St. They left their CB's on an island all the time!!! He impressed with his change of pace and man to man coverage at the Senior Bowl week when I watched him. Honestly.........a shut down corner man to man!!!

At the combine, they were running 40's and Deion Sanders was commenting on a CB that didnt look like a CB, but then Keenan Lewis comes up and with his tall lean frame runs a good 40 like a greyhound and Primetime says something like.........."now that's a corner!! If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....then it's a duck" "I know just lookin'....NOW THAT'S A CORNERBACK "
Hood, Urbik, Lewis.........all guys that I love and were pimpin back in FEB. I am so much happier than last year at the draft!! :banana:

BigBen2WardPITT
04-26-2009, 11:06 AM
great pick by Bengals. Coffman is underrated. He's gonna be a good TE in the L.

SMR
04-26-2009, 11:06 AM
Wow, about 70 picks before our next one

hoping for a trade into the 4th. Get Shirpley!!

I'm hoping for Shipley too.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:08 AM
Love it. This is a good CB that will work well under Tomlins direction,

Its 2am here guys - gunna catch some sleep and will see you back for the back end of this draft.i always forget youre on the bottom of the globe.

so are you in yesterday or tomorrow? lol j/k

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:09 AM
Happy Birthday Gonzo

Thanks Tex!! I dont even need fathers day at this rate.

Aussie_steeler
04-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Hood, Urbik, Lewis.........all guys that I love and were pimpin back in FEB. I am so much happier than last year at the draft!! :banana:

Looks like its been a good day all round. Is it your birthday today GONZ?

Happy Birthday GONZ and it looks like you like the presents already. Cheers Mate

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 11:10 AM
i always forget youre on the bottom of the globe.

so are you in yesterday or tomorrow? lol j/k


He is tomorrow, which means we could have just asked him yesterday who the steelers were going to take today.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Here is a little of post combine analysis by Tony Pauline where he listed Keenan Lewis as a riser among CB's

Keenan Lewis/CB/Oregon State: Lewis was fast on the turf of Lucas Oil Stadium, moving his 208 pound frame across the field in times which averaged 4.45 seconds. His practice session was terrific as Lewis looked fluid and natural in all the drills.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/24/tuesday.risers.sliders/

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 11:11 AM
Wow, about 70 picks before our next one

hoping for a trade into the 4th. Get Shirpley!!

If you look at the trade value chart, our 5th and our 6th put you right at the top of the 5th or the bottom of the 4th. I'd be ok with that trade to get a better prospect if some of those second tier OT guys are still there.

BehindSteelCurtain
04-26-2009, 11:13 AM
Mike Wallce is also a returner.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:14 AM
Lewis played a ton of press man coverage at Oregon St. They left their CB's on an island all the time!!! He impressed with his change of pace and man to man coverage at the Senior Bowl week when I watched him. Honestly.........a shut down corner man to man!!!

At the combine, they were running 40's and Deion Sanders was commenting on a CB that didnt look like a CB, but then Keenan Lewis comes up and with his tall lean frame runs a good 40 like a greyhound and Primetime says something like.........."now that's a corner!! If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....then it's a duck" "I know just lookin'....NOW THAT'S A CORNERBACK "
Hood, Urbik, Lewis.........all guys that I love and were pimpin back in FEB. I am so much happier than last year at the draft!! :banana:
so do you like him better than the other OSU CB you were looking at in the third?

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:15 AM
Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St.

Overview
Teammate Brandon Hughes might get more attention, but opponents chose not to throw to Lewis' side of the field, limiting his playmaking opportunities. He was honorable mention All-Pac-10 in 2008 with three interceptions and eight pass breakups. For his career, he has six interceptions and 29 breakups. A 45-game starter, Lewis has the experience in the pass-happy Pac-10 to be able to make an early contribution to an NFL franchise. Blessed with a long, lanky build, strong hand punch and an explosive burst to close, Lewis is well-suited to the aggressive man-to-man schemes Oregon State prefers. He lacks the eye-popping athleticism and gaudy interception totals to warrant a first-round pick, but could ultimately be a better NFL corner than players drafted ahead of him.

Positives: Rare height for the position. ... Aggressive at the line of scrimmage. ... At his best in press coverage where he can get his long arms on the receiver and disrupt the timing of the passing game. ... Good foot quickness to turn and run with the receiver. ... Plants, drives and closes quickly. ... Gets his hands on lot of passes. ... Has the experience and intelligence to operate well in zone coverage. ... Enjoyed a solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl.



