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vasteeler
06-09-2009, 11:27 AM
kind of s slow day so i thought i would find out what you guys think

if he had been hired by another team say the lions how well do you think he would have done?

BlastFurnace
06-09-2009, 11:49 AM
Mike Tomlin would have been a good coach anywhere he would have went.

It has helped him to have a solid ownership and core group of players to start with, but you can't teach the kind of leadership and confidence the man instills in anyone who will listen to him. You could see this in him after his first press conference.

I guarantee you that Minnesota and Tampa are absolutely kicking themselves for letting him get away.

revefsreleets
06-09-2009, 11:52 AM
With Vince Lombardi as HC, Bill Walsh as the OC and Bill Parcells as the DC, Detroit would have STILL only maybe won 3 games last year.

Nobody could fix that mess in one year...too hard to undo years of systematic mismanagement.

El-Gonzo Jackson
06-09-2009, 12:19 PM
I guarantee you that Minnesota and Tampa are absolutely kicking themselves for letting him get away.

I saw a Brad Childress quote where he said he knew Tomlin would be a head coach soon, but hoped he would have had him for at least more than 1 season as D-coordinator.

Minnesota knew Tomlin was gonna get away. They already had tagged Childress as their guy.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
06-09-2009, 02:16 PM
Tomlin pretty much walked into a great situation when he signed to be a coach of your guys team.

Cowher, Colbert and the Rooney had the team already set when Tomlin walked in, and didn't really need to change all that much, was able to keep the D-coordinator and O-Coordinator, and pretty much he was set.

The guy obviously knows what he's doing though, as he made the Super Bowl in his 2nd season and has yet to have a losing season. He's a great coach, there's no really denying that.

But like I've said about Ben Roethlisberger in the past, if he was say...Head Coach of the Browns two years back, he would be nowhere near as successful and would be struggling.

I think this speaks moreso of how good the Steeler Organization is built, that they're able to hire a Head Coach, who was pretty much not as well known as other candidates and didn't even skip a beat really.

BlastFurnace
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Tomlin pretty much walked into a great situation when he signed to be a coach of your guys team.

Cowher, Colbert and the Rooney had the team already set when Tomlin walked in, and didn't really need to change all that much, was able to keep the D-coordinator and O-Coordinator, and pretty much he was set.

The guy obviously knows what he's doing though, as he made the Super Bowl in his 2nd season and has yet to have a losing season. He's a great coach, there's no really denying that.

But like I've said about Ben Roethlisberger in the past, if he was say...Head Coach of the Browns two years back, he would be nowhere near as successful and would be struggling.

I think this speaks moreso of how good the Steeler Organization is built, that they're able to hire a Head Coach, who was pretty much not as well known as other candidates and didn't even skip a beat really.

I agree with everything you said, but I do believe that Tomlin has a way of communicating and leading that has greatly added to his success. He had to win over that locker room. Most he succeeded with, some he didn't.

I don't believe just anyone who is a coach would have been able to lead this group to a 2nd SB in their 2nd year of hire without strong leadership and communication skills. As an example, imagine if Dave Wannstadt had been hired. Regardless of what was already in place, Wannstadt is no Tomlin.

HometownGal
06-09-2009, 04:22 PM
I agree with everything you said, but I do believe that Tomlin has a way of communicating and leading that has greatly added to his success. He had to win over that locker room. Most he succeeded with, some he didn't.

I don't believe just anyone who is a coach would have been able to lead this group to a 2nd SB in their 2nd year of hire without strong leadership and communication skills. As an example, imagine if Dave Wannstadt had been hired. Regardless of what was already in place, Wannstadt is no Tomlin.

:applaudit::hatsoff::applaudit:

Couldn't have said it better myself! :drink:

Tomlin has a way with his guys that is truly unique. The Steelers struck pay dirt when they chose him to be their guy. :tt03:

fansince'76
06-09-2009, 04:25 PM
Tomlin pretty much walked into a great situation when he signed to be a coach of your guys team.

Yeah, seems to me Norv Turner walked into a great situation in San Diego (a 14-2 record and a #1 playoff seed got his predecessor fired and he inherited arguably the most talented roster in the league from top to bottom), and what's he done there?

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
06-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Yeah, seems to me Norv Turner walked into a great situation in San Diego (a 14-2 record and a #1 playoff seed got his predecessor fired and he inheritied arguably the most talented roster in the league from top to bottom), and what's he done there?


I'm not saying that I don't think he's a good coach, in fact quite the opposite, , as pointed a guy like a Wannstadt or Turner may have messed it up. But I was just saying he's in a good situation, he had the personnel around him that's allowed him to succeed. I guarantee you he'd probably say the same thing.

