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Hammer67
01-11-2006, 07:49 PM
I read a recent article by Bob Smizik of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette talking about Bill Cowher's detractors and why they are just wrong. I had to post this for those that haven't read it as it articulates my thoughts exactly.

How, in your right mind, could you argue against Cowher's success? Especially in this age of Free Agency and quick coach turnover...Who would you want that was better?

Good stuff....


Smizik: Cowher a favorite scapegoat
Wednesday, January 11, 2006
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

For most of the 14 years Bill Cowher has coached the Steelers, this is the way most fans and some of the media have viewed his contributions:

When the Steelers win, the players did a great job; when they lose, Cowher's an idiot.

When the offense shines, the offensive coordinator is a genius; when the offense falters, Cowher's an idiot.

When the defense dominates, the defensive coordinator is brilliant; when the defense wavers, Cowher's an idiot.

When special teams excel, they're rarely noticed; when special teams stink, Cowher's an idiot.

The source of all things good about the Steelers varies immensely. The source of all things bad about the Steelers varies rarely.

If something is wrong, it's Cowher's fault.

The town is obsessed with his 1-4 record in AFC title games (which, by the way, is considerably better than 0-0). But it's seldom mentioned that in three of those losses the opposing quarterbacks were John Elway and Tom Brady (twice) and Cowher's quarterbacks were Kordell Stewart (twice) and rookie Ben Roethlisberger.

In the AFC title game after the 1997 season, Stewart, in his first year as a starter, threw three interceptions and lost a fumble, and the Steelers were beaten by three. Yet this game is remembered as some sort of coaching atrocity.

In the one AFC title game the Steelers won -- a four-point win against the Indianapolis Colts -- a frequent comment about the game is that Cowher (not the Steelers) didn't win by enough.

Even when he wins, he loses.

But now Cowher is about to enter almost virgin territory. The Steelers are not only expected to lose their AFC playoff game Sunday to the Colts, but they're also expected to lose by a large margin. They are a nine-point underdog. If the Steelers lose this one, it would figure to be because they lost to a better team, not because the coach messed it up.

Except that when the Steelers lost to the then-undefeated Colts, 26-7, Nov. 28, and were outplayed in every phase of the game, the most-remembered and most-criticized play of that game was the onside kick Cowher called to start the second half. The kick, which Indianapolis recovered, did not affect the outcome of the game.

With that in mind, here are possible scenarios for the game Sunday and why they will occur.

Steelers fall behind early and can't catch up. Reason for defeat: Cowher didn't have the team ready to play.

Steelers take early lead but fall behind and lose in fourth quarter. Reason for defeat: Cowher was outcoached by Tony Dungy.

In a close game, Steelers lose in final seconds on 59-yard field goal. Reason for defeat: Cowher was outcoached by Dungy.

Peyton Manning passes for five touchdowns in an Indianapolis rout. Reason for defeat: Cowher blitzed too much.

Manning throws six touchdown passes in an Indianapolis rout. Reason for defeat: Cowher didn't blitz enough.

In a 16-point loss, Cowher disdains a field goal early in the fourth quarter and tries for a touchdown. The play fails. Reason for defeat: Cowher didn't kick a field goal.

No question, regardless of how large an underdog they are, if the Steelers lose, Cowher will take the heat.

But what if they win? What will happen then?

A win is hardly out of the question. The Steelers are a good team playing well. Their offense and defense excelled in the final weeks of the season. Indianapolis is not playing nearly so well or with the sense of urgency required by the Steelers, who had to win in the final weeks.

Indianapolis is coming off a bye week, which brings with it many positives but also some negatives. It will be almost a month since the Colts played a meaningful game. They lost to San Diego -- a team the Steelers beat -- to end their perfect season Dec. 18. The following week they lost by 15 at Seattle, and beat hapless Arizona by four Jan. 1.

There's a theory that makes sense: If the Colts are to lose in these playoffs it will be this week when they might be a bit stale and before they've regained their stride.

So if the Steelers win in what would be a major upset, would this monkey -- this highly illogical monkey -- that's been riding Cowher's back for the better part of a decade disappear?

It should. Cowher's body of work demands it. This is his 10th season in the playoffs. Ten out of 14 is excellent. But will such a win really be enough to silence his critics? For a week, yes.

Should the Steelers win, Cowher actually might receive some praise. But if that win is followed by a loss in the AFC title game, you know what will be said.