Negatives: Questionable deep speed. ... Lacks the soft hands for the interception. ... Misjudges passes and allows too many to get into his chest. ... Generally a reliable open-field tackler, but likes to duck his head and swipe, leading to some missed tackles. ... Can get a bit grabby downfield, which will lead to pass interference calls at the next level. ... Willing in run support, but was protected by a physical and experienced front seven, and prefers to stand around the pile, rather than throw his body into it.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 11:15 AM
Looks like its been a good day all round. Is it your birthday today GONZ?

Happy Birthday GONZ and it looks like you like the presents already. Cheers Mate

It aint over yet, theres still 3 or4 good OTs a couple of NTs and 3 very good ILBs, and a pretty good OC that seems like everyone loves. Still a lot of talent out there, just have to find it.

mesaSteeler
04-26-2009, 11:17 AM
ESPN Analysis Keenan Lewis

Pittsburgh Keenan Lewis CB Oregon State

You could make the argument that Lewis is a better fit at corner because he lacks ideal fluidity getting in and out of cuts.

However, we feel that he has a chance to be an excellent press corner. He plays with an edge he can deliver a violent initial punch and he does a good job opening his hips when forced to turn and run. He also hasd adequate speed.

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 11:17 AM
Bruce Arians was just on Pittsburgh radio. He liked Urbik for the fact that he can handle the big guards in the AFC North. He also talked about getting the ball between Urbik's legs to help get him dressed on Sundays. I guess for backup purposes. I like position flexibility to some degree, with backups, but I would really rather they pick people who can dominate a position, then have some flexible people as backups.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 11:19 AM
Cowboys take a quarterback. :chuckle:

And KC takes Washington.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:19 AM
He is tomorrow, which means we could have just asked him yesterday who the steelers were going to take today.

:sofunny:

It aint over yet, theres still 3 or4 good OTs a couple of NTs and 3 very good ILBs, and a pretty good OC that seems like everyone loves. Still a lot of talent out there, just have to find it. yep. i think everything from this point on is gravy.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 11:21 AM
:sofunny:

yep. i think everything from this point on is gravy.

My mock is crap, but I am very happy right now.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:21 AM
so do you like him better than the other OSU CB you were looking at in the third?

Yeah, I believe they are 2 different type players. Washington is probably more physical in run support, but Lewis is a greyhound that played lockdown man to man at Oreg St. and is the much better cover guy.

Wait till you see him. You will instantly think that we have a guy that will challenge taller recievers for the end zone fade routes. Tall with long arms. The only question was if he was gonna be physical in run support and I didnt know if the Steelers would like him for that......but he must have interviewed well.

I posted back on May 1, but with no response here.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=34275

joeyssteelcurtain
04-26-2009, 11:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXgQMiIBYBM&feature=related

some video of our new corner
what do you guys think

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:24 AM
My mock is crap, but I am very happy right now.:chuckle: yeah, i think the only thing any of us can hang our hat on, is most here had the steelers picking a DE, OL, CB, and WR.

were pretty damn good! :thumbsup:

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah, I believe they are 2 different type players. Washington is probably more physical in run support, but Lewis is a greyhound that played lockdown man to man at Oreg St. and is the much better cover guy.

Wait till you see him. You will instantly think that we have a guy that will challenge taller recievers for the end zone fade routes. Tall with long arms. The only question was if he was gonna be physical in run support and I didnt know if the Steelers would like him for that......but he must have interviewed well.

I posted back on May 1, but with no response here.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=34275

Well he was there bud, and I couldn't be happier.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:25 AM
Looks like its been a good day all round. Is it your birthday today GONZ?

Happy Birthday GONZ and it looks like you like the presents already. Cheers Mate

Aussie, its not my actual birthday, but Tex knows I liked Urbik and Keenan Lewis (Hood too). thanks anyways and cheers back at ya. :drink: I'd honor you with a yellowtail shiraz, but this calls for a pint!!

xfl2001fan
04-26-2009, 11:27 AM
Maiava? ILB for a 34 defense?

Preacher
04-26-2009, 11:30 AM
Much like our last pick,

I like this kid for a fourth stringer. Just from the little I read about him, it seems he has a lot of upside, and just has to be taught.

