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Fire Haley
06-19-2009, 02:45 PM
Iran’s Ruling Cleric Warns of Bloodshed if Protests Persist

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/19/world/middleeast/20iran.2-190.jpg

In his first public response to days of protests, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, sternly warned opponents Friday to stay off the streets and denied opposition claims that last week’s disputed election was rigged, praising the ballot as an “epic moment that became a historic moment.”

He said opposition leaders would be “held responsible for chaos” if they did not end the protests. His remarks seemed to deepen the confrontation between Iran’s rulers and supporters of the main opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, who have accused the authorities of rigging the vote.

“The youth are confused. Being away from spirituality has caused confusion. They don’t know what to do,” he said.

He said the June 12 elections had been a “great demonstration of responsibility by our nation” and its 85 percent turnout had shown “the hand of the Lord of ages supporting such a great development. This is a sign of God’s mercy for this nation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/world/middleeast/20iran.html?_r=1&hp

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Be calm, or be shot.

This will not end well.

revefsreleets
06-19-2009, 04:04 PM
A revolution in Iran would be a welcome thing. As long as the CIA stays the eff out of it this time.

Let them do it themselves and we can lend a hand in the aftermath, but STRICTLY in a supporting role, minimal military presence.

Maybe Bush DID know what he was talking about when he suggested Arabs would welcome democracy....

Fire Haley
06-19-2009, 05:12 PM
Iran is NOT an Arab country - they are Persians.

“I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I’m listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It’s worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/before-the-battle.html

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 05:19 PM
But the Mullahs are now using Arabs to crush the Persian Youth Revolutionaries:


Iran: 'Arab militias' attack pro-Mousavi protesters
Tehran, 19 June (AKI) - Supporters of reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi have reportedly claimed that pro-government Arab militias attacked protesters in Tehran following last week's presidential elections. According to witnesses quoted by pan-Arab daily al-Sharq al-Awsat, undercover security agents gave the militias orders in Farsi while one of them translated the phrases in Arabic.

Witnesses claim that only after hearing the orders in Arabic would the militias begin attacking the demonstrators in an attempt to disperse them.

The witnesses claim Arab involvement the murder of at least eight protesters allegedly by pro-government Basij militias.

Unrest has grown in Iran since hardline presidential incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner in last Friday's election - a vote the opposition claims was rigged.

According to official Iranian media, Ahmadinejad received 62.3 percent of the vote, or 24.5 million votes, compared to Mousavi's 33.7 percent or 13.2 million votes.

Tens of thousands of people were reported to have taken to the streets of the Iranian capital Tehran following the election results.

Figures on the number of people killed in the unrest are impossible to verify as the Iranian government has imposed a ban on foreign media coverage.

However, rights group Iran Human Rights quoting 'reliable sources in Tehran' as saying earlier this week that least 32 people had died in clashes with security forces since the opposition protests began last Saturday.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3443388995

and don't forget the Palestinian Hamas enforcers helping the Mullahs....

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245184848467&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

Looks to me like an entire generation of Persians being ruled by an Arab minority.

Fire Haley
06-19-2009, 05:30 PM
Yeah - they're rolling in the Revolutionary Guard now, their regular military are mostly conscripts, mandatory service, just like Israel.

It's going to be a bloodbath

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201157122bbf0970b-320wi

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201157129c22c970b-500wi

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201157129c520970b-500wi

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20115702b8e10970c-500wi



http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/livetweeting-the-revolution.html

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Yeah - they're rolling in the Revolutionary Guard now, their regular military are mostly conscripts, mandatory service, just like Israel.

It's going to be a bloodbath

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201157122bbf0970b-320wi

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/livetweeting-the-revolution.html

Tienanman square all over again, and we'll just sit by and do nothing.

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 05:47 PM
Here's another Great Site for pics out of Iran of the real Revolution that is going on. This is the exact same type of thing that happened in the old Soviet block countries. The Youth of the Country are shaking off their bonds.

http://www.payvand.com/news/09/jun/1191.html

Fire Haley
06-19-2009, 05:51 PM
Well - it's not likely we'll be sending them air drops with guns and grenades.


Here ya go...


House Votes on Resolution to Support Iranian Students

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) expresses its support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law;

(2) condemns the ongoing violence against demonstrators by the Government of Iran and pro-government militias, as well as the ongoing government suppression of independent electronic communication through interference with the Internet and cellphones; and

(3) affirms the universality of individual rights and the importance of democratic and fair elections.

The House just voted to pass it by an overwhelming margin 405 to 1.

Ron Paul was the lone "no" vote

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Well - it's not likely we'll be sending them air drops with guns and grenades.


Here ya go...


House Votes on Resolution to Support Iranian Students

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) expresses its support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law;

(2) condemns the ongoing violence against demonstrators by the Government of Iran and pro-government militias, as well as the ongoing government suppression of independent electronic communication through interference with the Internet and cellphones; and

(3) affirms the universality of individual rights and the importance of democratic and fair elections.