The Steelers were good enough to beat Indianapolis, but Cowher couldn't win the next game.

Some things never change.

(Sports columnist Bob Smizik can be reached at bsmizik@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1468.)

Suitanim
01-11-2006, 07:57 PM
Brilliant! It's nice to see it all logically collated in one place.

It won't make any difference to his detractors, though...

Hammer67
01-11-2006, 08:00 PM
Brilliant! It's nice to see it all logically collated in one place.

It won't make any difference to his detractors, though...


True, but Smizik and his journalistic ways puts forth an articulate argument better then I can. If only that moron, Ron Cook, would quit.

Cowher haters are mostly football idiots anyway. The best argument is "He loses AFC Championship games!!!"

What??!!?

At least he is playing in AFC Championship games you (proverbial) stupid mother-f***er!!! :dang: :sofunny:

Suitanim
01-11-2006, 08:07 PM
I'm done commenting on this because some of our more sensitive posters allied with other teams may take offense at what I might assert, but it's still cool to see a level-headed take on Cowher for a change.

tony hipchest
01-11-2006, 08:27 PM
this is a very true article. unfortunately sundays game isnt one that the steelers will win, only a game for the colts to lose. there will be no talk about cowher if the colts lose, only about how the dungy tragedy and tony resting his players may have cost them the game. dungy too will bear some of the same burden cowher has carried once again and he will be the one who screwed it up. barely any mention will be given to cowher and a good job he may have done.

i think its 93 coaching changes have been made during cowhers tenure yet people talk like he should be fired every year. sure mariuchi is better, and dave campo. and of course the super bowl winners like b. switzer and b. billick. holmgren and shanahan are still geniuses even though they havent seen a champ. game since their h.o.f. quarterback lead the way. how many years did shula have marino without winning it all? yet he is great for his accomplishments in the 70's.

look at the accomplishments of the great assistants cowher has lost when they got their head coaching gigs. not much to look at. maybe the assistants dont deserve all the credit (although lebeau does but he didnt do crap for the bengals)

cowher has made the bold moves like firing t. lewis after a 6-10 season and the special teams coach after a breakdown in the 01 afcc game. yet it has all been his fault. he has accepted this fault like a man and where is his team today? 1 of the 4 afc teams that has a chance to represent in a superbowl. are hall of famers like shanahan, manning, bilichick and brady in the way? sure. will that keep him from having his team prepared to the best of its capabilities? i dont think so.

Hammer67
01-11-2006, 08:37 PM
The problem remains that Steeler detractors have no grip on an argument against Cowher. Even if they lose this weekend, I still think the Steelers had an awfully entertaining season and they remained competative. Making the final eight or final four every year is okay in my book.

Jesus...if some of these people lived in Detroit for one season they will wish they had Cowher.

IF Bill Cowher ever left the Steelers for any reason, he would be one of the most sought after coaches in years. He would probably be made the highest paid coach in the league as well. Don't doubt it...

He is the winningest coach of the last ten years...period.

Suitanim
01-11-2006, 08:42 PM
The problem remains that Steeler detractors have no grip on an argument against Cowher. Even if they lose this weekend, I still think the Steelers had an awfully entertaining season and they remained competative. Making the final eight or final four every year is okay in my book.

Jesus...if some of these people lived in Detroit for one season they will wish they had Cowher.

IF Bill Cowher ever left the Steelers for any reason, he would be one of the most sought after coaches in years. He would probably be made the highest paid coach in the league as well. Don't doubt it...

He is the winningest coach of the last ten years...period.

I concur...I had a great time watching the Steelers this year and riding the emotional roller coaster. So far the highlight was watching the Bengals go down in flames and seeing Cowher at least gain a tiny bit of redemption, even if it's not universally recognized...

If we lose to the Colts, Ambridge has already listed a bunch of reasons why we should, but if we are very competitive, that bodes well for Ben's 3rd year, and, well, if we should actually pull off the upset...hmmmm? It would really be something...

Hammer67
01-11-2006, 08:45 PM
I honestly believe the two best teams in the NFL are playing in this game. I really believe that...I think the winner takes the SB.

VegasStlrFan
01-11-2006, 09:02 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will), but don't the Steelers have the best record in the NFL during Cowher's time as coach. More than just the last 10 yrs all the way back to when he started. Enough Said!

