View Full Version : US Terror Counter-measures Reactionary and Ineffective...

07-01-2009, 09:19 AM
We've been over this ground before, and I have made this case before: We waste billions trying to make people feel better, but because we are trying to stop what already happened, and not what's next, we waste time, money and energy, and look foolish in the process.

Also, great point about homegrown terrorists being most effective...in fact, I've stated before that it's the REAL reason we haven't had any attacks here of any real magnitude since 9/11, because the US is pretty inclusive and far less racist than other countries, making it harder to find Muslims here who hate the country enough to attack it. But, given time, I'm sure they can round up enough...

This is long, but I think the guy is above reproach and makes some very strong arguments. Worth the read!

(Note: snopes says he made these predictions in 2005. Don't see how it makes much difference, though, as I think the basic tenet's of his statements ring true)

Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based.. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.

He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.

Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.

Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U..S. Will occur within the next few months.

Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again... Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire.. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is reactionary.

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates.
Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate.. (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas , they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.. The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant..

On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East .. These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.

So, what can America do to protect itself? From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S.. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out... In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!

In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well=2 0'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.

Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City, this was days, in some cases!)

He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.

Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc..., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.

07-01-2009, 10:50 AM
No need to worry. Obaaama will sit down with them over tea and crackers and everything will be hunky-dory. Maybe even give them an ipod too.

Sadly it's going to happen. I guess it's up to citizens to keep an eye out for themselves.

07-01-2009, 11:57 AM
Actually my family and close friends have a very detailed plan in place. Thanks for posting this revs, more people need to be ready for the un-expected.

07-01-2009, 12:42 PM
Now, I have never been a conspiracy theorist or anything, and I hate to sound like a wack job, but I've noticed how many gas stations, particularly Texacos, are now owned and operated by middle easterners. Including one in Red Banks, MS (ya can't get much more rural than that) and the owners do travel quite frequently back and forth to the middle east. What if there is something in the works to where at a given time on a given date, they blow up all these gas stations ?

07-01-2009, 01:39 PM
I thought I remembered reading this a while back...

tony hipchest
07-01-2009, 07:01 PM
hotels are also ran by middle easterners. theyre gonna simultaneously put anthrax in the sheets and pillow cases.

if michael jackson is gonna have half a million people show up at some public funeral service, i wonder what type of security they will have.

it would have to be less than the 96 olympics in atlanta.

07-03-2009, 04:18 PM
The premise of the article is good and is a criticism I've been making for several years. We always try to stop the last attack instead of the next one.

07-03-2009, 04:28 PM
The premise is good.

There are a couple things wrong with some of the specifics... bombs without metal are really no good. It gives a great concussion, but unless you have MASSIVE amounts, it won't do half the damage a bomb with metal does (its the metal that rips through and allows the concussion to continue the ripping of materials).

But there is one MAJOR point that is dead on. The Church committee hearings on CIA misdeeds in teh 70's gutted and destroyed the america human intelligence appartus, and we have been loathe to rebuild it ever since. "Sigint" and "Elint" can only get so much.