The Steelers are built ultra-well, so much so that they were able to succeed the past two seasons with a sub-par o-line. Something you'd never hear about from the Browns or any other NFL team.

revefsreleets
06-09-2009, 04:47 PM
This year is his true test. Success breeds a lot of problems. Cowher's heart wasn't really in it after he won...Tomlin is lucky in that he didn't see a mass exodus via free agency, but, then again, if you listen to half the people on this board, most of his offensive players suck open ass anyway (which, at worst, makes him winning the SB all the more impressive).

If he takes the Steelers BACK to the promised land, he instantly cements himself as a great coach in my book.

tony hipchest
06-09-2009, 07:38 PM
tomlin easilly woulda turned around teams like the falcons, dolphins, and ravens, just like their rookie hc's did last season.

thats not to say any of those teams are ready to win the SB next season though. with all the talent, the patriots, cowboys, chargers, and colts supposedly have, the steelers are mistakenly left out of that conversation.

steelers have the perfect blend of excellent talent and great coaching. it is a recipe for many playoff and superbowl appearances.

Dino 6 Rings
06-09-2009, 07:55 PM
I believe if the Lions had hired Tomlin 2 years ago, the Lions wouldn't have gone 0-16 in his 2nd season. He would have brought Violence to the Lions, something that can win a game all on its own. I'm glad we have the most Violent Coach in the NFL.

Preacher
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
I think a lot of people forget we had a losing season the year before Tomlin came along.

The in that offseason, one of our defensive leaders was released and one of our offensive leaders was opening hostile to the new offensive scheming. He dealt with having a d-coord. that has assumed almost god-like status in Pittsburgh, and is pretty much untouchable, even though the passing game was cutting us up pretty well. Also an O where the top two guys took off, the line coach pretty much in disgust that he or his buddy wasn't chosen.

On top of that, a long-time player's coach was being replaced by a coach that was the same age as some of the older players.

No, Tomlin didn't walk into the sweet job that many think he did. He threaded his way through many landmines, and did it very well.

I don't deny for a second that even with everything mentioned, the Steelers were one of the best coaching jobs around. Just don't see it as the "everything is set just come and point" type of job that some seem to think it is.

Texasteel
06-09-2009, 08:12 PM
The long and short of it is, the royal family has found another winner. They always have, they always will.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
06-09-2009, 08:27 PM
This year is his true test. Success breeds a lot of problems. Cowher's heart wasn't really in it after he won...Tomlin is lucky in that he didn't see a mass exodus via free agency, but, then again, if you listen to half the people on this board, most of his offensive players suck open ass anyway (which, at worst, makes him winning the SB all the more impressive).

If he takes the Steelers BACK to the promised land, he instantly cements himself as a great coach in my book.

If I'm a Steeler fan I really wouldn't worry all that much about it.

The only real competition this year in the AFC North is from the Ravens...which, were swept this past season. Maybe they're able to split this season? That's the only scenario I see panning out.

The Bungals are...The Bungals. I'm very much surprised that they're being picked as third best. They are a worse run franchise than my Browns.

And My Brownies...if all goes according to plan, won't be able to fight the Steelers for a division title until 2011. They MIGHT be able to put a scare into them in between those two, as the Browns were able to do that a few times like they've been able to do. (Every year there's a close game and a blow out). But expect a 6-10 season out of them. Though I don't think they'll look nearly as bad as that record.

Now, onto the playoffs, I see this as the teams making the playoffs.

AFC East-Pats
AFC South- Titans
AFC West- Chargers

WC-Baltimore
WC- Jets? Bills? Phins? Whomever is able to win the 2nd place in the AFC East.

I see only one of those teams putting up much of a fight, and thats the Pats, maybe, maybe the Ravens could pull off an upset, but that's unlikely.As for the Pats Belichick normally knows how to beat the Steelers in the playoffs, sans a few Regular season games. That is where the test would be for Tomlin, if he can beat the Pats in The AFC title game, he'll be pretty set.

Only really problems I see is like you said, on the offense, The WR is a bit shaky depth wise, and OL...yeah...you guys may need to take care of that next year in the draft, but again, the division after the Ravens is pretty weak right now, and will probably be until the Browns sell the Bengals or, the Browns are able to build up some depth on both sides of the ball and stay injury free.

