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msafford
07-23-2009, 01:14 PM
It was OK....he sounded pissed

Deny deny deny - that's the ticket.

"Reckless accusations".... deny everything

Yeah....he sounded REALLY pissed...as if their were A LOT more things he really wanted to say about Ms. Andrea McNutcase.

Hines4ever
07-23-2009, 01:15 PM
Woah, he's saying No Sex at all!!???

Somebody recap the whole statement please????? Dyin here!!!!!!!

Hammer Of The GODS
07-23-2009, 01:16 PM
Ben was just on the NFL network making a statement about the BS. He says he is going to FIGHT the accusations. He looked visibly upset that he had to even say he was innocent.


Go Ben, don't take this crap lying down!

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 01:16 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said the allegations that he raped a woman in a Lake Tahoe hotel are "reckless and false."

"I'm going to fight to protect my family and my reputation," he said in a very brief news conference shortly after 2 p.m. at the Steelers' practice facility on the South Side.

"I am confident that the truth will prevail," he concluded.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 01:16 PM
i have to agree he sounded pissed, and if its false he has every right to be.

the legal anaylst on espn is thinking it would go to trial and favor the girl. he also said that the hotel could settle with her and it would all go away...

Hammer Of The GODS
07-23-2009, 01:19 PM
Looks like they will reair the press conference on total access tonight at 7pm.


I hope when he is found innocent that he runs this bitches name into the ground!

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 01:22 PM
i think he has too much class to stoop down to her level when and if he is found innocent.

steelreserve
07-23-2009, 01:24 PM
i think he has too much class to stoop down to her level when and if he is found innocent.

I don't think he'll even have to. Unless she somehow pulls some proof out of her ass, she's doing a first-rate job of running her name into the ground on her own.

Hines4ever
07-23-2009, 01:27 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said the allegations that he raped a woman in a Lake Tahoe hotel are "reckless and false."

"I'm going to fight to protect my family and my reputation," he said in a very brief news conference shortly after 2 p.m. at the Steelers' practice facility on the South Side.

"I am confident that the truth will prevail," he concluded.

Thank you!

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 01:27 PM
Our season is saved.

FacemeIke
07-23-2009, 01:29 PM
http://www.wpxi.com/video/20156562/index.html

I was finally able to find the video of the statement....there is the link

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 01:30 PM
well as far as I can tell he isn't denying any type of sex with her so...don't have sex with the staff still stands.

steelreserve
07-23-2009, 01:32 PM
he also said that the hotel could settle with her and it would all go away...

That. THAT'S what's going to happen.

That way everyone can walk away unhappy and people can hold it against him forever if they want, because it was never actually disproved. Because that's what always happens in these cases.

In fact, in this case, it's almost guaranteed that the hotel will settle. I'm willing to take bets on this. Their reputation isn't really on the line here; it boils down to what's going to be the most cost-effective.

It'll probably happen right before the case goes to trial, too.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 01:33 PM
His lawyer is called the Wolf

she's toast

Gnutella
07-23-2009, 01:36 PM
Now I seriously don't believe he's guilty of anything.

With that said, even if he is...this whole case is a clinic on how NOT to handle the after-effects of rape or sexual assault.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 01:37 PM
His lawyer is called the Wolf

she's toast
well, she has quite the lawyer also...this is going to be very ugly.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 01:39 PM
That. THAT'S what's going to happen.

That way everyone can walk away unhappy and people can hold it against him forever if they want, because it was never actually disproved. Because that's what always happens in these cases.

In fact, in this case, it's almost guaranteed that the hotel will settle. I'm willing to take bets on this. Their reputation isn't really on the line here; it boils down to what's going to be the most cost-effective.

It'll probably happen right before the case goes to trial, too.
you are probably right since its a publicly owned hotel, and the stockholders will not want any bad press.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Ben Roethlisberger statement regarding civil lawsuit filed by Andrea McNulty


“I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty. Saturday was the first that I learned of her accusations. Her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. I would never, ever force myself on a woman. I am going to fight to protect my family and my reputation. I am not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. I will respond to her outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum.

“I have an obligation to our fans, to my teammates, to my coaches and to everyone in the organization to remain focused on the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I will do that.

“The allegations against me are reckless and false. As much as I would like to answer everyone’s questions, I am going to respect the legal process, and I am confident that the truth will prevail. Thank you.”

http://news.steelers.com/article/106300/

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Wow - I never even saw Tomlin there with him....he got his back.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200907/20090723brk_mf_roethlisberger_1_500.jpg

redst3
07-23-2009, 01:41 PM
I am glad he is going to fight it instead of reach a settlement.

siss
07-23-2009, 01:44 PM
If Ben can survive Martha, then he can survive this B!tch!

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 01:44 PM
well as far as I can tell he isn't denying any type of sex with her so...don't have sex with the staff still stands.

technically correct

“I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty."

Hines4ever
07-23-2009, 01:45 PM
Clearly the last few days have taken a toll....he looks like hell :frown:

Sharkissle29
07-23-2009, 01:45 PM
http://news.steelers.com/article/106300/

Ben Roethlisberger statement regarding civil lawsuit filed by Andrea McNulty


“I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty. Saturday was the first that I learned of her accusations. Her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. I would never, ever force myself on a woman. I am going to fight to protect my family and my reputation. I am not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. I will respond to her outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum.

“I have an obligation to our fans, to my teammates, to my coaches and to everyone in the organization to remain focused on the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I will do that.

“The allegations against me are reckless and false. As much as I would like to answer everyone’s questions, I am going to respect the legal process, and I am confident that the truth will prevail. Thank you.”

fansince'76
07-23-2009, 01:52 PM
That way everyone can walk away unhappy and people can hold it against him forever if they want, because it was never actually disproved. Because that's what always happens in these cases.

That's why I'd personally like to see him countersue for libel, not drop it and bury her under a pile of legal bills. If you're going to abuse the court system with a bullshit frivolous lawsuit and wreck someone else's rep in the process, you should get burned for it.

steelreserve
07-23-2009, 01:57 PM
Wow - I never even saw Tomlin there with him....he got his back.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200907/20090723brk_mf_roethlisberger_1_500.jpg

Are you SURE they didn't get Omar Epps to fill in for him?

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 01:58 PM
That's why I'd personally like to see him countersue for libel, not drop it and bury her under a pile of legal bills. If you're going to abuse the court system with a bullshit frivolous lawsuit and wreck someone else's rep in the process, you should get burned for it.
:applaudit::applaudit:i couldnt agree more.

it amazes me that women can no longer be intelligent and get things for themselves with brains, but have to give decent women a bad rep, because you are stupid nut job.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:01 PM
Wow - I never even saw Tomlin there with him....he got his back.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200907/20090723brk_mf_roethlisberger_1_500.jpg
is it me, or does omar, i mean coach tomlin look a little upset. ??

and for the poster that said ben looks like hell, i am sure you would look the same way if you were being thrown in the mudd and accused of something you didnt do(Allegedly)

steelreserve
07-23-2009, 02:03 PM
That's why I'd personally like to see him countersue for libel, not drop it and bury her under a pile of legal bills. If you're going to abuse the court system with a bullshit frivolous lawsuit and wreck someone else's rep in the process, you should get burned for it.

Well, you should, but she probably won't. If Ben was to sue for libel, then the burden is on him to prove that she's lying, which is basically impossible. His lawyers will talk him out of it because it'll just be a waste of money and drag his name through the wringer a second time.

Then we'll have to settle for some statement where he says he wishes he could have fought the lawsuit, but the hotel prevented him from doing it. That'll leave the door open for anyone who wants to hold it against him, and we'll probably be hearing about it all the way up to 20 years from now when his name comes up for the Hall of Fame voting. If this message board is still here, I'll come back and say I told you so.

scsteeler
07-23-2009, 02:12 PM
i think he has too much class to stoop down to her level when and if he is found innocent.

Yes but more important the less you say the better because any long comments on what truly happened can be used against you later on. The response was prepared by the lawyer after talking to Ben so that nothing being said would hurt in fighting these allegations.

HometownGal
07-23-2009, 02:12 PM
this is going to get very ugly before it goes away, especially if it goes to trial. it may be better in the long run to just pay the woman off.

Absolutely NOT. Any honorable and innocent person who is improperly called out and sued (in this case - sexual assault) would want to clear his/her name and reputation no matter what it takes. I hope Ben's attorney takes this all the way, if necessary, and proves this bimbo to be the liar and attention ho I believe she is.

7SteelGal43
07-23-2009, 02:14 PM
:applaudit:
What a class act this guy is. No wonder I love him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HometownGal
07-23-2009, 02:14 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eVeCCfKv8is/Rzlu3XWyCqI/AAAAAAAAA50/jPUFDh3G3Qk/s320/snerd.bmp

SteelCityMan786
07-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Absolutely NOT. Any honorable and innocent person who is improperly called out and sued (in this case - sexual assault) would want to clear his/her name and reputation no matter what it takes. I hope Ben's attorney takes this all the way, if necessary, and proves this bimbo to be the liar and attention ho I believe she is.

You summed it up pretty well. I'm tired of seeing people suing athletes simply because they have money.

fansince'76
07-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Well, you should, but she probably won't. If Ben was to sue for libel, then the burden is on him to prove that she's lying, which is basically impossible. His lawyers will talk him out of it because it'll just be a waste of money and drag his name through the wringer a second time.

Then we'll have to settle for some statement where he says he wishes he could have fought the lawsuit, but the hotel prevented him from doing it. That'll leave the door open for anyone who wants to hold it against him, and we'll probably be hearing about it all the way up to 20 years from now when his name comes up for the Hall of Fame voting. If this message board is still here, I'll come back and say I told you so.

Yeah, I know it'll get dropped quickly and his name will be sullied by this forever.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:19 PM
Absolutely NOT. Any honorable and innocent person who is improperly called out and sued (in this case - sexual assault) would want to clear his/her name and reputation no matter what it takes. I hope Ben's attorney takes this all the way, if necessary, and proves this bimbo to be the liar and attention ho I believe she is.
i hope you are right marianne. i want to see him cleared and his reputation put back to some kind of normacy.

Hines4ever
07-23-2009, 02:22 PM
is it me, or does omar, i mean coach tomlin look a little upset. ??

and for the poster that said ben looks like hell, i am sure you would look the same way if you were being thrown in the mudd and accused of something you didnt do(Allegedly)

Whoa....only making an observation....NOT pointing a finger....like ha ha look at him.....and yes, I am sure I would look the same way......I thought that the smiley with the sad face would symbolize that I feel badly for him. Chill out....we're on the same side here!!

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:22 PM
Yes but more important the less you say the better because any long comments on what truly happened can be used against you later on. The response was prepared by the lawyer after talking to Ben so that nothing being said would hurt in fighting these allegations.
that is true.

Steel Head
07-23-2009, 02:25 PM
i think he has too much class to stoop down to her level when and if he is found innocent.

he doesn't have to 'stoop' to any level

he has every right to fight for his innocence. and if he is found innocent, he can file a defemation of character suit against her

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 02:27 PM
As pissed as Ben sounded I can almost guarantee a back-to-back SB trophy.

I see the Steelers as a whole getting very protective of him, any other team messes with him, they get stomped.

+40 TD passes - write it down

Gnutella
07-23-2009, 02:29 PM
Problem is, defamation would be just as hard to prove as this.

Jackal
07-23-2009, 02:30 PM
This whole suit seems laughable. I bet she's on Belicheat's payroll. If there's any justice in the world, it'll be thrown right out of court and they'll find her bloated, drug-addled corpse in a desert ditch two years from now.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 02:30 PM
I think, the point that TacklemeBen is making is that a counter suit, if these charges are dropped, is kind of like being a bully.

Say next week the charges are dropped because she's a looney tune or just didn't realize that it was going to be as huge a deal as it was (after all she claims she didn't really know who Ben was in 2008 when she first met him, just that he was an "athlete") So now lets say the media attention, the ESPN Coverage, the Steelers fans that just assault her voicemail, inbox, facebook page and what not (which I'm sure will happen now that he has come out saying he's going to fight) Lets say she just gives up and drops the charges. That in itself should Clear Him.

If Ben then turns around, after the charges are dropped and files a suit against her, and uses his Power and Financial Influence to bury this girl even deeper into the hole, he'll come across like a Bully. At least, that's what I think the point is about "stooping" to her level. Once the charges are dropped, let sleeping dogs lie.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:31 PM
he doesn't have to 'stoop' to any level

he has every right to fight for his innocence. and if he is found innocent, he can file a defemation of character suit against her
i think once he is found innocent, he should just drop it. why would you want to go thru another trial and seriously, she doesnt have any money so what would he get out of it, except a huge legal bill?

Steel Head
07-23-2009, 02:33 PM
I think, the point that TacklemeBen is making is that a counter suit, if these charges are dropped, is kind of like being a bully.

ya, you are probably right

but i dont understand his 'stoop to her level' comment. that would mean Ben will falsely accuse her of raping him? :noidea:

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:34 PM
I think, the point that TacklemeBen is making is that a counter suit, if these charges are dropped, is kind of like being a bully.

Say next week the charges are dropped because she's a looney tune or just didn't realize that it was going to be as huge a deal as it was (after all she claims she didn't really know who Ben was in 2008 when she first met him, just that he was an "athlete") So now lets say the media attention, the ESPN Coverage, the Steelers fans that just assault her voicemail, inbox, facebook page and what not (which I'm sure will happen now that he has come out saying he's going to fight) Lets say she just gives up and drops the charges. That in itself should Clear Him.

If Ben then turns around, after the charges are dropped and files a suit against her, and uses his Power and Financial Influence to bury this girl even deeper into the hole, he'll come across like a Bully. At least, that's what I think the point is about "stooping" to her level. Once the charges are dropped, let sleeping dogs lie.
that is exactly what i meant. ben already has a rep as being a douchebag, why do you want to do anything else to add on to that. (i am not saying that he is or isnt bc i dont know the man)

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:35 PM
ya, you are probably right

but i dont understand his 'stoop to her level' comment. that would mean Ben will falsely accuse her of raping him? :noidea:
i meant it in the context of him being stupid and filing a lawsuit that doesnt need to be filed.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 02:36 PM
She (TackleMeBen) has explained it so I'll let it go. Once the charges are dropped, that should be the end of it. Also, since the case could be months away, I suspect this won't effect us the rest of the season. Let the court battle start, motions, what not, back and forth, delays during the season. Next Spring it'll heat up again. That's my guess. By then, who knows, maybe the Casino settles and she fades away, maybe the charges are dropped, maybe an asteroid hits the earth and we have bigger issues...who knows.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:36 PM
This whole suit seems laughable. I bet she's on Belicheat's payroll. If there's any justice in the world, it'll be thrown right out of court and they'll find her bloated, drug-addled corpse in a desert ditch two years from now.
the sad part of this is that some crazy steeler fan, might try that.