Hammer67
01-11-2006, 09:07 PM
That is true...

3 to be 4
01-11-2006, 09:33 PM
Making the final eight or final four every year is okay in my book.




hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Suitanim
01-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Making the final eight or final four every year is okay in my book.




hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The Patriots won a little, and the BoSox won once. I don't follow hockey. Where did this overbearing arrogance come from?

Are you stating that finishing second is dishonorable? The Bills who lost 4 SB's are getting their's now (In the form of HOF nominations and inductee's)and, if we talk franchises, the Steelers still own one more trophy and 2 more appearances than the Pats.

I'm becoming more and more disturbed by the number of regular Pats posters here, especially when the onion peels back and we see that they aren't the benevolent society of closet Steelers fans we all (well, some of you) thought they were. I'm not saying we should ban them, I'm just saying, haven't any of you Steelers fans heard the expression "Wolf in sheep's clothing"?

Livinginthe past
01-11-2006, 10:12 PM
Anyone else suffering from 'metaphor overload'?

Im starting to feel like an onion that unpeels itself whilst simultaneously being a wolf inside a sheeps clothing.

NM

Stlrs4Life
01-11-2006, 10:20 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will), but don't the Steelers have the best record in the NFL during Cowher's time as coach. More than just the last 10 yrs all the way back to when he started. Enough Said!



You are correct.

This is a good story. I can't believe it was written by Smizik.

tony hipchest
01-11-2006, 10:28 PM
The Patriots won a little, and the BoSox won once. I don't follow hockey. Where did this overbearing arrogance come from?

Are you stating that finishing second is dishonorable? The Bills who lost 4 SB's are getting their's now (In the form of HOF nominations and inductee's)and, if we talk franchises, the Steelers still own one more trophy and 2 more appearances than the Pats.

I'm becoming more and more disturbed by the number of regular Pats posters here, especially when the onion peels back and we see that they aren't the benevolent society of closet Steelers fans we all (well, some of you) thought they were. I'm not saying we should ban them, I'm just saying, haven't any of you Steelers fans heard the expression "Wolf in sheep's clothing"?

patfans come from a long line of tradition and an even greater tradition of head coaches. im sure they even claim pete carrols national chamionships as their own. really, 4 years of success and they are eager to scoff at what cowher has done? time to put things into perspective and realize 'chick may very well be on his way out just like his father parcells did. and while he leaves fans heartbroken, cowher will still be a mainstay in pittsburgh with several rings to his credit. you see that is old school football with the likes of shulas, nolls, and landrys. ther are still fans who appreciate that.

im sure the jet fans appreciate belichick. he was the best coach they ever had.:sofunny:

Suitanim
01-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Anyone else suffering from 'metaphor overload'?

Im starting to feel like an onion that unpeels itself whilst simultaneously being a wolf inside a sheep clothing.

NM

What did I say that was wrong? You aren't sarcastic and demeaning? You aren't arrogant and overbearing? You aren't like the 6th grader hanging out with 3rd graders so you can feel superior (That's your 3 SB rings to none for all the newbies).

Dude, this is a STEELERS MESSAGE BOARD! Why should we kowtow to your subtle and not-so-subtle constant demeaning? Others may still defend you, but you are gradually exposing yourself as an arrogant overbearing NE fan...

Livinginthe past
01-11-2006, 10:39 PM
What did I say that was wrong? You aren't sarcastic and demeaning? You aren't arrogant and overbearing? You aren't like the 6th grader hanging out with 3rd graders so you can feel superior (That's your 3 SB rings to none for all the newbies).

Dude, this is a STEELERS MESSAGE BOARD! Why should we kowtow to your subtle and not-so-subtle constant demeaning? Others may still defend you, but you are gradually exposing yourself as an arrogant overbearing NE fan...

Im hoping them questions were meant to be answered.

Here we go.

1. Just about everything.

2. No, not always and rarely if unprovoked.

3. Hardly ever.

4. I cant believe you referred to Steelers fans as '3rd graders' - but the answer remains no.

5. If you insist on kow-towing - you might aswell do it to a fan of the best team in the country.

Hope that helps.

NM (having his skin removed layer by layer)

Hammer67
01-12-2006, 12:36 AM
All props to the Pats of late but I'll take a consistently competitive team over the last 30+ years over a team that really only started winning within the last ten...

just my opinion...

augustashark
01-12-2006, 01:06 AM
Cowher- 14yrs of coaching, 10 times in playoffs=74% of the time he lead team to playoffs. Pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. I have not looked at the stats for all the other coaches in the NFL, but I would say that 74% would be near the top of the list!