Then I look at our coaching staff, and Mikey T.. and think, we HAVE the guys that CAN teach.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 11:31 AM
so... the other teams.

i think the giants are tearing it up in this years draft.

sad to say, but i like what the browns have done, and the bengals could have alot of great additions.

joeyssteelcurtain
04-26-2009, 11:36 AM
some video of our new corner what do you guys think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXgQMiIBYBM&feature=related

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04-26-2009, 11:38 AM
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Preacher
04-26-2009, 11:40 AM
some video of our new corner what do you guys think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXgQMiIBYBM&feature=related


It looks like a LOT of cushion was given... then made up with natural talent and speed.

I don't like that, because he won't be able to do it in the NFL.

However, as I said before, that is a coaching issue, and we have EXCELLENT secondary coaches right now... including Tomlin.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 11:43 AM
Luigs was taken, but Robinson and Shipley are still on the board if we wanted to go OL.

mcopenhaver
04-26-2009, 11:44 AM
We don't pick again till the end of round 5. I'm afraid they'll all be gone by then.

xfl2001fan
04-26-2009, 11:44 AM
I'm not all that impressed...but it's for the reasons that Preacher already labled. He'll need to be coached up.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:50 AM
It looks like a LOT of cushion was given... then made up with natural talent and speed.

I don't like that, because he won't be able to do it in the NFL.
.

Actually Preacher, they do it a ton in the NFL. Its referred to as "off-man coverage". Its perfect because the Steelers an most other NFL secondarys play it. The only real places that play "press man coverage" are the Raiders and Bills.

I posted an article on Lewis back on the "welcome Keenan Lewis " thread. You will see there that he is a hard worker, with a great attitude, all academic performer. He has all the good person intangibles in addition to being potentially a better cover corner than Ike Taylor. In fact, I think he may have better cover skills than Ike right now, not as physical and lacks the experience.

Keenan Lewis, like Ike Taylor is from New Orleans.........so I bet Ike helps the kid out a lot in camp. I am truly excited about his selection.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Not sure what'll we'll get late in the 5th/etc, but so far I'm satisfied with our draft seeing how it's been such a crapshoot.

Hood is a Steeler, no question in my mind now.

Urbik has a lot of potential, and he could possibly start at RG sooner than later. Solid pick.

Wallace is somewhat of a project IMO, but he can easily be the 4th WR this year.

Keenan has the biggest question mark so far, but with our excellent secondary coaching (including Tomlin), he could develop into a good corner.


Be interesting who we take later.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 11:56 AM
I'm not all that impressed...but it's for the reasons that Preacher already labled. He'll need to be coached up.

By this article, Keenan Lewis is VERY COACHABLE and has the things like "size and speed" that you cant coach. Watch.........its gonna be a great pick. :thumbsup:

Most scouting services rank him among the top 15 cornerbacks and top 100 players in the draft.

"He's got good size and can run with wide receivers, and those are things you can't teach," Cincinnati Bengals defensive backs coach Kevin Coyle, who is coaching the position for the North team. "Oregon State was a big press bump-and-run coverage team, so there's a learning curve here for him, but Keenan has shown that he's a quick and willing learner. He's very conscientious and wants to do well."

Lewis also was a member of the Pacific 10 All-Academic team, which undoubtedly pleased his mother, Muriel, a teacher at Martin Behrman Elementary School.

said Terry Wilson, Lewis' former coach at Walker. "I always knew Keenan was going to be good at whatever he chose to do because he always worked hard. He's always had a strong work ethic. He was just a pleasure to coach."

I definitely want to help my mom out," he said. "That would be a dream. But to have an opportunity to play for any team and just make it (in the NFL), that's what I'm trying to accomplish right now."http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/01/op_walker_alum_hopes_to_catch.html

Preacher
04-26-2009, 11:59 AM
Actually Preacher, they do it a ton in the NFL. Its referred to as "off-man coverage". Its perfect because the Steelers an most other NFL secondarys play it. The only real places that play "press man coverage" are the Raiders and Bills.

I posted an article on Lewis back on the "welcome Keenan Lewis " thread. You will see there that he is a hard worker, with a great attitude, all academic performer. He has all the good person intangibles in addition to being potentially a better cover corner than Ike Taylor. In fact, I think he may have better cover skills than Ike right now, not as physical and lacks the experience.

