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stlrtruck
05-04-2009, 07:50 AM
Say it isn't so, but I think "OLD SCHOOL" has a new meaning in this day in age

http://www.newsweek.com/id/195119?Gt1=43002

The Principal And The Paddle
One South Carolina educator used corporal punishment to turn around his struggling elementary school. Why he's so conflicted about it.


Charles Ommanney / Getty Images for Newsweek
Bedrock of Discipline: Nixon, seen with his students on a Smart board, has instituted many reforms over the past three years
By Eric Adelson | NEWSWEEK
Published Apr 25, 2009
From the magazine issue dated May 4, 2009


The wooden paddle on principal David Nixon's desk is two feet long, with a handle wrapped in duct tape that has been worn down by age and use. He found it in a dusty cabinet in his predecessor's office at John C. Calhoun Elementary in Calhoun Hills, S.C., where Nixon has been the principal since 2006. He has no idea if the old principal ever used it, but now it sits in plain view for all visitors to see, including children who have been dismissed to his office. As punishment for a "major offense," such as fighting or stealing, students are told to place both hands on the seat of a leather chair and brace for what Nixon calls "a whippin'." Before he begins, though, he sits the child down for a quiet talk about why he, or she, is in trouble. He tries to determine if a deeper issue, such as a problem at home, might warrant a meeting with a counselor. If the child shows remorse, Nixon will often send him or her back to class without a spanking. Otherwise, he makes sure he is calm, and he makes sure his elbow is still. Then he delivers "three licks" to the child's rear end. If the child is a girl, then a female administrator does it. Some of the kids cry. Some are silent. Some want a hug. And after the child is sent back to class, still stinging, Nixon sits alone in his office and thinks about what the child has done, and what he has done. "If I could burn that paddle in my stove," Nixon says, "I would. This is the worst part of my job."

Before Nixon took over "John C," student behavior had gotten so bad that one teacher described it as "chaos." She eventually quit in disgust, pulled her own child from the school, and moved to a different one 45 minutes away. John C is located in a rural stretch of South Carolina near the Georgia border where all but one of the major textile plants have closed, and where the leading local employer is the school system. Nearly 90 percent of the kids at John C live below the poverty line. When Nixon went to his first PTO meeting, only about a dozen parents showed up at a school with 226 students. He still has trouble reaching many families by phone because they can't afford to put down a deposit on a landline. And yet Nixon has managed to turn John C around. It recently earned three statewide Palmetto awards, one for academic performance and two for overall improvement—the school's first such honors in its 35-year history. Not everyone agrees with his methods, but most parents and teachers will tell you he couldn't have pulled off such a turnaround without his wooden paddle.

Still, the mere fact that it works hasn't made spanking kids any easier for Nixon, who's no fire-breathing traditionalist. He's 31, a brownish-haired beanpole with a soft-spoken but determined manner. Married, with an 8-month-old daughter, he taught agriculture to high-school students for six years but had no prior administrative experience. He studied animal science at Clemson, served as state president of the Future Farmers of America, and raised 50 head of beef cattle on his ranch. In 2006, a family friend called about an opening at John C. The school, he heard, was "kind of in bad shape," but he took the job anyway.

Thirty minutes into his first day of school at John C, a father walked into Nixon's office and said, "I want to give you the authority to whip my son's butt." Nixon was surprised, but after he thought it over, he decided to give every parent the same option. The year before he arrived, students made more than 250 visits to the principal's office; order had to be restored. While suspensions take kids out of the classroom for days, paddling could be done in 15 minutes. "What are we here to do? Educate," Nixon says. "This way there's an immediate response, and the child is right back in the room learning." According to school statistics, referrals to the principal's office have dropped 80 percent since 2006. So far this school year, there's been fewer than 50. "I've had parents say 'thank you for doing this'," says fifth-grade teacher Devada Kimsey. "And look at the behavior charts now—there's nothing on them."

Corporal punishment is still legal in portions of 21 states, including South Carolina, but it is rarely practiced anymore. Most education scholars consider it abusive, helpful only in the short term and even predictive of future violence. "This is not a practice for the 21st century," says Nadine Block, executive director of the Center for Effective Discipline in Ohio. "Maybe for the 18th century. An atmosphere of fear is not going to increase learning. Maybe temporarily. But over time, it does not work."

