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mesaSteeler
05-28-2009, 01:00 AM
Steelers notes: Starks in no hurry for new deal
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2009/05/26/sports/steelers/doc4a1cbbfa3c84d383580837.txt
By Mike Bires, Times Sports Staff
Published: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:06 AM EDT

The Steelers want Max Starks to sign a long-term deal. But the mammoth left tackle doesn’t appear to be in any hurry.

The Steelers can get much-needed room under a tight salary cap if Starks forgoes his “franchise” player contract and agrees to a long-term deal.

On one hand, Starks wouldn’t mind securing a multi-year deal. Then again, if the numbers aren’t right, he’s in no hurry to give up the $8.45 million he’ll make this year. “Franchise” players earn the average of the top five salaries at their position.

“I haven’t heard anything from my agent, so I don’t know what they’re doing,” Starks said when asked about the negotiations. “I’m sure they’ll let me know once something is happening.”

Starks is one of several starters in the last year of his existing contract. Traditionally, the Rooney family doesn’t engage in contract talks once a season starts, so if Starks is to get a new deal, it must happen between now and Sept. 10.

“It depends on the circumstances,” Starks said when asked if he prefers a new deal or his current one. “If it’s just a two year-extension, of course, I’d want something longer to kind of cement myself.”

Last year he earned $6.895 million when the Steelers tagged him as a “transition” player. “Transition” players are paid the average of the top 10 salaries at their position.

“I’m blessed to be in this position,” said the 27-year-old Starks.

HOW ABOUT HEATH?

If Starks is the Steelers’ No. 1 priority right now when it comes to contract extensions, then tight end Heath Miller is No. 2.

Miller is under contract to make $800,000 in base salary this year. Really, he’s underpaid for what he means to the team as a blocker and clutch pass catcher.

“I’m not really worried about something I have no control over,” Miller said. “That’s why I have an agent.

“The reason I’m here right now (at organized team activities) is to get better. That’s all I’m worried about right now.”

Miller was asked, “If you were a betting man, what are the odds you’ll have an extension before the start of the season?”

“I can’t answer that,” he said. “I’m not a betting man.”

X’s AND O’s

- For the sixth of 14 allowed OTAs, several players did not attend Tuesday’s workout. Among them were three starters: nose tackle Casey Hampton, defensive end Brett Keisel and wide receiver Santonio Holmes. Also missing were backup cornerback Deshea Townsend and backup safety Tyrone Carter.

- Because of rain, the Steelers practiced indoors.

- For no specific reason, the Steelers wore yellow-gold helmets instead of their customary black ones.

The yellow-gold helmets are worn when the Steelers wear their “throwback” uniforms.

“I don’t know why we wore the gold helmets today,” long snapper Greg Warren said. “All I know is that when I walked into the locker room today, our gold helmets were hanging on the hooks.”

- Linebacker James Harrison, whose 2-year-old son was bitten by his pit bull last week, didn’t speak to the media who attended Tuesday’s OTA.

Harrison’s son has been in UPMC Children’s Hospital recovering from a severe bite to the thigh. He’s expected to be released from the hospital any day now.

steelreserve
05-28-2009, 01:47 AM
“I’m blessed to be in this position,” said the 27-year-old Starks.

Yeah, no shit, you fat bum.

A guy like James Harrison works his ass off and wins defensive MVP, and his big payday ends up being more like $4-$5 million a year when all is said and done. Hines Ward spends his whole career here and breaks just about every receiving record, then takes a $3 million pay cut for the opportunity to retire as a member of the Steelers.

You show up and luck into a starting job by default, also luck into $8 million a year by being in the right place at the right time, and hold the team hostage to salary cap hell out of nothing but self-interest and a big ego. I hope you go spend the rest of your career with some sad-sack team like the 49ers, then turn out to be one of those morons who didn't have a plan after football and squanders all his money by the time he's 40.

MasterOfPuppets
05-28-2009, 05:53 AM
i hope to hell the fat bastard doesn't sign a long term deal ..... once the big slug gets his guaranteed money, whats to stop him from showing up at 450lbs ? :noidea:

Preacher
05-28-2009, 06:13 AM
Um... People... May I suggest you re-read the article.

His AGENT hasn't contacted him yet. The AGENT is doing the negotiations and he is wating to hear from him.

The only thing Starks said is that he doesn't want a 1 or 2 year deal. He wants to "cement" himself here. In other words, he wants to be a Steeler long term.

Not sure we can yell at a guy for that.