Keenan Lewis, like Ike Taylor is from New Orleans.........so I bet Ike helps the kid out a lot in camp. I am truly excited about his selection.


yeah, watch the video though, I am not sure if he is play off-man, or if he just isn't watching the cuts and breaks, and is making up for it.

either way, in the bottom of the 3rd round, with his metrics, and his ability, for a 4th stringer this year, I am MORE than happy with the pick. I just don't expect anything consistent from teh kid for 3-4 years.

A talent that has to be groomed quite a bit. But that is why I keep saying, we have the coaching staff to do it, and from what I read about the kid, he seems coaching and a good guy. Those last two go REAL far, because it means he WILL listen.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 12:02 PM
There goes Big Sammie...

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 12:09 PM
And Vaughn and K.Moore...

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 12:15 PM
There goes Big Sammie...

The 2 big NTs I mentioned are gone. I hope they take a shot at Dixon, this may over used, but he could be a steal if healthy.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 12:18 PM
yeah, watch the video though, I am not sure if he is play off-man, or if he just isn't watching the cuts and breaks, and is making up for it.

either way, in the bottom of the 3rd round, with his metrics, and his ability, for a 4th stringer this year, I am MORE than happy with the pick. I just don't expect anything consistent from teh kid for 3-4 years.

A talent that has to be groomed quite a bit. But that is why I keep saying, we have the coaching staff to do it, and from what I read about the kid, he seems coaching and a good guy. Those last two go REAL far, because it means he WILL listen.

Are you kidding me?? Are you talking about the twin right formation about a minute into the video where he and the other CB are backed off 10 yards??? They have to play off so they dont get picked in a crossing pattern.

Watch about 3.5 - 6 minutes into the vid. against UCLA, Oregon, California. He is within 5 yards and some times right on the line of scrimmage playing press man. That video is awesome!!! He runs down some screen passes and plays run support much better than his scouting report.

In the video, it looks like they dont ask him to play inside or outside technique, but rather head up. That means they gave him no safety help. If he was getting safety help, the kid would line up outside of the WR, so as to force him inside. Lining head up on a guy means the WR can go left, right or straight.

Looks like they really left their corners "on an island" and asked them to play cover man a lot. Great Video. Thanks for posting. I am even more stoked about the pick now!!!

Preacher
04-26-2009, 12:27 PM
Are you kidding me?? Are you talking about the twin right formation about a minute into the video where he and the other CB are backed off 10 yards??? They have to play off so they dont get picked in a crossing pattern.

Watch about 3.5 - 6 minutes into the vid. against UCLA, Oregon, California. He is within 5 yards and some times right on the line of scrimmage playing press man. That video is awesome!!! He runs down some screen passes and plays run support much better than his scouting report.

In the video, it looks like they dont ask him to play inside or outside technique, but rather head up. That means they gave him no safety help. If he was getting safety help, the kid would line up outside of the WR, so as to force him inside. Lining head up on a guy means the WR can go left, right or straight.

Looks like they really left their corners "on an island" and asked them to play cover man a lot. Great Video. Thanks for posting. I am even more stoked about the pick now!!!

What video are you watching? Can you PM me the link (I gotta go into service in a little while, so I won't be back here until this is long and buried).

Maybe we were just watching two different vids, because the one I saw, the receiver was bending inside while he turned his back and ran straight out... Then, when he saw the pass, he put on the jets and came in, from about 10 yards out. Didn't follow the bend, but great speed however.

Like I said, PM me the link so I can see what you're seeing.

BTW... I think we differ in degrees here. Or, better said, we agree on the metrics and the talent, just maybe have different questions on how much skill that needs to be developed to go with the talent.

That's why I wanna see the link you watched... I was just commenting on what I saw from one video... don't know much about the kid otherwise... except what I have read about him this morning.


Matter of fact.. send me all the links you have!!! I REALLY wanna see the same things you are seeing. That would be GREAT if he really was that kind of steel (:chuckle:) in the bottom of the third round.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Raiders continue their excellent drafting technique. :chuckle:

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 12:43 PM
Raiders continue their excellent drafting technique. :chuckle:

Are they still here? I thought they went home.

The Definiti0n
04-26-2009, 12:50 PM
IM SO HOOOOODDD!!!

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 12:59 PM
Can Robinson and Shipley last another 30 picks? And do we even pick either if they're there?

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 01:08 PM
Can Robinson and Shipley last another 30 picks? And do we even pick either if they're there?