Nixon's policy does not have universal support at John C. On the permission form he sends to parents about paddling, a few have checked "no." "I was spanked as a child," says Deniece Williams, 36, who has a son at John C. "I want to go a different route." The school's mental-health counselor, Heather Hatchett, is equally concerned. "I'm not crazy about it," she says. "A lot of these kids come from violent homes, and kids see this as another violent act." (Nixon winces when Hatchett's words are repeated to him.) Even Nixon's boss, Abbeville County superintendent Ivan Randolph, is unsettled by the practice. "One has to be extremely careful with this," he says. "If it's not administered properly, it could be abusive."

stlrtruck
05-04-2009, 07:51 AM
the rest of the story:

Yet the majority of parents see Nixon's paddle as a deterrent, not a weapon. "I agree with the policy," says Tim Rhodes, 42, who has two children at John C. "Kids know if they do something wrong, they are punished." In Fran Brown's first-grade class last month, a brown-haired boy spat on a fellow student. Miss Brown strode to her computer, drawing a loud "oooooh!" from the class. She typed an e-mail to Nixon, who came right away. "I don't think it's right for kids to take away from the instructed time," says Brown. After a conversation in Nixon's office, the child was paddled at home. Parents are given the option of spanking their child themselves; on rare occasions, they come to the school and use their own belts.

John C isn't as bustling as typical elementary schools. The hallways are hushed as kids move wordlessly between classes, lined up single-file on the right side of each hallway, though they do bop and sashay in muted, youthful excitement. A severe budget crunch means the school will almost certainly have to let some teachers go. Still, John C is in much better shape than the state's woefully underfunded schools from the 2005 PBS documentary "Corridor of Shame," or the Dillon, S.C., school President Obama cited as needing repairs to block out the sound of passing trains. John C, with its sliced tennis balls on the ends of chair and desk legs, is shopworn but pristine.

Nixon has instituted many reforms over the last three years, and he's leery of focusing too much on paddling as a "fix-all." "The best form of discipline," he says, "is praise." He brings pizza for classes that perform well on tests, and he's plastered the teacher's lounge with statistics on each student's performance. In March, he held a school pageant, where boys and girls dressed in their Sunday best and did twirls onstage, with hundreds of parents giggling and snapping pictures.

But all the improvements, says fifth-grade teacher Karen Bass, were built on Nixon's bedrock of discipline. Bass was the teacher who left with her child years earlier. She returned when an administrator told her, "You should come back. It's different now." Bass says she likes her job so much she doesn't use her vacation days. "I'm oh so very pleased," she says. "And I can say that with full confidence because I've been other places."

Kids at the school say the paddle definitely makes them think twice about acting up. Asked if he's afraid of it, second-grader Nathan Hoover says, "Yes! It really hurts." The policy, he explains, is three strikes and you're struck. "I know if I got [paddled at school]," Nathan says, "my mom would whip me, too." Hoover's mother says she would give Nixon permission to paddle her child—parents only get the form if their child commits a major offense—but she's relieved that corporal punishment is only a "last resort." "Some kids see too much of that at home," Hoover says. They're no longer seeing much of it anymore at John C. According to Nixon, the last time he paddled a student was more than a month ago: March 16, after a fourth-grader swore in the cafeteria. Corporal punishment, it would seem, has worked so well at John C that perhaps the need for it no longer exists. Given Nixon's ambivalence toward the practice—indeed, he would not even allow NEWSWEEK to photograph the paddle—could it be that he's already delivered his last whipping? "I hope so," he says. But he quickly adds that there will always be "new kids who need to learn the limits at school." And one way or another, Nixon will make sure they get the message.

steelwall
05-04-2009, 07:58 AM
I remember I got spanked once for just talking in class. I'm not to keen on the idea of someone else spanking my child, unless I knew them very well, and gave them permission. If it's a serious offense I'd rather them call me and let me administer the spanking.

Edit: and it was the teacher that spanked me, not even the principle.....my my, times have changed.

hindes204
05-04-2009, 08:08 AM
I am a strong believer in dicipline and respect...sometimes you have to whack a child to achieve these things....now, dont think im an animal, there is a huge difference in whackin a kid and beating a kid, i dont believe in child abuse, i do however believe in corrective actions they may leave a red mark on my kids behind....people have gotten too sensitive and politically correct these days

steelwall
05-04-2009, 08:16 AM
We've all seen it... a kid out with their parent/s throwing a major tantrum. I usually think back to my childhood, when that crap just did not happen..... not at all . My mother wouldnt hesitate to slap me in the mouth. It wasn't so much about the pain as it was the embarrasment of getting popped in the mouth by your mom in front of people.