Steelers & I
05-28-2009, 06:48 AM
After reading the article, I didn't see any quotes from Max Starks that indicated that "he's in no hurry for a new deal". :noidea:

I personally am not a huge Max Starks fan so in my opinion the Steelers are, once again, wasting several million dollars on Starks who more than likely will never play up to his salary. :pity::paperbag:

lilyoder6
05-28-2009, 08:23 AM
well max needs to get into his agent's ass and get a deal done.. so they can free up some cap

GBMelBlount
05-28-2009, 08:37 AM
“I’m blessed to be in this position,” said the 27-year-old Starks.

Steelreserve

Yeah, no shit, you fat bum.

How can you blame the guy Steel?

I am more irritated with the years of ignoring this obvious problem which ultimately led to this fiasco.

BlastFurnace
05-28-2009, 10:18 AM
How can you blame the guy Steel?

I am more irritated with the years of ignoring this obvious problem which ultimately led to this fiasco.

Exactly. This is a FO office problem more than Max's problem.

steelreserve
05-28-2009, 12:45 PM
How can you blame the guy Steel?

I am more irritated with the years of ignoring this obvious problem which ultimately led to this fiasco.

Mostly, you're right -- it is our own stupid fault for putting ourselves in this situation. But I also think Starks and/or his agent are making things even worse.

When was the last time you heard of a guy who's perfectly happy with his job -- and not a star player by any means -- basically holding out from signing a contract because he's hoping for a franchise tag? This is the first case I've ever seen of that. 99 percent of the time, guys of Starks' skill level end up signing a deal that pays them close to what they're worth at the start -- in his case, maybe $3-$4 million -- and then goes up if they do well. If they hold out for a fat contract, they don't get it because they're easily replaced.

But again, you're right -- if we could find a short-term replacement with the same skill level as Starks for half the price (and we could), why the hell didn't we do it? Or at least put him on notice by letting him go unsigned past the franchise period? Our own damn fault. :banging:

atlsteelers
05-28-2009, 02:34 PM
starks does not owe anything to the steelers - this is a business and he has the team by the balls. the FO dug this hole and starks is laughing all they way to bank.

the big thought is what would starks get on the open market? Appearently the FO believes that have no chance in heck in matching that offer or they would let him test the market. Last year the falcons were extremely interested in starks before he franchinsed. so who knows.

steelreserve
05-28-2009, 02:55 PM
starks does not owe anything to the steelers - this is a business and he has the team by the balls. the FO dug this hole and starks is laughing all they way to bank.

All true, but that doesn't mean I've got to like him for it, or even be indifferent. Starks can go suck a fat one, because as a fan, this whole experience is about as pleasant as slamming your dick in a door. If he actually played well, it wouldn't be quite as bad, but as it is, this is just insulting.

Who knows what he'd get on the open market? I really don't care, though. If it's too much or someone wants to get into a bidding war, by all means, let him walk, because he isn't worth it.

Preacher
05-28-2009, 05:05 PM
After reading the article, I didn't see any quotes from Max Starks that indicated that "he's in no hurry for a new deal". :noidea:

I personally am not a huge Max Starks fan so in my opinion the Steelers are, once again, wasting several million dollars on Starks who more than likely will never play up to his salary. :pity::paperbag:

First paragraph... exactly.

Second paragraph, I am not quite so sure. He DOES play better on the left side. I don't think he plays 8 million dollars worth, but he does play better. he is an average lineman that we could use there.

I however, like the idea of being tied to the guy for only a year. See if he improves again this year from last year. If so, sign him long. If not, good bye, without any dead money.

However, IMO, we are reaping what Russ Grimm sowed as the line coach. Don't forget, HE was the one that neglected the line up until 3 years ago. The guys HE should have drafted should have been in the prime of thier careers with us now. Instead, he held on to the likes of chukky okobi, Trai Essex, Barret Brooks, etc. as the future of the team.

I know he is sacrosanct around here, but fankly, I was an am not impressed. Our O line had two of its most awful years while he was coach. He built a one-dimensional line.

Psyychoward86
05-28-2009, 05:19 PM
Yeah, no shit, you fat bum.

A guy like James Harrison works his ass off and wins defensive MVP, and his big payday ends up being more like $4-$5 million a year when all is said and done. Hines Ward spends his whole career here and breaks just about every receiving record, then takes a $3 million pay cut for the opportunity to retire as a member of the Steelers.

You show up and luck into a starting job by default, also luck into $8 million a year by being in the right place at the right time, and hold the team hostage to salary cap hell out of nothing but self-interest and a big ego. I hope you go spend the rest of your career with some sad-sack team like the 49ers, then turn out to be one of those morons who didn't have a plan after football and squanders all his money by the time he's 40.

