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The Definiti0n
07-13-2009, 07:06 PM
Just thinking that if Hines can play out his contract he could end up in the top ten all time. He needs about 200 more catches. Lets leave Frank Summers and O-Line out of this discussion.

Right now he is currently ranked 22nd all time will 800 receptions. He is ranked 8th active. #1 active is Marvin Harrison and he isn't on anyones team. Currently and 2# active Isaac Bruce and is the 3rd option in San Fran.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm

SteelCityKing
07-13-2009, 07:52 PM
IF he plays out the rest of his contract, whic highly doubt only because he is injury prone and ont he wrong end of 30.

but, i would say he would be in the top 10-15 of all-time. i'm hoping atleast in the top 10. if that's the case, he's getting into the Hall no doubt.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-13-2009, 08:01 PM
If he plays out his contract, with the offense being more of a passing offense than it ever was under Cowher, he can sneak into the top 12, and possibly the top 10.

SteelCityKing
07-13-2009, 08:06 PM
but bumping up from 22 to move into the top 10 would be a feat in itself note worthy of taking him to the Hall.

it's a BIG step, but it can be done. i'd love to see it happen. Bettis is top 5 in rushing. he's had a bust since Super Bowl XL! =)

RoethlisBURGHer
07-13-2009, 09:51 PM
but bumping up from 22 to move into the top 10 would be a feat in itself note worthy of taking him to the Hall.

it's a BIG step, but it can be done. i'd love to see it happen. Bettis is top 5 in rushing. he's had a bust since Super Bowl XL! =)

Very true, and he had a bust waiting for him for the last few years before we finally won XL.

Galax Steeler
07-14-2009, 04:36 AM
Holmes will be getting alot more receptions making it harder for Hines to fine the top ten. I believe he will level out around14 or 13 maybe.

MasterOfPuppets
07-14-2009, 05:02 AM
receptions
1. Jerry Rice - 1,549
2. Cris Carter - 1,101
3. Tim Brown - 1,094
4. Marvin Harrison - 1,042
5. Andre Reed - 951
6. Isaac Bruce - 942
7. Art Monk - 940
8. Keenan McCardell - 883
[9. Terrell Owens - 882
10. Jimmy Smith - 862
11. Irving Fryar - 851
12. Rod Smith - 849
13. Larry Centers - 827
14. Tony Gonzalez - 820
15. Steve Largent* - 819
16. Shannon Sharpe - 815
17. Henry Ellard - 814
17. Keyshawn Johnson - 814
19. Torry Holt - 805
20. Randy Moss - 774

hines - 800

receiving yds
1. Jerry Rice - 22,458
2. Tim Brown - 14,934
3. Isaac Bruce* - 14,109
4. James Lofton - 14,004
5. Marvin Harrison* - 13,944
6. Cris Carter - 13,899
7. Henry Ellard - 13,777
8. Andre Reed - 13,198
9. Steve Largent - 13,089
10. Terrell Owens* - 13,070
11. Irving Fryar - 12,785
12. Art Monk - 12,721
13. Jimmy Smith 12,287
14. Randy Moss* - 12,193
15. Charlie Joiner - 12,146
16. Michael Irvin - 11,904
17. Torry Holt* - 11,864
18. Don Maynard - 11,834
19. Rod Smith - 11,389
20. Keenan McCardell* - 11,373

hines - 9,780

receiving TD's
1. Jerry Rice - 197
2. Cris Carter - 130
3. Terrell Owens - 128
4. Marvin Harrison - 123
5. Randy Moss - 120
6. Steve Largent - 100
6. Tim Brown - 100
8. Don Hutson - 99
9. Don Maynard - 88
10. Andre Reed - 87
11. Lance Alworth - 85
11. Paul Warfield - 85
13. Mark Clayton - 84
13. Irving Fryar - 84
13. Tommy McDonald - 84
13. Andre Rison - 84
17. Isaac Bruce - 83
18. Art Powell - 81
19. Harold Carmichael - 79
19. Charley Taylor - 79

hines - 72

for those of you disillusioned thinking ward is a HOF lock... your wrong ....see where chris carter is on these list ? he shoulda been first ticket, but he wasn't. by the time ward retires, he's gonna be fighting to get on the ballad along with several other top flight receivers. i think he's still a good, 3 - 1000 yd seasons away from even serious consideration. the bar keeps getting set a little higher every year for receivers since the league has gone pass happy.