I knew better, and I never loved her any less for being that way, if anything it instilled more respect for her in me.

MasterOfPuppets
05-04-2009, 08:26 AM
this is what they used in my school .........


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9985/yk0413l.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yk0413l.jpg)

xfl2001fan
05-04-2009, 08:52 AM
I'm all for it. I think if more of this was going around, you'd see far less school shootings and such. If old school was good enough for my parents...then it's good enough for my kids too.

Vincent
05-04-2009, 09:06 AM
The paddle kept my ass in line :chuckle:, so to speak.

Call me old fashioned, but children need discipline. They not only need boundaries, but seek them to establish their own comfort. Punishment establishes behavioral boundaries.

Children that have had no boundaries have no respect for others, or the property and rights of others.

IMHO (that means my opinion only) an undisciplined childhood is a large contributing factor in a "liberal" adulthood. The absence of an understanding of the relationship between privilege and responsibility forged out of a disciplined childhood is a core flaw of liberalism.

Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr.,a forensic psychiatrist, goes further into depth as he explains the madness (yes, madness) of liberalism in his new book The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness. You can read more at his website http://www.libertymind.com/

And an article on same...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56494

Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist
Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
Posted: November 12, 2008
6:33 pm Eastern

2008 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

"Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded," says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to "the vast right-wing conspiracy."

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

"A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity as liberals do," he says. "A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state as liberals do."

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
* satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
* augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
* rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

"The roots of liberalism and its associated madness can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."

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revefsreleets
05-04-2009, 09:06 AM
Corporal punishment worked just fine for like 10,000 years. This has all "turned around" (for the worst) in the last 30-40 or so with the great liberal education reforms that came from the hippie kids in the 60-70's. These are the same "peace at ANY cost" nitwits who loved Cindy Sheehan. Thanks, Dr. Spock!

I watch kids nowadays and I notice that there is no threat that really works on them. Timeout? Please...

Spare the rod, spoil the child. It was true then, it's true now, and will be true 10,000 years from now.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
05-04-2009, 09:15 AM
Corporal Punishment is still legal in 22 states.

http://school.familyeducation.com/classroom-discipline/resource/38377.html

I graduate May 21st with a degree in Elementary Education. Through observations and internships I see many of our young kids with no means of discipline at home and completly disrespect any authority in school. I do not believe that corporal punishment is the answer (regardless of the fact that any teacher would lose their job). I believe in building relationships with students and earning their respect by respecting them. They have zero guidance at home and in a way look for guidance through their disrespect

Vincent
05-04-2009, 09:41 AM
Corporal Punishment is still legal in 22 states.

http://school.familyeducation.com/classroom-discipline/resource/38377.html

I graduate May 21st with a degree in Elementary Education. Through observations and internships I see many of our young kids with no means of discipline at home and completly disrespect any authority in school. I do not believe that corporal punishment is the answer (regardless of the fact that any teacher would lose their job). I believe in building relationships with students and earning their respect by respecting them. They have zero guidance at home and in a way look for guidance through their disrespect

Yes, they should try this in boot camp. Put all that yelling and unpleasantness to rest. O-Dark-Hundred - "Fellas, who would like to join me in a nice brisk run this morning?" Gunshots. Thud. Crickets.

What have those people done to your mind Son?

HometownGal
05-04-2009, 10:06 AM
I graduate May 21st with a degree in Elementary Education.

Congrats to you Lil' P! :drink::hatsoff:

I see nothing wrong with a whack on a kid's behind, whether at home or in school. As others have said - there is a HUGE difference between discipline and abuse. I only got the paddle once in grade school and when I got home that day after school, I got whacked again by my Mom for being disobedient in school (the principal notified her) and got grounded for a week which back then meant no TV, no radio, no going outside and no using the phone. I had to sit in my room and READ, God forbid! :jawdrop:

A lot of kids today are spoiled little brats and it all starts at home. If they are allowed to get away with disrespecting their parents, they're going to exhibit that same disrespect in school towards not only their teachers, but to their peers. Unfortunately, I see a lot of parents today who feel it is more beneficial to them and their child to be a "best friend" instead of being a PARENT. :shake01:

When my kids were in school, forms were sent home at the beginning of each school year asking whether parents wanted their children to get the paddle if needed. Though my kids were horrified, I had absolutely no hesitation in giving the school permission to whack them on the ass if needed and they knew that, like me as a child, if they got smacked in school, Round 2 awaited them at home. Kept them in line like little soldiers - LOL! :chuckle::

