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mesaSteeler
06-17-2009, 07:30 PM
Pittsburgh leads Cleveland, 11-0, in titles since 1964? Whoop-dee-doo!
Posted by mpeticca June 16, 2009 13:33PM
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/06/with_clevelandarea_help_pittsb.html

Typical of those who can't accept an occasional taste of provincial success with grace and dignity, Ron Cook of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette gloats that his tired city has won 11 major sports championships in the last 45 years, to none for Cleveland.
Without Cleveland-area linebackers such as Jack Lambert (Sports Illustrated cover photo) and James Harrison, the Steelers probably would have zero Super Bowl titles instead of six (just joking).

He writes:

The celebration yesterday in honor of the Penguins was our second in 132 days, dating to the February party for the Steelers after Super Bowl XLIII. It was the third in 40-plus months, counting the parade for the Steelers after Super Bowl XL in February 2006.

Cleveland hasn't had three in 40 years.

Actually, that's factually incorrect.

Cleveland hasn't had even one in 45 years for any of its major professional sports teams.

Cook's boasts - prompted by the Penguins' NHL Stanley Cup victory - may have some numerical veracity, but they lack historical perspective and are, really, only half (if that) the story.

Steelers stealers

Take the Steelers...please.

Pittsburgh was the worst franchise in the NFL until it hired Cleveland-born Chuck Noll as its coach. He led the Steelers to four of their first six Super Bowl championships. Keying Noll's indomitable defense was Hall of Famer Jack Lambert, a graduate of Crestwood High in Portage County and Kent State, and considered by some as the best linebacker ever.

We gave you Bill and Chuck.

Former Browns linebacker and assistant coach Bill Cowher led Pittsburgh to its fifth Super Bowl win. Cowher, despite his accomplishments, wasn't good enough to be head coach for the Browns. Don't believe it? Former Browns owner Art Modell chose Bill Belichick over Cowher as Cleveland's new coach in 1991. Proving that the Browns' decision-makers have always known what's best, Belichick has coached three Super Bowl championship teams.

Who's the reigning NFL defensive Player of the Year, and a linebacker on Pittsburgh's last two world champion teams? Akron's James Harrison, another former Kent State star.

What would the Steelers have been without such guys? And, all of their championships have been won since NFL games became more a dance than a brawl. After all, it was Lambert himself who famously said, "Quarterbacks should wear dresses," after he was reprimanded by the league for hitting a quarterback too hard. The Browns won all four of their titles when the game wasn't supervised like a croquet match.

We think Ron has really Cooked the books on this one. Cleveland has it all over Pittsburgh culturally, anyway. Do you know that Pittsburgh is so lacking in creative thinking that its football team was named the Pirates from 1933-40 (when it went 24-62-5, by the way)?

Pirates just been awful

The Pittsburgh Pirates' baseball team even makes the former, failed and forlorn Pittsburgh Pirates' football team look good.

Pittsburgh baseball has lost 318 games more than it has won since 1992. Recent Indians' teams look like the 1927 Yankees compared to the Buccos. Yes, the Pirates won the World Series in 1971 and 1979, but if they were any good lately, they would have made it to the 1995 or 1997 World Series to play the Indians, to see who really is best.

The Pirates' inherited their ineptitude from the Pittsburgh Alleghenys, who went 23-113 in the 1890 National League pennant chase, finishing 66 1/2 games behind the first-place Brooklyn Bridegrooms and 23 games in the dust of the seventh-place Cleveland Spiders. The Alleghenys were outscored by 738 runs for the season, which even a Steel City citizen could tell you is more than one run per game.

Yes, in 1899, the Cleveland Spiders went 20-134, but we dare Ron Cook to find one person who can honestly say those Spiders were worse than the '90 Alleghenys.

Take Cavs over any Pitt team

Joshua Gunter, The Plain Dealer You realy think the Pittsburgh Ironmen could have stopped LeBron James?

What a great NBA history Pittsburgh has. Its lone NBA team, the 1946-47 Pittsburgh Ironmen (another creative name), played in the league during just its first season, when it was called the Basketball Association of America.

Typical of the city they represented, the Ironmen went 15-45, finishing 15 games behind the legendary Cleveland Rebels. Pittsburgh record books show that Colby Gunther is the team's all-time field goal percentage leader, hitting 33.6 percent of his shots. Some Pittsburgh fans could tell you Colby missed more than half his shots. A lot more, in fact.

Penguins who?

Let's say this about hockey. Nobody had even heard of the Pittsburgh Penguins when the Cleveland Barons were winning nine Calder Cup championships between 1939 and 1964. That's when the NHL had six teams, and the Barons were commonly called the "seventh best hockey team in the world." We say they were the best. Not their fault they weren't allowed to play the Canadiens, Red Wings, etc.

Ohio, 7-1
Pennsylvania's best

Just so Pittsburgh backers know, their city is in Pennsylvania and Cleveland is in Ohio. Despite an 89-year slump, Ohio has had seven men born in the state elected president. Pennsylvania has had one, and if you want to know how the experts rank him, look here.

