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scsteeler
06-18-2009, 06:29 PM
The NFL always states that the best defense in the league over the past 10 years is the Ravens even though the last 2 years the Steelers have been #1. I got these stats and link from NFL.COM.

Ravens' defensive ranks since 1999
Season Total yards Rush yards Pass yards
2008 2nd (261.1) 3rd (81.4) 2nd (179.7)
2007 6th (301.6) 2nd (79.2) 20th (222.3)
2006 1st (264.1) 2nd (75.9) 6th (188.2)
2005 5th (284.3) 9th (99.4) 8th (184.9)
2004 6th (300.2) 8th (105.1) 10th (195.1)
2003 3rd (271.3) 6th (96.0) 4th (175.3)
2002 22nd (334.6) 13th (110.1) 26th (224.4)
2001 2nd (277.9) 4th (88.2) 8th (189.7)
2000 2nd (247.9) 1st (60.6) 8th 187.3)
1999 2nd (263.9) 2nd (76.9) 6th (186.9)

This link is about the Raven Defense
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810db459&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Steeler Defensive Rankings over the past Decade
2008 1. Pittsburgh Steelers 237.2
2007 1. Pittsburgh Steelers 266.4
2006 9. Pittsburgh Steelers 300.3
2005 4. Pittsburgh Steelers 284.0
2004 1. Pittsburgh Steelers 258.4
2003 9 . Pittsburgh Steelers 298.9
2002 7. Pittsburgh Steelers 302.2
2001 1. Pittsburgh Steelers 258.6
2000 7. Pittsburgh Steelers 294.6
1999 11. Pittsburgh Steelers 305.2

I did not include all the stats but I wanted to find out from Steeler Nation do you agree with this assessment. Another thing that stands out to me also is that in Tomlin's first 2 years that defense has been #1. I know a lot will credit this to Dick LeBeau (And it should) but I do think you have to give a lot of credit to Tomlin as the head coach for understanding what he has in Dick LeBeau and allowing him to freely do his job.

slippy
06-18-2009, 06:56 PM
the one stat your forgot is rings.

steelers: 2
ravens: 0

xXTheSteelKingsXx
06-18-2009, 07:32 PM
the one stat your forgot is rings.

steelers: 2
ravens: 0

Ravens have won a ring in the past decade. 2001.

triphahn
06-18-2009, 07:47 PM
I was looking at this earlier too and looked around for a head to head comparisons. Don't quote me cause it was early today but I want to say that the Ravens over the last ten on average did have the Steelers edged out on total yards and points per game. But what got me was the total yards were within 3 per game and points per game were less then 1 in difference. What cannot be argued is the Steelers and Ravens have been the two best defenses in football for a long time.

triphahn
06-18-2009, 08:35 PM
I was looking at this earlier too and looked around for a head to head comparisons. Don't quote me cause it was early today but I want to say that the Ravens over the last ten on average did have the Steelers edged out on total yards and points per game. But what got me was the total yards were within 3 per game and points per game were less then 1 in difference. What cannot be argued is the Steelers and Ravens have been the two best defenses in football for a long time.

Let me correct my own dumb ass. Since 1996-

yards per game-Steelers-283.3
Ravens-295.5

points per game-Steelers-17.5
Ravens-18.3

Psyychoward86
06-18-2009, 09:14 PM
Ravens have won a ring in the past decade. 2001.

steelers: 2

ravens: 1

PeckerWood
06-19-2009, 02:06 AM
The way I look at it is which defense is going to be better the next 10 years.

I say the Steelers

SteelMember
06-19-2009, 07:06 AM
I think the party is over in baltimore. With the departure of rex ryan and some key pieces, I think they will struggle to be at the top of the list this year...and maybe for a few down the road. They pride themselves on being a dominant D, but I just don't think they'll be dominant. :noidea:

The Steelers, on the other hand, have kept the key pieces in place, and should be at the top of the league once again. :tt03:

STEELtownHAVOX
06-19-2009, 07:18 AM
Well i just took the average of total yards (ranking portion: 1st, 2nd, etc.) and divided by how many seasons (10 altogether). Ironically, the ravens and steelers both came out to an identical rank of 5.1 over the 10 year period.

stlrtruck
06-19-2009, 07:31 AM
Stats never tell the entire story and they are used by those who want to prove a point after they've lost on the field.

It's different as a Steelers fan when you boast the #1 Defense and the #1 Team!

St33lersguy
06-19-2009, 07:44 AM
steelers: 2

ravens: 1

Let's not forget
2001 divisional playoffs Steelers (led by Kordell Stewart) 27 Ravens 10
2008 AFC Championship Steelers 23 Ravens 14

Before NFLN just claims something they need to look at stats

SteelRNation
06-19-2009, 09:02 AM
Who cares? As long as the rings keep coming in, I wont give a shit if we are ranked 32nd in defense. Look at the Patriots, the have had our number in the playoffs all decade. Is there any comfort knowing that our defense has been better than theirs? Its like when people try to tell me that Big Ben isnt a great QB. I laugh and shrug and tell them I couldnt careless if your dog throws better...the man is winning rings for the Steeler organization. As long as he's doing that, I dont care if he throws sideways and hits his offensive line in the back of the head half the time. I mean, look at the Ravens...they won that Super Bowl in 2001 with Trent Dilfer. Do you think Colts fans felt good that their QB Manning was better than Dilfer while the Ravens were celebrating the championship? Terry Bradshaw was nowhere near the best QB in the 70's but to me he was because he brought home 4 rings. And thats all anyone can ask.