The House just voted to pass it by an overwhelming margin 405 to 1.

Ron Paul was the lone "no" vote


And that would be the reason Ron Paul will never be President. The guy is such an isolationalist its scary.

Anyway, we as the Strongest and Truest Demacracy in the History of Man Kind does need to show we are as a Nation behind all those that wish to have Freedom as well.

NJarhead
06-19-2009, 06:02 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201157129c520970b-500wi



Wow. She's hot!

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 06:05 PM
Persian Women are very pretty. You can really see the Greek influence in her face too from back in the day of the Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire.

NJarhead
06-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Persian Women are very pretty. You can really see the Greek influence in her face too from back in the day of the Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire.

I've noticed that lately. She's exotically beautiful. I work with a couple Syrian girls and they're both beautiful too. But, they're both Jersey girls now and have that %^&* attitude. :chuckle:

Fire Haley
06-19-2009, 06:11 PM
Obama is too busy licking the crumbly shit outta Chavez's ass to care.

Dino 6 Rings
06-19-2009, 07:31 PM
I've noticed that lately. She's exotically beautiful. I work with a couple Syrian girls and they're both beautiful too. But, they're both Jersey girls now and have that %^&* attitude. :chuckle:

Yeck Jersey Girls. I've got sisters, that are still living in NJ, and my mother, total Jersey Girls...married me a southern girl, thank you very much.

NJarhead
06-20-2009, 02:35 PM
Yeck Jersey Girls. I've got sisters, that are still living in NJ, and my mother, total Jersey Girls...married me a southern girl, thank you very much.

I married a Portugese Chick. :chuckle:

Let me know when you're in the area.

Fire Haley
06-20-2009, 03:22 PM
It's a bloodbath.

Warning!

Don't open if you don't want to view extreme violence and death!


Live blogging from Tehran.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

NJarhead
06-20-2009, 03:40 PM
It's a bloodbath.

Warning!

Don't open if you don't want to view extreme violence and death!


Live blogging from Tehran.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/


Jesus Christ! Those murdering bastards!
"Election not rigged" my ass!

:mad:

I'm speechless otherwise.

Preacher
06-20-2009, 03:51 PM
Sorry Revs.

IMO, you are dead wrong here.

Now is the time to send in some SEALS and Green Berets to swing the balance. If nothing else, send them in with bags and bags and bags of Sat Phones to spread throughout the country.

find the leaders of hte underground movements and protect them. Create an underground communications network that cannot be snuffed out.

If power tips in Iran, the swamp has gone a LONG way in being drained.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
06-20-2009, 04:50 PM
It's a bloodbath.

Warning!

Don't open if you don't want to view extreme violence and death!


Live blogging from Tehran.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

If it was none of our business to go into Iraq, then it is none of our business to intervene here. Liberals don't want us to help anyone who is being oppressed unless it is Tibet or Africa.

JEFF4i
06-20-2009, 05:22 PM
Liberals don't want us to help anyone who is being oppressed unless it is Tibet or Africa.

Can we please refrain from attempting to make this partisan?

I'm torn. I mean, I think Ahmenjidouche probably did win but we see millions of people being oppressed, and it is hard, in good conscience to stand by.

The aggressive action by the ruling party, all of their actions, are so awful that it is hard to just...watch. On the other hand, I'm not certain that we should do anything.

:(

Dino 6 Rings
06-20-2009, 09:33 PM
The people are rising. Some of the police men, are actually backing off, its the Guard, in all Black, the controlling Arabs that are suppressing the people with violence...60% of the population in Iran is under 30 years old, the young are over throwing the oppressive elders. The generation of children who's parents revolted in 1979, are now rising up to reclaim their nation for Persia.

Dino 6 Rings
06-20-2009, 09:47 PM
word out of Iran is that the people are chanting death to the Ayatollah at night from the rooftops...this could be going the way Italy did for Musellini...could end up with the Ayattolah hanging from a rope in the capital.

Dino 6 Rings
06-20-2009, 09:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/iran?blend=1&ob=4#all/favorites-all/0/tPoO3gtHx-o

Dino 6 Rings
06-20-2009, 09:56 PM
40% of the protesters in Iran are reported to be women. tired of being opressed I guess.

JEFF4i
06-20-2009, 10:39 PM
Wow...I just hope we're watching history here...

Fire Haley
06-21-2009, 12:17 AM
These aren't "clashes" like the headlines say. These are attacks by armed thugs against unarmed demonstrators.
Unless a sizable portion of the security forces turn and join the people in the street, this will be crushed

In the end, the government has the guns and the unarmed people will not win.

Let this be a lesson to you.


"Ayatollah Warns Iranians: "I am Following You All on Twitter"


I wonder if His Highness Lord Obama is taking notes.

Fire Haley
06-21-2009, 12:33 AM
Hamas, Hizbullah join Iran's paramilitary forces in post-vote crackdown

NICOSIA — Iran opposition sources said Hamas and Hizbullah have come to the aide of government forces in wake of the presidential elections.

