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SteelCityMan786
06-24-2009, 01:40 PM
They might also loser their team to.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090624/METRO/906240356/Future-of-The-Joe-uncertain-as-Red-Wings-consider-move
Future of The Joe uncertain as Red Wings consider move
Owners face Tuesday deadline to extend lease or leave arena
David Josar / The Detroit News

Detroit --The playoffs are over, but the Red Wings could be girding for another battle, as owners have until Tuesday to inform the city whether they'll leave Joe Louis Arena or extend by 20 years a lease that's helped make the team one of the richest in the league.

Negotiations between top city officials, led by representatives of the quasi-government Detroit Economic Growth Corp. and Olympia Entertainment have been in ongoing for several years, but neither the city nor the Ilitch family that owns the team will divulge details.

The Red Wings enjoy what is considered the best lease arrangement of any NHL team at Joe Louis. Olympia Entertainment leases the hockey arena, Cobo Arena and an adjacent parking structure for $475,000 a year, while the city tosses in free police protection, landscaping and snow removal.

The Pittsburgh Penguins, by comparison, will make an annual payment of $4.2 million when they move to the state-of-the-art Consol Energy Center next year.

Karen Cullen, the spokeswoman for Ilitch Holdings Inc., the central business entity of Mike and Marian Ilitch's empire that includes the hockey team, the Detroit Tigers and Little Caesars Pizza, wrote in a statement that "our organization is continuing to study all options, including the remodel of (Joe Louis Arena) and the construction of a new arena."

George Jackson, the city's group executive for economic development, declined to discuss the situation. A spokeswoman for the mayor, Meagan Pitts, said the parties are still negotiating and a statement "hopefully" will come soon.

The lease -- inked in 1978 when former owner Bruce Norris threatened to move to the suburbs -- has been criticized by several council members for being too generous to owners. Mike Ilitch bought the team four years later for $8 million.

"We should be helping good corporate citizens, not someone who is just interested in how much money they make," Councilwoman JoAnn Watson has said about the agreement.

One hint the Ilitch family may consider a new facility came from Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano, who confirmed the county, which had a hand in putting together deals to build Ford Field and Comerica Park, has been approached about financing assistance.

"We're open to options to help them stay here," said Ficano, who declined to give specifics. "We want to do everything we can to keep the Red Wings here."

Speculation whether the Wings will move has intensified recently as the Ilitch family has accumulated land behind their Fox Theatre they are using for parking lots.

With a deadline drawing near to make a decision on where the team will play in 2010, the Red Wings are in a quandary, experts on hockey venues say.

Joe Louis does not have the revenue-generating features of the new "mega-arenas," but the sagging economy makes it difficult to secure financing for a new home for the Red Wings.

"Joe Louis does not have the luxury boxes and the super suites and the private clubs of the newest venues," said Kevin Reichard, senior editor of arenas.com, which tracks the business-side of the NHL. "If the team had that, they could become even more of a money machine."

Jason R. Thompson, a senior project manager for Brailsford & Dunlavey, a facility planning company in Washington, D.C., said the decision on where the hockey franchise plays will come to a single issue.

"This really comes down to money -- where the team can get the most revenue and the best price," said Thompson, who studied at the University of Detroit-Mercy, where he regularly took in Red Wings games and knows first-hand the sight-line issue and lack of amenities in Joe Louis.

The Red Wings could try to build a facility without government help but that is difficult, Reichard said, although this team may be an exception.

"Mike Ilitch has assets that could be used as collateral," Reichard said, pointing toward the Detroit Tigers as well as the Little Caesars empire.

When Ilitch was spurring local leaders to help finance what would eventually become Comerica Park, he threatened moving the Tigers but any threat of that now is unlikely.

"Where is he going to move the Red Wings?" Reichard said. "Detroit is Hockeytown. The only possibility is the suburbs of Toronto and that is not going to happen."

If the Red Wings extend the contract, a decision that is the team's alone, the city could no longer tack on up to a 10 percent surcharge on tickets to games and events that accounted for $3 million in revenue last year.