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 02:37 PM
All the good responses are in the other thread.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 02:38 PM
This whole suit seems laughable. I bet she's on Belicheat's payroll. If there's any justice in the world, it'll be thrown right out of court and they'll find her bloated, drug-addled corpse in a desert ditch two years from now.

If she's crazy, I hope she gets the help she needs...bless her heart.

No need to call for crazy things like death.

Galax Steeler
07-23-2009, 02:39 PM
I just wish he would get this mess behind him so he can focus on some football.

siss
07-23-2009, 02:39 PM
I think, the point that TacklemeBen is making is that a counter suit, if these charges are dropped, is kind of like being a bully.

Say next week the charges are dropped because she's a looney tune or just didn't realize that it was going to be as huge a deal as it was (after all she claims she didn't really know who Ben was in 2008 when she first met him, just that he was an "athlete") So now lets say the media attention, the ESPN Coverage, the Steelers fans that just assault her voicemail, inbox, facebook page and what not (which I'm sure will happen now that he has come out saying he's going to fight) Lets say she just gives up and drops the charges. That in itself should Clear Him.

If Ben then turns around, after the charges are dropped and files a suit against her, and uses his Power and Financial Influence to bury this girl even deeper into the hole, he'll come across like a Bully. At least, that's what I think the point is about "stooping" to her level. Once the charges are dropped, let sleeping dogs lie.
:applaudit: well said.

Jackal
07-23-2009, 02:42 PM
It just seems so convenient that this all surfaced a few weeks before training camp the year we're defending a SB title.

I'm telling you...Belichick is behind this...or the Ratbirds...
:-)

Jackal
07-23-2009, 02:45 PM
If she's crazy, I hope she gets the help she needs...bless her heart.

No need to call for crazy things like death.

...if she's crazy, yes, but if she' just a vindictive, money-grubbing c__t...

I'm not advocating violence in any way, shape or form, just poetic justice. Poetic justice brought about by a meth overdose. In the desert.

KeiselPower99
07-23-2009, 02:46 PM
Ben looked very pissed off and angered by the suit that ya can tell. The fact that Tomlin was there with him shows support for not only his player but a guy that Im sure Tomlin respects and dare I say???? Love. As for the legal guy from ESPN the mention that the hotel could settle this seems really wierd to me. I think if Ben comes back with a countersuit then we will see where she stands on her side.She drops it she knows she aint got a case or is lying.

HometownGal
07-23-2009, 02:46 PM
i think he has too much class to stoop down to her level when and if he is found innocent.

So - I take it that your prior statement in the other "Ben" thread about it being a good idea for him to just pay her off is retracted? :chuckle:

Sorry HOTG - I'm going to merge this with the other Ben thread as I've been doing with all of the new threads on this topic.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:46 PM
As pissed as Ben sounded I can almost guarantee a back-to-back SB trophy.

I see the Steelers as a whole getting very protective of him, any other team messes with him, they get stomped.

+40 TD passes - write it down
i think you may be onto something. :thumbsup:

Galax Steeler
07-23-2009, 02:48 PM
I hope he takes his frustrations out on the first game of the year aginst the Tennessee Titans.

jev7452
07-23-2009, 02:48 PM
as a member of steeler nation, we all just need to stand behind ben until he IS proven innocent, which we all know he will be.. things are probably gonna get ugly though

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 02:49 PM
So - I take it that your prior statement in the other "Ben" thread about it being a good idea for him to just pay her off is retracted? :chuckle:

Sorry HOTG - I'm going to merge this with the other Ben thread as I've been doing with all of the new threads on this topic.
yes marianne, i think after seeing the PC today, i think he should fight it and not give a penny to this (fill in the blank.).

i was making the case if he wanted it to go away soon, that a payoff would be the best thing. but i am sure he isnt going to part with his money..lol.

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Sorry HOTG - I'm going to merge this with the other Ben thread as I've been doing with all of the new threads on this topic.

That's why you are the best Mod - evar!

smootches

steelreserve
07-23-2009, 03:03 PM
This whole suit seems laughable. I bet she's on Belicheat's payroll. If there's any justice in the world, it'll be thrown right out of court and they'll find her bloated, drug-addled corpse in a desert ditch two years from now.

I swear if they search her house, they'll find it completely decked out in Patriots gear. That's probably why she didn't go to the cops in the first place.

Jackal
07-23-2009, 03:08 PM
I may be opening myself up to putting my foot in my mouth later, but I'm not convinced this really will get that ugly. Given all of the material facts that have been reported- her never contacting the authorities and never getting a rape kit, the supposed "cover up" by the hotel staff, the lack of reported evidence, and the refusal of the sheriff's department to pursue a criminal investigation, it largely comes down to he-said, she-said. Right now, she doesn't seem to have a leg to stand on.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 03:20 PM
There are too many women who do actually get raped and/or beat who really do need help for crazy manipulative bitches to go around crying wolf.

you are absolutely right.

7SteelGal43
07-23-2009, 03:32 PM
If he says "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman....miss McNulty" The we are in BIG BIG trouble!

:toofunny:

WeegiesWarriors
07-23-2009, 03:33 PM
WTF was the "Ben is going to Fight" thread moved into this massive thread? Now I have to sift through 50+ pages of crap to find Ben's comment

Lefturn
07-23-2009, 03:33 PM
Heres my idea if the Steelers dont win every game they play this year lets all band together and sue this woman, her lawyers, hell espn & anyone else we can think of

OneForTheToe
07-23-2009, 03:35 PM
There is an advantage to filing the libel/slander suit in that it might make her side a little more cautious. Also, the best defense being a good offense and all. As for actually pursuing the case, if her civil suit is falls apart. I don't know. As others have said, it is very difficult to prove slander/libel and could keep this story in the press longer than Ben wants. It probably comes down to facts we don't know. If he had no physical contact with her in his room the night of her allegation, then maybe pursuing his claim to the end is a good idea. However, if he had consensual sex with her, then we are stuck with a he said, she said situation, and then, it might be smarter to let sleeping dogs lie. As I said though there is no reason for Ben not to at the very least file a suit against her to rattles her cage.

OneForTheToe
07-23-2009, 03:36 PM
WTF was the "Ben is going to Fight" thread moved into this massive thread? Now I have to sift through 50+ pages of crap to find Ben's comment


As opposed to having to weed through 10 threads on the front page all covering this subject.:noidea:

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 03:39 PM
There is an advantage to filing the libel/slander suit in that it might make her side a little more cautious. Also, the best defense being a good offense and all. As for actually pursuing the case, if her civil suit is falls apart. I don't know. As others have said, it is very difficult to prove slander/libel and could keep this story in the press longer than Ben wants. It probably comes down to facts we don't know. If he had no physical contact with her in his room the night of her allegation, then maybe pursuing his claim to the end is a good idea. However, if he had consensual sex with her, then we are stuck with a he said, she said situation, and then, it might be smarter to let sleeping dogs lie. As I said though there is no reason for Ben not to at the very least file a suit against her to rattles her cage.
you make a good point about maybe filing suit to see what she does.but it could backfire.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-23-2009, 03:55 PM
I hope that when Ben is exonerated he does file suit against her for defamation of character and she ends up living in a cardboard box under a bridge somewhere in Canada.

I would love for Ben and his lawyer to make an example of her so the next crazy woman who thinks about doing this for a big payday thinks twice.

7SteelGal43
07-23-2009, 03:55 PM
I just saw the video of Bens press conference on youtube. Like most of you, I didn't, or at least didn't want to, believe these allegations. Now, I unequivically believe Ben, our Ben, MY Ben is innocent. LONG LIVE BIG BEN !!! :tt03:

simonsfs30
07-23-2009, 04:16 PM
she must be praying not to see any steeler in the streets

Preacher
07-23-2009, 04:18 PM
until it is proven either way, I wouldn't assume yet.

And regardless, the idiot put himself in this position. . . unless she was never even in his room... but so far, it seems she was.

Uh, yeah, I did read the entire post.



In this context, I take the word "regardless" as meaning it was Ben's fault and ultimately his fault alone that these accusations were levied against him, and at this point, it appears they were levied at him due solely to the fact that he was staying in the same resort the accuser worked at. You may want to choose your words a bit more carefully next time if that isn't what you meant.

Sigh. Come on FS, you're much better at seeing the full context than that. It is one reason why I always enjoy posting with you.

Regardless comes at the BEGINNING of the sentence, which means regardless of what I stated IN THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE. So, regardless of "until it is proven either way, I wouldn't assume yet. " THEN... MODIFIED in a dependent clause, which means that it is MODIFYING the main clause and thus, the word REGARDLESS, I state "unless she was never in his room."

SO the sentence says, Regardless, UNLESS she was not in his room, the idiot put himself in this situation. OR,"Unless she was not in his room, the idiot put himself in this position regardless (of it being proven either way)

Whatever way you want it written, it says the same thing. If he invites her or asks her to come fix it, then he is an idiot for putting himself in that situation regardless of the outcome. If he did NOT do it, then he is not an idiot because he did not put himself in that situation.

THus, my chosen words and sentence were fine. If you choose to ignore the last have of a sentence, that isn't my problem.

And yes, I DO believe that if Ben brought a Harrah's employee into his room that he is staying in alone, that he put himself in this situation. I am a lowly pastor, and I work diligently to NEVER be in that situation, even when I was single. How much more so should a national celebrity whose multimillion dollar income is known the world over work to stay out of those situations?

hire a security guard to come with you. Hire a person to stick a couple camera's in your room and put them in an adjoining room.

WHen you are that big and have that much money, when you are at that station in life, you have to take extra precaution. Period.

Dino 6 Rings
07-23-2009, 04:33 PM
And yes, I DO believe that if Ben brought a Harrah's employee into his room that he is staying in alone, that he put himself in this situation. I am a lowly pastor, and I work diligently to NEVER be in that situation, even when I was single. How much more so should a national celebrity whose multimillion dollar income is known the world over work to stay out of those situations?

hire a security guard to come with you. Hire a person to stick a couple camera's in your room and put them in an adjoining room.

WHen you are that big and have that much money, when you are at that station in life, you have to take extra precaution. Period.

Likewise Preach, as an Employee, she should have known that going into the room of a high profile athlete, could have been seen by her employer as a negative performance issue. Don't be alone with the clients. Its a standard Fraternization Policy. Maybe she was worried about getting busted for being off her Desk Duty, for being in the customer's room when on the clock and maybe, just maybe Ben said, "Hey, if anyone asks, just tell them you were fixing my TV, I'll cover for you so you don't get in trouble."

All speculation of coarse.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 04:35 PM
he is going to cover alright in the tune of about $500,000 or more..lol

Steelercrazy
07-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Do you think we should send the Defense out to Nevada to conduct an interview with this vixen?

revefsreleets
07-23-2009, 04:37 PM
"Ben not only raped her, he also KILLED her!"

< Ignorant Pat/Rat/Brown/Bengals fans >

This was over before it began...there's nothing to see here except the fact that our athletes and celebrities make SO much money now that everyday people think it's worth it to roll the dice to trump up charges in order to either get paid, get some attention, or both...

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 04:39 PM
Do you think we should send the Defense out to Nevada to conduct an interview with this vixen?
just send harrison and woodley out there to take care of it :wink02::chuckle:

RoethlisBURGHer
07-23-2009, 04:43 PM
just send harrison and woodley out there to take care of it :wink02::chuckle:

:rofl::tt03:

Tomorrow she would be in court dropping the case.

Preacher
07-23-2009, 04:44 PM
Sorry..you're still being too vague.

:chuckle:

Problem is, she should have been prepared by the lawyers and our psych counselors for it going big.

Great thing about it going big though... more and more outside resources will be used to scrounge up information. The case will either firm up or disintegrate pretty fast from this point IMO.

and as I keep saying, from what I am reading, I think it will disintegrate.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 04:45 PM
:rofl::tt03:

Tomorrow she would be in court dropping the case.
if that would be the case, then i would pay for their tickets out there myself :chuckle:

HAWK
07-23-2009, 04:47 PM
I just hope he doesn't settle. To me, that's an admission of guilt.

Preacher
07-23-2009, 04:49 PM
Likewise Preach, as an Employee, she should have known that going into the room of a high profile athlete, could have been seen by her employer as a negative performance issue. Don't be alone with the clients. Its a standard Fraternization Policy. Maybe she was worried about getting busted for being off her Desk Duty, for being in the customer's room when on the clock and maybe, just maybe Ben said, "Hey, if anyone asks, just tell them you were fixing my TV, I'll cover for you so you don't get in trouble."

All speculation of coarse.

You're right. But if this woman is just looking for a payday like everyone is saying, then her story is that she was sent in to fix a TV. That happens. If she is lying, and she gets fired, big deal. She can find another job for the same income. However, if it does work, she has hit a bonanza.

That is why the burden of protecting yourself lies with Ben here specifically, and the stars in general. They are the ones with no upside an a whole lot of downside in these situations. Employees, hanger ons, one nights stands etc. have very little down side and a whole lot of upside in these kind of cases.

Preacher
07-23-2009, 04:50 PM
I just hope he doesn't settle. To me, that's an admission of guilt.


Not sure I would go that far... but if I were him, and I was innocent, I would fight with everything I had to clear my name.

ANd if she dropped the suit, I would STILL take her to court for defamation, just to send a message to anyone else that you don't come after me with reckless claims.

stillers4me
07-23-2009, 04:51 PM
I've heard of some pretty consistent stories that he's an arrogant a** and has a pretty bad reputation with women....I personally don't want to believe it!!! But just sayin"


There's a big leap between being a jerk and being a rapist.

The fact that Tomlin was standing behind him, told me everything I need to know. (At least they weren't holding hands. :chuckle:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sueincinci/Steelers/aaopis-7012-mid.jpg

revefsreleets
07-23-2009, 04:52 PM
I just hope he doesn't settle. To me, that's an admission of guilt.


He won't. There's NOTHING to this, and Ben can spend spend spend to protect his name. Not even the cheapest POS ambulance chaser atty will take on a completely losing cause like this if there's no chance of even a settlement....

She's discredited completely and totally and it took two days...

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 04:54 PM
There's a big leap between being a jerk and being a rapist.

The fact that Tomlin was standing behind him, told me everything I need to know. (At least they weren't holding hands. :chuckle:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sueincinci/Steelers/aaopis-7012-mid.jpg
stillers, leave it to you to make me spit my water all over the screen.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-23-2009, 04:58 PM
I've heard of some pretty consistent stories that he's an arrogant a** and has a pretty bad reputation with women....I personally don't want to believe it!!! But just sayin"

And I have heard people say he is a jerk because he doesn't sign autographs for twelve hours after practice, or at the restaurant, or won't sign for adults, or wouldn't sign a Terrible Towel (which is very difficult to sign).