Iranian opposition sources said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and its Basij paramilitary force have used Hizbullah and Hamas personnel to assault anti-government protesters in wake of the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_iran0486_06_19.asp

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Isn't Obama funding Hamas in Gaza?

JEFF4i
06-21-2009, 12:48 AM
Oh...well...this is going to get really, really ugly.

Preacher
06-21-2009, 02:49 AM
Hamas, Hizbullah join Iran's paramilitary forces in post-vote crackdown

NICOSIA — Iran opposition sources said Hamas and Hizbullah have come to the aide of government forces in wake of the presidential elections.

Iranian opposition sources said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and its Basij paramilitary force have used Hizbullah and Hamas personnel to assault anti-government protesters in wake of the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_iran0486_06_19.asp



I am sorry. But this is the clearest link between Iran and Terrorism. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for us NOT to get involved now. The two LEADING terrorist organizations outside of Al-Quaida (sp) have come to the help of Iran... and we sit by and do nothing?

I SO hope Obama is playing passive so as to not undermine current military/subversive CIA missions in Iran right now.

Learn from the mistakes of Bush 41. We could have had Iraq cleared and freed of Saddam when the people rebelled. But instead we sat back and did nothing. Now, we are paying the price for it. Here is our chance in Iran.

JEFF4i
06-21-2009, 11:14 AM
I tend to agree with Preacher.

This isn't an invasion-scale effort. This is something for the special operations to support and reinforce the rebels, let them take their own initiative, but let their punch come with our fist behind it.

AllD
06-21-2009, 12:40 PM
Too bad they lost an entire generation in the 1980s and 90s. Guess the Middle Eastern form of democracy is spreading out from Iraq.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Those Ayatollas turned into tyrants just as the Shah was. They do not have much more time in power. The only way they preserve their power is to murder their population. Then they will implode anyway. It is the counter-culture causing a revolution. I can see John Lennon doing a benefit concert if he were still alive.

Preacher
06-21-2009, 12:54 PM
I tend to agree with Preacher.

This isn't an invasion-scale effort. This is something for the special operations to support and reinforce the rebels, let them take their own initiative, but let their punch come with our fist behind it.

Too bad they lost an entire generation in the 1980s and 90s. Guess the Middle Eastern form of democracy is spreading out from Iraq.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Those Ayatollas turned into tyrants just as the Shah was. They do not have much more time in power. The only way they preserve their power is to murder their population. Then they will implode anyway. It is the counter-culture causing a revolution. I can see John Lennon doing a benefit concert if he were still alive.

Exactly and exactly.

Don't mean to be playing political partisan here, but I think this is eXACTLY what Bush meant when he talked about draining the swamp and spreading freedom. Once some people see it take root, it will grow like wildfire. The human desire for freedom of conscience and action derived of that conscience cannot be denied without consequence.

revefsreleets
06-22-2009, 09:23 AM
The key is, though, not tossing our hat into the ring too early. This HAS to be a "People's Revolution", and not even have a trace of CIA or any US backing. Let them do the initial heavy lifting, they take the credit, then we come is a support. That way the message WE send is clear: We'll support you if, as a country, you want change, but we will NOT be the catalyst for that change. The people have to take those first steps on their own.

Fire Haley
06-22-2009, 12:15 PM
And now - back to reality.

Obama votes "Present" on Iran.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090621/capt.000f6ec6b11046c9a69451a1aaab47f0.obama_vasa10 1.jpg?x=329&y=345&q=85&sig=oMcztceynEzBT9BlGutsog--

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 12:16 PM
Don't be surprised if Israel isn't helping the protesters with secret ops.

Fire Haley
06-22-2009, 01:01 PM
Don't be surprised if Obama is taking orders from Chavez.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/Pb43905/PoliticalPhotos/Obama-Chavez-captphoto_124001797771.jpg


Chavez urges 'respect' for Iran election outcome

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says that the world must respect Iran and the "triumph" of its incumbent president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the election

"Ahmadinejad's triumph was a triumph all the way. They are trying to stain Ahmadinejad's triumph and through that weaken the government and the Islamic revolution. I know they will not succeed," Chavez said.

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=98720&sectionid=351020704

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 01:22 PM
So if Chavez is for the "current regime" in Iran...then that means...I as an American support the Protestors!!!

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 01:31 PM
http://iran.whyweprotest.net/

Basij shooting at people, video
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-272221

Amazing how many women are involved in this uprising.
http://www.life.com/image/ugc1002722/in-gallery/28782/eyewitness-from-tehrans-streets

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 01:34 PM
Nada (slain teenager girl) becomes a Rally Cry for the Protestors. She's a Real Martyr now.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/21/iran.woman.twitter/index.html

Fire Haley
06-22-2009, 02:01 PM
I can tell you how this will turn out.

Obama is waiting for a resolution of the crisis, and then he'll side with the winner.

MACH1
06-22-2009, 02:04 PM
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Amazing how many women are involved in this uprising.



The other guy said he was for giving women cabinet positions, That's one reason why.