SteelCityKing
07-14-2009, 07:17 AM
thank you for that list. i was looking all over for that damn thing. seriously. i needed that.

i wouldn't say Ward is a lock for the Hall. but i honestly think he will be the next Steeler after Jerome Bettis. he's got a lot of credentials and his attitude and demeanor are a plus. he's not a team-cancer like Owens and he's got 2 rings, one MVP, tenure, and he's a solid player who's changed the way all receivers play the game. not on a grand scale, but i think most receivers would love to play like Hines plays. he's a great player who holds a lot of Steelers records and he may not make it in on the first try, but he'll make it eventually. hopefully.

what saddens me is, Owens will get in no problem. but that's only based on his numbers. he's a total assface and with an attitude like that, he should be banned from even trying out for the ping pong hall of fame!

HometownGal
07-14-2009, 07:56 AM
for those of you disillusioned thinking ward is a HOF lock... your wrong ....see where chris carter is on these list ? he shoulda been first ticket, but he wasn't. by the time ward retires, he's gonna be fighting to get on the ballad along with several other top flight receivers. i think he's still a good, 3 - 1000 yd seasons away from even serious consideration. the bar keeps getting set a little higher every year for receivers since the league has gone pass happy.

Good post, MOP, and thank you for the stats info. :drink:

Hines is not a LOCK for the HOF for the reasons set forth above, plain and simple. It would be great to see him get into the great hall, but I'm not holding my breath.

Steel Head
07-14-2009, 08:10 AM
If Hines wins another SB MVP award, they will have to let him in the HoF

revefsreleets
07-14-2009, 09:44 AM
This is exactly the spirit of what that other thread was about. Hines will probably end up deserving to be in the HOF ( and I think the Championships are what will be the deciding factor in that) but won't make it for the reasons MOP stated above. Toss in a prejudice against the Steelers, and he'll have a pretty hard time.

CanadianSteel
07-14-2009, 10:41 AM
I think he has a decent chance. If he can get close to 10,000 receptions maybe 12,000 yards would look much better. May take him a little while going up against the other receivers on that list for entry, but he does have a SB MVP, and owns all the Steeler receiving records and plays the game like a football player not just like a WR. This may sway some of the voters.... heres hoping anyhow :noidea:

Psyychoward86
07-14-2009, 11:10 AM
IF he plays out the rest of his contract, whic highly doubt only because he is injury prone and ont he wrong end of 30.

but, i would say he would be in the top 10-15 of all-time. i'm hoping atleast in the top 10. if that's the case, he's getting into the Hall no doubt.

I gotta disagree man. Hines is one of the least injury prone wide receivers i know. He gets a fairly wealthy number of catches every year. I think you might be gettin the wrong idea about his durability because of his lack of playing time in the AFCCG and Superbowl. He's probably going to get a little more brittle as he goes up in age, but if his past has told us anything, it's that he's going to be there for us nearly every given Sunday.

mulldog24
07-14-2009, 11:41 AM
Lynn Swann didn't have the greatest stats either but he had rings. I think that is what got him in to the HOF. I think Ward could crack the top 15 as he will be playing alot of slot and will get alot of underneath passes.

Men of Steel
07-14-2009, 11:52 AM
Holmes will be getting alot more receptions making it harder for Hines to fine the top ten. I believe he will level out around14 or 13 maybe.

actually i think Holmes is becoming if not already the TOP THREAT for this team... and with the emergence of either sweed or another rookie receiver... leaving Hines in the SLOT... i like his chances...

and he is not injury prone like ppl think.... last year he had a Solid year up until that nasty twisted knee against the dirty Ratbirds in the AFC CG..... he will break 1000 catches in his career.... he needs 200 more? peice of cake for Hines...

I remember him stating he would play until he couldnt be effective... and i KNOW he will be effective for this team till the day he retires from the NFL... as a Steeler of course :tt02:

fansince'76
07-14-2009, 12:04 PM
Lynn Swann didn't have the greatest stats either but he had rings. I think that is what got him in to the HOF.