And believe me, I take no joy in admitting all of that, but un

FSUBoo
06-09-2009, 11:58 PM
I think that just listening to any press conference that Mike Tomlin gives is a way to see how great of a coach he is. If you look at the schedule release when he was interviewed. He was asked if he thought this year would be easier having the 4th-5th easiest schedule compared to the hardest, and he basically said that the games are played on paper, and that they came together as a team and peaked at the right time last year. We had like 8-10 playoff atmosphere weeks last year, and he led us like no other coach in the league could have. It takes a special coach to do that.

And to hit on the statement about the year before he came us getting cut up by the pass, we did. He brought in his Cover 2 flavor, and found a perfect way to mad scientist it with LeBeau, and look what you have, a scary good defense. One of the smartest moves he made as HC was keeping LeBeau. As long as he's with LeBeau, I think he learns from him and furthers the progress that LeBeau has made and shows us just how good a D can be.

Galax Steeler
06-10-2009, 04:32 AM
I think even if Tomlin would have went to Detroit he couldn't have turned that team around. Yes I would say they would have done better but he wouldn't have the personale or the players to put together a winning season. It take a little of both to get a chamionship team.

RoethlisBURGHer
06-10-2009, 07:43 AM
First, the Lions are so bad that it wouldn't matter who the coach was, they were going 0-16 last year. They had no talent at QB (Daunte Cullpepper is not the same guy who was chucking it to Moss in Minnesota). Their defense has more holes than Swiss cheese.

Second, Tomlin didn't walk into some totally rosy situation that some people think he did.

Some fans were upset that the Dan Rooney let Whisenhut walk away to Arizona. Some were upset that they didn't hire Russ Grimm when Whisenhut left. Some fans thought that Mr. Rooney was just hiring Tomlin due to the Rooney Rule.

Also, he had to win over a locker room that was mostly veteran players who had won a Super Bowl with Cowher and the two guys that went to Arizona. Hines Ward said that he preferred Whisenhut and Faneca was admittedly not happy that Whisenhut and Grimm were not kept...not to mention he felt snubbed by the Steelers contract offer that would have made him only a top five paid gaurd.

Also, the decision was made to cut team leader and fan favorite Joey Porter. While that was more of a Kevin Colbert move instead of a Tomlin move, a lot of people blamed Mike Tomlin.

The team went 8-8 the season before and people wondered if Tomlin could motivate this team. Didn't know how they would respond to his methods.

So he didn't have it easy, and that situation could have eaten up a lot of rookie head coaches (and even some vets).

As for the NFL Playoffs for the upcoming season, this is how I see the divisions and Wild Cards playing out:

AFC North: Steelers
AFC East: Patriots
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chargers
Wild Card: Ravens
Wild Card: Jets

And as for the Steelers beating Bellichick and the Patriots in the playoffs, those losses I blame on Cowher more than anyone else. He would show some expanded thought on offense in the season, then shut down to hsi Martyball ways in the playoffs. Run, Run, pass on 3rd and Long, Punt offense. He finally won a Super Bowl when he stopped thinking like that in the playoffs.

Tomlin's offense isn't quite as predictable. And IMHO, our defense might be better now than any defense under Cowher because Tomlin has taken the handcuffs off of Dick LeBeau that Cowher put on him.

revefsreleets
06-10-2009, 10:15 AM
There are several reasons why the Pats won't just automatically roll over the Steelers should they meet in the playoffs:

A) The emergence of Ben
B) The superiority of the Steelers D. (They don't have A. Smith to kick around anymore)
C) The wild card of the distinct possibility of the Pats actually playing fairly this year
D) Coaching. Belichick on a level playing field is < Tomlin in my book.

Dino 6 Rings
06-10-2009, 12:34 PM
You people are wrong about one thing.

The Bengals, not Ravens will be the 2nd team in the AFC North.

revefsreleets
06-10-2009, 12:59 PM
That may be, although I don't see any other team doing much better than 7-9. I personally think the Bengals are about a 6-10 caliber team.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
06-10-2009, 02:42 PM
I don't understand the hype behind the Bengals this year.

Palmer is a good QB, but their recieving corp is TO-lite and an aging Coles. Cedric Benson at RB...really? And their best o-linemen they picked up in the draft skipped out on the combine and has/d a weight problem. Really, the Bengals have not been very good since they had Steinbach. That guy is probably one of the most underrated players in the league.

I could see arguments made from the Ravens, they found their Ben, their recieving corp...is...okay, good enough to get the job done, their line is decent, and they may have a one-two bunch at RB with Rice/McGahee, and upgraded their o-line a bit, with Oher and Birk. And their Defense...Well, it's still good, but they did lose a good coordinator in Ryan and Bart Scoot. But I really see Lewis trying to make one last run at a ring.