Dino 6 Rings
06-22-2009, 04:40 PM
Still going crazy over there. Apparently there was a huge protest in france too with 90 thousand showing up to support the Iranian people...check this one out...Regime Change?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

AllD
06-22-2009, 06:03 PM
The Supreme Ayatollah better put on some Groucho Marx glasses and get out of dodge.

Fire Haley
06-22-2009, 10:21 PM
How embarrassing.

Even Canada has the guts to speak up...


Statement by the Prime Minister of Canada
22 June 2009

Ottawa, Ontario


Prime Minister Stephen Harper made the following statement today on the situation in Iran:

“The reaction of the Iranian authorities to the demonstrations in Iran is wholly unacceptable. The regime has chosen to use brute force and intimidation in responding to peaceful opposition regarding legitimate and serious allegations of electoral fraud.

“Basic human rights, including freedom of assembly and freedom of expression, are being ignored. Demonstrations have been banned and demonstrators beaten. Injured protestors have been arrested when they arrive at hospitals for treatment. Journalists have been prevented from covering protests and subjected to arbitrary detention and arrest. Foreign press credentials have been revoked.

“Canada calls on the Iranian authorities to immediately cease the use of violence against their own people, to release all political prisoners and journalists – including Canadians – who have been unjustly detained, to allow Iranian and foreign media to report freely on these historic events, and to conduct a full and transparent investigation into allegations of fraud in the presidential election. The voices of all Iranians must be heard. I have directed the Minister of Foreign Affairs to ensure that Canada’s views are conveyed to Iran’s top representative in Canada.”

“Canada continues to be a strong and consistent voice calling on the Iranian regime to fulfill all of its human rights obligations, both in law and in practice. For six consecutive years, Canada has led a resolution on the human rights situation in Iran at the United Nations General Assembly. Canada continues to support freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law in Iran and around the world.”

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?category=3&id=2647

devilsdancefloor
06-22-2009, 10:31 PM
honestly (fingers crossed) i believe we are there pushing some buttons you'd almost be nieve to think other wise. i have always thought the reason why we are in iraq & afghanistan is to do a squeeze play on iran. Look at troop movements into Afghanistan i really think something is up & this might be our only chance.

JEFF4i
06-23-2009, 12:02 AM
Hmmmm...would the other nations speaking out about this have their own initiative to actually stop this? I mean, it wouldn't hurt for the U.S. not to always have to foot the bill.

tony hipchest
06-23-2009, 12:12 AM
How embarrassing.

Even Canada has the guts to speak up...




:chuckle: lets see if they got the cojones to step up and try to rid the world of oppression. if they got the gusto to wage war against iran, i am sure the US will send a few thousand troops in support of their effort.

isnt them barking kinda like the lil anklebiter who hops over the giant bulldogs back in "looney tunes" or Spike's son in the old Tom n Jerry cartoons, yipping and yapping loudly?

"thats my boy"

imo canada just needs to shut up and worry about protecting its boarders and not allowing potential terrorists to cross ours (which happens to be the largest unprotected boarder in the world).

canadas "guts" (i.e. cojones) are found "south of the boarder" right?

Fire Haley
06-23-2009, 01:44 AM
I suppose it's better Obama sit this one out, foreign policy is way above the paygrade of a junior community organizer.

MACH1
06-23-2009, 01:50 AM
I suppose it's better Obama sit this one out, foreign policy is way above the paygrade of a junior community organizer.

I hear he serves up a mean cup of tea though.

Preacher
06-23-2009, 03:46 AM
Don't be surprised if Israel isn't helping the protesters with secret ops.

BINGO.

Don't forget, despite the last 40 years, Israel and PERSIA have a history that goes back 2500 years. Supposedly, Mossad helped train the Shah's intelligence network as well. It was Israel, I beleive, that facilitated the Arms for Hostages trade in the 80's.

Fire Haley
06-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Oh stop.
Now you're blaming the Joooooooooooos?

Nope - we are a laughingstock.


U.S. says Iranian diplomats still invited to 4th of July parties

Washington, 23 June (WashingtonTV)—The United States said on Monday that its invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend 4 July celebrations were still standing, despite the continued crackdown on demonstrators in Iran.

The State Department said earlier this month that it had authorized its embassies and consulates around the world to invite Iranian officials to the US Independence Day celebrations on or around 4 July. The two countries have not had relations for nearly 30 years.

Asked if it was still appropriate to have Iranians come to those celebrations, State Department spokesperson, Ian Kelly, told reporters: “There’s no thought to rescinding the invitations to Iranian diplomats.”

“We have made a strategic decision to engage on a number of fronts with Iran, and we tried many years of isolation and we’re pursuing a different path now,” Kelly added.

http://televisionwashington.com/floater_article1.aspx?lang=en&t=3&id=11513

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Should be a helluva party.

http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/?feature=4628cf75e16afce3a10ba282cd334192

fansince'76
06-23-2009, 12:02 PM
Gotta love the appeasement. :coffee:

Newsflash: Crackpot regimes don't respond to appeasement - North Korea being a case in point.