At this point it hard to say who will go next, but I'm not so sure we don't go ILB. There are still 2 very good ones sitting there, and I am surprised that Meredith is still on the board.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 01:11 PM
What video are you watching? Can you PM me the link (I gotta go into service in a little while, so I won't be back here until this is long and buried).



BTW... I think we differ in degrees here. Or, better said, we agree on the metrics and the talent, just maybe have different questions on how much skill that needs to be developed to go with the talent.
.

This is the link. Another poster put it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXgQMiIBYBM&feature=related

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 01:14 PM
anyone burning up with anticipation of who we get with the heralded sean mahan trade pick we got from tampa? :getdown:

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:15 PM
anyone burning up with anticipation of who we get with the heralded sean mahan trade pick we got from tampa? :getdown:

:toofunny:

kmsteelerwr15
04-26-2009, 01:18 PM
anyone burning up with anticipation of who we get with the heralded sean mahan trade pick we got from tampa? :getdown:

its what ive been waiting for all day :drink:

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:21 PM
Bengals draft the first punter! :laughing:

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 01:21 PM
:toofunny:

LOL.

i mean really... its possible we traded sean freaking mahan for the next tom brady! :chuckle:

it could be the best trade the steelers ever made!

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:23 PM
LOL.

i mean really... its possible we traded sean freaking mahan for the next tom brady! :chuckle:

it could be the best trade the steelers ever made!

Good! Then we can trade that stupid drama queen that wins super bowls. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 01:26 PM
:danceshout: for the draft trifecta.

nfl draft, nascar talladega draft , and draft beer.

:beerbang:

Pittsburghfan
04-26-2009, 01:26 PM
Any news on Frank Summers? at all?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:30 PM
Packers draft a FB...so do they cut Kuhn? :popcorn:

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 01:33 PM
I finally get to see some draft, LOL. I worked all weekend. So this is my first pick. Shipley is still there, isn't he? I see one more O'linemen with one of outr 5th round picks. We have so many young guys with the new pick, Legursky and the new J. Kuhn Jason Cappizzi.

billybob
04-26-2009, 01:33 PM
:danceshout: for the draft trifecta.

nfl draft, nascar talladega draft , and draft beer.

:beerbang:

You're a riot dude. Who's your driver ? I like Bobby Lebonte , but since he left Gibbs , haven't had much to cheer for.:tt03:

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:34 PM
You're a riot dude. Who's your driver ? I like Bobby Lebonte , but since he left Gibbs , haven't had much to cheer for.:tt03:

I'm a Jimmie fan, been one for as long as he's been racing.

Dunno about Tony though.

billybob
04-26-2009, 01:37 PM
Take it you mean the Johnson Jimmy?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:39 PM
Take it you mean the Johnson Jimmy?

Yeah, Lowes trumped Home Depot at the time. :laughing:

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 01:44 PM
Watching NFL netwrok. "Good things are happening in Cincinnati.":rofl:
I wonder if the new picks have been assigned probation officer as of yet.

billybob
04-26-2009, 01:45 PM
Labonte always seem to have a knack for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

tony hipchest
04-26-2009, 01:46 PM
You're a riot dude. Who's your driver ? I like Bobby Lebonte , but since he left Gibbs , haven't had much to cheer for.:tt03:im a fan of the blue 2, so im sad to say my driver is kurt bush.

i still like newman, too.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 01:47 PM
I'm just a bit bitter that we didnt have a 4th round pick to take Jasper Brinkley or Scott McKillop. Oh well, the rest is good so far.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 01:49 PM
I'm just a bit bitter that we didnt have a 4th round pick to take Jasper Brinkley or Scott McKillop. Oh well, the rest is good so far.

That did hurt a bit didn't it.

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 01:51 PM
Gonzo, whats with Meredith, You know?

stillers4me
04-26-2009, 01:51 PM
I'm just a bit bitter that we didnt have a 4th round pick to take Jasper Brinkley or Scott McKillop. Oh well, the rest is good so far.

Why didn't we have a 4th round pick?

Texasteel
04-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Why didn't we have a 4th round pick?

We traded it with our 2nd for the two 3rd round picks.

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Why didn't we have a 4th round pick?

We traded the fourth along with our second to get two thirds.

I like the move.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Why didn't we have a 4th round pick?

traded it to denver for those 2 third-rounders

The Definiti0n
04-26-2009, 01:55 PM
come on...Duke Robinson and A.Q. Shipley

billybob
04-26-2009, 01:56 PM
I have a feeling that A. Q. is coming to Pittsburgh .