RoethlisBURGHer
06-17-2009, 07:50 PM
Sour grapes from a jackass Cleveland journalist.

This 'tard fails to mention that Cowher is from Crafton, PA.

He fails to mention that James Harrison was a UDFA, cut by the Steelers and the Ravens....and the Browns never batted an eye at him until after he slammed the Browns fan that ran onto the field a couple years ago.

Jack Lambert was a second round pick. In the 1974 NFL draft the Browns traded their first round pick to the Chargers, and then took a guard in the second round.

Also in that draft, there were five Hall of Fame players selected...and the Steelers selected four (Swann, Lambert, Webster, Stallworth).

So the Steelers knew talent when they saw it, and the Browns didn't. What a surprise there.

As for the baseball argument, yeah the Pirates suck right now. But they have won 5 World Series titles overall to the Indians' two.

Not to mention that this blowhard is digging stuff up back from the 1800's...over two centuries ago, to make his argument.

And then his hockey argument is even weaker, bringing up a defunct Cleveland team that played in the NHL's MINOR LEAGUE.

Oh, and basketball. Yeah, I am a Cavs fan...but for most of their history they have been a joke. They had a nice run in the 1990's and have had an excellent run with LeBron James. But I will be the first to admit that if LBJ leaves (God forbid), the Cavs will revert right back to the NBA laughingstock they were before he arrived.

Hammer Of The GODS
06-17-2009, 08:06 PM
"Former Browns owner Art Modell chose Bill Belichick over Cowher as Cleveland's new coach in 1991. Proving that the Browns' decision-makers have always known what's best, Belichick has coached three Super Bowl championship teams.
"

Lets see here, Art Modell packed his team up and MOVED out of "the mistake by the lake". So that WAS a good decision. It got him a SB ring.

As for the passing over Cowher for Bellicheat........... Well in the eyes of true fans and NOT the slobbering spoon fed media , Cowher won his title legitimately while Bellicheat had to CHEAT to get his AND he didn't do squat in this league until he started CHEATING!

Bill Cowher = "the Chin"

Bill Bellicheck = "the CHEAT"

Steelers = " 6 Time World Champs"

Browns = " Steelers whipping boy"

This guy is a complete tool!

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Dino 6 Rings
06-17-2009, 08:22 PM
Awww....cute Browns fans got their panties in a bunch because they have gone an entire generation without knowing the glory of being a Champion....

Makemelaughs
06-17-2009, 08:30 PM
I sure do love the Steelers

mesaSteeler
06-17-2009, 08:45 PM
It just amazes me how deep we are into their heads.

tony hipchest
06-17-2009, 08:51 PM
..so slim q cumber really got a job with a rival paper?

me thinks clevelandites will welcome him with open arms and give him a key (wire coat hanger) to the shitty.

Preacher
06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
Somehow, someday, somewhere, the Browns will win a game against the Steelers.

On that day, the Browns will crow that all their woes are over and they are now going to be the champions... Of course, that also means we are going to have to listen to them go ON and ON and ON about how those '50's teams were the best ever.

What a shame that their claim to greatness is over 60 years ago, with no connecting legacy.

Meanwhile, the Steelers can claim greatness today, dominance in the AFC in the 90's, and greatness in the 70's.

SteelersMongol
06-17-2009, 09:01 PM
Boo-hoo.

Kaeg
06-17-2009, 09:11 PM
He didn't mention that Belichik won his titles when he got to New England? I don't remember him winning them with the Browns.

KeiselPower99
06-17-2009, 10:22 PM
WAH WAH WAH

mmalone
06-18-2009, 12:57 AM
He didn't mention that Belichik won his titles when he got to New England? I don't remember him winning them with the Browns.

right , so why is everyone giving arians a pass on a 22nd ranked offense. he was a browns OC.. not much of a record ..

maybe these past two years is showing some weakness.... maybe arians is a problem....

just saying this, of course just to get your gander up.......

and yes , i am not a real arians fan. i hate watching a defunct running game.

sorry, just a fan since 1969...

yes i am old.

but love every year win or lose....

i watched our number 1 draft pick rated and posotioned at number 1 in 1970 made fun of until he won the 4 SB's

gotta love it..... were always an underdog.

gotta love that too...

Galax Steeler
06-18-2009, 04:38 AM
WAH WAH WAH

Yea what he said.:chuckle:

srk173
06-18-2009, 07:21 AM
The only thing missing from the whine fest is how Ohio State is like a pro team to Ohio since it is so big and has so many fans.:blah:

StainlessStill
06-18-2009, 08:50 AM
God had a big void in the Earth and at the same time, needed to take a huge dump. Needless to say, he had a nice shit session and the rest was history. As the years gone by, this big pile of shit eventually turned into Cleveland, Ohio.