RoethlisBURGHer
07-23-2009, 04:59 PM
Tomlin looks kind of pissed that he is holding hands with Ben.

stillers4me
07-23-2009, 05:04 PM
stillers, leave it to you to make me spit my water all over the screen.

My work here is done.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 05:47 PM
My work here is done.
just remember payback :wink02:

Fire Haley
07-23-2009, 06:01 PM
The way I see it...

He don't need to rob the bank when they are lining up outside giving it away

Natalie Gulbis

http://steelerstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/natalie-gulbis.jpg

Missy Peregrym

http://www.thecoolcrowd.net/wp-content/upload/missy6.jpg


Just get me another hat Ben, that's all I ask.

http://product.images.dreamsretail.com/64-11/64-11639-P.jpg

msafford
07-23-2009, 06:23 PM
That's his best 'not gay' face


edit:
here's the opposite 'totally gay' face

http://pittsburgh-blitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/tim_lumber.jpg

:sofunny::toofunny::laughing::chuckle::toofunny:

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 06:28 PM
The way I see it...

He don't need to rob the bank when they are lining up outside giving it away

Natalie Gulbis

http://steelerstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/natalie-gulbis.jpg

Missy Peregrym

http://www.thecoolcrowd.net/wp-content/upload/missy6.jpg


Just get me another hat Ben, that's all I ask.

http://product.images.dreamsretail.com/64-11/64-11639-P.jpg
well if he had kept one of those, then he probably wouldnt be in this mess :chuckle:

Preacher
07-23-2009, 06:41 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

stillers4me
07-23-2009, 06:45 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

:hatsoff: We have winner!

That would be a super classy thing to do!

KeiselPower99
07-23-2009, 06:47 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

Couldnt think of anything better.

TackleMeBen
07-23-2009, 06:59 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.
excellent idea preacher. and i am sure steeler nation would help also:tt02:

HometownGal
07-23-2009, 07:42 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

While #3 is a very good and extremely heartwarming idea, Father - with regard to #1, Ms. Bucktoofed Bimbo most likely doesn't have a pot to piss in (excuse the slang) or a window to throw it out of - thus, her reasoning behind trying to defame Ben, ruin his career, his life and his bank account.

Hell - he may be able to snag a five spot for her cowboy hat which most likely is stained from all of the bleach in her hair and another buck and a half for the caps on her snaggleteef. :beaver:

Wonder if she's holding Ben's love child. :rolleyes: :chuckle:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/andrea_mcnulty_01_0003_Layer_4_full.jpg

SteelCityKing
07-23-2009, 07:49 PM
is it just me, or does she look like Dick Vitale!? LOL!

MACH1
07-23-2009, 08:08 PM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

Perfect.

Can I add one?

4. Make an example out of her, so the next psycho might think twice before doing this to someone.

The Lakelander
07-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Clearly the last few days have taken a toll....he looks like hell :frown:

That is the result of a brilliant PR person. Unshaved, hair uncombed, shirt unbuttoned ... brilliant!

This was exactly what Ben needed to do ... come out with a very firm and direct statement of his innocence!

Way to go Ben!!!

That was really wise!!!

alittlejazzbird
07-23-2009, 09:03 PM
Since everything to do with this story is being posted under this thread, I'll include it here. Moderators, feel free to move it if appropriate:

Steelers now have plenty to overcome
Thursday, July 23, 2009
By Gene Collier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

What a very good thing it is that his luxuriant gift bag from the ESPYS included a pair of Quiet Comfort 3 Acoustic Noise Canceling Head Phones, because Big Ben Roethlisberger figures to be absorbing a ton of highly disagreeable noise over the coming weeks and months.

Eight days out from Steelers training camp, the psychic landscape for the team's most pivotal player and, by inescapable extension, the defending Super Bowl champions, is suddenly a morass of potential sinkholes.

In the wake of Friday's filing of a lawsuit with the Second Judicial District Court, State of Nevada, Roethlisberger will continue to play quarterback, but in his mind he'll be playing defense. No. 7 is now a defendant in a case brought by a Nevada woman alleging that Big Ben raped her at the Harrah's Lake Tahoe Resort on the night of July 11, 2008.

You'll obviously note the highly problematic distance of some 371 days between the alleged rape and the formal filing of a civil lawsuit without a criminal investigation, which so far is the public essence of Ben's defense. In a statement released Monday night, Roethlisberger's attorney, Atlanta-based David Cornwell, said as much, and little else.

"Ben has never assaulted anyone," Cornwell said, "especially [the plaintiff]."

Especially?

Cornwell ostensibly chooses his lawyerly words carefully, so that's not as benign a non sequitur as, "I never eat vegetables, especially peppers." No, "especially [the plaintiff]" borders on nastiness, which made the entire statement sound a little too strident for someone defending an NFL star with nothing to worry about.

Still, it was positively judicious compared to the cretinous ramblings available on the Internet regarding the plaintiff, who seeks restitution of nearly half a million dollars for a series of hospital stays triggered by the alleged incident.

That the suit cites Roethlisberger with a laundry list of alleged misbehaviors down to and including keeping a messy hotel room says nothing of the plaintiff's desperation or veracity, just as inferred defiance from Cornwell brings us no closer to the truth, either. Resolution likely looms somewhere on the other side of Super Bowl XLIV, and the prospect of Mike Tomlin's team being part of that event did not exactly escalate with the logging in of Nevada's Case No. CV09-02222.

One hundred percent not guilty or guilty as charged on all counts, Ben now has what the sports media love to call "legal woes." It's a weird little construction, but it's an important threshold.

If something sinister happened between Roethlisberger and a Harrah's concierge hostess on the 17th floor of that hotel last summer, its psychological impact on the quarterback was clearly insignificant, or at least insignificant enough that he subsequently led the Steelers to a second Lombardi Trophy in four years, insignificant enough that his nerves were sufficiently steady to throw the winning touchdown pass in the final minute on the most overlit stage a sports-crazed culture can erect.

But that was before legal woes, which are a kind of minimal sentence in themselves and clearly a potential distraction for something so interlocked as the emotional profile of a professional football team. The Steelers won't be at Latrobe 10 minutes next Friday before someone asks what the effect of Ben's legal woes might be. I would put the over/under on the number of starters who'll be asked some version of that very thing by Aug. 1 at 19.

Coaches see virtually everything from the dew point to the hair color of the backup center's wife as a potential distraction, so the tendency to overstate the impact of Ben's situation is almost reflexive. But don't misunderstand. Ben's officially a distraction, but he's not Terrell Owens, not Chad Ocho Cinco, not Brett Favre, any of whom can pull a team apart over any perceived slight.

It's purely coincidence, obviously, that Super Bowl victories five and six in the storied, gloried history of the Steelers were followed by convulsing episodes regarding Ben Roethlisberger -- his motorcycle accident in June 2006, and now his looming appearance on a Nevada docket.

The plaintiff's story contains many of the standard plausible elements of a combustible event -- rich, young superstar with a outsized sense of entitlement misbehaves spectacularly and expects everyone to forget about it -- but it doesn't sound like something that would include Roethlisberger. Ben is generally polite, practiced at the art of overarching humility, smarter than his years, and acutely aware of the potential import of just about everything he does. Socially, young women are magnetized to him in clumps, so it doesn't exactly follow that he would have to coerce one.

None of that says it didn't happen, just as none of it says it did.

But the psychic landscape spread in front of the 2009 Steelers won't be the same, at least until the truth arrives.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09204/985811-150.stm?cmpid=bcpanel0

7SteelGal43
07-23-2009, 09:12 PM
But the psychic landscape spread in front of the 2009 Steelers won't be the same, at least until the truth arrives.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09204/985811-150.stm?cmpid=bcpanel0

I say NONSENSE. We'll be fine. :tt03:

Preacher
07-23-2009, 09:26 PM
While #3 is a very good and extremely heartwarming idea, Father - with regard to #1, Ms. Bucktoofed Bimbo most likely doesn't have a pot to piss in (excuse the slang) or a window to throw it out of - thus, her reasoning behind trying to defame Ben, ruin his career, his life and his bank account.

Hell - he may be able to snag a five spot for her cowboy hat which most likely is stained from all of the bleach in her hair and another buck and a half for the caps on her snaggleteef. :beaver:

Wonder if she's holding Ben's love child. :rolleyes: :chuckle:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/andrea_mcnulty_01_0003_Layer_4_full.jpg



Actually, I think that even if she doesn't have dollar one, he should sue her for everything IF this comes out as nothing. He can always choose to ignore the ruling and alleve her of what she owes him afterwards.... and then take his own money out (that he would have won from her) and give it to the rape crisis center.

I guess what I am saying is, no one will believe him until it is proven IN COURT not that she doesn't have enough evidence win against him, but that he DOES have enough evidence to prove she was lying.

MasterOfPuppets
07-23-2009, 09:50 PM
hmmmm... i bet 400 grand would get her a nice shallow grave in the desert...:popcorn:

Preacher
07-23-2009, 10:30 PM
hmmmm... i bet 400 grand would get her a nice shallow grave in the desert...:popcorn:

Shallow....?? Cheapskate. At least do the work you're paid for. :chuckle:

steeler dude
07-23-2009, 10:36 PM
:tt: Ben seemed highly pissed during his news conference ! And he sounded legit :applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::tt:

SteelCityMan786
07-23-2009, 11:23 PM
:tt: Ben seemed highly pissed during his news conference ! And he sounded legit :applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::tt:

I'd be like that to if I were him.

SteelCityKing
07-24-2009, 01:26 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d8116ee11/Roethlisberger-on-allegations

i don't know about you guys, but i believe him.

i just have one question though, what the hell kind of haircut is that!? sorry Ben, shave it off or let the beard grow to match it up.

Galax Steeler
07-24-2009, 03:33 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d8116ee11/Roethlisberger-on-allegations

i don't know about you guys, but i believe him.

i just have one question though, what the hell kind of haircut is that!? sorry Ben, shave it off or let the beard grow to match it up. haha!

I have a feeling that he will change his hair and beard when the season starts.

Galax Steeler
07-24-2009, 04:24 AM
Shallow....?? Cheapskate. At least do the work you're paid for. :chuckle:

400 grand I would want a nice deep grave.:laughing:

The_WARDen
07-24-2009, 07:12 AM
I was on another forum talking about this, and the issue was, what happens if he is innocent? What does he do.

Here is my suggestion.

1. He sue her for everything for defamation of character.

2. He wins the suit.

3. He turns around and gives all the money, plus some of his own to rape crisis centers, to help those who ACTUALLY have been raped.

The problem with winning that case is that her lawyer would probably present it that she actually believes she was raped (some kind of psycho-babble) and thus she wouldn't have been "lying".

HometownGal
07-24-2009, 08:09 AM
The problem with winning that case is that her lawyer would probably present it that she actually believes she was raped (some kind of psycho-babble) and thus she wouldn't have been "lying".

If that's the case, then she should be sent to the funny farm in a black and gold straight jacket adorned with Steelers logos and her 4 x 6 foot room plastered with Steelers wallpaper. :chuckle:

TackleMeBen
07-24-2009, 08:25 AM
if she were smart, instead of screaming rape, she would take that baby and say it was his...lol

stlrz fan
07-24-2009, 08:47 AM
This has already gone too far!!!!

CanadianSteel
07-24-2009, 09:35 AM
Justs wondering what thoughts are after Bens denial speech... do you think that

A) Ben slept with her (mutually) and gave her the cold shoulder after
B) Ben maybe had some conversations with her (no sex) and the lawsuit came out of nowwhere.

millwalldavey
07-24-2009, 10:07 AM
Justs wondering what thoughts are after Bens denial speech... do you think that

A) Ben slept with her (mutually) and gave her the cold shoulder after
B) Ben maybe had some conversations with her (no sex) and the lawsuit came out of nowwhere.

I'm gonna hafta go with A. Consentual of course.

SteelersinCA
07-24-2009, 10:22 AM
I think she picked $440,000 because that's a nice number to say hey give me this so you don't have to give your lawyer more. It will cost Ben that much money easily to defend this. Seems like a well thought out, tactical money grab to me.

revefsreleets
07-24-2009, 10:26 AM
I think she picked $440,000 because that's a nice number to say hey give me this so you don't have to give your lawyer more. It will cost Ben that much money easily to defend this. Seems like a well thought out, tactical money grab to me.

Yup, that's exactly what I thought from the beginning.

But he needs to spend the cash and defend this. It looks bad if he settles, like he's buying her off. It's worth 10X this amount to clear his name...

TackleMeBen
07-24-2009, 10:28 AM
right now, i dont think he really cares how much its going to cost him to defend his name, if he is innocent.

The_WARDen
07-24-2009, 10:53 AM
then there's this blog...from a "body language expert".

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Body-language-expert-says-Roethlisberger-is-tell?urn=nfl,178490

beSteelmyheart
07-24-2009, 11:05 AM
http://www.wpxi.com/video/20156562/index.html

I was finally able to find the video of the statement....there is the link
Thanks for the link-another interesting video on that page is the lady talking about his body language.
I think the accuser's timing is very bizarre. I also wonder why any champion quarterback would feel the need to rape anyone when he could have many more, much prettier women than that at any time.
They say rape is a control issue but in Ben's case, I don't buy it at all.

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 11:09 AM
I think she picked $440,000 because that's a nice number to say hey give me this so you don't have to give your lawyer more. It will cost Ben that much money easily to defend this. Seems like a well thought out, tactical money grab to me.

Exactly. It's right in the sweet spot.

It was also a pretty shrewd move by her lawyer to name the hotel in the case, because they're a lot more likely to settle for that amount. They don't have to worry about defending their reputation, so it just comes down to math.

Like I said earlier, my money is on the hotel giving her a payout, her dropping the case, and Ben never getting a chance to defend himself. Everybody walks away unhappy (except her lawyer, who's a couple hundred grand richer), and anyone who has something against Ben can bring this up for the rest of his life. Sucks.

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 11:10 AM
They say rape is a control issue but in Ben's case, I don't buy it at all.

Yeah, we've all heard that one before -- "Rape isn't about sex, it's about power."

You ask me, reporting a false rape is about power too.

TackleMeBen
07-24-2009, 11:16 AM
Like I said earlier, my money is on the hotel giving her a payout, her dropping the case, and Ben never getting a chance to defend himself. Everybody walks away unhappy (except her lawyer, who's a couple hundred grand richer), and anyone who has something against Ben can bring this up for the rest of his life. Sucks.

but if he is innocent, i would persue this until i proved i was innocent, whether the hotel settled or not.

found this comment and thought it was sort of funny
Ben is the man!! I think they will find out quickly that this skank is lieing..Maybe Tom Brady paid her to do this so he has a better chance of winning the AFC...

here is something interesting and wanted to know if any of you heard this:
But, when she claimed the head of Harrah's security broke into her home a'la ninja style, and erased "crucial evidence" from her computer I became convinced she is a whack job. If there really was evidence on her computer, it can be recovered by a qualified forensic examinor. Unless it was erased by a ninja-like, rent-a-cop, apparently.