Also Detroit would no longer get a cut of concessions and suite rentals. Olympia Entertainment would lose up to $1 million in annual tax breaks. The amount of tax liability is written into the lease deal.

I don't understand. Detroit faces a huge economic mess right now and a New Arena or a Renovation of The Joe could be bring in countless jobs for the Area.

Edman
06-24-2009, 02:05 PM
What kind of crap is this?

God, it's the Penguins relocation controversy all over again. Detroit is in a rut, and they don't deserve this. I say move back into the damn arena.

KeiselPower99
06-24-2009, 02:09 PM
As much as I hate em they cant move. Have em share the building with the Pistons.

SteelCityMan786
06-24-2009, 10:33 PM
As much as I hate em they cant move. Have em share the building with the Pistons.

The only problem is, the Pistons are going to want all of the prime nights.

NEPAsteeler
06-24-2009, 11:30 PM
This is terrible. As a sports fan, you never want to see your beloved team for many years have to move to a different city.

And I agree with SCM. Upgrading the Joe or building a new facility would bring lots of jobs to that area.

TackleMeBen
06-24-2009, 11:31 PM
the joe is an awful place. it stinks inside and you can tell that its old.

the city council in detroit is a joke. they refused to turn cobo over a board of regents so that it could be upgraded(which is much needed.). in fact to prove the point when autorama was in town we had a killer rain storm and the roof on cobo was leaking and getting the cars in the car show wet. the people their were totally pissed about it. cant say i blame them either.

Mr. I has the money to build a new staduim if he wants to. although doing it behind the fox theatre would be kind of stupid b/c of traffic and parking.

and if the red wings did move to the suburbs... oakland county would be more than happy to take them and give them a new stadium.

SteelCityMan786
06-25-2009, 11:53 PM
the joe is an awful place. it stinks inside and you can tell that its old.

the city council in detroit is a joke. they refused to turn cobo over a board of regents so that it could be upgraded(which is much needed.). in fact to prove the point when autorama was in town we had a killer rain storm and the roof on cobo was leaking and getting the cars in the car show wet. the people their were totally pissed about it. cant say i blame them either.

Mr. I has the money to build a new staduim if he wants to. although doing it behind the fox theatre would be kind of stupid b/c of traffic and parking.

and if the red wings did move to the suburbs... oakland county would be more than happy to take them and give them a new stadium.

They don't call Detroit's govt. corrupt for nothin! Illitch has the money to, so I won't be surprised if he picks up most of the tab if not all of it to pay for a renovated Joe or a new arena. From what I have read on Wings Boards, they want to see a return of something similar to Olympia.

TackleMeBen
06-26-2009, 12:03 AM
They don't call Detroit's govt. corrupt for nothin! Illitch has the money to, so I won't be surprised if he picks up most of the tab if not all of it to pay for a renovated Joe or a new arena. From what I have read on Wings Boards, they want to see a return of something similar to Olympia.

you got that right... starting with kwame, then council president monica conyers, that woman is the biggest (b) itch.

Illitch has the money and i am sure he will do whatever he can to keep the wings downtown. i mean downtown is becoming nice and getting cleaned up. thank god they are finally tearing down tiger stadium. i personally think they should just knock the joe down and rebuild right there. i dont think renovating the joe will help it.

Galax Steeler
06-26-2009, 05:13 AM
I would hate to see them move you got to have Detroit Redwings in the league.

TackleMeBen
06-26-2009, 10:31 AM
Mr.I wont let them move if he can help it at all. The redwings are the city of detroit in sports.

SteelCityMan786
06-26-2009, 12:05 PM
Mr.I wont let them move if he can help it at all. The redwings are the city of detroit in sports.

I'm just hoping that Wings fans don't have to suffer a situation similar to the Pens. Although one thing is for certain, no Jim Balsille or other businessman will be buying the team.

SteelCityMan786
06-26-2009, 12:14 PM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=431762&cmpid=rss-News%20in%20English


Red Wings wants new arena lease from city
Friday, 06.26.2009 / 11:11 AM / News
Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) -The Detroit Red Wings want a new deal to play at Joe Louis Arena.