Thank God for Ohio... and thanks, God, for the 2 game sweep every year!:tt:

The_WARDen
06-18-2009, 09:35 AM
I have nothing against Ohio. Our QB is undefeated in that state.

It's cute when Clowns fans get upset, it's like your little brother trying to hit you while you're holding him at arm's length and he just can't reach you.

:popcorn:

mulldog24
06-18-2009, 11:22 AM
:blah::blah::blah:...........:coffee:

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
06-18-2009, 11:33 AM
Somehow, someday, somewhere, the Browns will win a game against the Steelers.

On that day, the Browns will crow that all their woes are over and they are now going to be the champions... Of course, that also means we are going to have to listen to them go ON and ON and ON about how those '50's teams were the best ever.

What a shame that their claim to greatness is over 60 years ago, with no connecting legacy.

Meanwhile, the Steelers can claim greatness today, dominance in the AFC in the 90's, and greatness in the 70's.

What? We had our team moved, and had start over from scratch. The Steelers have never had to deal with any hardship or any rebuilding from scratch since 1972. It's not our fault blame Moddell. Heck, I don't understand why you guys get bent out of shape about us claiming the greatness of the Browns of the 50's/60's and then are able to put a claim that all football started in '72, which is only like..8 years after the Browns won a title?

Jeez, you guys get upset when someone says the least bit something critical of you guys, you go into a panic and immediately feel the need to defend yourselves.

And if's hilarious to see Cleveland trashed considering that two of your prominent users on the forum reside there. It's not a bad place as you guys like to paint it as, the fans are diehard sports fans that stick with our team through thick and thin and are generally nice people (unless your a yankee/michigan/steeler/red sox fan). Pretty much any insult can be directed back towards Pittsburgh as we're pretty much almost clones of each other (with some minor differences)

That said, why are you getting bent out of shape from an article that was in the Cleveland PD? With the exception of Terry Pluto that newspaper simply isn't very good and hasn't been very good in a long time.

Go Browns, Go Tribe and Go Cavs for now and forever .

SteelCityMan786
06-18-2009, 11:49 AM
Well LA DE FREAKIN DAH! In other news, Pittsburgh leads Philly in Championships 14-10 having won 2 of the last 3 league championships either side can win.

The_WARDen
06-18-2009, 12:04 PM
What? We had our team moved, and had start over from scratch. The Steelers have never had to deal with any hardship or any rebuilding from scratch since 1972. It's not our fault blame Moddell. Heck, I don't understand why you guys get bent out of shape about us claiming the greatness of the Browns of the 50's/60's and then are able to put a claim that all football started in '72, which is only like..8 years after the Browns won a title?

Jeez, you guys get upset when someone says the least bit something critical of you guys, you go into a panic and immediately feel the need to defend yourselves.

And if's hilarious to see Cleveland trashed considering that two of your prominent users on the forum reside there. It's not a bad place as you guys like to paint it as, the fans are diehard sports fans that stick with our team through thick and thin and are generally nice people (unless your a yankee/michigan/steeler/red sox fan). Pretty much any insult can be directed back towards Pittsburgh as we're pretty much almost clones of each other (with some minor differences)

That said, why are you getting bent out of shape from an article that was in the Cleveland PD? With the exception of Terry Pluto that newspaper simply isn't very good and hasn't been very good in a long time.

Go Browns, Go Tribe and Go Cavs for now and forever .

Football began in 1968. That's the year I was born. I could give a crap about anything that didn't happen in my lifetime. Yes, I am selfish in that respect.

In the 40+ years I've been alive, it's 6-0 Steelers. I have enjoyed those championships.

How did you enjoy those championships from the 50's?

revefsreleets
06-18-2009, 12:13 PM
The Browns won their championships when there were 12 teams in the whole league. And they got into the championship game by winning their 6 team conference. Since 1970, we've won 15 division titles, most of those when the Central had FIVE teams. So it wasn't much harder to play for the Championship back then then it was for us to win our division.

Browns = perennial modern era fail

Psyychoward86
06-18-2009, 01:30 PM
Ok, so Cleveland gave us all of these personnel. Thanks Cleveland :wave:

The_WARDen
06-18-2009, 01:35 PM
The Browns won their championships when there were 12 teams in the whole league. And they got into the championship game by winning their 6 team conference. Since 1970, we've won 15 division titles, most of those when the Central had FIVE teams. So it wasn't much harder to play for the Championship back then then it was for us to win our division.

Browns = perennial modern era fail


Don't bring logic into it...I'd hate to see them hurt themselves trying to think.

wezx
06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Living in Akron, OH I hear this crap all the time from Browns fans.

If I'm wearing my Steelers gear Browns fans just can't resist opening their mouths. I never say anything to provoke them they just start running their mouths...I don't believe in making fun of other fans UNLESS they open their pieholes first, so once they start talking trash (should you really be talking trash when you have a record as sorry as the Browns), all bets are off and I just look at them and say "You Browns fans just can't resist opening your pieholes can you?"...then I smile at them and walk away.