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 11:32 AM
but if he is innocent, i would persue this until i proved i was innocent, whether the hotel settled or not.

Problem is, if she drops her lawsuit, there's no way fight it anymore. It just goes away and never goes to court. Trying to pursue it further is like punching the air.

So the hotel pays her without admitting any wrongdoing, and she drops the lawsuit even though she got nothing from Ben. He's left hanging, with his reputation in the toilet for anyone who chooses to bring it up. And it probably causes a fair number fistfights at sports bars around the country over the next 10 years.

TackleMeBen
07-24-2009, 11:35 AM
if it were me, i would fight until i was broke(so to speak) i mean she pretty much has ruined his career in the public (except for steeler fans).

trauben
07-24-2009, 12:25 PM
if it were me, i would fight until i was broke(so to speak) i mean she pretty much has ruined his career in the public (except for steeler fans).
That there is a ton of folks.............the NATION in fact.

I don't think this has ruined him in the least bit. Again think of Jerome!

And it probably causes a fair number fistfights at sports bars around the country over the next 10 years.
This is a given. I think anyone hurt in any altercations like this should SUE HER ASS since she's to blame!

jasonhightower
07-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Yup, that's exactly what I thought from the beginning.

But he needs to spend the cash and defend this. It looks bad if he settles, like he's buying her off. It's worth 10X this amount to clear his name...

She will be suing for a lot more than $440,000. That piece is just for the medical expenses, etc. The punitive damages were unspecified, which is where the plaintiffs try to get rich and could be well into the millions.

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 12:57 PM
She will be suing for a lot more than $440,000. That piece is just for the medical expenses, etc. The punitive damages were unspecified, which is where the plaintiffs try to get rich and could be well into the millions.

Yeah, they might be asking for that, but seriously -- she'd probably take whatever she can get, as long as it's six figures. The medical bills are probably not "real" unless someone else with deep pockets is made to pay them, so she'd make out quite well even if she got less than that amount.

MasterOfPuppets
07-24-2009, 01:02 PM
how did it get from 380 to 440 ? :noidea:

7SteelGal43
07-24-2009, 01:42 PM
BEN IS INNOCENT. I hope and pray the hotel doesn't throw Ben under the bus by settling just for their own convenience. :tt03:

MasterOfPuppets
07-24-2009, 01:46 PM
BEN IS INNOCENT. I hope and pray the hotel doesn't throw Ben under the bus by settling just for their own convenience. :tt03:

he could always file a suit for slander ...:noidea:

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 02:31 PM
he could always file a suit for slander ...:noidea:

Yeah, but it'll probably go nowhere because he'll have to PROVE she's lying and knew she was lying, which is damn near impossible unless there was a camera in the room. You might as well ask him to PROVE that he doesn't secretly have the ability to fly. I don't know how you'd do it.

Anyway, point is, even if he did file a slander suit to make a point, he'll probably lose because of that, and anyone who wants to doubt him can still doubt him. He's in a real jam as far as his reputation is concerned, because the only way to clear his name is to see the current lawsuit through to the end, and other people are the ones who control whether that can happen or not.

Preacher
07-24-2009, 03:06 PM
Um... she isn't suing for 440,000. If she was, It would be a much bigger plus on her side that she wasn't looking for a payday, but only to make her "whole" again (on the same financial footing she was before it began).

she is suing for 440,000 PLUS punitive damages, which will probably be MILLIONS (that she is looking for).


And for some reason, I am with those that think that she really does believe it happened... either she was raped by someone else, or she has lost touch with reality and after a conversation with him, fantasized the rest and now believes it.

Like I said before, her counseling records, if she opens them up, will be the most damning to Ben, unless there is proof that it is about something else.

If she doesn't open them up, then it gets real iffy real fast IMO.

TackleMeBen
07-24-2009, 03:14 PM
[QUOTE]Like I said before, her counseling records, if she opens them up, will be the most damning to Ben, unless there is proof that it is about something else.

If she doesn't open them up, then it gets real iffy real fast IMO.[QUOTE]
his lawyer could get them subpoened if he felt they would help ben

Dillinger-63
07-24-2009, 03:15 PM
I say it's either a Dallas Cowboy's or Cleveland Browns conspiracy. LOL

Indo
07-24-2009, 04:12 PM
I say it's either a Dallas Cowboy's or Cleveland Browns conspiracy. LOL

Nice Dobe----love the freestack

mesaSteeler
07-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Roethlisberger's situation won't impact Steelers greatly
Friday, July 24, 2009
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09205/986031-87.stm?cmpid=cook.xml

Tell the truth. When you first heard about the civil lawsuit against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger because of an alleged sexual assault at a Lake Tahoe resort in Nevada a year ago, your primary concern really wasn't for Big Ben, who might be the victim of a setup by a woman looking to make a small fortune off his name. Nor was your concern for the woman, who, if the allegations are true, suffered unimaginable violence. No, you worried about the Steelers: What impact will all of this have on the team's chances of defending its Super Bowl title?

Well, I'm here to tell you this morning.

Minimal.

That isn't to say it's a good thing to be discussing sexual assault charges only days before the Steelers report to training camp. Hardly. This is a time when we should be looking at Roethlisberger and reliving yet again his wondrous touchdown pass to wide receiver Santonio Holmes to win Super Bowl XLIII. We shouldn't have to look at him and be forced to wonder: "Did he do it or not?" But that doesn't mean this incident has to sabotage the Steelers' season. Under no circumstances should it be considered an excuse for failure -- Roethlisberger's or the team's.

That goes back to something Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told the Post-Gazette's Ed Bouchette a month ago, before the allegations against Roethlisberger made the national news: "If you are going to be good, distractions are a part of it."

Overcoming them certainly are.

This is a big distraction, no doubt. Everybody is going to have questions for Tomlin and his players about Roethlisberger when they gather for camp in Latrobe next Friday. Tomlin figures to be typically aggressive, bringing up the subject before he is asked about it, making a really brief statement and then announcing he won't have additional comment until the situation is resolved. The players' answers also are fairly predictable: "We don't know what happened, so what are we supposed to say? All we know is that Ben is our quarterback -- our leader -- and we support him fully. We're all here to play football."

And so they will.

Roethlisberger, too.

It won't be easy for him. Even if he didn't commit the assault, he already has lost plenty just because his name has been linked to something horrible. He certainly looked terrible yesterday -- worse than on even his worst days against the Baltimore Ravens -- when he read a brief statement to the media at the Steelers' South Side headquarters, calling the allegations "reckless" and "outrageous" and saying he will "fight to protect my family and my reputation."

But Roethlisberger has attorneys to fight that fight. He knows his job is to play football. That's why the Steelers gave him an eight-year, $102 million contract before last season. The Rooneys and Tomlin are counting on him. His teammates are counting on him. And, yes, Steelers Nation is counting on him.

So Roethlisberger will play.

I'm guessing he will be terrific again.

The truly great ones -- Big Ben clearly is among them and seems headed toward the Hall of Fame -- have the rare ability to set aside all distractions and focus on the task at hand. Their mental toughness is extraordinary. Roethlisberger didn't flinch in the paralyzing chaos near the end of Super Bowl XLIII when he threw that touchdown pass to Holmes to beat the Arizona Cardinals. There's no reason to think he'll flinch now.

Roethlisberger won't just have the support of Tomlin, who stood behind him when he read his statement, and his teammates. He'll have the support of Steelers fans everywhere. I'm thinking, oh, maybe 99 percent believe his story in this "he said, she said" ugliness. That's what fans do, right? They support one of their own, especially if he's a Super Bowl hero.

Roethlisberger should feel some of that love tonight when he makes his first real public appearance since the allegations. He is scheduled to be at Ambridge High School's Moe Rubenstein Stadium to tape "Shaq Vs.," a new ABC reality television show starring NBA great Shaquille O'Neal. Attendance will be limited to about 7,500.

Two things you can count on:

1) Authorities will have to turn people away from the gates.

2) Big Ben will be wildly applauded.

In this town, the man will not be booed without proof of the assault. At least not until he starts throwing interceptions.
Ron Cook can be reached at rcook@post-gazette.com. More articles by this author

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09205/986031-87.stm?cmpid=cook.xml#ixzz0MDW1qVIn

RoethlisBURGHer
07-24-2009, 05:26 PM
Like I said before, her counseling records, if she opens them up, will be the most damning to Ben, unless there is proof that it is about something else.

If she doesn't open them up, then it gets real iffy real fast IMO.
his lawyer could get them subpoened if he felt they would help ben

Exactly. This is a civil suit, not criminal, and the plaintiff isn't given all the protections that she would in the criminal suit.

She very well may be thinking that they won't be allowed to bring up things like her mental state (before, during, and after the alleged incident), her sexual history, and her relationship history. But in a civil suit, it's all fair game.

Preacher
07-24-2009, 05:38 PM
Exactly. This is a civil suit, not criminal, and the plaintiff isn't given all the protections that she would in the criminal suit.

She very well may be thinking that they won't be allowed to bring up things like her mental state (before, during, and after the alleged incident), her sexual history, and her relationship history. But in a civil suit, it's all fair game.

Counseling records are protected by the same laws that protect lawyer client privilege. It will be her choice to bring them out or not... or something DRASTIC has to happen in order for them to be turned over.

SteelersHoss
07-24-2009, 06:00 PM
You know, He never did deny having sex with this girl... These athlete's have to watch what they do..

fansince'76
07-24-2009, 06:14 PM
You know, He never did deny having sex with this girl...

Never admitted to it either.... :coffee:

RoethlisBURGHer
07-24-2009, 06:29 PM
You know, He never did deny having sex with this girl... These athlete's have to watch what they do..

He never said he did either.

He said he wasn't going to discuss this case, nor his personal life, in the media. He said that he didn't do what he was being accused of, that he would fight the accusations in the correct forum (the courts).

Saying he did or didn't have sex with her to the media would be opposite of what he said he was going to do, and therefore would discredit him to some degree in court.

BlastFurnace
07-24-2009, 07:18 PM
Here is a link to Adam Schefter's Twitter account where he discusses Ben a little.

Adam is a very reliable source and he is indicating that it looks very good for Ben from what he is hearing.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

stillers4me
07-24-2009, 07:22 PM
Here is a link to Adam Schefter's Twitter account where he discusses Ben a little.

Adam is a very reliable source and he is indicating that it looks very good for Ben from what he is hearing.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Wow.......I hope that really means something. I want to see that worm Florio get down on his knees ands kiss Bens "Lombardi". Both of them.

mesaSteeler
07-24-2009, 08:33 PM
Allegations probably won't impact Big Ben's reputation
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_635063.html
By Karen Price, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, July 24, 2009

Karen Price can be reached via e-mail or at 412-320-7980.

Mark Hurlbert immediately noticed something peculiar when he learned about the sexual assault allegations a Lake Tahoe hotel employee has raised against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

"It surprised me that there was no criminal filing, no police reports," said Hurlbert, the Colorado district attorney who prosecuted Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant in 2003 for allegedly raping an Eagle County hotel employee.

Like other legal experts contacted by the Tribune-Review, Hurlbert said the lack of a criminal investigation figures to be a key component in the courtroom and the court of public opinion.

"It certainly raises a red flag when there is no call out to the police — that however late or early it is, the first time you hear about it is in a civil suit," said Hurlbert.

A successful criminal prosecution often makes it easier to win a civil verdict because the burden of proof in a criminal case is much more difficult, experts said.

Hurlbert dropped the highly publicized prosecution of Bryant when the accuser declined to further participate. The woman later filed a civil suit against Bryant, which was settled out of court for an undetermined amount of money.

Roethlisberger, 27, who vehemently denied the allegations against him Thursday, emphasized the word "civil" when saying he wouldn't discuss his private life or the case in the media.

There's little to indicate that Roethlisberger's reputation or marketability will be damaged based on the accusations alone.

"When all is said and done, a claim like this without any criminal charge really doesn't amount to much," said John Meindl, president and CEO of New York-based SportsBrandedMedia, a sports marketing company. "It's the image of someone walking into a police station in handcuffs that has a lasting effect on people's minds. The charges against him are only civil charges, so that doesn't apply here."

Even Bryant has rebounded in the court of public opinion. He recently appeared in a commercial for the "Guitar Hero World Tour" video game, was on the cover of the "NBA '07" video game, partnered with Vitaminwater and became the face of Nike's Hyperdunk sneaker.

According to Sports Illustrated's Fortunate 50 list, which ranks the top-earning athletes in the U.S., Roethlisberger was No. 15 in 2008 with $2.5 million in endorsements and $22.7 million in salary and bonus money for a total of $25.2 million.

Meindl doesn't believe companies will quickly abandon Roethlisberger, as Kellogg's did when images emerged of pot-smoking Olympic swimming champion Michael Phelps.

"In Ben's case, the fact that news came out so quickly in his favor, I don't really see it to be damaging (to his reputation) in the long run," Meindl said.

Roethlisberger's 31-year-old accuser is seeking $380,000 in special damages plus unspecified punitive damages. The Tribune-Review doesn't identify alleged victims of sexual assault.

Downtown attorney Bob Del Greco, a veteran criminal defense attorney, said the lack of police involvement is troubling.

"I dare say that if you look at national cases of this nature, I bet you won't find one that starts off with a civil complaint with such a time delay alleging a crime that was never reported," Del Greco said. "Assuming this occurred and she was violated and outraged, the presumption is you bring it to the attention of the police."

Del Greco represented former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis in 2002, when a woman accused Bettis of assaulting her in his car outside a Greensburg bar. An investigation determined that the woman's uncle had a clear plan to extort money from Bettis.

Del Greco said that even though Bettis was innocent, the running back still was worried what people might think of him.

"There were journalists who cried out that he should have been arrested immediately, that he's getting superstar treatment, that pro athletes do this all the time, and if it weren't for lawyers like me, they'd be in jail where they belong," Del Greco said. "What's wrong with investigating the matter? She made it up; it was a contrived hoax to extract money from a celebrity. People do crazy and illegal things for money." (Especially if they are ugly , lying, pschyo, skank ho's to being with. What really burns me up is the damage this evil sl*t is doing to Ben's family. My sympathy likes with Ben's mother and father. - mesa)

Alison Hall, associate director of Pittsburgh Action Against Rape, declined to speak specifically on the allegations against Roethlisberger. In general terms, she said, sexual assault is far more common than people think.

"A lot of times, it is he said, she said, and the only people who know what happened are the people in the situation," Hall said. "That doesn't mean that victims shouldn't come forward."

steelreserve
07-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Never admitted to it either.... :coffee:

Well, would you?

tony hipchest
07-24-2009, 08:58 PM
Allegations probably won't impact Big Ben's reputation
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in about 3-4 years, when he is going for his 4th ring, he will have half a dozen nike/reebok puppett commericals in regular rotation.

bank it.

steel striker
07-24-2009, 09:38 PM
There is no way that Ben raped this woman and, he has always been a stand up guy. The truth will come in due time and, hopefully Ben and the steelers can just move foward. I know what some people are saying things like we don't really know these super statr players. Most of us have followed Ben's career through college and, this would be wayout of character for him.