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 01:57 PM
Maybe Chris Clemons S Clemson and an OT this round??

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 02:01 PM
NFL Network just ran a adversment for "Hard Knocks" the Cowboys training camp movie. Anyhow, there is a tag from TO where he says "some days I feel unstoppable." :toofunny: Seriously, your still going to run that?

Some days I feel gas. Of course, I can take something for that or just pass it along.

fansince'76
04-26-2009, 02:03 PM
NFL Network just ran a adversment for "Hard Knocks" the Cowboys training camp movie. Anyhow, there is a tag from TO where he says "some days I feel unstoppable." :toofunny: Seriously, your still going to run that?

Some days I feel gas. Of course, I can take something for that or just pass it along.

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 02:04 PM
NFL Network just ran a adversment for "Hard Knocks" the Cowboys training camp movie. Anyhow, there is a tag from TO where he says "some days I feel unstoppable." :toofunny: Seriously, your still going to run that?

Some days I feel gas. Of course, I can take something for that or just pass it along.

:rofl:

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Anyone would have thought that PSU's Ohrnberger would have been drafted before Cadogan?

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:06 PM
A few names from earlier still on the board in Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith, and Mike Mickens. All have dropped quite a bit. At this rate, Shipley can come around in the 6th.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Chris Baker sounds like a good pick for the DL.

ajs8207
04-26-2009, 02:11 PM
I've read Frank Summers would be a primary target in the 5th round if he's still available.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:13 PM
I think we get Robinson and Mickens back to back for round 5.

Steely McSmash
04-26-2009, 02:13 PM
eagles just got some good value with Tupou

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 02:15 PM
What about Beaty?

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 02:15 PM
What about Beaty?

Giants got him in the 2nd.

SaskSteeler
04-26-2009, 02:15 PM
do you think duke robinson will be there when we pick? and will we take him if he is there?

stillers4me
04-26-2009, 02:18 PM
traded it to denver for those 2 third-rounders

ahhhh...ok. I thought we traded one 2nd rounder for 2 thirder rounders. Thanks.

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 02:18 PM
What about Beaty?

He went to the giants in the 2nd

Hypocycloid
04-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Its crazy that the draft nuts were predicting we were going to take Robinson in the 1st just a couple of months ago. They are about as accurate as the weatherman.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Mickens does have a knee injury apparently that has scared off teams.

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:21 PM
Robinson is a mammoth that could end up at T or G. I think he has to be one of the next two this round. It sounds as if Frank Summers could be had in round 7 according to his ratings.

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 02:22 PM
There goes Meredith, finally! I swear, these guys fall until like just a handful of picks before us!

OneForTheToe
04-26-2009, 02:22 PM
Giants got him in the 2nd.


Thanks, ESPN isn't updating their players taken list.

SunshineMan21
04-26-2009, 02:23 PM
I'm concerned we're ignoring the O-line again . . . hopefully we pick up Robinson or Shipley here, because we've struck out on most of the good O-linemen.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 02:23 PM
Gonzo, whats with Meredith, You know?

No clue. He is a guy that bounced around a lot from different line position, but in Spurriers scheme, who knows what that means. There were questions if that was because Meridith never distinguished himself at any single position, or was flexible.

I think a lot was going to come down to research with the South Carolina coaches and his interviews. By the eyeball test Meridith looks like a basketball power forward or bulked up TE. Great athlete for a guy that size.

The fact that Garrett Reynolds went ahead of Tupou and Meridith is a total shock to me. Reynolds looked like a RT only, but at the combine he looked like a tall road pylon. No quickness, moves awkward, like Frankenstein in football pads.

ricksteelers55
04-26-2009, 02:24 PM
I've read Frank Summers would be a primary target in the 5th round if he's still available.

I think id take RB Rashad Jennings if available instead

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-26-2009, 02:24 PM
Mickens does have a knee injury apparently that has scared off teams.

OK, I thought he was on the road to recovery fully and is a physical run supporter. I'm very happy with Lewis pick.

The Definiti0n
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
there goes robinson

steelerinmd
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
Panthers take Duke Robinson, that really sucks!!!!!! I think he could have helped us a lot.

BubbyBrister
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
Panthers just took Robinson

Steelman16
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
And there goes Robinson. My theory is true!