Fire Haley
06-23-2009, 12:29 PM
Do you approve of the way President Barack Obama has handled the Iranian crisis?

Response Percent Votes

Yes - 40% 5440 votes
No - 56% 7636 votes

Undecided 3% 415 votes
Other 0% 31 votes

13526 total votes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2009/jun/do-you-approve-way-president-barack-obama-has-hand/results/?cpage=1

Interesting

Fire Haley
06-23-2009, 01:08 PM
The polls worked!

Obama attacks Iran!

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Tuesday declared the United States and the entire world "appalled and outraged" by Iran's violent efforts to crush dissent, a clear toughening of his rhetoric as Republican critics at home pound him for being too passive.

Obama condemned the "threats, beatings and imprisonments of the last few days. "

"I strongly condemn these unjust actions," Obama said in a news conference at the White House.

In Tehran, chaotic images of riot police beating and shooting protesters have seized the world's attention and heightened pressure on Obama to act — or at least speak out more strongly.

At least 17 people have been killed in protests since the election last week.

Protesters in Iran have demanded that the government there cancel and rerun the elections that ended with a declaration of overwhelming victory for hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Reformist presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi says he won and has claimed widespread fraud.

"I have made it clear that the United States respects the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and is not interfering in Iran's affairs," Obama said. "But we must also bear witness to the courage and dignity of the Iranian people, and to a remarkable opening within Iranian society. And we deplore violence against innocent civilians anywhere that it takes place."

Obama noted the killing of a young woman, Neda Agha Soltan, whose apparent shooting death was captured on video and circulated worldwide.

"We have seen courageous women stand up to brutality and threats, and we have experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets," Obama said. "While this loss is raw and painful, we also know this: Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history."

Dino 6 Rings
06-23-2009, 01:23 PM
The polls worked!

"We have seen courageous women stand up to brutality and threats, and we have experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets," Obama said. "While this loss is raw and painful, we also know this: Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history."

Hey Barry, her name is Neda and it means "Voice" in Farsi.

Her Voice will not be silenced.

by the way, tomorrow is the National Strike in Iran being called for by the guy who lost the election, so today is very quiet.

Fire Haley
06-23-2009, 02:21 PM
He knows he can kiss up to Iran later - right now American public opinion is more important.

I'll give him credit for speaking out - waiting to see how Iran responds.

revefsreleets
06-24-2009, 09:06 AM
Barry was a little testy yesterday, saying "Only I am the President of the United States" and denying that his speaking out was a response to the GOP calling out his silence.

Fire Haley
06-24-2009, 11:50 AM
Another day another...

Massacre In Baharestan Square?

"I was going towards Baharestan with my friend. This was everyone, not just supporters of one candidate or another. All of my friends, they were going to Baharestan to express our opposition to these killings and demanding freedom. The black-clad police stopped everyone. They emptied the buses that were taking people there and let the private cars go on. We went on until Ferdowsi then all of a sudden some 500 people with clubs came out of [undecipherable] mosque and they started beating everyone. They tried to beat everyone on [undecipherable] bridge and throwing them off of the bridge. And everyone also on the sidewalks. They beat a woman so savagely that she was drenched in blood and her husband, he fainted. They were beating people like hell. It was a massacre. They were trying to beat people so they would die. they were cursing and saying very bad words to everyone. This was exactly a massacre... I don't know how to describe it."

they were waiting for us - they all have guns and riot uniforms - it was like a mouse trap - ppl being shot like animals

Army Helycopters flying over Enghelab Sq. Army Vans moving toward Azadi St with heavy Machine Guns.

About 5,000 Protesters gatherd at Sadeghieh Sq, Bassij and Hezbollah attcking them.

I see many ppl with broken arms/legs

they pull away the dead into trucks - like factory - no human can do this - we beg Allah for save us -


Lalezar Sq is same as Baharestan - unbelevable - ppls murdered everywhere


they catch ppl with mobile - so many killed today - so many injured - Allah Akbar - they take one of us


in Baharestan we saw militia with axe choping ppl like meat - blood everywhere - like butcher - Allah Akbar


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

Fire Haley
06-24-2009, 12:04 PM
Mullahs respond


Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declared on Wednesday that a disputed election result would stand, despite street protests that Iranian officials say Britain and the United States have incited.

"I had insisted and will insist on implementing the law on the election issue," Khamenei said. "Neither the establishment nor the nation will yield to pressure at any cost."

Now that police and religious militia have regained apparent control of the streets after the biggest anti-government protests since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran's hardline leadership is blaming the discontent on foreign powers.

"Britain, America and the Zionist regime (Israel) were behind the recent unrest in Tehran," Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli said, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090624/tpl-uk-iran-election-02bfc7e.html


Killing more women is one way to keep them from wearing those evil western style clothes.

Fire Haley
06-24-2009, 01:10 PM
Gotta love the appeasement..