Amen. Keep preaching. Starks dam well better be thankful for whatever money he gets out of the Pittsbughr Organization. It just might be his last.

steelreserve
05-28-2009, 05:26 PM
I however, like the idea of being tied to the guy for only a year. See if he improves again this year from last year. If so, sign him long. If not, good bye, without any dead money.

Oh, God! Can you imagine how much money he'll be demanding if he actually DOES have a good season, and in an uncapped year on top of it all? He'll want $16 million a year long-term. That's what I don't like about the idea that we're tagging him to "give ourselves another year to see if he pans out" or "have the option of signing him long-term." If he turns out to be worth keeping, we probably won't be able to.

Everything else you said, I pretty much think is dead-on.

MasterOfPuppets
05-28-2009, 05:34 PM
First paragraph... exactly.

Second paragraph, I am not quite so sure. He DOES play better on the left side. I don't think he plays 8 million dollars worth, but he does play better. he is an average lineman that we could use there.

I however, like the idea of being tied to the guy for only a year. See if he improves again this year from last year. If so, sign him long. If not, good bye, without any dead money.

However, IMO, we are reaping what Russ Grimm sowed as the line coach. Don't forget, HE was the one that neglected the line up until 3 years ago. The guys HE should have drafted should have been in the prime of thier careers with us now. Instead, he held on to the likes of chukky okobi, Trai Essex, Barret Brooks, etc. as the future of the team.

I know he is sacrosanct around here, but fankly, I was an am not impressed. Our O line had two of its most awful years while he was coach. He built a one-dimensional line.bu....bu....but russ....:coffee: ....c'mon preacher ....russ isn't with the steelers any longer....lets stay on topic....:laughing:

steelmann58
05-28-2009, 10:55 PM
There talk Straks was offered a long term deal recently and might be inclined especially since he scheduled to be married and looking for peace of mind

triphahn
05-29-2009, 12:18 AM
Could'nt we have let the jets take starks and paid faneca 8 million a year.

KeiselPower99
05-29-2009, 09:02 AM
Why would he wanna sign a long term deal? He is getting paid above what he deserves. If it was me I would sign a long deal either and risk losing millions this year.

Steely McSmash
05-29-2009, 12:29 PM
well max needs to get into his agent's ass and get a deal done.. so they can free up some cap


Why does MAX need to do that?

Steely McSmash
05-29-2009, 12:33 PM
Why would he wanna sign a long term deal? He is getting paid above what he deserves. If it was me I would sign a long deal either and risk losing millions this year.


If the long term deal had guranteed money in well in excess of the $9M he's guaranteed as of now.

steelreserve
05-29-2009, 05:53 PM
I think he knows that unless he gets horribly injured, whenever this franchise-tag idiocy runs out, some fool team will pay him $5-$6 million anyway in a long-term deal, and he won't get more than that from us. So why not milk it for as long as he can? It sucks, but what can you do. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind seeing him get a DUI or two.

steelerdave1969
05-29-2009, 06:09 PM
I have to agree reserve.. the guy knows that he is gonna make his money this season. I just heard that big OT Jon Jansen just got released and I would think he would have to be cheaper... hmmmmmm

tony hipchest
05-29-2009, 08:49 PM
bu....bu....but russ....:coffee: ....c'mon preacher ....russ isn't with the steelers any longer....lets stay on topic....:laughing:

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:


Um... People... May I suggest you re-read the article.

His AGENT hasn't contacted him yet. The AGENT is doing the negotiations and he is wating to hear from him.

The only thing Starks said is that he doesn't want a 1 or 2 year deal. He wants to "cement" himself here. In other words, he wants to be a Steeler long term.

Not sure we can yell at a guy for that.

After reading the article, I didn't see any quotes from Max Starks that indicated that "he's in no hurry for a new deal". :noidea:

:

silly rabbits... didnt you know?

as long as someone says it in a blog or a "reporter" puts it in print as news, it automatically becomes true.

reading the actual article doesnt even matter these days...

its all about the headlines. :rolleyes:

sorry to interrupt the witch hunt. carry on (not you 2 who i think actually get that this article is nothing more than speculative interpretation to fill pages and hopefully draw hits or sell papers, regarless if it is fact or mere sensationalism.)

revefsreleets
05-30-2009, 06:17 AM
Can't keep it in the political forum, eh?

In your mind, Mike Bires of the Beaver County Times = Eleanor Clift, editor of Newsweek? She's "just a silly blogger"?

Get back on the bench if you're going to mix political crap in with your football posts, second stringer....