I give the :thumbsup: to corporal punishment.

revefsreleets
05-04-2009, 10:19 AM
Earning the kids respect is noble and the right idea. But what happens when that can't be done?

xfl2001fan
05-04-2009, 10:41 AM
Corporal Punishment is still legal in 22 states.

http://school.familyeducation.com/classroom-discipline/resource/38377.html

I graduate May 21st with a degree in Elementary Education. Through observations and internships I see many of our young kids with no means of discipline at home and completly disrespect any authority in school. I do not believe that corporal punishment is the answer (regardless of the fact that any teacher would lose their job). I believe in building relationships with students and earning their respect by respecting them. They have zero guidance at home and in a way look for guidance through their disrespect

That's great...but when that doesn't work, what do you do? My kids love me. I love my kids. When they have a problem, they come talk to me about it. They also know that if they cross certain lines, I'll spank them. I don't use a paddle, belt or anything. The size of my hand is a near perfect match with the size of their bottom...and there's a reason why the Palm of my hand and their behinds have an extra (natural) layer of padding on them. They meet quite well. I don't like spanking my kids...and for my 9 year olds, I haven't had to spank them since they were 3. My 4 year old daughter is extremely stubborn and still gets the occasional spanking, my 3 year old son is less stubborn and has learned where the lines are...and my 1 1/2 year old is now testing the front.

Where ever I take my kids, everyone exclaims how well behaved they are. They all say please and thank you. I don't require a Sir or a Ma'am...but they sometimes use it anyways. They say bless you when someone sneezes. They have manners and they don't get out of line. They know they have to eat real food before they get a snack. There's a reason all of this happens.

At the end of the day it comes down to this:

I respect my kids enough to punish them. I don't need to be their friend. I don't need them to like me 24/7. But, they WILL respect adults in general, my wife specifically and myself.

stlrtruck
05-04-2009, 02:02 PM
I remember in elementary school the principal was the one who spanked the student when it was deemed necessary. Then when I got home, I got another whoopin from my dad.

I have no problem, should the situation dictate it, that my children be spanked in school. But it can't be the first step. Never should be.

I believe my two older children's fathers did them a great injustice by not using spanking as a means of discipline. But that's just my opinion. My duaghter pushes the envelope daily with me. Constant fights about eating dinner, not listening, and blatant disobedience. I have a whoopin' paddle and I leave it out in plain sight. She knows I'll use it. I prefer not to use my hand only because children usually tend to hate the object that spanks them. The hand should be love, the paddle for hate! She hasn't yet gotten to the point that she realizes if she listens and obeys more often than not, then she doesn't get spanked. Although I do tell her nightly.

Like you XFL, I respect and love my kids enough to discipline them one way or another.

Preacher
05-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Corporal Punishment is still legal in 22 states.

http://school.familyeducation.com/classroom-discipline/resource/38377.html

I graduate May 21st with a degree in Elementary Education. Through observations and internships I see many of our young kids with no means of discipline at home and completly disrespect any authority in school. I do not believe that corporal punishment is the answer (regardless of the fact that any teacher would lose their job). I believe in building relationships with students and earning their respect by respecting them. They have zero guidance at home and in a way look for guidance through their disrespect

Here me out on this... while I am not a teacher, I have AMPLE experience in working with kids and teens from a position of authority (like you will be). You will have to make a choice VERY quickly in your first teaching job. Are you going to be a friend, or are you going to be a teacher. YOU CAN NOT BE BOTH. Kids and youth are not mature to understand the boundaries that exist in a relationship where a person is both authority and friend. As a result, they will usually default to friend and you will lose control, and not be able to teach them/impact their life.

However, when you are a teacher first (or in my case, their pastor, youth minister, children's minister first), establishing the boudaries and discipline necessary for that relationship, then the kids start to respond. They respond because kids want, more than ANYTHING else, for someone to provide a safe place for them by putting down boundaries that they can't push beyond. Part of that safety is knowng that a consistent and true consequence will come as a result of going beyond the boundaries.

One that is established, they will respect you a great deal. That respect can then be recipricated back to them. They will feel it, know it, and understand it. Then, when you sit with them and ask them about their home life, their personal life, etc., they feel SAFER telling you, because you have provided a safe enviroment for them.