So much for Obama's foreign policy of laying low and not getting involved so the mullahs wouldn't have us to blame.

Guess what? They're lying and blaming us anyhow as the murders continue.

I guess they can all talk about it at the 4th of July BBQ.


Behold the glory of Islam

revefsreleets
06-24-2009, 01:28 PM
The religion of peace®

Fire Haley
06-24-2009, 02:11 PM
Protesters beaten and shot as 10,000 police launch brutal crackdown in Iran

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/24/article-1195250-057770F9000005DC-404_468x309.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/24/article-1195250-057770E4000005DC-604_233x379.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1195250/Protesters-beaten-shot-10-000-police-launch-brutal-crackdown-Iran.html


Stormtroopers?
Hamas and Hezbollah thugs, most likely. No wonder Persians hate Arabs.

China's Tiananmen Square looks kinda tame compared to this. Axes instead of tanks makes things more personal though.

Dino 6 Rings
06-24-2009, 02:15 PM
More news...

Iran condemns UN chief for 'meddling'

Iran lashed out at UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday over remarks the foreign ministry said smacked of "meddling" in its affairs, the state broadcaster reported.


Indigo Red: "A gruesome observation: The sniper victims are being shot in the high upper torso just below the neck so as to increase visible bloodflow. The trachea and esophagus are smashed, the vein and artery burst causing maximal blood flow from the nose and mouth. Death is not immediate and is more akin to drowning as blood is inhaled into the lungs. These sniper shots are meant to be as gruesome, frightening, and graphic as possible; it is intimidation and emotional torture, as well as cold blooded murder".

1:33 pm: The Guardian has this account from a medical student inside Iran.

I only want to speak about what I have witnessed. I am a medical student. There was chaos at the trauma section in one of our main hospitals. Although by decree, all riot-related injuries were supposed to be sent to military hospitals, all other hospitals were filled to the rim. Last night, nine people died at our hospital and another 28 had gunshot wounds. All hospital employees were crying till dawn. They (government) removed the dead bodies on back of trucks, before we were even able to get their names or other information. What can you even say to the people who don't even respect the dead. No one was allowed to speak to the wounded or get any information from them. This morning the faculty and the students protested by gathering at the lobby of the hospital where they were confronted by plain cloths anti-riot militia, who in turn closed off the hospital and imprisoned the staff.

The extent of injuries are so grave, that despite being one of the most staffed emergency rooms, they've asked everyone to stay and help--I'm sure it will even be worst tonight. What can anyone say in face of all these atrocities? What can you say to the family of the 13 year-old boy who died from gunshots and whose dead body then disappeared? This issue is not about cheating (election) anymore. This is not about stealing votes anymore. The issue is about a vast injustice inflected on the people. They've put a baton in the hand of every 13-14 year old to smash the faces of "the bunches who are less than dirt" (government is calling the people who are uprising dried-up torn and weeds). This is what sickens me from dealing with these issues. And from those who shut their eyes and close their ears and claim the riots are in opposition of the government and presidency!! No! The people's complaint is against the egregious injustices committed against the people.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

Dino 6 Rings
06-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Lalezar Sq is same as Baharestan - unbelievable - ppls murdered everywhere


CALL HILARY CLINTON (202)647-529 plans to execute over 450 protesters arrested. This is murder!

We are being murdered like mice in a lion's den!!! BUT WE STILL FIGHT!!! The world just watches

The Guardian -has an interview with one of the riot police:

Newspaper Roozonline has an interview (in Persian) with one of the young plainclothes militiamen who have been beating protesters.

UPDATE: Robert says the man is paid 2m rial per day, which would be about £1220 for ten days of work. A hefty fee, even by UK standards. A reader writes: "You can imagine what that kind of money means to a villager from Khorasan".

The Guardian's Robert Tait sends this synopsis:

The man, who has come from a small town in the eastern province of Khorasan and has never been in Tehran before, says he is being paid 2m rial (£122) to assault protestors with a heavy wooden stave. He says the money is the main incentive as it will enable him to get married and may even enable him to afford more than one wife. Leadership of the volunteers has been provided by a man known only as "Hajji", who has instructed his men to "beat the counter-revolutionaries so hard that they won't be able to stand up". The volunteers, most of them from far-flung provinces such as Khuzestan, Arak and Mazandaran, are being kept in hostel accommodation, reportedly in east Tehran. Other volunteers, he says, have been brought from Lebanon, where the Iranian regime has strong allies in the Hezbollah movement. They are said to be more highly-paid than their Iranian counterparts and are put up in hotels. The last piece of information seems to confirm the suspicion of many Iranians that foreign security personnel are being used to suppress the demonstrators. For all his talk of the legal process, this interview provides a key insight into where Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, believes the true source of his legitimacy rests.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

steelwall
06-24-2009, 09:27 PM
You all know I am a true patriot, and a veteran. I will have to take the side of not getting involved...think about it...if we do more fuel for the flames. IMO...let them handle it. Our country has seen it's share of domestic bloodshed and no country every intervened....

