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Fire Haley
06-02-2009, 05:15 PM
FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil (AP) — Brazilian military planes found a 3-mile (5-kilometer) path of wreckage in the Atlantic Ocean, confirming that an Air France jet carrying 228 people crashed in the sea, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Tuesday. Jobim told reporters in Rio de Janeiro that the discovery "confirms that the plane went down in that area," hundreds of miles (kilometers) from the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha.

Jobim said the discovery "confirms that the plane went down in that area" hundreds of miles (kilometers) from the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha.

He said the strip of wreckage included metallic and nonmetallic pieces, but did not describe them in detail. No bodies were spotted in the crash of the Airbus in which all aboard are believed to have died.

"It's going to be very hard to search for it because it could be at a depth of 2,000 meters or 3,000 meters (6,500 to 9,800 fee) in that area of the ocean," Jobim said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98IOPLG0

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RIP

HometownGal
06-02-2009, 05:17 PM
What a tragic story. This crash appeared to have happened so fast that the pilot didn't even have time to signal a mayday. Prayers out to all of the families of the victims and may they :tombstone:

Galax Steeler
06-02-2009, 05:21 PM
This is a bad story no survivors and in deep water they didn't have a chance.

Fire Haley
06-02-2009, 05:26 PM
Smack in the middle of the deep ocean too - bring in the deep sea subs and robots - if they don't find those "black boxes" we may never know what really happened.

Planes aren't supposed to fall outta the sky while cruising at 35,000 ft.


As of right now, the only thing we know for sure about this incident are those automated error messages

Everything else is pure conjecture.

And we don't even know if the errors reported in those messages were part of the cause or rather a result of the accident...

I'd say the best analogy to where we are right now is probably the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, where error messages and off-scale readings kept being sent as the aircraft (or the sensors themselves) disintegrated.

revefsreleets
06-02-2009, 05:42 PM
RIP.

You're right, we definitely need to know what happened here....

steelwall
06-02-2009, 07:35 PM
Tragic...but something is really wrong about this.

Fire Haley
06-02-2009, 08:19 PM
Those pingers on the recorders only have power for 30 days, they'll have to be lucky to get within a mile or so of them to find them at that depth.

some areas 13,000 + ft down

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/04/6004-004-9A688B70.gif

Dino 6 Rings
06-03-2009, 09:36 AM
Possible Bomb Threat right before the flight?

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:rogFhX-NRfYJ:momento24.com/en/2009/05/27/bomb-threat-on-air-france-flight/+Ezeiza+air+france+bomb+threat&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

Fire Haley
06-03-2009, 09:42 AM
Buenos Aires is in Argentina, that's where the bomb threat was made.

More speculation - won't know anything till (if) they find the boxes

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Dino 6 Rings
06-03-2009, 09:45 AM
Here's an updated report on the "threat"

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Travel/Travel/story?id=7742900&page=1

Fire Haley
06-03-2009, 10:08 AM
Sounds like the newsies are just looking for a story, but you never know.

Color me a sceptic, but a bomb going off just as a plane enters bad thunderstorms sounds like too good of a timing thing.

I do remember reading somewhere that the bomb that blew up FLT 103 over Lockerbie was supposed to go off over the open ocean so there wouldn't be any evidence but flight delays caused it to blow up over Scotland.

It's a mystery

trauben
06-03-2009, 10:32 AM
When I heard about this I remembered the scene from Castaway when the plane was crashing in the ocean.

Very tragic.

Fire Haley
06-03-2009, 10:39 AM
Then there are the lucky ones.....Final Destination?



Two were saved by an expired passport.

Two more postponed their flight on a whim.

The people who narrowly missed flight AF447 today recounted their escapes.

A Brazilian legal analyst João Marcelo Calaça, 37, was turned away at the gate as his passport had run out. The friend he was travelling with was furious, but neither got on the flight. Calaça didn't realise the jet had gone down until he woke in a hotel the next morning to 25 missed calls from his panicking family.

A Brazilian couple, Rodrigo Motta and Bianca Igrejas, decided on the dance floor of their Copacabana wedding celebrations that they wanted another night to enjoy their luxury wedding hotel. In the middle of their party, at 1am on Saturday, they postponed their flights using their mobile phones.

Claude Jaffiol, a French medical professor, had been at a congress in Rio before he and his wife visited a friend, the Dutch consul, in Brasilia. They decided to return early to Montpellier in southern France and insisted on getting flight 447. Their diplomatic friend pulled every string he could to get them on the flight but to their frustration, it was full. "It's a miracle," Jaffiol said, after arriving at Charles de Gaulle airport on a later flight. "We should have been on that plane."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/02/air-france-passengers-escape-air-crash

Fire Haley
06-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Interesting...

Brazil arrests high ranking Qaeda operative - report
Tue May 26, 2009 7:22pm IST

SAO PAULO (Reuters) - Brazil's federal police have arrested a high-ranking al Qaeda operative in Sao Paulo and are keeping him under tight security, a local newspaper reported on Tuesday.

The suspect is allegedly a chief of international communications for al Qaeda, according to the report in Folha de S.Paulo, Brazil's largest daily newspaper.

The report did not give the suspect's name or say when he was taken into custody, nor did it provide a source for the information.

The arrest was surrounded by secrecy with the federal police disguising it as part of an investigation into neo-Nazi groups in the country, Folha said. The report also said U.S. authorities were notified of the arrest.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-39893620090526

Fire Haley
06-04-2009, 01:20 PM
I found this...

Go to the Brazilian version of the wikipedia page of the Sao Pedro Sao Paulo Rocks, accessible from the English one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter_and_Paul_Rocks

Then scroll down to Morfologia Submarina. There is a 3-D plot of the ocean floor mapped by latitude and longitude:


The wreckage is located at W-NW to NW of SPSP Rocks - about 90 miles from it. The ocean depth is 3000 to 4000m.

Mountainous portion of the mid-Atlantic ridge - no flat seafloor here. Difficult terrain to say the least, if indeed this is where they are looking.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Motoki_Aspsp_br_Fig04_c_AbyssalMorphology.jpg/800px-Motoki_Aspsp_br_Fig04_c_AbyssalMorphology.jpg