The team says it will not exercise an option to renew its lease at the arena, but wants to continue talks with the city on a new deal. Ilitch Holdings Inc. President and Chief Executive Christopher Ilitch said Friday that the current lease is 30 years old and not competitive to other arena leases in the NHL or professional sports.

He says the team is looking for a new lease that is "fair and equitable for all parties."

The team had until next Tuesday to notify the city of its intentions before a 20-year option automatically kicked in.

Ilitch said the team will continue evaluating all options for a new arena.

TackleMeBen
06-27-2009, 12:16 AM
sounds like city council is playing hardball..

TackleMeBen
06-27-2009, 12:21 AM
oh, and just a side note about the wonderful city council in detroit.

Conyers pleads guilty to conspiracy

Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers pleaded guilty this morning to conspiring to commit bribery and is free on personal bond.

Conyers, the wife of powerful Democratic congressman U.S. Rep. John Conyers, appeared before Cohn to answer charges in connection with the wide-ranging probe of wrongdoing at Detroit city hall.

She has long been under suspicion in the Synagro Technologies bribery probe, not least because she had been a vocal opponent of the contract before suddenly switching her sentiments. She became the deciding voice in the city council’s 5-4 vote to approve the sludge-hauling deal in November 2007.

“This is not the beginning and it is certainly not the end, folks,” FBI Special Agent in Charge Andy Arena said at a news conference this morning.

No resignation letter has been submitted by Conyers to Detroit City Council as of this morning, according to the council clerk’s office, Council President Ken profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterrel Jr.’s office and council’s legal office

http://freep.com/article/20090626/NEWS01/90626024/Conyers+pleads+guilty+to+conspiracy

SteelCityMan786
06-27-2009, 01:40 AM
If the council seriously wants to clean up their mess and get Detroit back on track, they must push Conyers to resign. If not, whoever she represents will have to vote her out.

TackleMeBen
06-27-2009, 10:01 PM
If the council seriously wants to clean up their mess and get Detroit back on track, they must push Conyers to resign. If not, whoever she represents will have to vote her out.
they were talking about changing the voting for city council. i am not familiar with the rules on how long they can stay in office. i did read that the new mayor isnt asking for conyers resignation.. which is kind of stupid to me.. i knew she was corrupt, i never liked her. she always seemed c ocky to me.

devilsdancefloor
06-28-2009, 01:09 AM
As much as i hate the dead wings this is stupid on their part. The joe is a big part of hockey. Sad to see this happening

TackleMeBen
06-28-2009, 08:55 PM
i think they will come to some agreement, whether it is a new stadium or updating the joe.

trauben
06-29-2009, 08:48 AM
You just don't deliver a city like this another blow by taking a beloved team from them! That'd be like the Steelers or Pirates leaving us in the 70s when the steel mills were closing (the Pens were too young to count into that mix). Having the Steelers and Pirates in town winning championships helped with the city's moral in so many ways!

I hate Red Wing fans............ but I don't want them screwed over like this!

TackleMeBen
06-30-2009, 10:25 AM
i am sure Mr. I is going to do everything he can to keep the red wings in downtown. He is a detroit man, but he also has to do what makes good business sense to him too. the city is in need of money so bad, they will try and screw over anyone.

on a side note, monica conyers, resigned her council seat, now she is will be off to jail..lol..

SteelCityMan786
06-30-2009, 06:10 PM
on a side note, monica conyers, resigned her council seat, now she is will be off to jail..lol..

The first step to cleaning up their govt.

SteelCityKing
06-30-2009, 06:23 PM
yeah, they have to stay. who else are we going to battle against in the rubber match of next years Stanley Cup Finals? haha!

TackleMeBen
07-01-2009, 11:10 PM
The first step to cleaning up their govt.
yeah, now if a few more would do the same. lol

warddj86
07-04-2009, 01:13 PM
yeah, they have to stay. who else are we going to battle against in the rubber match of next years Stanley Cup Finals? haha!

Well, there are the blackhawks, who are my favorite to be next year's Stanley Cup losers, you know why? Because they acquired Marian Hossa, hahaha!