Is this not a job for NATO...????? LOL

tony hipchest
06-24-2009, 11:08 PM
Hey Barry, her name is Neda and it means "Voice" in Farsi.

Her Voice will not be silenced.
.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/alg_neda.jpg

strange to think, had this lady been born in london, paris, or NYC she could be a millionaire model as opposed to an object of oppression. instead this philosophy student simply wanted to be a tour guide. she wasnt protesting for either side in particular, just down there to support the concept of freedom.





Indigo Red: "A gruesome observation: The sniper victims are being shot in the high upper torso just below the neck so as to increase visible bloodflow. The trachea and esophagus are smashed, the vein and artery burst causing maximal blood flow from the nose and mouth. Death is not immediate and is more akin to drowning as blood is inhaled into the lungs. These sniper shots are meant to be as gruesome, frightening, and graphic as possible; it is intimidation and emotional torture, as well as cold blooded murder".

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

for anyone who hasnt seen the video of the beautiful lady (pictured above) bleeding out in the street, it is EXACTLY as described by Indigo Red. so sad to see her looking around and at the camera as she dies. when the doctor applies pressure to her wound the blood immediately starts pouring out of her nose and mouth.

i know we are supposed to hate these people and simply call them towel heads or whatever, but who in their right mind could hate her?

usually stuff like this rolls right off my back. all part of the human condition. selena, laci peterson, natalie holiday = just another senseless murder.

this story kinda disturbs me though. it almost disgusts me. actually its more heartbreaking than disgusting.

i hope her, or any of the others havent died in vain.

may freedom reign.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/Untitled-2_1429066c.jpg

steelwall
06-24-2009, 11:20 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/alg_neda.jpg

strange to think, had this lady been born in london, paris, or NYC she could be a millionaire model as opposed to an object of oppression. instead this philosophy student simply wanted to be a tour guide. she wasnt protesting for either side in particular, just down there to support the concept of freedom.




for anyone who hasnt seen the video of the beautiful lady (pictured above) bleeding out in the street, it is EXACTLY as described by Indigo Red. so sad to see her looking around and at the camera as she dies. when the doctor applies pressure to her wound the blood immediately starts pouring out of her nose and mouth.

i know we are supposed to hate these people and simply call them towel heads or whatever, but who in their right mind could hate her?

usually stuff like this rolls right off my back. all part of the human condition. selena, laci peterson, natalie holiday = just another senseless murder.

this story kinda disturbs me though. it almost disgusts me. actually its more heartbreaking than disgusting.

i hope her, or any of the others havent died in vain. may freedom reign.

Toney don't turn this into race...try wipeing your best friends brain of your mouth and spitting out fragments of his skull. ...

It's terrible... what do you suggest we do, invade? Are you becomming a Rebuplican? Obama seems fine with this.... other than breaking away from his passive stance as of late and "condeming" the way the protestors have been treated unfairly....

Actually I am with Obama on this. We do not have to put our soldiers in harms way for this, let the Irianians handle this...fact is no matter who is in charge nothing will change.

Women getting killed is allways a tragedy, how many women have died more horrible deaths for the name of this union?

Iran wants nukes to show Isreal they have the capability to strike them with devestating consequences...Mr. 'No-tie) likes to talk a big game but a nuclear strike on our soil would be the end of that country.

We are the bad guy no matter how we approach it...if we support the green part, we are again meddling in a Islamic country's affairs, if we do nothing we are still the bad guys.

Since france and germany seem to be comming out with tough retoric...let them take the lead on this one.

steelwall
06-24-2009, 11:32 PM
Also who hates Irianian "people" hell millions of them are seeking revolution. As a soldier I dont hat them, but their leading power is decades behind the times. Those are the people who need to be removed from power for Iran to become a more progressive society.

If the people of Iran can do this, why should we tarnish our image by getting ride of the aitolas (spelling?) and "no tie"

The propoganda from al-gazzera whould be on 24-7 ...."America in war with another Muslim country"... doubt that would go over well.

tony hipchest
06-24-2009, 11:34 PM
Toney don't turn this into race...try wipping your best friends brain of your mouth and spitting out fragments of his skull. ...

the only thing i see that needs to be wiped up is the bullshit you just typed.

i did anything BUT turn this into race. i looked at this person as a fellow human as opposed to a race, creed, religion, or political supporter.

she died in the name of freedom and i can only hope she is looked at as a martyr by millions of her fellow people, and inspires them to overthrow her oppressive government.

i feel a little dirty even dignifying you with a response, but when you misrepresent what i said as grossly as you did, you can bet your bottom dollar you will be called on it. :thumbsup:

Fire Haley
06-25-2009, 02:22 PM
ho ho ho


Iran's Ahmadinejad compares Obama to Bush

TEHRAN (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Barack Obama on Thursday of behaving like his predecessor toward Iran and said there was not much point in talking to Washington unless the U.S. president apologized.

Obama said on Tuesday he was "appalled and outraged" by a post-election crackdown and Washington withdrew invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations on July 4 -- stalling efforts to improve ties with Tehran.