I just hope this whole matter will come to and end so, we can get back to football. This story is just way too fishy and, come on most women I know would have filed the proper charges with police if this did happen. WHICH WE ALL KNOW IT DID NOT HAPPEN!

HometownGal
07-24-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm gonna hafta go with A. Consentual of course.

I don't believe Ben ever did the deed with this chick - have you seen her picture? :jawdrop: Ben can have just about any woman he wants and I just can't see him exposing Mr. Happy to that kind of trauma. :horror:

I know we are all pretty much playing Sherlock Holmes right now as we don't yet know the whys and becauses here, but my thought is that she came on to him and he said thanks, but no thanks. :noidea: She waited until right before TC starts to really stick it to him and throw him off balance. I am confident that this two-bit floozie is going to be exposed very soon.

Texasteel
07-24-2009, 10:16 PM
I don't believe Ben ever did the deed with this chick - have you seen her picture? :jawdrop: Ben can have just about any woman he wants and I just can't see him exposing Mr. Happy to that kind of trauma. :horror:

I know we are all pretty much playing Sherlock Holmes right now as we don't yet know the whys and becauses here, but my thought is that she came on to him and he said thanks, but no thanks. :noidea: She waited until right before TC starts to really stick it to him and throw him off balance. I am confident that this two-bit floozie is going to be exposed very soon.



She does have the look of a predator, doesn't she.

fansince'76
07-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Well, would you?

Let's see, do I:

A. Assume Ben slept with a woman with well-documented mental problems because she was willing to fork over 200 bucks to file a civil suit claiming he raped her, simply because he didn't implicitly deny sleeping with her (yet)?

-or-

B. Give Ben the benefit of the doubt at this point and assume he didn't even touch her?

Think I'll go with option B.

Preacher
07-24-2009, 10:19 PM
Let's see, do I:

A. Assume Ben slept with a woman with well-documented mental problems because she was willing to fork over 200 bucks to file a civil suit claiming he raped her, simply because he didn't implicitly deny sleeping with her (yet)?

-or-

B. Give Ben the benefit of the doubt at this point and assume he didn't even touch her?

Think I'll go with option B.

Or C. Realize that rape is a horrible thing, and accusing someone of rape is almost as horrible. So wait until the facts come out and neither call Ben a rapist nor the woman a wh0re, b i tch, bucktooth, blah blah blah.

Personally, I think option C. is the best.

fansince'76
07-24-2009, 10:26 PM
Or C. Realize that rape is a horrible thing, and accusing someone of rape is almost as horrible. So wait until the facts come out and neither call Ben a rapist nor the woman a wh0re, b i tch, bucktooth, blah blah blah.

Personally, I think option C. is the best.

Want to point out where I called her any of those things? :coffee:

Preacher
07-24-2009, 11:25 PM
Want to point out where I called her any of those things? :coffee:


Nope... never said you did. :coffee:

Just a general statement that there is a third option.

Though as opposed to our previous discussion here... I can see how I wasn't clear this time.

I was intending option 3 as a general statement. You're one of the few that have not resorted to call her names.

jasonhightower
07-25-2009, 12:03 AM
then there's this blog...from a "body language expert".

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Body-language-expert-says-Roethlisberger-is-tell?urn=nfl,178490

I can see that too, now that they've mentioned it. If you put your average-joe self in that same situation this would be very traumatic and make you state your case with conviction... the more and more this is analyzed, or discussed the sillier her case is looking...

7SteelGal43
07-25-2009, 12:06 AM
well, I just have to say it and say it and say it again..............WE LOVE YOU BIG BEN !!!! :tt03::tt02::tt: WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE'RE BEHIND YA 100%

jasonhightower
07-25-2009, 12:17 AM
I've got Hines on tweeter and he did some live Q&A yesterday from those following him, but he didn't mention Ben other than an earlier post, which I quote "ts crazy what some people will say to get money! I hope none of you people believe my teammate would do something so wrong. cause he didnt."

BTW, Hines is feeling very good this offseason too! Claiming to be great shape, which I am sure he is.

Galax Steeler
07-25-2009, 06:10 AM
well, I just have to say it and say it and say it again..............WE LOVE YOU BIG BEN !!!! :tt03::tt02::tt: WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE'RE BEHIND YA 100%

Agreed.:applaudit:

HometownGal
07-25-2009, 06:36 AM
Or C. Realize that rape is a horrible thing, and accusing someone of rape is almost as horrible. So wait until the facts come out and neither call Ben a rapist nor the woman a wh0re, b i tch, bucktooth, blah blah blah.

Personally, I think option C. is the best.

Yes- rape is absolutely horrible - I can agree with you there, but I don't need facts in this case because it is as obvious as her Tucan Sam beak that she is a PSYCHO who fabricated this story in an attempt to not only defame Ben, but to secure her future with a little cashola - at Ben's expense. She has a documented history of being a whack-job. :screwy: If there is one member of the Pittsburgh Steelers I am 100% certain would never do this, it is BEN ROETHLISBERGER.

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 07:03 AM
Yes- rape is absolutely horrible - I can agree with you there, but I don't need facts in this case because it is as obvious as her Tucan Sam beak that she is a PSYCHO who fabricated this story in an attempt to not only defame Ben, but to secure her future with a little cashola - at Ben's expense. She has a documented history of being a whack-job. :screwy: If there is one member of the Pittsburgh Steelers I am 100% certain would never do this, it is BEN ROETHLISBERGER.

Hear Hear! That's what I've been saying all along! Have faith, my children, have faith!

"McNutty" is goin' down. :drink:

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 07:50 AM
Lawyers find credibility vital in sexual assault cases
Saturday, July 25, 2009
By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

She says he lured her into his hotel room and forced himself on her.

He says he would never force himself on any woman.

Lawyers say in cases where it's one person's word against another's, it's a battle for credibility, with the onus typically on the accuser.

So in the case of a Nevada hotel employee accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, the questions will be:

Why didn't the alleged victim go to the police?

Who else did she tell?

What is her past history?

How did she end up in his room?

Who is most believable?

For the plaintiff, the burden is huge.

"She's going to be the one who carries the day," said Michael O'Day, a former assistant district attorney turned defense lawyer, who's tried many of these cases. "It all comes down to credibility."

The question that has lingered in the thoughts of Pittsburghers and talk-show hosts for days is why the woman never sought out law enforcement to report that she was sexually assaulted.

According to the lawsuit, she reported the alleged assault to the chief of hotel security the next day.

But she still has never gone to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office to file a complaint.

"She should have been advised immediately by a lawyer to get to the prosecutor's office," Mr. O'Day said. "The lapse of time calls into question credibility and her motives, especially."

Defense attorney Caroline Roberto agrees not having a police complaint could be detrimental to the woman's claims, but she believes the man representing her, Calvin Dunlap, knows what he's doing.

"He's a former district attorney. He has intimate knowledge of that office and those investigators," she said. "He must have thought that if she waited eight months, they're not going to take the allegations seriously."

And having a bad result from a criminal case -- or no charges brought at all -- could make a civil claim that much harder to win, said Denver attorney John Clune, who represented the woman who accused basketball star Kobe Bryant of sexual assault.

But more than that, it's possible the woman chose not to go to law enforcement because she feared the loss of control that can come with a criminal investigation.

"While law enforcement and prosecutors have great concern for victims, they have a larger obligation to the community to make sure sex offenders are prosecuted," Mr. Clune said.

In a civil setting, the plaintiff's attorney is an advocate, working strictly for the victim.

Lisae C. Jordan, the director of the Sexual Assault Legal Institute in Maryland, doesn't think a victim's choice to not go to police is indicative of how strong her civil case might be.

"There are many much easier ways to make money than putting yourself through a civil trial and falsely accusing someone of a violent crime," she said.

Regardless of the woman's reasons for choosing not to go to police, all of the attorneys agree it will be a stumbling block for whomever might decide the case -- either a judge or jury.

"It's unfortunate because the reality is most sexual assault victims do not report to the police," Mr. Clune said.

But, he continued, "More often than not, it's very explainable in the victim's own words, why they didn't go to the police."

Mr. O'Day, who said these types of cases are not easy to prove, agreed that a believable witness can sway even the most cynical jurors.

"When the person comes into court, and they take the stand, and they look like they're telling the truth, it can be the end for the jury," he said.

When talking about credibility, Mr. O'Day said that the defense will focus on the woman's story and try to find even the smallest inconsistencies.

He would track down anyone that she confided in and compare what they were told.

More than that, the alleged victim must also be prepared to have her entire history -- both sexual and psychological -- torn apart.

"He can bring up almost everything he can to show her character or ability to tell the truth," Mr. O'Day said. "In the civil realm, you don't have rape shield laws."

(I hope Ben's lawyer plays defense like Taz and Silverback do and rips McNutty apart. - mesa)

The alleged victim likely won't have the same opportunity to turn the tables on Mr. Roethlisberger for any prior bad acts, unless there is a criminal conviction out there.

Another significant question for the case, Ms. Roberto said, is how the woman allegedly ended up in Mr. Roethlisberger's room.

According to the lawsuit, he complained that the sound system on the television in his room wasn't working properly, and he asked her to fix it.

"If she can corroborate why she went to the room, that would be helpful to her," Ms. Roberto said.

Otherwise, that question, too, will turn on credibility.

On that count, Mr. Roethlisberger has an automatic edge.

"Most sexual assault victims feel like no one's going to believe them in the first place," Mr. Clune said. "When you talk about someone who's a star athlete, that's got to be all the more intensified."
Paula Reed Ward can be reached at pward@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2620.
First published on July 25, 2009 at 12:00 am

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09206/986387-66.stm#ixzz0MH5QTNHu

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Multiple defendants called good strategy
Saturday, July 25, 2009
Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

It is a good legal strategy for the woman accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault to have named as defendants a number of fellow employees at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Resort.

Several lawyers said that by including multiple defendants, it increases the woman's chances of recovering some money in damages. (The only reason this lawsuit was filed. - mesa)

"It's more pockets to get into, potentially," said local attorney Michael O'Day. "You just throw a huge net out there and figure eventually, someone's going to pay you."

(There is something seriously wrong with our system that we permit this tactic to work. Ben has the resources to defend himself but these other folks are just ordinary middle class people. They are going to have their lives destroyed trying to pay for their defense. This McNutty female is evil. mesa)

Besides naming Mr. Roethlisberger, the woman also filed claims against the hotel's president, chief of security, vice president of human resources and employee relations manager, among others. There are a total of nine named defendants.

The civil suit spells out a number of claims in addition to sexual assault, such as intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy and defamation.

What he expects could happen is that one or two defendants who feel they are at risk by going to trial will instead agree to settle.

"Someone's going to break down and pay." (This is wrong. - mesa)

George Bochanis, a long-time plaintiff's attorney in Las Vegas, said there's a good reason why the woman did not name the Harrah's hotel chain.

Under state law in Nevada, a person is precluded from suing her employer unless she can show there was specific intent to injure.

"She would have to prove deliberate, wanton, malicious, purposeful behavior to prevail on punitive damages," Mr. Bochanis said. "It's more than just negligence."
First published on July 25, 2009 at 12:00 am

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09206/986388-66.stm#ixzz0MH7TmxIs

fansince'76
07-25-2009, 07:58 AM
"There are many much easier ways to make money than putting yourself through a civil trial and falsely accusing someone of a violent crime," she said.

$440K+, especially when the accuser is more than likely banking on it never going that far and settling out of court? Do tell, because I'd like to hear it, as I've apparently been doing things wrong my whole life. :coffee:

AllD
07-25-2009, 08:19 AM
If it gets anywhere near a courtroom, I guarantee she will do an Oscar performance of some fabricated story complete with tears.

I have personal experience with being stalked by a lunatic and even though I was not in the room with those two I can tell you it smells like they had consentual sex and he blew her off after she came back for seconds or thirds.

What BB has going for him is that it is easy to tell when a woman lies. The most telling sign of when a woman lies is when she opens her mouth.

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 08:35 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aje.nqSQ6YAF8YWes1ET4bST2bYF?slug=ap-roethlisbergerlawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns
Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer Jul 24, 5:21 pm EDT

RENO, Nev. (AP)—The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger(notes) of raping her last summer will have a difficult time convincing a judge and jury she was assaulted in the star quarterback’s penthouse hotel room partly because she never reported it to police and waited a year to file a civil lawsuit.

Several lawyers and legal scholars say the 31-year-old employee of Harrah’s Lake Tahoe hotel has the added chore of taking on a casino in Nevada, where the gambling industry wields considerable clout.

But she may have a chance of winning an out-of-court settlement from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback known as “Big Ben” because millions of dollars in endorsements are at stake for the two-time Super Bowl winner, legal observers say. (It's total BULLSH*T if McNutty wins any money at all. - mesa)

“The question they are going to be asked right out of the chute is why did she not file a complaint with the police?” said Dick Gammick, the district attorney for Washoe County in Reno who is not involved in the case.

Cal Dunlap, the woman’s lawyer, who is the former Washoe County district attorney, has refused to comment. “The entire matter will be tried in court and not in the media,” he told AP on Friday. (That's crap, this whole trial we be tried in the media. - mesa)

The woman, an executive VIP casino host at Harrah’s at the time, said in the lawsuit that Roethlisberger lured her to his room under false pretenses and raped her during a celebrity golf tournament last summer. She’s seeking a minimum of $490,000 plus punitive damages. The suit filed in Reno last week also accuses Harrah’s officials of covering up the alleged assault and going to great lengths to silence her after she says she reported it the next day to the hotel’s security chief.

Roethlisberger, 27, said Thursday the allegations are “reckless and false.”

“I would never, ever force myself on a woman,” he said, and vowed to fight the claim in the courts.

Harrah’s officials refused to comment.

Scott Freeman, a Reno defense lawyer whose clients have included the infamous Mustang Ranch brothel, said it is “highly unlikely” she will prevail in what shapes up as a he-said, she-said case like the one involving NBA star Kobe Bryant.

“There is no evidence of the alleged sexual assault, other than her saying it,” Freeman said.

(I've got an idea. I'm going to say McNutty raped me and sue her. - mesa)

In 2003 a 19-year-old employee at a Colorado hotel accused Bryant of raping her, but in that case, the accuser filed a police complaint.

Bryant said the sex was consensual. The charge was dismissed after the woman refused to proceed with the criminal case and an undisclosed settlement was reached.