Speaks for itself!

BlitzburghRockCity
01-12-2006, 01:10 AM
Cowher will have his detractors until we win a superbowl under his tenure. Plain and simple no matter how ill placed it may be, its the unfortunate truth.

augustashark
01-12-2006, 01:17 AM
Cowher will have his detractors until we win a superbowl under his tenure. Plain and simple no matter how ill placed it may be, its the unfortunate truth.


I agree, I don't want Cowher to be remembered like D.Reeves, Marty in SD or worse-Bud Grant!!!


He must win a SB to be mentioned in the upper level of coaches!

PatsRule
01-12-2006, 11:41 AM
Well i agree Bill Cowher is a good coach and and a better person I saw that little expose on him and his family going to his daughters games I was touched..That said you got to win those AFC championship games and superbowls or forget it..The AFC north the past 15 years has not been one of the more competitive divisions and OI think that plays a part of so many playoff appearences..

I cant believe you would take Cowher over Belichik...he is the best coach in football 5 rings counting the 2 as a defensive mastermind for the Giants 3 as a head coach and the surprising thing not many superstars on his teams.What has Parcells won without Belichik thats right nothing..

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2006, 11:51 AM
I'd much rather lose the AFC Championship Game every year than end up like the Lions,Cardinals,Browns or a team that loaded up with stars to win ONE Super Bowl title and then be horrible for years because of the salary cap.

And like Hammer said,at least Cowher has been in AFCC Games.

Oh,and after we beat the Colts,we'll win either in Denver or in Foxboro to go on to the Super Bowl,and send Jerome Bettis out with a Super Bowl Championship.

tony hipchest
01-12-2006, 12:53 PM
[QUOTE=PatsRule]The AFC north the past 15 years has not been one of the more competitive divisions and OI think that plays a part of so many playoff appearences..

[QUOTE]

we must dissect this statement cause it really seems to take away from what cowher has done with the steelers. especially when the same statement isnt applied to belichick and the weak competition he has stomped on in his own division.

afc north (central) competitive opponents cowher faced who all made it to afcc games:
warren moons oilers
mcnairs titans and e. george (sb)
jax 14-2 team with the #1 defense
2000 ravens (sb winners) #1 defense
atleast 4 of cowhers playoff games have been against divisional opponents (brownsx2, ravens and cincinatti=all wins)

afc east opponents under belichick (i forget what year he started):
no playoff games against divisional opponents
jets make the playoffs several times
miami makes it once- loses 1st round
buffalo once- loses 1st round



in fact since the 90's bills the patriots, the jets once, and colts once, are the only ones to make it to the afcc game. on the other hand they all go 1-15 once too.

its obvious cowher plays in a very competitive division yet he has won the divisional crown 8 times.

Ambridge
01-12-2006, 05:23 PM
With all of the head coaches being fired last week it actually made me start to rethink my opinion about Bill Cowher.
Yes, those big game losses in the AFCC were hard pills to swallow but instead of holding onto grudges I guess I'm taking on the attitude of looking at the broader work of consistant winning football he's brought to Pittsburgh and the Steelers fans.

I sincerely hope Bill Cowher gets that Superbowl Ring, brings that 5th Lombardi back to Pittsburgh and retires the head coach of the Steelers.

PS-I still reserve the right to bash him when it is appropriate. :grin:

SalukiSteelers
01-12-2006, 05:42 PM
Well, coaches are judged by SB wins so maybe Cowher bashers feel they're justified in piling on the guy when the team loses. I think 3 to 4 said something about taking making the playoffs every year being good enough. Sure, I can sense the dripping sarcasm but if you think about it, the only way a team ever wins the SB is when they make the playoffs. It's a 'duh' statement but it's true and I'll take having the team that I love playing meaningful games in January.

Look at the teams that have beaten the Steelers in their last three AFCC games and it's easy to see that nobody was beating them. Both the Pats and the Broncos moved past Pittsburgh and on to SB wins. If you've got to lose, you may as well lose to the best.

Cowher frustrates me sometimes but I'll take his consistent winning and the ten opportunities to win SB's that his 'terrible' coaching has provided his team and its fans. You're my boy, Bill...Here we go!