"Mr Obama made a mistake to say those things ... our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former president George W.) Bush used to say," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Do you want to speak with this tone? If that is your stance then what is left to talk about ... I hope you avoid interfering in Iran's affairs and express your regret in a way that the Iranian nation is informed of it," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090625/wl_nm/us_iran_election_205

JEFF4i
06-28-2009, 12:25 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529297,00.html

Okay Britian, time to step up. This crap can't go on any longer.

revefsreleets
06-28-2009, 03:31 PM
More strongly worded rebukes to be forthcoming which will change exactly nothing...

MasterOfPuppets
07-05-2009, 04:24 AM
i can't believe it took this long.....:laughing:


Iran leader’s aide: Mousavi is a U.S. agent
Top adviser also accuses opposition leader of 'murdering innocent people'

TEHRAN, Iran - A top aide to Iran's supreme leader called the country's main opposition figure a U.S. agent and accused him in an editorial Saturday of committing crimes against the nation.

While hard-line figures had previously demanded Mir Hossein Mousavi to be prosecuted for describing Iran's June 12 elections fraudulent and leading demonstrations afterward, the editorial was the first public declaration that the opposition leader was a foreign agent.

After quashing the post-election street demonstrations, Iran's leadership has been trying to erase any lingering doubts about the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election by portraying the unrest as sparked by foreign meddling.
"It has to be asked whether the actions of (Mousavi and his supporters) are in response to instructions of American authorities," said Hossein Shariatmadari in an editorial appearing in the conservative daily Kayhan.

'America's fifth column'
Shariatmadari, who holds no official position but is a close adviser to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, added that Mousavi was trying to "escape punishment for murdering innocent people, holding riots, cooperating with foreigners and acting as America's fifth column inside the country."

He called for Mousavi and former reformist president Mohammad Khatami to be tried in court for "horrible crimes and treason."

The editorial added that there were "undeniable documents" proving Mousavi's foreign links.

On Friday, another powerful hard-line cleric said that Iran would put detained local employees of the British embassy on trial for being involved in the demonstrations, in another apparent effort to prove foreign elements were behind the unrest.

The announcement fueled calls in Europe for tougher action against Tehran. Britain is pressing for members of the European Union to pull their ambassadors out of Tehran to protest the staffers' arrests last week.

1,000 arrests
Police say 20 "rioters" were killed during the violence as well as eight members of the paramilitary Basij militia tasked with putting down the protests. More than a thousand people have been arrested.

There have been no street protests since Sunday, but Mousavi has maintained his opposition to the results, issuing a defiant statement on Wednesday that he considered the government illegitimate and demanded political prisoners be released.

"A majority of the people — including me — do not accept its political legitimacy," Mousavi said. "There's a danger ahead. A ruling system which relied on people's trust for 30 years cannot replace this trust with security forces overnight."

Mousavi has been laying low, however, and made no public appearances after the Basij on Wednesday formally requested that he be investigated for the protests.

Iran's ruling clerics have called the elections "pure" and "healthy" following the supreme leader's declaration that the results would stand.

revefsreleets
07-06-2009, 09:31 AM
Biden said yesterday that Israel can respond however they like to Iran...he said "We cannot tell a sovereign nation how to act".

Expect the Iranian nuke plants to be hit soon...

Dino 6 Rings
07-17-2009, 12:00 PM
STILL Protesting In IRAN:

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Tens of thousands of government opponents packed Iran's main Islamic prayer sermon Friday, chanting "freedom, freedom" and other slogans as their top clerical backer Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani delivered a sermon bluntly criticizing the country's leadership over the crackdown on election protests.
Outside, police and pro-government Basiji militiamen fired tear gas and charges thousands of protesters who chanted "death to the dictator" and called on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to resign. Dozens were arrested, piled in trucks and taken away, witnesses said.

Plainclothes Basijis stood in front of a line of riot police and pumped canisters of tear gas, which young protesters with green bandanas over their faces kicked away across the pavement, away from the crowds. Some set a bonfire in the street and waved their hands in the air in victory signs.

The opposition aimed to turn the Friday prayers at Tehran University into a show of their continued strength despite heavy government suppression since the disputed June 12 presidential election.

Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims to have won the election, sat in the front row of worshippers, attending for the first time since the turmoil began. Many of the tens of thousands at the prayers wore headbands or wristbands in his campaign color green, or had green prayer rugs.

In his sermon broadcast live on radio nationwide, Rafsanjani reprimanded the clerical leadership for not listening to people's complaints over the election, which was declared a victory for Ahmadinejad despite opposition claims of fraud.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99G97R00&show_article=1

millwalldavey
07-18-2009, 01:20 AM
Funny how our airwaves are still saturated wth Michael Jackson when innocent people are going to be slaughtered.

Do people here realize that a struggle such as this makes these people our brothers? After all, we sorta came from the same place here in the US.

(As for Israel, if they nuke Iran, I hope someone nukes them back.)