Deborah Rhode, a professor at Stanford Law School who specializes in sex and the law, said that in addition to apparently not having any evidence, the accuser has no witnesses, a history of depression and some “obvious financial motives—none of which makes her a very appealing complainant.”

“That said, it may well have happened. There are certainly more than enough examples of factual settings like this where celebrity athletes feel entitled,” she said. “But that is not going to win a case.”

Freeman said Roethlisberger’s play at the tournament again last week “would be consistent with innocence.” The 6-foot-5, 240-pound first-round draft pick out of Miami of Ohio in 2004 appeared on the cover of the tourney’s 20th anniversary commemorative program with Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and John Elway.

“He wasn’t in hiding,” Freeman said.

David Houston, a Reno lawyer whose high profile clients include Hulk Hogan and Joe Francis of “Girls Gone Wild” fame, said a court victory is doubtful, but a settlement is probable.

“Anytime you put famous athletes in the gun sights they start to lose endorsements, the public relation teams get involved and crisis management takes over,” he said. “You start computing dollars for every day it goes on and at some point everybody starts talking about mitigation rather than did he do it or not.” (I hope Ben hangs tough and doesn't give this McNutty scum a dime. - mesa)

Roethlisberger signed an eight-year contract extension worth $102 million in 2008. He also is earning at least $2.5 million annually in endorsements, Sports Illustrated reported last month.

The lawsuit says the woman didn’t go to the sheriff because she feared Harrah’s would side with the sports star, who is a friend of the hotel-casino’s regional president John Koster, and she would be fired.

She said when she reported the alleged assault to Harrah’s security chief, he told her she was “over reacting,” that “most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger” and that “Koster would love you even more if he knew about this.”

The lawsuit said that from August to December she was treated at five hospitals for depression and anxiety stemming from the alleged assault, and returned to work each time after treatment.

Houston said her medical records will be admissible because she made her treatment an issue in the lawsuit.

“The big question is when she first checked in (to the hospital) did her medical records show that she said ‘I got raped by Ben and that’s why I’m here?”’ he said. “If she didn’t share a true medical diagnostic from the start, I think she’s going to be sunk.” (McNutty could have planned this from the beginning or this pschyo could have convinced herself that she was raped when it never happened. - mesa)

The suit claims Harrah’s security chief gained the trust of her parents while she was hospitalized and persuaded them to give him a key to her home. It said the chief and others entered her home and erased data from her computer and confiscated it.

“It’s a very unusual case because she is accusing not just Roethlisberger of rape but also Harrah’s of orchestrating a conspiracy, sneaking into her room a la Watergate to erase and destroy evidence,” said Jason Maloney, vice president of Levick Strategic Communications, a Washington D.C.-based “crisis communication” consulting firm for athletes and entertainers. “Is it true? It could be true. It is definitely bizarre.”

Maloney said the statement Roethlisberger made Thursday was “unusually strong.”

“It’s something you don’t often see in a lot of cases like this. Athletes mishandle this sort of thing all the time. I think it is a sign of a confident defendant,” he said.

Reno lawyer Ken McKenna represented a profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfiltertail waitress at Harrah’s Reno who challenged the company’s policy requiring women to wear makeup while on duty—a case that went to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals before she lost in 2006.

“It is difficult for the employee to go up against the big employers, especially the gaming employers in the state of Nevada, no question about it” he said, recalling the difficulty he had in persuading any of the woman’s co-workers to come forward with evidence. “They fear retaliation.”

Houston said alleged sexual assault victims traditionally have won sympathy from juries, especially in civil cases where the burden of proof is “clear and convincing” evidence, unlike a criminal case where the guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

But he said that has changed in recent years “because people are so conditioned to watching celebrities be hit by folks who just want to get into their pocket—especially after Kobe Bryant and the Duke lacrosse team.”

McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

“The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer.”

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 08:46 AM
Bires: Surreal World, Pittsburgh
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2009/07/23/sports/doc4a692fd883e14867961334.txt

By Mike Bires
Times Sports Staff

Published: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:52 PM EDT
PITTSBURGH — What a surreal day it was at Steelers’ headquarters as Ben Roethlisberger made a passionate claim of innocence between practice sessions for a reality TV show.

Seldom, if ever, has the franchise experienced anything like this.

Around 12:30 Thursday afternoon, Roethlisberger made his way to the indoor practice field to prepare for tonight’s taping of the “Shaq Vs.” show. Dressed in a black workout jersey and black shorts, it looked like Roethlisberger didn’t have a care in the world.

But at 2 p.m. when he showed up in the media room, he looked like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Understandably so, he is being sued for sexual assault.

With a host of media on hand, most of them news reporters and newscasters and not members of sporting press that typically cover the Steelers, Roethlisberger delivered a prepared statement.

He was intense, disappointed and angry at the serious accusations against him. He showed all of those emotions in his very first sentence: “I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty.”

On national TV — ESPN was broadcasting Roethlisberger’s statement live — the defendant immediately named his accuser. Many media outlets have not yet mentioned McNulty’s name in covering this shocking story.

Now dressed in a gray, pin-striped suit but not wearing a tie, Roethlisberger spoke for about a minute. Standing behind him in somber poses were coach Mike Tomlin, personnel director Kevin Colbert, David Cornwell, the attorney representing Roethlisberger, and Ryan Tollner, Roethlisberger’s agent.

None of them fielded questions. At the conclusion of his statement as he walked away from the podium, Roethlisberger didn’t acknowledge a newscaster who yelled out, “Ben, did you have any sexual relations with the woman?”

Within minutes, Roethlisberger was back in his black jersey and shorts, ready to practice with members of the Pittsburgh Colts semi-pro team for tonight’s filming of the “Shaq Vs.” show.

And just a few minutes after Roethlisberger left the media room, in walked the big man himself, Shaquille O’Neal.

Before joining Roethlisberger at practice, the 7-foot-1 giant attended to a business matter with a small entourage of ABC staffers and personal handlers huddled around him. There was one guy who even massaged Shaq’s neck as he listened to a web site executive give his spiel.

Then after 15 minutes or so, O’Neal ambled over to the practice field to prepare for his “Shaq Vs.” showdown against Roethlisberger.

In many ways, it was a frivolous day at Steeler headquarters.

Two of sports’ true superstars were getting ready for yet another off-the-wall reality TV show.

But between all the fun, a budding Steelers legend took an emotional stand against a charge of sexual assault.

Indeed, it was a bizarre day.

Mike Bires can be reached online at mbires@timesonline.com

BEN’S STATEMENT

“I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty. Saturday was the first that I learned of her accusations. Her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. I would never ever force myself on a woman. I’m going to fight to protect my family and my reputation.

“I am not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. I’ll respond to these outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum.

“I have an obligation to our fans, to my teammates, to my coaches and everyone in the organization to remain focused on the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I will do that.

“The allegations against me are reckless and false. As much as I would like to answer everyone’s questions, I’m going to respect the legal process and I am confident that the truth will prevail. Thank you.”

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 10:15 AM
I'm no lawyer, but the first gaping whole in her story and the one that really has been bothering me is that she claims to have told someone, head of security or her boss or who ever, that Ben assaulted her. She claims they told her she was overreacting and said that most women would feel lucky to have had sex with someone like Ben. In other words, if she had sex with Ben on the clock, that was fine with them....huh? Sex on the clock with a customer and no consequence. Not time off without pay...not fired.

Sex on the clock is part of the concierge service now? I've been staying at the wrong hotels.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 10:23 AM
I'm no lawyer, but the first gaping whole in her story and the one that really has been bothering me is that she claims to have told someone, head of security or her boss or who ever, that Ben assaulted her. She claims they told her she was overreacting and said that most women would feel lucky to have had sex with someone like Ben. In other words, if she had sex with Ben on the clock, that was fine with them....huh? Sex on the clock with a customer and no consequence. Not time off without pay...not fired.

Sex on the clock is part of the concierge service now? I've been staying at the wrong hotels.
i had something similar happen at a company i worked at. our director got caught having sex in his office with one of our supervisiors(both were married), they both got moved to other depts, she got divorced and ended up marrying him, bc his wife all of sudden died.

stiller, you bring up a good point about that. i hadnt thought of it.

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 10:25 AM
I'm no lawyer, but the first gaping whole in her story and the one that really has been bothering me is that she claims to have told someone, head of security or her boss or who ever, that Ben assaulted her. She claims they told her she was overreacting and said that most women would feel lucky to have had sex with someone like Ben. In other words, if she had sex with Ben on the clock, that was fine with them....huh? Sex on the clock with a customer and no consequence. Not time off without pay...not fired.

Sex on the clock is part of the concierge service now? I've been staying at the wrong hotels. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:\

Good point. I've got to find me one of these resorts. Oh wait it's in Nevada and cathouses are legal out side of Vegas. Maybe it was just part of the service and Ben didn't tip her enough. No, I'm not being serious, but it does put a different light on the subject.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 10:36 AM
i am sure his atty will be asking the same question, why are you having sex while on the clock?

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 10:39 AM
I've got Hines on tweeter and he did some live Q&A yesterday from those following him, but he didn't mention Ben other than an earlier post, which I quote "ts crazy what some people will say to get money! I hope none of you people believe my teammate would do something so wrong. cause he didnt."

BTW, Hines is feeling very good this offseason too! Claiming to be great shape, which I am sure he is.

Can you post the link to Hine's Twitter account? I'd much rather read what Hines has to say than Homey the Clown's yo mama ramblings. :chuckle:

Edit: I found it...I set up to follow but I really don't understand the whole twitter thing.

PalmerSteel
07-25-2009, 10:41 AM
you could tell ben was so fired up in that press conference it was taking everything he had from finding that piece of trash and slapping some sense in her.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 10:42 AM
you could tell ben was so fired up in that press conference it was taking everything he had from finding that piece of trash and slapping some sense in her.
i am sure for a nice steak dinner, harrison and woodley would do it for him :chuckle:

SteelersinCA
07-25-2009, 12:27 PM
I thought hospitals were under some "I have to disclose to the authorities" laws. I know they are for domestic violence and child abuse.

Personally I think the case is made or not made in the lawsuit against Harrah's. There will most definitely be records of the conversations or something with the plaintiff if what she says is true. I would be interested to find out if they really put her on 2 weeks of paid leave when Ben came back this year.

Hot Stuff Nick Sterno
07-25-2009, 01:54 PM
I just came to the board, so I haven't read all 69 pages, but my wife also brought up something. If you recall, she supposedly told Ben, "I'm not on birth control." Who the bleep does that if they're being raped? I don't know that any woman would at that point.

Another thing that a Stiller fan brought up on footballguys.com forum is that he works in a casino and that the timing of her allegations are such that there would be no video evidence, and as such there wouldn't be any way to disprove her allegation. He said that casinos and the surrounding area are videoed up and there are logs for everything. If something like that went down, security would be notified and they'd start checking cameras.

Hot Stuff Nick Sterno
07-25-2009, 01:56 PM
Another Stiller fan got these from Adam Shefter's twitter:

I don't say this because I will be working for ESPN. But over time, its decision on how to handle Big Ben story will be proven 100% correct. about 3 hours ago from web

Let's just say that sometimes there are things you hear and know, and the things I'm hearing and knowing look very good for Ben .about 3 hours ago from web

jasonhightower
07-25-2009, 01:57 PM
Can you post the link to Hine's Twitter account? I'd much rather read what Hines has to say than Homey the Clown's yo mama ramblings. :chuckle:

Edit: I found it...I set up to follow but I really don't understand the whole twitter thing.

Once you've added him you can turn on mobile devices so you get a text message whenever he tweets something. That's what I do so I see it in realtime and I don't need to get on a computer to see it.

BTW, I've also started following Peter King and Adam Schefter to get some camp updates.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 01:58 PM
I just came to the board, so I haven't read all 69 pages, but my wife also brought up something. If you recall, she supposedly told Ben, "I'm not on birth control." Who the bleep does that if they're being raped? I don't know that any woman would at that point.
i am pretty sure that if you are being raped, yelling that out isnt a main priority, you are probably more worried about other things.

Hot Stuff Nick Sterno
07-25-2009, 02:00 PM
i am pretty sure that if you are being raped, yelling that out isnt a main priority, you are probably more worried about other things.

Agreed...that's my point. No woman screams that out. Usually, what comes out is, "HELP".

Galax Steeler
07-25-2009, 02:39 PM
I just came to the board, so I haven't read all 69 pages, but my wife also brought up something. If you recall, she supposedly told Ben, "I'm not on birth control." Who the bleep does that if they're being raped? I don't know that any woman would at that point.

Another thing that a Stiller fan brought up on footballguys.com forum is that he works in a casino and that the timing of her allegations are such that there would be no video evidence, and as such there wouldn't be any way to disprove her allegation. He said that casinos and the surrounding area are videoed up and there are logs for everything. If something like that went down, security would be notified and they'd start checking cameras.

Everything she is saying is false aligations. She is not telling the truth there is to many holes in her story. She is just a sleze bag looking for a payday in my opinion.

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Everything she is saying is false aligations. She is not telling the truth there is to many holes in her story. She is just a sleze bag looking for a payday in my opinion.

I know a money grubbing ho bag when I see one. :coffee:

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 03:20 PM
I know a money grubbing ho bag when I see one. :coffee:
you arent talking about me??lol:chuckle:.

you are right, this has money extortion all over it.

AllD
07-25-2009, 03:31 PM
All BB has to do is get a mowhawk haircut and guarantee a Super Bowl victory this season and he will unofficially be the most controversial QB since Jim McMahon and Joe Namath.

HometownGal
07-25-2009, 03:52 PM
you arent talking about me??lol:chuckle:.



You aren't a money grubber. :chuckle:

From the reading I've done about Ben's attorney, David Cornwell, Ms. Toucan Sammette is going to be chewed up and spit out like liver and onions. :tt03:

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 03:56 PM
You aren't a money grubber. :chuckle:

From the reading I've done about Ben's attorney, David Cornwell, Ms. Toucan Sammette is going to be chewed up and spit out like liver and onions. :tt03:
no i am not.

i hope you are right HTG, not only will she have to deal with the wrath of ben's atty, but the wrath of steeler nation.. i guess she better go back to canada where its a little safer :wink02:

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 03:58 PM
From the reading I've done about Ben's attorney, David Cornwell, Ms. Toucan Sammette is going to be chewed up and spit out like liver and onions. :tt03:


That is music to my ears, HTG!

She sounds like a very disturbed woman and this makes it even harder for the ones that really get assaulted. Ben is just lucky he got served with papers is instead of a bullet like Steve McNair. Nutcases are coming out of the owwodwork.

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Plus, apparantly, according to her, it was ok with her employer that she had sex while on company time. Lucky girl, indeed! Sex at work with Big Ben and they were willing to pay her wages!

I really need to look for a job like that. :chuckle:

HometownGal
07-25-2009, 04:31 PM
That is music to my ears, HTG!