Yep, and even then Swannie had to wait a LONG time to get in. At this point, unfortunately, I think Hines is still on the outside of the HoF looking in, which makes me sick when I think about that assclown T.O. more than likely going in on his 1st or 2nd ballot.

MasterOfPuppets
07-14-2009, 01:02 PM
hall of fame WR's.......

Lance Alworth 1962-1972
Fred Biletnikoff 1965-1978
Elroy (Crazylegs) Hirsch (also HB) 1946-1956
Steve Largent 1976-1989
James Lofton 1978-1993
Don Maynard 1958, 1960-1973
Tommy McDonald 1957-1968
Paul Warfield 1964-1977
Charlie Joiner 1969-1986
Art Monk 1980-1995
Raymond Berry 1955-1967
Tom Fears 1948-1956
John Stallworth 1974-1987
Lynn Swann 1974-1982
Bobby Mitchell (also HB) 1958-1968
Pete Pihos 1947-1955
Charley Taylor (also HB) 1964-1975, 1977
Dante Lavelli 1946-1956
Bob Hayes 1965-1975
Michael Irvin 1988-1999

chris carter should get in this year, and of course jerry rice will be first ticket in 2010...

complete list of inductee's .....

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx

onefortheotherhand
07-14-2009, 02:06 PM
being in the HOF isn't all about numbers, it's about what he has brought to the game and how he has contributed to his team. hines has been one of the toughest(if not the most toughest) receiver in the leauge . his incredible blocks made the nfl make a rule to prevent them. hes been a major cog in two steeler superbowl wins. but most of all i think is his legacy, which will live on in the minds of all steeler fans for decades to come :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02:

STEELAMANIA
07-14-2009, 02:41 PM
If Swann and Stallworth get in just by their superbowl rings, why not Ward....Ward's stats and rings should get him in automatically.

revefsreleets
07-15-2009, 12:44 PM
A) Competition. There will be a LOT of quality WR's competing to get in
B) Steelers bias. It will be tougher and tougher for Steelers to get in
C) Stats. He'll need more than what he currently has, meaning a couple more really productive years (because of A and B).

He'll deserve it...but I don't think he'll make it.

The Lakelander
07-15-2009, 12:58 PM
WR's in the NFL have a longer lifespan than other positions, as evidenced by Rice, T.O., Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, and Tim Brown. Hines Ward may end up ahead of many of those unquestionably great WR's. I like Hines chances. He's getting up there but he's showing no signs of hanging it up. He needs three more 70 reception, 900 yard seasons and another 15-20 TD's to be an all-time top 10 NFL WR. That's not out of the realm of possibility for Hines, but it will take some serious conditioning and alot of heart to accomplish it!

JackHammer
07-15-2009, 10:24 PM
Good post, MOP, and thank you for the stats info. :drink:

Hines is not a LOCK for the HOF for the reasons set forth above, plain and simple. It would be great to see him get into the great hall, but I'm not holding my breath.

Sad, but true. He's gonna have to get those stats up as much as possible. We can only hope that his reputation as a fierce blocker, who contributed greatly to some great rushing teams, will go a far way to help his cause. I really think it will because the voters are media members and a lot of them have VERY VIVID highlights of him laying out defensive players. They always talk about how he's the best blocking WR's in the NFL and one day they're gonna look at his stats and realize that he was one of the most complete players to ever play WR.


But for any of that to matter, he's going to need to get at least 900 receptions, approach 11,000 yards, and get 85-90 TD's. If he can manage those numbers, he'll be at or near top ten in 2 of the 3 categories. I think that, plus his blocking reputation will be enough get him into the HOF. Not to mention that smile :chuckle: Just be ready to wait a decade or so after he retires, and hope the field doesn't catch up to him too much.

MasterOfPuppets
07-16-2009, 03:09 AM
WR's in the NFL have a longer lifespan than other positions, as evidenced by Rice, T.O., Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, and Tim Brown. Hines Ward may end up ahead of many of those unquestionably great WR's. I like Hines chances. He's getting up there but he's showing no signs of hanging it up. He needs three more 70 reception, 900 yard seasons and another 15-20 TD's to be an all-time top 10 NFL WR. That's not out of the realm of possibility for Hines, but it will take some serious conditioning and alot of heart to accomplish it!
yes but while hines is padding his stats, so are guys like moss T.O., bruce, holt, harrison will be setting the bar higher ....all of these guys will also be in line waiting for nominations....

Hines0wnz
07-18-2009, 05:11 PM
Just looking at the numbers, he should hit 900 receptions easily at the end of the 2010 season which would sneak him into the top 10. Depending how much longer he plays after that would determine if he stays in that top 10 group. Whether he makes the top 10 or not, I think he is in the Hall of Fame because he has played his position differently than any WR before him.

Psyychoward86
07-18-2009, 06:41 PM
yes but while hines is padding his stats, so are guys like moss T.O., bruce, holt, harrison will be setting the bar higher ....all of these guys will also be in line waiting for nominations....

How is he padding his stats?

MasterOfPuppets
07-18-2009, 07:49 PM
How is he padding his stats?
by padding, i mean adding on to...and so will the others i mentioned.

irving fryar retired in 2001

11 th in receptions
11 th in yards
13 th in tds
5 pro bowls
2 x all pro


15,594 all-purpose yards. He holds an NFL Record for having touchdowns reception from 19 different passers and having at least two touchdown receptions in 16 consecutive seasons. Fryar also became the first player to record a touchdown reception in 17 consecutive seasons.

hines needs to get in the top 10 in all 3 catogories to get serious attention from the voters

3 more 1000 + , 80 rec+ , and 7 tds+ ....certainly would help.... another pro bowl, + and another good superbowl showing i think would definetly do the trick.

AllD
07-19-2009, 09:28 AM
Ward might not get in on the first HOF ballot currently, but he is deserving due to his blocking and SB MVP credentials.

As far as stats go, few Steelers other than Franco and The Bus racked up tremendous numbers. The only real stat and the one that counts the most is Super Bowl victories. I believe that single stat has put many Steelers in the HOF as much as TDs, yards, etc. have done for others.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-19-2009, 10:05 AM
Been gone for a couple of days, and just now getting caught up on some of the threads....This topic is interesting.

As I have said in other threads...getting into the HOF is based on stats and recognition. So what does Hines offer?

Well...Hines is the career leader in receptions for the Steelers...He is WIDELY known as the best blocking WR in the game (and some say to EVER play the game)...He is a 4 time pro bowler...3 time team MVP....2 time All NFL team....and a superbowl MVP.

He also has name recognition on a global scale and is considered a nation hero in South Korea .

That being said...Hines has done all the "right" stuff off the field...if he can be productive for 4-5 more years on the field, he still may not be a lock...but he will be a serious consideration

Hines0wnz
07-19-2009, 03:24 PM
If I'm not mistaken, isnt Hines the all-time leading WR for the Steelers? And if I'm not mistaken again, arent there 2 other Steeler WRs in the HoF already? I dont think he needs 2 more SB wins to get in, he is in. All his stats do is prove his worth in this generation of WRs but he is unique and that is why he will get in regardless if he ends up in the top 10 or 15 all-time.

MasterOfPuppets
07-19-2009, 08:58 PM
inductees highlighted

receptions
1. Jerry Rice - 1,549
2. Cris Carter - 1,101
3. Tim Brown - 1,094
4. Marvin Harrison - 1,042
5. Andre Reed - 951
6. Isaac Bruce - 942
7. Art Monk - 940
8. Keenan McCardell - 883
[9. Terrell Owens - 882
10. Jimmy Smith - 862
11. Irving Fryar - 851
12. Rod Smith - 849
13. Larry Centers - 827
14. Tony Gonzalez - 820
15. Steve Largent* - 819
16. Shannon Sharpe - 815
17. Henry Ellard - 814
17. Keyshawn Johnson - 814
19. Torry Holt - 805
20. Randy Moss - 774

hines - 800

receiving yds
1. Jerry Rice - 22,458
2. Tim Brown - 14,934
3. Isaac Bruce* - 14,109
4. James Lofton - 14,004
5. Marvin Harrison* - 13,944
6. Cris Carter - 13,899
7. Henry Ellard - 13,777
8. Andre Reed - 13,198
9. Steve Largent - 13,089
10. Terrell Owens* - 13,070
11. Irving Fryar - 12,785
12. Art Monk - 12,721
13. Jimmy Smith 12,287
14. Randy Moss* - 12,193
15. Charlie Joiner - 12,146
16. Michael Irvin - 11,904
17. Torry Holt* - 11,864
18. Don Maynard - 11,834
19. Rod Smith - 11,389
20. Keenan McCardell* - 11,373

hines - 9,780

receiving TD's
1. Jerry Rice - 197
2. Cris Carter - 130
3. Terrell Owens - 128
4. Marvin Harrison - 123
5. Randy Moss - 120
6. Steve Largent - 100
6. Tim Brown - 100
8. Don Hutson - 99
9. Don Maynard - 88
10. Andre Reed - 87
11. Lance Alworth - 85
11. Paul Warfield - 85
13. Mark Clayton - 84
13. Irving Fryar - 84
13. Tommy McDonald - 84
13. Andre Rison - 84
17. Isaac Bruce - 83
18. Art Powell - 81
19. Harold Carmichael - 79
19. Charley Taylor - 79

Preliminary list of nominees for class of 2009
First-year eligible nominees:

WIDE RECEIVERS -- Cliff Branch, Harold Carmichael, *Cris Carter, Wes Chandler, Gary Clark, Isaac Curtis, Henry Ellard, Irving Fryar, Roy Green, Harold Jackson, Herman Moore, Stanley Morgan, *Andre Reed, Sterling Sharpe.

KeiselPower99
07-19-2009, 09:07 PM
receptions
1. Jerry Rice - 1,549
2. Cris Carter - 1,101
3. Tim Brown - 1,094
4. Marvin Harrison - 1,042
5. Andre Reed - 951
6. Isaac Bruce - 942
7. Art Monk - 940
8. Keenan McCardell - 883
[9. Terrell Owens - 882
10. Jimmy Smith - 862
11. Irving Fryar - 851
12. Rod Smith - 849
13. Larry Centers - 827
14. Tony Gonzalez - 820
15. Steve Largent* - 819
16. Shannon Sharpe - 815
17. Henry Ellard - 814
17. Keyshawn Johnson - 814
19. Torry Holt - 805
20. Randy Moss - 774

hines - 800

receiving yds
1. Jerry Rice - 22,458
2. Tim Brown - 14,934
3. Isaac Bruce* - 14,109
4. James Lofton - 14,004
5. Marvin Harrison* - 13,944
6. Cris Carter - 13,899
7. Henry Ellard - 13,777
8. Andre Reed - 13,198
9. Steve Largent - 13,089
10. Terrell Owens* - 13,070
11. Irving Fryar - 12,785
12. Art Monk - 12,721
13. Jimmy Smith 12,287
14. Randy Moss* - 12,193
15. Charlie Joiner - 12,146
16. Michael Irvin - 11,904
17. Torry Holt* - 11,864
18. Don Maynard - 11,834
19. Rod Smith - 11,389
20. Keenan McCardell* - 11,373

hines - 9,780

receiving TD's
1. Jerry Rice - 197
2. Cris Carter - 130
3. Terrell Owens - 128
4. Marvin Harrison - 123
5. Randy Moss - 120
6. Steve Largent - 100
6. Tim Brown - 100
8. Don Hutson - 99
9. Don Maynard - 88
10. Andre Reed - 87
11. Lance Alworth - 85
11. Paul Warfield - 85
13. Mark Clayton - 84
13. Irving Fryar - 84
13. Tommy McDonald - 84
13. Andre Rison - 84
17. Isaac Bruce - 83
18. Art Powell - 81
19. Harold Carmichael - 79
19. Charley Taylor - 79

hines - 72

for those of you disillusioned thinking ward is a HOF lock... your wrong ....see where chris carter is on these list ? he shoulda been first ticket, but he wasn't. by the time ward retires, he's gonna be fighting to get on the ballad along with several other top flight receivers. i think he's still a good, 3 - 1000 yd seasons away from even serious consideration. the bar keeps getting set a little higher every year for receivers since the league has gone pass happy.

Well he will at least see Hines in the top 15 of all time TD's

MasterOfPuppets
07-19-2009, 09:17 PM
Well he will at least see Hines in the top 15 of all time TD's
he should end up top 10 in receptions and td's, maybe top 15 in yardage.