Discipline is a necessary aspect to that. Building relationships that will truly benefit them can and will ONLY happen when you are an authority they can trust, and not 'a friend.'

trust me please, I made that mistake too often as a young minister.

Preacher
05-04-2009, 05:12 PM
But, they WILL respect adults in general, my wife specifically and myself.

But sadly, you are not teaching them to respect themselves, as you don't respect yourself. . .













YOU'RE A BROWNS FAN!!

:rofl: :wink02:

beSteelmyheart
05-04-2009, 05:19 PM
I remember having to bring permission forms home for my Mom to sign-she always did. I was "spanked" once in the first grade, refused to cry & further embarrass myself & was sent to the "cloak room" afterwards for awhile.

xfl2001fan
05-04-2009, 06:55 PM
But sadly, you are not teaching them to respect themselves, as you don't respect yourself. . .













YOU'RE A BROWNS FAN!!

:rofl: :wink02:

And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead.

steelwall
05-04-2009, 07:17 PM
And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead.


Oh no!!! run everybody!!!!

:laughing:

MasterOfPuppets
05-04-2009, 08:41 PM
And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead. slammed by a preacher ? :doh: ......well done preacher...well done.....:chuckle:

stlrtruck
05-04-2009, 08:51 PM
And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead.

Don't worry preach just put a goal line around your church, you won't have to worry about him finding it then.

Oh no!!! run everybody!!!!

:laughing:

I'm just curious what he's going to do? I mean after he goes 3 and out does he punt?

Preacher
05-04-2009, 09:33 PM
And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead.


:chuckle:

Sorry, it was just too well set up. You are ok in my book! :thumbsup:

xfl2001fan
05-04-2009, 10:01 PM
No worries, my skin is thicker than many of the other n00bz who troll this place.

Shoes
05-04-2009, 10:13 PM
WOW some of you folks must have been great kids in school..only getting paddled once! I got paddled from 1st grade till about 10 th grade (public school). The Teachers took great pride in crafting their wooden paddles into all kinds of unique designs. The one I feared most was about 2 foot long (not counting the grip) . About1/2 thick and split down the middle..also had holes drilled in the surface to reduce drag ...OUCH!

I had a wonderful 2nd grade teacher who would read the Bible to us each morning (which I know had a great impact on my life in later years). She did not spare the rod...I remember her chasing me with her yard stick saying "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him".(Proverbs 22:15)

I didn't have much discipline at home as a kid so getting my backside flamed at school did me much good. Think my 2nd grade teacher is smiling in heaven.

shoes

revefsreleets
05-05-2009, 08:33 AM
And at this point in time, we part ways. I renounce all religious ties and will become an atheist, strap a bunch of bombs to myself, load up on a bunch of weapons I get from my Right-Wing Extremist friends and blow up a church.

Freaking butthead.

Given the recent past and current state of the Browns, on a long enough timeline, I'm guessing this is probably ultimately the fate of MOST Browns fans...

steelwall
05-05-2009, 08:37 AM
WOW some of you folks must have been great kids in school..only getting paddled once! I got paddled from 1st grade till about 10 th grade (public school). The Teachers took great pride in crafting their wooden paddles into all kinds of unique designs. The one I feared most was about 2 foot long (not counting the grip) . About1/2 thick and split down the middle..also had holes drilled in the surface to reduce drag ...OUCH!

I had a wonderful 2nd grade teacher who would read the Bible to us each morning (which I know had a great impact on my life in later years). She did not spare the rod...I remember her chasing me with her yard stick saying "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him".(Proverbs 22:15)

I didn't have much discipline at home as a kid so getting my backside flamed at school did me much good. Think my 2nd grade teacher is smiling in heaven.

shoes


I think the parents made up for what I didn't get at school. And ohhhhh man you had better not got on Grandma's wrong side as a kid. R.I.P Grandma. The best and strongest woman I have ever known.

Dino 6 Rings
05-05-2009, 09:45 AM
The only problem I have with it, is this.

I have an 11 year old daughter, and the idea of some Man paddling my daughters butt, well, that's gonna fly over well with me at all. Let me take care of it, I don't want any other guy touching my daughter, teacher, cop, or whatever.

So as for that, I'd kick the living shiiit out of any man that "paddled" my daughter.

If I wanted anyone besides myself to physically discipline my daughters, I'd send them to Catholic School and let the Nuns have their way with them.

So that's my stance. Hit somone else's kids all you want, touch mine, and I'll bury your body deep and you'll never be found.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-05-2009, 10:09 AM
The only problem I have with it, is this.