She sounds like a very disturbed woman and this makes it even harder for the ones that really get assaulted. Ben is just lucky he got served with papers is instead of a bullet like Steve McNair. Nutcases are coming out of the owwodwork.

Aint that the truth?

I can sniff out an AW-ing hoochie a mile away and this chick fits the bill to a T.

Plus, apparantly, according to her, it was ok with her employer that she had sex while on company time. Lucky girl, indeed! Sex at work with Big Ben and they're ok with paying her!

I really need to look for a job like that.

Well - we could apply for jobs with the Steelers FO and take turns introducing Danny to "cougarism". :chuckle:

Preacher
07-25-2009, 04:36 PM
I thought hospitals were under some "I have to disclose to the authorities" laws. I know they are for domestic violence and child abuse. .

Nope... That is called mandated reporter laws. I looked it up a while ago for Nevada. The issue is that the victim has to mentally incapacitated or physically incapacitated, or one of more issues which challenge that (or something like that).

In other words, a mandated reporter has to report on abuse of a child (if they are working with them), an elderly adult (if they are working with them) or a handicapped person (handicapped in any way shape or form).

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Well - we could apply for jobs with the Steelers FO and take turns introducing Danny to "cougarism".

grrrrrrrrrrowwwwwwwwwllllllllll!!!!

HometownGal
07-25-2009, 04:45 PM
grrrrrrrrrrowwwwwwwwwllllllllll!!!!

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

http://media2.tbo.com/mediamanager/2009/apr/04/7874_cougar.orig-max-640x640.jpg

triphahn
07-25-2009, 05:16 PM
I have been reading the testimony against Ben and the replys from others on this sight. It seems to be clear that her story is not very solid and I think I found an error in her statement.

She claims Ben got her into his room by calling and saying the sound on his TV was broken. She says when she got there it was not broken and this is when he blocked her exit and raped her.

Here is the problem. She also says the only reason she went to his room was because she could not find a technician. Ben did not ask that she come to his room to fix the TV.

If the broken TV was just an excuse to get her to his room he would have specifically requested she come up. What is the point if a tech comes up to fix a TV that is not broken.

It sounds like she was in his room but is definately lying about why she was there. He did not trick her into coming to his room.

Her story is BS.

mesaSteeler
07-25-2009, 05:48 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if McNutty disabled the TV sound herself while Ben was out playing golf.

millwalldavey
07-25-2009, 06:41 PM
If anyone is at camp, i may unveil my BEN IS INNOCENT t-shirt.

Godfather
07-25-2009, 06:52 PM
I'm no lawyer, but the first gaping whole in her story and the one that really has been bothering me is that she claims to have told someone, head of security or her boss or who ever, that Ben assaulted her. She claims they told her she was overreacting and said that most women would feel lucky to have had sex with someone like Ben. In other words, if she had sex with Ben on the clock, that was fine with them....huh? Sex on the clock with a customer and no consequence. Not time off without pay...not fired.

Sex on the clock is part of the concierge service now? I've been staying at the wrong hotels.

The part of her story I don't get is saying she told her supervisor immediately and he told her not to go to po-po.

I can't see that happening because at that point she would still have all the physical evidence. And if they fire her for going to the police she owns the casino.

Vis
07-25-2009, 07:32 PM
The part of her story I don't get is saying she told her supervisor immediately and he told her not to go to po-po.

I can't see that happening because at that point she would still have all the physical evidence. And if they fire her for going to the police she owns the casino.

That's the physical evidence of sex, not rape.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Well - we could apply for jobs with the Steelers FO and take turns introducing Danny to "cougarism". :chuckle:
that might not be a good idea. we do need him on the field to practice.. you two would probably wear him out :wink02:

and then again, he may be into older women :wink02:

HometownGal
07-25-2009, 07:40 PM
and then again, he may be into older women :wink02:

He may be into "experience", no head games and no "whoops - you're going to be a Daddy" which we "older women" can offer. :flap::wink02:

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 07:52 PM
He may be into "experience", no head games and no "whoops - you're going to be a Daddy" which we "older women" can offer. :flap::wink02:
that is true. 'experienced' women are mature and dont need to play head games or you're going to be a daddy..lol

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 08:11 PM
that is true. 'experienced' women are mature and dont need to play head games or you're going to be a daddy..lol

Well, I'm glad there's one advantage to being OLD. :wink02:

steel striker
07-25-2009, 08:14 PM
I know in the end Ben will win in court and, it is a shame that he has to go through this BS. That woman is a total nutjob and, someday karma is going to get her.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Well, I'm glad there's one advantage to being OLD. :wink02:
yeah, you have already had your children and they are grown and now you can play :chuckle:

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 09:54 PM
i found this post on another board and wondered about what i highlighted:

interesting he didn't deny having sex with her he just denied sexually assaulting her. he and he's lawyers dont know what kind of evidence she may have (semen samples or what not)...this will be the ultimate he said she said case. the fact there is no criminal case does damage her credibility...he'll get the best defense money can buy. interesting to see how this plays out.

would you really have a semen sample a year later?

stillers4me
07-25-2009, 09:55 PM
i found this post on another board and wondered about what i highlighted:

interesting he didn't deny having sex with her he just denied sexually assaulting her. he and he's lawyers dont know what kind of evidence she may have (semen samples or what not)...this will be the ultimate he said she said case. the fact there is no criminal case does damage her credibility...he'll get the best defense money can buy. interesting to see how this plays out.

would you really have a semen sample a year later?

If she did, she would have filed a criminal case.

She said Ben lured her into his room. Didn't he simply request for a technician to fix his TV? She claims to have tried to find one but none answered her call. Is there record of her requesting assistance for him? He never requested her specifically. He was expecting a maintanance person. She expects everyone to believe that she appeared in his room (even though he had no idea it would be her), and within seconds, Ben was in sexual frenzy and was fondling her.

Unless he really had the hots for Larry the Cable guy and seeing her instead, grabbed her and said, "you'll have to do." :chuckle:

Sorry, ain't buying the story, bitch.

TackleMeBen
07-25-2009, 10:00 PM
good point stillers. i was just reading post and that caught my attention and got me thinking about it.

someone posted this, and i couldnt help but sort of laugh at it.
some girls are crazy like that...look at bill clinton, a freakin dress proved he lied.

Riddle_Of_Steel
07-25-2009, 10:18 PM
that is true. 'experienced' women are mature and dont need to play head games or you're going to be a daddy..lol

Heck ya!!! I'll take a hot, curvy MILF over some 18 YO tart that I have to train, anyday.

Gnutella
07-25-2009, 11:31 PM
I'd like to nominate a theme song for Ben Roethlisberger this season:

"99 Problems" - Jay-Z

If you're havin' girl problems I feel bad for you, son / I've got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one...

MasterOfPuppets
07-25-2009, 11:55 PM
I'd like to nominate a theme song for Ben Roethlisberger this season:

"99 Problems" - Jay-Z

If you're havin' girl problems I feel bad for you, son / I've got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one... or better yet...AC / DC - Dirty Deeds...
" ya got a lady and you want her gone , but you ain't got the guts ..."

Gnutella
07-26-2009, 12:44 AM
I posted this on a different message board...

How NOT to handle the aftermath of an alleged sex-related crime:

1. Do NOT file a criminal complaint under any circumstances.
2. Do NOT seek the help of anybody outside of your workplace.
3. Do NOT go to the hospital to get a rape kit done.
4. Do NOT preserve any evidence whatsoever.
5. Entrust those who you believe are conspiring against you with a key to your home.
6. If said conspirators are your coworkers, do NOT bother looking for another job.
7. Wait as long as possible before filing a civil complaint.

Following these seven steps will ensure that either a) you'll NEVER get retribution if you really were raped, or b) the reputation of the person you're accusing will be unnecessarily damaged.

steelreserve
07-26-2009, 04:30 AM
Plus, apparantly, according to her, it was ok with her employer that she had sex while on company time. Lucky girl, indeed! Sex at work with Big Ben and they were willing to pay her wages!

I really need to look for a job like that. :chuckle:

I don't think I'd like a job where I had sex at work with Big Ben.

slashsteel
07-26-2009, 08:40 AM
See ...


maybe if two people are in a room messing around and a guy doesn't stop when he should. Maybe that might be more believable. But for a superstar QB, in a city known for allowing and providing escorts, to pre-plan a rape? In pre planning a crime you have time to choose between right and wrong. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. ( Not that anything excuses rape it doesn't) ( Keep in mind to me rapist are lower than pond scum)

She is saying Big Ben pre-planned a rape. You must be out of your fricken mind woman! NO way in hell would I ever give 1% of credibility in regards to this specific allegation.

People want to throw this and that out there in regards to rapists tendencies. I am more concerned with Ben's tendencies. He has shown nothing but good intentions on and off th field.

So to peace the puzzle all together, tells me this crazy mofo deserves every bit of criticism that comes her way.


Steelers fans
we stand behind
Big Ben
we believe
in that
this Civil case
he'll win

I hope Ben
counter sues !
character defamation
when you
f**k with Big Ben
you f**k with a Nation

TackleMeBen
07-26-2009, 09:10 AM
those song made me think of that song by kayne west... gold digger, i seen it last night on VH1..

stillers4me
07-26-2009, 10:25 AM
How could he have planned to rape when he asked for a tv technician and had no idea it would be her that came into the room?


Oh yeah...Ben conspired with the entire maintanance staff to not answer her calls so she would have to be the one to go to his room. :willy:

mesaSteeler
07-26-2009, 10:32 AM
Woman responsible for loss of anonymity
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_635353.html
By Eric Heyl, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, July 26, 2009
Last updated: 6:22 am
About the writer

Eric Heyl is a Tribune-Review staff writer. He can be reached via e-mail or 412-320-7857.

The civil complaint doesn't just accuse Ben Roethlisberger of a heinous and despicable act.

It also labels him a slob.

That curious assertion sticks out in the 36-page lawsuit that accuses the Steelers' star quarterback of sexually assaulting a woman in a Nevada hotel room in July 2008.

It sticks out because the lawsuit alleging the rape devotes nearly the same amount of space to Roethlisberger's housekeeping skills as it does addressing why the woman has yet to notify police.

Despite having allegedly suffered an attack that supposedly triggered a nervous breakdown, she has yet to notify police more than a year later.

The lack of any criminal complaint, the lack of a criminal investigation into the alleged incident, was a reason some news professionals cited in identifying the woman who filed the lawsuit.

She is 31 and was working as VIP concierge at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino, when, according to the lawsuit, Roethlisberger forced himself on her in his hotel room. Roethlisberger has vehemently denied the allegations.

The Trib's policy is not to identify people who allege sexual assault. But if you have been following the story at all since it broke Tuesday, you probably already know her name.

Local TV stations KDKA, WPXI and WTAE identified her, as have ESPN and other national news and sports services. TMZ, the celebrity gossip Web site, has even posted pictures of her.

It's difficult to fault any media outlet for not affording the woman some privacy.

A review of the lawsuit reveals one sentence each is devoted to explain both the untidy state of Roethlisberger's room and the woman's reluctance to call the cops following the alleged incident.

On Roethlisberger's room: "It was a mess."

On not pursuing criminal charges: "(Plaintiff) was afraid of the consequences of reporting it to police authorities, since it was obvious to her that Harrah's and its personnel ... would side and support Roethlisberger."

The fear of pursuing a civil lawsuit seeking unspecified financial damages obviously wasn't nearly as intense.

The danger in her taking that route while ignoring the rather obvious tack of going to the police is that it fosters a disturbing implication: That this woman isn't interested in seeing Big Ben incarcerated so much as she is having him write her a large check.

She also invites a belief that she perhaps is trivializing the horrifying and life-altering nature of rape by framing it more as a catalyst to a business transaction rather than a jail-worthy criminal offense.

Criminal complaints being much more serious matters than civil ones, the woman probably would not have been named in most news accounts had she gone to the police.

No one took away her anonymity. When she filed the civil suit, she surrendered it.

TackleMeBen
07-26-2009, 10:38 AM
can you imagine, if and when someone finds out her actual address and post it all over the internet(people are crazy enough to do it), if she wanted anonymity, then she should have tried to go after the local plumber, not a high profile athlete...

i hate stupid women!:banging:

Preacher
07-26-2009, 11:41 AM
Great Article....

So any woman who claims rape... If it took them too long to go to the police (which 95+ percent of rapes are NOT reported), surrender their right anonymity... IF they claim rape against a celebrity.

Its no wonder rape is never reported. Who would EVER want to go through this?

This is trial be media, and SHE is the defendant.

7SteelGal43
07-26-2009, 12:03 PM
Preacher, I hate to say it sounds like you've turned on Ben, but...........

Lookit, If there weren't so many holes in her story, I'd be adapting a "wait and see" attitude along with 99% of the other Steeler fans on the board. But let's review, shall we ? She waits a year. ONE YEAR. Sure, some rape victims are not willing to go to the police, however, she supposedly told her coworkers and supervisors about it the night of the alleged incident. Therefore not showing any signs of clamming up due to shock. Also, if he was wanting to lure her to his room, he wouldn't call with some excuse that would by nature have a maintenace MAN sent to his room. Anyone would assume a maintenance worker would show up, not the concierge. It would be sad to throw her under the bus because of hero worship most of us have towards Ben. But in light of her stories being full of crap, It's ok to go ahead and jump on the "support Ben" bandwagon. That doesn't mean we are not sympathetic to rape victims. But in this instance, for the purposes of this thread, it has to do with THIS case. with Ben, his accuser, and what are becoming more and more apparently false claims. I'm sorry, but most of us here on SF cannot feel sympathy for Ms Mcnulty. She is most assuredly NOT the victim here. LONG LIVE BIG BEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

steeldawg
07-26-2009, 12:37 PM
why would a casino host go to someones room to fix a tv dont they have maintence for that

steeldawg
07-26-2009, 12:39 PM
and no i dont believe kobe raped that chick either.

SteelCityMom
07-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Great Article....

So any woman who claims rape... If it took them too long to go to the police (which 95+ percent of rapes are NOT reported), surrender their right anonymity... IF they claim rape against a celebrity.

Its no wonder rape is never reported. Who would EVER want to go through this?

This is trial be media, and SHE is the defendant.


No, it doesn't mean that any woman who claims rape and took too long to go to the police surrender their right to anonymity. And it has nothing to do with the fact that she's claiming rape against a celebrity. It's the fact that Civil Complaints are available for public viewing. She and her lawyers knew this going into it.