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 10:24 AM
I think the Ravens defense gets so much extra credit and hype because their offense has been so pathetic for so long that their defense has had to bail them out and win them games or keep them in games year after year. So all the "big plays" were being made on that side of the ball for the last 6 years or so while the offense stank it up.

Whereas the Steelers have had big play makers on both sides of the ball.

CanadianSteel
06-19-2009, 10:26 AM
Thing that jumps out at me from that 10 year list is # of times had the #1 defence.

Steelers 4 times ( pretty impressive)
Ravens once

revefsreleets
06-19-2009, 10:35 AM
I think the Ravens defense gets so much extra credit and hype because their offense has been so pathetic for so long that their defense has had to bail them out and win them games or keep them in games year after year. So all the "big plays" were being made on that side of the ball for the last 6 years or so while the offense stank it up.

Whereas the Steelers have had big play makers on both sides of the ball.

That's a great point...it's all part of the "hype factor", too, and it's made worse by things like MNF and SNF where they need to run puff pieces and human interest stories centered on the defense, which is the only reason the Rats have won enough games to be featured in big games like that in the first place.

Think of any teaser you've seen featuring a Monday Night game the Rats have been in, and it will say something like "Worlds collide when the high powered offense of the Cincinnati Bengals and Chad Johnson meet up with the crushing defense of the Ravens and Ray Lewis" or some garbage like that...

Of course the game is a lump of shit featuring two of the least popular franchises in the NFL, so they HAVE to say something to try and lure viewers in.

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 11:43 AM
Not to mention their HC was fired because of the Meltdown against the Patriots 2 seasons ago that occurred on the Defensive Side of the ball. had that been an Offensive Time Out or something like that, I wonder if Billuck (spelling whatever) wouldn't still be their Head Coach.

But no, he upset Ray Ray so he was gone.

scsteeler
06-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Not to mention their HC was fired because of the Meltdown against the Patriots 2 seasons ago that occurred on the Defensive Side of the ball. had that been an Offensive Time Out or something like that, I wonder if Billuck (spelling whatever) wouldn't still be their Head Coach.

But no, he upset Ray Ray so he was gone.


You are so right Ray Ray had a lot to do with Brian B. getting the axe. I think Ray Lewis has his worse year with Scott going to the Jets.

Well I would love to see the Steeler's have the #1 defense for the 3rd year in a row.

SteelCityMan786
06-19-2009, 04:12 PM
Let's not forget
2001 divisional playoffs Steelers (led by Kordell Stewart) 27 Ravens 10
2008 AFC Championship Steelers 23 Ravens 14

Before NFLN just claims something they need to look at stats

That's what a lot of people do in today's media. It would be nice to have more look at the stats.

MDSteel15
06-19-2009, 10:42 PM
How about the fact that in the last 10 years our defense has ranked higher than B-mores 6 out of 10 times! Isn't that enough? And we have never been out of the top 20...... :popcorn:

Galax Steeler
06-20-2009, 04:59 AM
There is no doubt we are the best defense. we will let everyone else fight it out for the 2nd on back.:chuckle:

CantStop85
06-20-2009, 06:24 AM
If it weren't for 2002 when they just sucked, I might give it to Baltimore, but the stats being what they are I think you have to go with Pittsburgh.

Stover4Prez
06-22-2009, 06:58 AM
The Ravens defense is a pretty impressive unit. As many of you have said, you cannot rely simply on the stats to make one on one comparisons and because of that I say you have to look at what they did AND how many minutes they were on the field. Don't get me wrong, Pittsburgh has had an amazing defensive squad as well the past 10 years, but with a good offense, they get some good breaks to rest during the game. The Ravens have had years where the O was so bad the D was the only one scoring. If we didn't get a pick 6 or have the defense or special teams get the ball within the range of Stover's leg, we didn't score! And when the D is that great after going back on the field with only a 3 and out rest or worse, I think that is pretty amazing. The defense has been the glue that has held this franchise together. Hopefully that is changing with Flacco and Rice, but only time will tell.

As for Billick leaving, it was his time. He got stale, unoriginal and couldn't control his team anymore. He lost the faith of his players and had discipline meltdowns. Ray might have had something to do with it, but it was time. The fans were done, the players were done, and so was Billick. He did great things for us, but Harbaugh was the right call.

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 07:18 AM
I give there defense credit for having to out perform their offense year in and year out. I see the shine starting to come off them though. With a few games last year where they allowed long drives at the end of games. Example, Dallas game. Ravens let Tony Romo lead a long drive for a TD late in the game, then the Dallas D has a meltdown and lets a 60+ yard TD run on the first play to go up by 14. Then, Dallas drives again on the Defense, length of the field, scores 7 to make it a 7 point game again, and once more the Dallas D meltdowns and lets up a 70+ yard run for a TD on the first play from scrimmage.

It seems to me that teams tend to get long game winning/tying/late drives on the Ravens than in past years. We'll see what happens this year, but I see them needing the offense to bail them out, and the roles begining to reverse from the past trend.

Crow-Magnon
06-23-2009, 07:20 AM
Unless you're a real stat freak, it doesn't really matter, as the Steelers and the Ravens have been the dominant defenses of the decade. Bar none. One thing that has helped the Steelers D over the past ten years is an offense that controlled the ball much better than Baltimore's offense did. Not to mention scoring more TD's. When you can rest your defense during the game, they will remain dominant for 60 minutes.

This upcoming season will be interesting. Of that I have little doubt.