I have an 11 year old daughter, and the idea of some Man paddling my daughters butt, well, that's gonna fly over well with me at all. Let me take care of it, I don't want any other guy touching my daughter, teacher, cop, or whatever.

So as for that, I'd kick the living shiiit out of any man that "paddled" my daughter.

If I wanted anyone besides myself to physically discipline my daughters, I'd send them to Catholic School and let the Nuns have their way with them.

So that's my stance. Hit somone else's kids all you want, touch mine, and I'll bury your body deep and you'll never be found.

Right on the money...I dont trust ANYONE else to make the judgement as to when to punish my kids.
I DID spank my kids and they are now well adjusted, polite, teenagers...(as opposed to the "time-out and entightlement" generation they are raised with). So the Department of Children and Family Services can kiss my rosy red butt and take their liberal "time-out" philosophy somewhere else.
I take my responsibliity to raise my children to be productive members of society , very seriously. That means it is MY responsibility...not the governments to tell me how...and not someone else do it for me.
Take a paddle to my kid...and it better be made of chocolate...'cause your going to eat it.

Preacher
05-05-2009, 01:41 PM
The only problem I have with it, is this.

I have an 11 year old daughter, and the idea of some Man paddling my daughters butt, well, that's gonna fly over well with me at all. Let me take care of it, I don't want any other guy touching my daughter, teacher, cop, or whatever.

So as for that, I'd kick the living shiiit out of any man that "paddled" my daughter.

If I wanted anyone besides myself to physically discipline my daughters, I'd send them to Catholic School and let the Nuns have their way with them.

So that's my stance. Hit somone else's kids all you want, touch mine, and I'll bury your body deep and you'll never be found.

Right on the money...I dont trust ANYONE else to make the judgement as to when to punish my kids.
I DID spank my kids and they are now well adjusted, polite, teenagers...(as opposed to the "time-out and entightlement" generation they are raised with). So the Department of Children and Family Services can kiss my rosy red butt and take their liberal "time-out" philosophy somewhere else.
I take my responsibliity to raise my children to be productive members of society , very seriously. That means it is MY responsibility...not the governments to tell me how...and not someone else do it for me.
Take a paddle to my kid...and it better be made of chocolate...'cause your going to eat it.

But the difference is, if the two of you received a phonecall from your child's school concerning their behavior, then they would have been in trouble at home. Many of these kids are not from that kind of enviroment.

Personally, I would NOT give approval. However, the principal would know quickly that a phone call to me would take care of the situation.

xfl2001fan
05-05-2009, 02:08 PM
The only problem I have with it, is this.

I have an 11 year old daughter, and the idea of some Man paddling my daughters butt, well, that's gonna fly over well with me at all. Let me take care of it, I don't want any other guy touching my daughter, teacher, cop, or whatever.

So as for that, I'd kick the living shiiit out of any man that "paddled" my daughter.

If I wanted anyone besides myself to physically discipline my daughters, I'd send them to Catholic School and let the Nuns have their way with them.

So that's my stance. Hit somone else's kids all you want, touch mine, and I'll bury your body deep and you'll never be found.

Well, at least with the female students (at that school) it does mention that a female administrator was doing the paddling.

Also, the parents must sign a permission form granting him permission to use the paddle.

There's also a three strikes and your...paddled rule in effect as well. It all adds up to a very nice policy. I like that he's more willing to buy Pizza party for the kids that do well than he is to discipline them. It's important to draw a hard line...but still be able to give out praise.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-05-2009, 02:10 PM
Personally, I would NOT give approval. However, the principal would know quickly that a phone call to me would take care of the situation.

Exactly!

JEFF4i
05-06-2009, 11:42 AM
Spank em with a 10 foot board with nails in it while they are strapped down. lol.

Put the fear of god in em!

stlrtruck
05-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Spank em with a 10 foot board with nails in it while they are strapped down. lol.

Put the fear of god in em!

I'm not so sure about the fear of God but it definitely should only take one spanking with that type of board to set them straight.

billybob
05-06-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm not so sure about the fear of God but it definitely should only take one spanking with that type of board to set them straight.

Thats funny :rofl: I had my a$$ busted so many times throughout school i can't count . You can not expect the same results on each individual . It all starts in the home and the upbringing of the child . I was always a rebel , so it did not work for me . I was never afraid of being embarassed in front of my classmates . I will admit that it did more good than harm , and no way was i anything like some of the youth today . I had my a$$ busted so much at home already it did not really have that much of an effect . I was beat for unbeatable circumstances , in todays society , it would be a crime, and my mother was very abusive to me . These are some strong words , but if i would have had better upbringing , none of that would have occurred . I would have carried the right attitude with me to school each day .
I do have two daughters aged 18 and 16 , not one time did i have to lay a hand on one of them . I preferred love , and talking to them , and of course the TONE of voice thing . I started it when they were young , and before they could even crawl , and they never had any trouble in school .
Love is the key , along with understanding , and compassion . If i felt guilty when they would cry because of the tone of voice , i could only imagine how i would have felt if i would have spanked them .
Guess my parents did teach me something after all , Don't abuse children .

xfl2001fan
05-06-2009, 02:45 PM
You can not expect the same results on each individual . It all starts in the home and the upbringing of the child . Amen to that.

I do have two daughters aged 18 and 16 , not one time did i have to lay a hand on one of them . I preferred love , and talking to them , and of course the TONE of voice thing . I started it when they were young , and before they could even crawl , and they never had any trouble in school . You got lucky then. My two oldest haven't had more than "The Tone" or "The Look" in over 6 years...but my youngest daughter is extremely head strong. I think my (currently) youngest son is going to be just as head strong as well...at least all signs/symptoms point that way.

Love is the key , along with understanding , and compassion .
Again, Amen to that.

Guess my parents did teach me something after all , Don't abuse children .So long as you understand that there is a difference between corporal punishment...and abuse. I have never bruised my children when spanking any of them...and two of them are very easy bruisers.

stlrtruck
05-06-2009, 03:02 PM
I do have two daughters aged 18 and 16 , not one time did i have to lay a hand on one of them . I preferred love , and talking to them , and of course the TONE of voice thing . I started it when they were young , and before they could even crawl , and they never had any trouble in school .
Love is the key , along with understanding , and compassion . If i felt guilty when they would cry because of the tone of voice , i could only imagine how i would have felt if i would have spanked them .
Guess my parents did teach me something after all , Don't abuse children .

I got spanked maybe once or twice in elementary school and no more than a half a dozen times at home during those same years. And while I understand it doesn't have the same results with all children, I would say you are blessed with your two daughters. My PRINCESS has the attitude, tone, and everything to go with it (must get it from her mother :toofunny:). I've shown love, patience, understanding and I've drawn the line using time out chairs, nose and toes in the corner, and the whoopin' stick. Doesn't matter every day she finds something else to challenge my authority. Just today she was brushing her teeth and took the toothpaste and put small dabs of it on the sink and toilet seat - she knows it's not meant for that, we've talked about it before and she understands that toothpaste isn't for the sink or toilet seat. But I digress, it seems that every day she chooses to challenge my authority (or her mothers) and occassionally, and I do mean OCCASSIONALLY, she gets it and we have what we lovingly refer to as "No whippin' days". Maybe I should send her to you for a few months and see if you can train her otherwise :thumbsup:

So long as you understand that there is a difference between corporal punishment...and abuse. I have never bruised my children when spanking any of them...and two of them are very easy bruisers.

While I've never bruised her (other than her ego and pride) but I know it's been close. I've had to catch myself a few times where if I would have snatched her up at the onset, I probably would have definitely made it more difficult for her to sit down.

billybob
05-06-2009, 03:08 PM
Amen to that.

You got lucky then. My two oldest haven't had more than "The Tone" or "The Look" in over 6 years...but my youngest daughter is extremely head strong. I think my (currently) youngest son is going to be just as head strong as well...at least all signs/symptoms point that way.


Again, Amen to that.

So long as you understand that there is a difference between corporal punishment...and abuse. I have never bruised my children when spanking any of them...and two of them are very easy bruisers.

I have the belief , that basically , a child is born innocent , the parents are the ones that _ _ ck them up , or have the potential to . I do know the difference between the two punishments . I took my 'ABUSE" as a child , and used it with compassion , only a positive tool for my children . I would never want a child to be treated the way that i was .
That was the painfull lesson i altered , and made into a positive tool , like i said . I never bought into the whole "it takes a village to raise a child concept " . If the parents are doing what they should be doing , then the village should be quiet . Maybe it is the village that needs to be examined .

billybob
05-06-2009, 03:51 PM
I got spanked maybe once or twice in elementary school and no more than a half a dozen times at home during those same years. And while I understand it doesn't have the same results with all children, I would say you are blessed with your two daughters. My PRINCESS has the attitude, tone, and everything to go with it (must get it from her mother :toofunny:). I've shown love, patience, understanding and I've drawn the line using time out chairs, nose and toes in the corner, and the whoopin' stick. Doesn't matter every day she finds something else to challenge my authority. Just today she was brushing her teeth and took the toothpaste and put small dabs of it on the sink and toilet seat - she knows it's not meant for that, we've talked about it before and she understands that toothpaste isn't for the sink or toilet seat. But I digress, it seems that every day she chooses to challenge my authority (or her mothers) and occassionally, and I do mean OCCASSIONALLY, she gets it and we have what we lovingly refer to as "No whippin' days". Maybe I should send her to you for a few months and see if you can train her otherwise :thum


While I've never bruised her (other than her ego and pride) but I know it's been close. I've had to catch myself a few times where if I would have snatched her up at the onset, I probably would have definitely made it more difficult for her to sit down.

Sounds like to me she is trying hard to play that "favorite" card on you guy's . How old is she anyway ?
My oldest Kaylene used to try that stuff too . If both parents do not stick , and one of you cave , she will develope even more power to control .
I always found that bonding with her was the most effective way to deal with her . I tried to think back to some of the things that i use to like to do when i was her age .
I took her to the creek where i use to play when i was a child , and had fun .
She had the biggest kick out of throwing rocks off the train bridge , and hearing and watching the rocks go ker-plunk into the water .
She loved searching for crayfish also , just like i used to . I think she just liked getting in the water , she wasn't fooling me .
It did create a bond that has never been broken . Sometimes to deal with a child , you have to put yourself on their level .
Kaylene is still a daddies girl .

stlrtruck
05-07-2009, 06:36 AM
I have the belief , that basically , a child is born innocent , the parents are the ones that _ _ ck them up , or have the potential to . I do know the difference between the two punishments . I took my 'ABUSE" as a child , and used it with compassion , only a positive tool for my children . I would never want a child to be treated the way that i was .
That was the painfull lesson i altered , and made into a positive tool , like i said . I never bought into the whole "it takes a village to raise a child concept " . If the parents are doing what they should be doing , then the village should be quiet . Maybe it is the village that needs to be examined .

Actually all humans are born with sin. The parents just either allow that to continue or attempt to curve the human desire for disobedience and so on.

It's good to see that you were able to overcome your "ABUSE" as a child and not pass it down to your children. I remember back in the early 90's my dad and I were watching an episode of Oprah (yeah he was watching it when I walked in) and they were talking about spanking. My dad looked over at me and said (with a grin), "You were abused as a child!" Basically saying that by the standards used on Oprah's show, I was abused. I don't think I was. My father used corporal punishment as a last resort.

I like the last statement. Although I believe it does take a village to raise a child, it does depend on what village you live in too.

Sounds like to me she is trying hard to play that "favorite" card on you guy's . How old is she anyway ?
My oldest Kaylene used to try that stuff too . If both parents do not stick , and one of you cave , she will develope even more power to control .
I always found that bonding with her was the most effective way to deal with her . I tried to think back to some of the things that i use to like to do when i was her age .
I took her to the creek where i use to play when i was a child , and had fun .
She had the biggest kick out of throwing rocks off the train bridge , and hearing and watching the rocks go ker-plunk into the water .
She loved searching for crayfish also , just like i used to . I think she just liked getting in the water , she wasn't fooling me .
It did create a bond that has never been broken . Sometimes to deal with a child , you have to put yourself on their level .
Kaylene is still a daddies girl .

She'll be 4 years old in June. My wife has had to alter her child rearing skills as her other two were not this demanding. Neither of us are quick to cave in, and are very supportive of the answers given to her.

I've used the bonding moments and those precious moments you see the light go off. Unfortunately, she tries to utilize those types of moments for good behavior. Like, "Daddy, can we go to the park today, I promise I'll listen?" While that initially tells me she really has no intention of listening throughout the day, I turn it around and tell her, "If you listen, then we can go to the park!" And while I know that also creates rewards for actions that should be common, I also think that it creates a more positive bond that you spoke of.

I should try to get a video tape of her "acting" up. It's hysterical if you're on the outside looking in but damn it's a struggle when you're on the inside. I think once I get her going to Pittsburgh on our annual Father/Daughter weekend, she'll start turning around - or I'll be leaving her with HTG while I go to the strip district and the game!