I'm not in any position to claim whether this really happened or not. Only two people in the world will EVER know if this happened or not. Her failure to file a criminal complaint made sure of that. The one thing I find disturbing, on many levels, is that she seems to be fine with what she claims to be a rapist walking free, as long as she gets a settlement out of it. I've just never heard of any woman filing JUST a civil complaint against her supposed rapist. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Another point (that may have been addressed already in this thread, I haven't read the whole thing) that she is already aware of, is that if Harrah's settles with her out of court (which is a good possibility), this whole thing goes away and Ben doesn't have to worry about an out of court settlement or a trial. If Harrah's settles out of court, no "evidence" that she had about the supposed conspiracy would be admissible in court and the "he said/she said" case would immediately be thrown out. Kind of bizarre if you really think about it.

steeldawg
07-26-2009, 01:57 PM
i just read the civil suit she filed and it sounds to crazy to be true....a few things struck me as strange..before she went to his room she couldnt contact her supervisor because she was in the night club she tried to call engineering but nobody was there. These nice hotels that cater to celebs i think are run a little better than this.....then after he rapes her and lets her get up she doesnt run out of the room instead she goes into the bathroom and washes her face...then when she comes out of the bathroom ben says there are cameras on this room aren't there and she says there are cameras everywhere..if ben thought there were cameras on the room why would he rape her in the room...then the rest is a giant conspiracy theory........This story iscrazy

El-Gonzo Jackson
07-26-2009, 02:33 PM
RENO, Nev. -- The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger of raping her last summer will have a difficult time convincing a judge and jury she was assaulted in the star quarterback's penthouse hotel room partly because she never reported it to police and waited a year to file a civil lawsuit.

Several lawyers and legal scholars say the 31-year-old employee of Harrah's Lake Tahoe hotel has the added chore of taking on a casino in Nevada, where the gambling industry wields considerable clout.

But she might have a chance of winning an out-of-court settlement from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback known as "Big Ben" because millions of dollars in endorsements are at stake for the two-time Super Bowl winner, legal observers say.

"The question they are going to be asked right out of the chute is why did she not file a complaint with the police?" said Dick Gammick, the district attorney for Washoe County in Reno who is not involved in the case.

• Harsh denial from Big Ben

Cal Dunlap, the woman's lawyer, who is the former Washoe County district attorney, has refused to comment. "The entire matter will be tried in court and not in the media," he told AP on Friday.

The woman, an executive VIP casino host at Harrah's at the time, said in the lawsuit that Roethlisberger lured her to his room under false pretenses and raped her during a celebrity golf tournament last summer. She's seeking a minimum of $490,000 plus punitive damages. The suit filed in Reno last week also accuses Harrah's officials of covering up the alleged assault and going to great lengths to silence her after she says she reported it the next day to the hotel's security chief.

Roethlisberger, 27, said Thursday the allegations are "reckless and false."

"I would never, ever force myself on a woman," he said, and vowed to fight the claim in the courts.

Harrah's officials refused to comment.

Scott Freeman, a Reno defense lawyer whose clients have included the infamous Mustang Ranch brothel, said it is "highly unlikely" she will prevail in what shapes up as a he-said, she-said case like the one involving NBA star Kobe Bryant.

"There is no evidence of the alleged sexual assault, other than her saying it," Freeman said.

In 2003 a 19-year-old employee at a Colorado hotel accused Bryant of raping her, but in that case, the accuser filed a police complaint.

Bryant said the sex was consensual. The charge was dismissed after the woman refused to proceed with the criminal case and an undisclosed settlement was reached.

Deborah Rhode, a professor at Stanford Law School who specializes in sex and the law, said that in addition to apparently not having any evidence, the accuser has no witnesses, a history of depression and some "obvious financial motives -- none of which makes her a very appealing complainant."

"That said, it may well have happened. There are certainly more than enough examples of factual settings like this where celebrity athletes feel entitled," she said. "But that is not going to win a case."

Freeman said Roethlisberger's play at the tournament again last week "would be consistent with innocence." The 6-foot-5, 240-pound first-round draft pick out of Miami (Ohio) in 2004 appeared on the cover of the tourney's 20th anniversary commemorative program with Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and John Elway.

"He wasn't in hiding," Freeman said.

David Houston, a Reno lawyer whose high-profile clients include Hulk Hogan and Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild fame, said a court victory is doubtful, but a settlement is probable.

"Anytime you put famous athletes in the gun sights they start to lose endorsements, the public relation teams get involved and crisis management takes over," he said. "You start computing dollars for every day it goes on and at some point everybody starts talking about mitigation rather than did he do it or not."

Roethlisberger signed an eight-year contract extension worth $102 million in 2008. He also is earning at least $2.5 million annually in endorsements, Sports Illustrated reported last month.

The lawsuit says the woman didn't go to the sheriff because she feared Harrah's would side with the sports star, who is a friend of the hotel-casino's regional president John Koster, and she would be fired.

She said when she reported the alleged assault to Harrah's security chief, he told her she was "overreacting," that "most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger" and that "Koster would love you even more if he knew about this."

The lawsuit said that from August to December she was treated at five hospitals for depression and anxiety stemming from the alleged assault, and returned to work each time after treatment.


Houston said her medical records will be admissible because she made her treatment an issue in the lawsuit.

"The big question is when she first checked in [to the hospital] did her medical records show that she said 'I got raped by Ben and that's why I'm here?'" he said. "If she didn't share a true medical diagnostic from the start, I think she's going to be sunk."

The suit claims Harrah's security chief gained the trust of her parents while she was hospitalized and persuaded them to give him a key to her home. It said the chief and others entered her home and erased data from her computer and confiscated it.

"It's a very unusual case because she is accusing not just Roethlisberger of rape but also Harrah's of orchestrating a conspiracy, sneaking into her room a la Watergate to erase and destroy evidence," said Jason Maloney, vice president of Levick Strategic Communications, a Washington D.C.-based "crisis communication" consulting firm for athletes and entertainers. "Is it true? It could be true. It is definitely bizarre."

Maloney said the statement Roethlisberger made Thursday was "unusually strong."

"It's something you don't often see in a lot of cases like this. Athletes mishandle this sort of thing all the time. I think it is a sign of a confident defendant," he said.

Reno lawyer Ken McKenna represented a profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfiltertail waitress at Harrah's Reno who challenged the company's policy requiring women to wear makeup while on duty -- a case that went to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals before she lost in 2006.

"It is difficult for the employee to go up against the big employers, especially the gaming employers in the state of Nevada, no question about it" he said, recalling the difficulty he had in persuading any of the woman's co-workers to come forward with evidence. "They fear retaliation."

Houston said alleged sexual assault victims traditionally have won sympathy from juries, especially in civil cases where the burden of proof is "clear and convincing" evidence, unlike a criminal case where the guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

But he said that has changed in recent years "because people are so conditioned to watching celebrities be hit by folks who just want to get into their pocket -- especially after Kobe Bryant and the Duke lacrosse team."

McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

"The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11982676/cbsnews

stillers4me
07-26-2009, 02:38 PM
McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

Let's hope the judge isn't a Cardinals fan.

Dodt
07-26-2009, 02:43 PM
great read thanks for posting that.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-26-2009, 03:03 PM
http://bndsteelers.blogspot.com/

That is my Steelers blog which posts many of my thoughts on the case, and the new nickname Steelers haters (in my case, Browns fans) have given our quarterback: "Rapistberger".

Feel free to read and comment on it. I also posted the bog on my FanNation blog, under the screen name BigNastyDefense.

MasterOfPuppets
07-26-2009, 03:25 PM
what evidence of "RAPE" could you possably have on your computer ? and how did her coworkers know this evidence resided there ?

BehindSteelCurtain
07-26-2009, 03:40 PM
Another way to think of it is.......... why would Ben need to force himself on a woman?

He's freaking rich

TackleMeBen
07-26-2009, 03:54 PM
Another way to think of it is.......... why would Ben need to force himself on a woman?

He's freaking rich
and not bad looking either.:wink02:

alittlejazzbird
07-26-2009, 03:55 PM
I think when the Harrah's employees file their answer to the complaint, we're going to discover a very different version of events from what the plaintiff claims. You can bet that Ben's attorney is carefully coordinating his defense with the co-defendants' counsel. If it gets to the discovery stage, when documents such as e-mails and other correspondence are required to be produced, we will see a very carefully preserved trail of evidence that will shed a lot of light on whose version of events is accurate.

Personally, I think Ms. McNulty is counting on never getting to that point, and that Ben will pay up in fear of dragging out the proceedings. If Ben is telling the truth about the alleged incident, then I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't pay her a dime in settlement. THAT's the way to send a clear message.

alittlejazzbird
07-26-2009, 04:01 PM
what evidence of "RAPE" could you possably have on your computer ? and how did her coworkers know this evidence resided there ?

She may have e-mailed with friends talking about what happened (or didn't happen) or what she was planning to do. She also may have kept the correspondence between the imaginary Iraq soldier, who was really the wife of the married man she was apparently involved with. When she started making noises about implicating Ben in something, they may have tried to get proof that the story was really about what happened with the married lover, or some other evidence that would shed light on what she was doing, and with whom.

This kind of evidence, if it was erased as she claims, can often be reconstructed through the internet provider.

steelreserve
07-26-2009, 04:14 PM
But she might have a chance of winning an out-of-court settlement from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback known as "Big Ben" because millions of dollars in endorsements are at stake for the two-time Super Bowl winner, legal observers say.
...

Roethlisberger signed an eight-year contract extension worth $102 million in 2008. He also is earning at least $2.5 million annually in endorsements, Sports Illustrated reported last month.

So let me get this straight ... he makes more than $12 million a year playing football, but a sixth of that amount in bonus money is what's going to scare him enough to chuck away his reputation? I'm not terribly convinced about that.

steelreserve
07-26-2009, 04:22 PM
So any woman who claims rape... If it took them too long to go to the police (which 95+ percent of rapes are NOT reported), surrender their right anonymity... IF they claim rape against a celebrity.

Its no wonder rape is never reported. Who would EVER want to go through this?

One thing I never understood ... people all the time say things like "95 percent of rapes are not reported." Well, how can one claim to have any kind of accurate number IF THEY ARE NOT REPORTED? Who's keeping track of all these unofficial rapes, and how? Or are people just guessing, or more likely throwing out shocking numbers to try and give their women's rights group more clout?

Judging by the fact that the current standard that's quoted is 90+ percent -- up from 80 percent around the time of the Kobe case and 66 percent when I was in college -- it seems to indicate to me that nobody really knows, and the "experts" keep inflating the figure to suit their own interests.

Kaeg
07-26-2009, 04:34 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Anbbjq.q10TogN5n_42OpS8dsLYF?slug=ap-roethlisbergerlawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns
I know it's too easy for me to say this because I'm not the one in his position, but I hope he doesn't pay just to get rid of it. I think integrity is worth more than that when you have Ben's money anyway. But I'd understand the viewpoint of just getting rid of the headache.


Edit: This may have been covered in another thread, but I didn't see a referral to this particular article.

steeldawg
07-26-2009, 05:23 PM
lol good point

jasonhightower
07-26-2009, 05:35 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that Harrah's is not a defendent in the case, the employees are as individuals. Just wondering if that will come into play as far as Harrah's getting involved.

onefortheotherhand
07-26-2009, 05:48 PM
the same thing happened to the bus though and no-one thought less of him

SteelCityMom
07-26-2009, 05:56 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that Harrah's is not a defendent in the case, the employees are as individuals. Just wondering if that will come into play as far as Harrah's getting involved.

No Harrah's is not a defendent, but Harrah's is a publicly owned company and they can settle this out of court if they choose too. They've already come out publicly and said they are behind their executives and believe there was no wrong-doing whatsoever. If they wish to get this cleared up quickly and quietly for the sake of the stockholders and SEC, then they very well may settle out of court for their employees.

JackHammer
07-26-2009, 06:04 PM
I doubt Ben will settle. It's odd how the article states that Ben may settle to avoid losing endorsements, and then they follow that up with an article full of reasons why it would be absolutely stupid for him to settle. He has so much going for him right now. There's NO physical evidence proving the alleged rape, and there's an absolute trove of circumstantial evidence pointing to the accuser being a liar with mental issues AND financial motives. Who cares if you lose some of the 2.5 million dollars in endorsements? If you're innocent then take the loses now, and throw it in their faces when you get exonerated. After all, there will always be more endorsements to be had once his name is cleared.

SteelCityMom
07-26-2009, 06:05 PM
Right, same thing happened with Kobe too. The criminal case was dropped cause she wouldn't testify, but he ended up just settling with her out of court to get it over with already.

Sometimes it's cheaper to go that route, even if you are innocent, because it's much easier to get a verdict in your favor in a civil case than in a criminal case.

We'll see though, I hope he doesn't just pay to make her go away either, just because of the principal of the matter, but it's always a possibility. The way he talked in his press conference though, it doesn't seem like he will.

JackHammer
07-26-2009, 06:17 PM
I'll just paste what I put in the other thread:

I doubt Ben will settle. It's odd how the article states that Ben may settle to avoid losing endorsements, and then they follow that up with an article full of reasons why it would be absolutely stupid for him to settle. He has so much going for him right now. There's NO physical evidence proving the alleged rape, and there's an absolute trove of circumstantial evidence pointing to the accuser being a liar with mental issues AND financial motives. Who cares if you lose some of the 2.5 million dollars in endorsements? If you're innocent then take the loses now, and throw it in their faces when you get exonerated. After all, there will always be more endorsements to be had once his name is cleared.

TackleMeBen
07-26-2009, 06:24 PM
if they arent even in named in the case, why are they going to spend any money settling this case.its up to the individuals to decide to settle.

steelreserve
07-26-2009, 06:56 PM
if they arent even in named in the case, why are they going to spend any money settling this case.its up to the individuals to decide to settle.

The company probably IS getting sued. Usually, when an individual gets sued for something that happened at his place of employment, the employer automatically shares the liability. All the lawsuit would have to do is name the individual defendants and then say " - Harrah's Casino, real party of interest."

SteelCityMom
07-26-2009, 06:57 PM
if they arent even in named in the case, why are they going to spend any money settling this case.its up to the individuals to decide to settle.

Because, they may want to get this settled as quickly and quietly as possible, again, for the sake of the stockholders and SEC. If this ends up going to trial and the 8 employees are somehow found to have covered something up, it may not sit well with them. They may decide they don't want to take the risk of the company and the specific hotel losing face.

They may do nothing at all too, and this may end up going to trial. But it's still a possibility. This is just one of the possibilities I heard from the ESPN Sr. Analyst the other day.

HometownGal
07-26-2009, 07:04 PM
Folks - can we please keep all posting related to this subject contained to this thread? We don't want to clog the Steelers forum up with multiple threads relating to the allegations against Ben.

Thanks. :thumbsup:

7SteelGal43
07-26-2009, 07:12 PM
[QUOTE=steelreserve;630020]One thing I never understood ... people all the time say things like "95 percent of rapes are not reported." Well, how can one claim to have any kind of accurate number IF THEY ARE NOT REPORTED? Who's keeping track of all these unofficial rapes, and how? Or are people just guessing, or more likely throwing out shocking numbers to try and give their women's rights group more clout? [QUOTE]

:applaudit: