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mesaSteeler
08-19-2009, 08:15 PM
AFTER she has her hoo haa sewn shut.

I can't STAND women like her who will do anything and everything for attention and/or money. They don't give a flying shit whose lives they ruin and it infuriates me. :mad:

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::appla udit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

stillers4me
08-19-2009, 08:21 PM
I don't think Ben went anywhere near her hoo haa.

HometownGal
08-19-2009, 08:27 PM
I don't think Ben went anywhere near her hoo haa.

I don't either, but I still think she should be given the "vee jay jay Super Glue" so she can never use it as a weapon against a man again.

MasterOfPuppets
08-19-2009, 08:36 PM
i think she should have to have unprotected sex with ron mexico....:laughing:

7SteelGal43
08-19-2009, 08:40 PM
She should face extortion charges.

:applaudit: Now we're talking. Ben should just be able to walk away and get on with his life after this case is dropped. She should automatically have to face extortion charges without Ben having to "go after" her. Besides, I think he's to big a man to stoop that low.

7SteelGal43
08-19-2009, 08:43 PM
i think she should have to have unprotected sex with ron mexico....:laughing:

...or Bawny Fwank :puke:

tony hipchest
08-19-2009, 08:46 PM
may her red snapper NEVER be smelt again.

SteelMember
08-20-2009, 07:26 AM
^^^^ :sofunny:

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 08:29 AM
AFTER she has her hoo haa sewn shut.

I can't STAND women like her who will do anything and everything for attention and/or money. They don't give a flying shit whose lives they ruin and it infuriates me. :mad:

:i agree: women like that give us good women bad names and make men question if you actually love them or something else(ex. money, name, etc..).i think the police dept should send her to steeler nation, i am quite sure we could take care of her in a nice way :chuckle:

Godfather
08-20-2009, 09:39 AM
:applaudit: Now we're talking. Ben should just be able to walk away and get on with his life after this case is dropped. She should automatically have to face extortion charges without Ben having to "go after" her. Besides, I think he's to big a man to stoop that low.

He can take the high road. The legal bill is chump change to him. And her co-workers can take care of making her suffer.

Can you imagine how stressful this must be for them? Getting sued when you're trying to live on a hotel worker's pay? I think they have one hell of a claim for emotional distress and defamation of character. They need to go after her lawyers too because this was a flimsy case even before the emails came out.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 09:56 AM
I don't think Ben went anywhere near her hoo haa.
wasnt there a statement by his lawyer saying that he had sex with her but it was consensual? i was sure he admitted hitting the hoo hoo

the emails won't matter its a clear he said she said case it comes down to whose story you believe. that's why they will take deps

siss
08-20-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm pretty sure PFT made that one up.

Godfather
08-20-2009, 10:34 AM
I don't think he hit it.

Those emails make her look like an obsessed fan. He's lucky she didn't show up somewhere with a gun and kill him like psycho obsessed fans usually do.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 11:12 AM
ben you better get ready to open it
http://craphound.com/images/vaultdoorbrass.jpg

stlrtruck
08-20-2009, 11:44 AM
ben you better get ready to open it
http://craphound.com/images/vaultdoorbrass.jpg

Yeah, becuase the lawyer comes with a hefty retainer fee!

McNutty isn't going to see one red cent from Ben. Her name is going to be dragged so deep into the mud before it hits trial, people will already think she's a liar.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 11:49 AM
Yeah, becuase the lawyer comes with a hefty retainer fee!

McNutty isn't going to see one red cent from Ben. Her name is going to be dragged so deep into the mud before it hits trial, people will already think she's a liar.

yeah those lawyers cost alot.. but i am sure she will get something from benjamin.. like some benjamins..lol

steelreserve
08-20-2009, 11:56 AM
I don't think he hit it.

Those emails make her look like an obsessed fan. He's lucky she didn't show up somewhere with a gun and kill him like psycho obsessed fans usually do.

I think that if he hadn't slept with her at all, that would've been one of the first things he brought up. I haven't really heard that fact contested by Ben or his lawyers.

Even in this latest document with the e-mails, his lawyer seems to be making the point that it was consensual and she walked away with a smile on her face -- not denying that they did it at all.

Not that that would give her any excuse for doing this kind of psycho bullshit. All it proves is that our quarterback is not terribly picky. At least it wasn't a fat chick.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 12:05 PM
my sister thinks he will just pay her off bc she don't think he's ready for the media frenzy this will bring on

OX1947
08-20-2009, 12:06 PM
I do not blame her, I blame a system that would allow something like this. How the heck do you allow someone to file a suit for sexual assault, a year after it happens? On top of it all, no criminal charges. The only thing more criminal then rape is child molestation. Just amazes me how pathetic this whole thing is. I do not know, maybe I would care too much, but if someone raped me, I wouldn't be looking for a pay out, I would want their head on a spit, not their stinking money.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 12:08 PM
I do not blame her, I blame a system that would allow something like this. How the heck do you allow someone to file a suit for sexual assault, a year after it happens? On top of it all, no criminal charges. The only thing more criminal then rape is child molestation. Just amazes me how pathetic this whole thing is. I do not know, maybe I would care too much, but if someone raped me, I wouldn't be looking for a pay out, I would want their head on a spit, not their stinking money.

that is the difference between someone that was actually raped and someone that is upset the man wouldnt give her the time of day. if she was really raped, you wouldnt want the money you would want that person in jail so he couldnt harm another woman, or so one would think.

stlrtruck
08-20-2009, 01:11 PM
my sister thinks he will just pay her off bc she don't think he's ready for the media frenzy this will bring on

I think if he was going to pay her off, it would have already been in the works. I think with the previous co-worker coming out and the emails hitting the open market that Ben's lawyers are going to take this one all the way and by the time it doesn't end up in court it will be a whisper in the wind and no one will remember it. Ben will be exhonerated (sp), his name cleared, and McNutty won't be able to work in the hotel industry for the rest of her life - save for maybe Alaska (or Baltimore).

that is the difference between someone that was actually raped and someone that is upset the man wouldnt give her the time of day. if she was really raped, you wouldnt want the money you would want that person in jail so he couldnt harm another woman, or so one would think.

And then take his money!

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 01:33 PM
well maybe. all i can say is that i hope that ben learned a lesson from all this.

and my sister said : its going to court unless ben pays her she's clearly not backin down

stlrtruck
08-20-2009, 01:53 PM
well maybe. all i can say is that i hope that ben learned a lesson from all this.

and my sister said : its going to court unless ben pays her she's clearly not backin down

And neither is he. And in a case like this it's going to come down to who has the best lawyers and well we've already seen pieces of that answer.

Ben should take his lesson from the basketball player (can't remember his name or where I heard it) but when at a hotel if he's alone in the room and a female delivers his room service, he asks her to leave it outside the door and he'll get it. Only if he has a witness in the room does he allow a female in his room.

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 02:00 PM
And neither is he. And in a case like this it's going to come down to who has the best lawyers and well we've already seen pieces of that answer.

Ben should take his lesson from the basketball player (can't remember his name or where I heard it) but when at a hotel if he's alone in the room and a female delivers his room service, he asks her to leave it outside the door and he'll get it. Only if he has a witness in the room does he allow a female in his room.

the basketball player you are talking about is grant hill. i read that albert puljos will not get into an elevator if its just him and a women, he will wait for the next one, so he doesnt get into trouble.
and responding to your comment about the lawyer: that's not true b/c evidently the lawyer she has is some super hot shot west coast guy. he has a big time repuation out there

43Hitman
08-20-2009, 02:01 PM
well maybe. all i can say is that i hope that ben learned a lesson from all this.

and my sister said : its going to court unless ben pays her she's clearly not backin down

Your sister should join the board so we can talk to her as well. SF is always looking for a few good men or women.:smile:

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Your sister should join the board so we can talk to her as well. SF is always looking for a few good men or women.:smile:
she doesnt post, only lurks on MBs.. dont ask me why? but she is signed up here though.

alittlejazzbird
08-20-2009, 02:50 PM
well maybe. all i can say is that i hope that ben learned a lesson from all this.

and my sister said : its going to court unless ben pays her she's clearly not backin down

No way Ben pays her a dime. His attorney released this statement and e-mails merely as an opening salvo. The message to Andrea McNulty is crystal clear: this is only the tip of the iceberg, there's lots more where it came from, and we won't hesitate to use it.

Such as, for example, the wife (a/k/a "Ben Millikan") of the guy she had the affair with. Her testimony under oath will nail the coffin shut, and by turning over the chat transcripts (and you can bet there are MANY more where those came from) to Ben's attorney, she has shown herself to be an ally for the defense.

St33lersguy
08-20-2009, 03:00 PM
Just another liar who wants money

TackleMeBen
08-20-2009, 03:06 PM
she clearly doesn't care that this is out there from the start there were the stories about her she will stick it out. and they will dig up dirt on him when the time comes

siss
08-21-2009, 05:02 PM
Its Getting Nasty now
Ben 2 McNutty 1
What does it mean to sanction his lawyers?

RENO (AP) — A lawyer for the woman who claims Ben Roethlisberger (FSY) raped her at Lake Tahoe last summer is asking a judge to sanction the Steelers quarterback's legal team.
Cal Dunlap says Roethlisberger's lawyers tried to "smear" the Andrea McNulty with an affidavit from an ex-friend who said the sex at a hotel-casino was consensual and that the woman bragged about it.

BIG BEN'S LAWYERS: Claim accuser's e-mails refute allegations
Dunlap said in a motion filed Thursday in Reno that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting they might countersue her for defamation.

Roethlisberger's lawyers said in the offer that a "conspiracy to extort and defame" him has seriously harmed his potential earnings in excess of $20 million.

They want her to write him a letter of apology.

HAWK
08-21-2009, 05:33 PM
1. BB should countersue.
2. She needs to write a letter of apology.
3. She should be made an example of for future gold diggers.
4. She should be sterilized.

mesaSteeler
08-21-2009, 06:08 PM
Roethlisberger case heats up

RENO, Nev. (AP) -- A lawyer for the woman who claims Ben Roethlisberger raped her at Lake Tahoe last summer is asking a judge to sanction the Steelers quarterback's legal team, saying they tried to "bully" her into dropping her civil lawsuit.

Roethlisberger's lawyers tried to smear the woman with an affidavit from an ex-friend who said the sex in Roethlisberger's room at Harrah's Lake Tahoe hotel-casino was consensual and that the woman bragged about it, said Cal Dunlap, her Reno lawyer.

He also said in a motion filed Thursday in Washoe District Court in Reno that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting they might countersue her for defamation -- a move Dunlap said "borders on criminal extortion."

Roethlisberger's lawyers said in the offer that a "conspiracy to extort and defame" him has seriously harmed his potential earnings in excess of $20 million.

Settlement alternatives outlined in the offer included one scenario where Roethlisberger would release both the woman and Dunlap from any legal liability if the woman dropped her lawsuit and wrote a letter of apology to the two-time Super Bowl winner.

Another said Roethlisberger would pay for a psychiatric evaluation of the woman but offered no other financial payment.

The woman contends in the lawsuit filed last month that Roethlisberger raped her in July 2008 while he was there to play in a celebrity golf tournament.

The woman reported the incident to Harrah's security. But she said she never filed a criminal complaint because she feared Harrah's would side with Roethlisberger and she would be fired. She also accused Harrah's officials of orchestrating a cover-up.

The suit seeks a minimum of $440,000 in damages from Roethlisberger, at least $50,000 in damages from the eight Harrah's officials named as defendants and an unspecified amount of punitive damages.

Earlier this week, Roethlisberger lawyer W. David Cornwell provided The Associated Press and other news outlets with 18 pages of e-mails and texts purportedly between the 31-year-old woman and a male friend that Cornwell said prove she was not assaulted.

In one written less than 24 hours after the alleged rape, the woman writes about how much she has enjoyed entertaining the celebrities and VIPs.

Earlier this month, Roethlisberger's lawyers filed a motion for a change of venue and attached to it an affidavit from the accuser's former friend and Harrah's co-worker Angela Antonetti.

Antonetti said the woman who made the rape claim "did not appear to be upset, stressed-out or nervous" about her time with Roethlisberger rather she "appeared happy and boastful" and later said she thought she might be pregnant from the encounter.

Dunlap said in his new motion that the affidavit was "unrelated and wholly irrelevant" to the question of whether the trial should be moved closer to Lake Tahoe.

"The clear intent of both filings is to intimidate the plaintiff and dissuade her from pursuing her rights in court in this very serious matter," Dunlap wrote. He said it also was an attempt to persuade him to "abandon plaintiff and her case or risk personal liability."

"This conduct not only warrants discipline and sanctions, but warrants denial of the privilege of practicing law in the state of Nevada," he said.

Cornwell said in an e-mail to AP on Friday that the affidavit and e-mails prove the woman knew -- and that Dunlap knew or should have known -- that her allegations were false.

"This evidence was available to Mr. Dunlap before the scurrilous complaint was filed," he said. "If Mr. Dunlap feels `bullied' because he has to confront compelling evidence, especially (the woman's) contemporaneous statements and conduct, so be it."

(Good sounds like Ben's lawyer is playing defense the way the Steelers do. Smash mouth! - mesa)

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RoethlisBURGHer
08-21-2009, 06:10 PM
Its Getting Nasty now
Ben 2 McNutty 1
What does it mean to sanction his lawyers?

RENO (AP) — A lawyer for the woman who claims Ben Roethlisberger (FSY) raped her at Lake Tahoe last summer is asking a judge to sanction the Steelers quarterback's legal team.
Cal Dunlap says Roethlisberger's lawyers tried to "smear" the Andrea McNulty with an affidavit from an ex-friend who said the sex at a hotel-casino was consensual and that the woman bragged about it.

BIG BEN'S LAWYERS: Claim accuser's e-mails refute allegations
Dunlap said in a motion filed Thursday in Reno that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting they might countersue her for defamation.

Roethlisberger's lawyers said in the offer that a "conspiracy to extort and defame" him has seriously harmed his potential earnings in excess of $20 million.

They want her to write him a letter of apology.

To sanction a lawyer could be anything from keeping said lawyer from filing motions all the way to dismissing said lawyer from the case.

I don't see anything wrong with what Ben's lawyer did. If her lawyer doesn't like the fact that there is information out there that makes his job that much harder, he shouldn't have taken the case to begin with.

I guarantee you that when she came to him with this idea, he got dollar signs in his eyes and didn't care about having any type of proof for the case, or Ben's lawyer (or the resort's) finding proof that it didn't happen.

I think Ben should counter with a lawsuit against McNulty and her lawyer for defamation of character so bad that the two of them have to share a box underneath an overpass somewhere in Nevada.

siss
08-21-2009, 06:28 PM
To sanction a lawyer could be anything from keeping said lawyer from filing motions all the way to dismissing said lawyer from the case.

I don't see anything wrong with what Ben's lawyer did. If her lawyer doesn't like the fact that there is information out there that makes his job that much harder, he shouldn't have taken the case to begin with.

I guarantee you that when she came to him with this idea, he got dollar signs in his eyes and didn't care about having any type of proof for the case, or Ben's lawyer (or the resort's) finding proof that it didn't happen.

I think Ben should counter with a lawsuit against McNulty and her lawyer for defamation of character so bad that the two of them have to share a box underneath an overpass somewhere in Nevada.
Isn't that what McNutty is doing to Ben? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Preacher
08-21-2009, 06:36 PM
Isn't that what McNutty is doing to Ben? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Clarify? I am not sure if you are speaking of Ben suing that is the pot calling the kettle black, or if you are speaking of McNulty's lawyers bullying Ben that is the pot calling the kettle black.

fansince'76
08-21-2009, 06:45 PM
A lawyer for the woman who claims Ben Roethlisberger raped her at Lake Tahoe last summer is asking a judge to sanction the Steelers quarterback's legal team, saying they tried to "bully" her into dropping her civil lawsuit.

Roethlisberger's lawyers tried to smear the woman with an affidavit from an ex-friend who said the sex in Roethlisberger's room at Harrah's Lake Tahoe hotel-casino was consensual and that the woman bragged about it, said Cal Dunlap, her Reno lawyer.

He also said in a motion filed Thursday in Washoe District Court in Reno that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting they might countersue her for defamation -- a move Dunlap said "borders on criminal extortion."

Didn't he realize when he filed the papers for McNulty that this was probably going to get nasty? Ben's lawyers trying to bully her? Damn straight they are - they wouldn't be doing their job otherwise. If this guy can't stand the heat, he should have stayed out of the kitchen. Or maybe he thought Ben was just going to go along like a nice little $100 million patsy and write her a nice fat check and be done with it. Think again, Mr. Shyster.

siss
08-21-2009, 06:48 PM
Clarify? I am not sure if you are speaking of Ben suing that is the pot calling the kettle black, or if you are speaking of McNulty's lawyers bullying Ben that is the pot calling the kettle black. McNutty's lawyer bullying Ben.

HometownGal
08-21-2009, 07:33 PM
This reeks of da horse faced bimbo and her money grubbin' vampire bat fearing that the truth is coming out little by little on how twisted, demented and fabricated McNutty's story is.

With regard to sanction, it has different meanings in different contexts. Sanctions can be used to describe tacit or explicit approval. Used in this sense, the term usually is used in assigning liability to a party who was not actively involved in wrongdoing but who did nothing to prevent it. It can also be used to describe disagreement and condemnation.

In Civil Law, a sanction is that part of a law that assigns a penalty for violation of the law's provisions. The most common civil sanction is a monetary fine, but other types of sanctions exist. Depending on the case, a sanction may be the suspension or revocation of a license or a court order commanding a person to do or refrain from doing something.

In this case, it appears that McNutty and her team of vampires are attemping to block Ben and his attorneys from obtaining certain information with regard to McNutty, i.e. the affidavit from da bimbo's co-worker and anything else that paints McNutty in a negative light.

Me thinks this bitch (and her attorney) bit off way more than they can chew and are now forced to grasp at straws with this ridiculous Motion to impose sanctions to maintain even a smidget of credibility with the Court. :upyours:

Texasteel
08-21-2009, 07:50 PM
It looks like this house of cards is falling apart.

stillers4me
08-21-2009, 08:27 PM
It would be nice if this was all over by opening day.

CargoJon
08-21-2009, 08:56 PM
When this ends, it's going to end with Steelers' fans laughing.

7SteelGal43
08-21-2009, 09:33 PM
1. BB should countersue.
2. She needs to write a letter of apology.
3. She should be made an example of for future gold diggers.
4. She should be sterilized.

I agree with all but #1. Remember folks, SHE'S the horeses ass, not him.

Godfather
08-21-2009, 10:45 PM
I agree with all but #1. Remember folks, SHE'S the horeses ass, not him.

Good news is we can have our cake and eat it too.

Ben can just beat the rap and walk away without bringing down the hammer on McNutty. And the hammer can still fall on her courtesy of her co-workers, who have very good reason to come after her and don't have to worry about looking bad.

spyboots
08-21-2009, 11:45 PM
Here's the latest from PFT (link below)

Roethlisberger continues relentless assault on his accuser
Posted by Mike Florio on August 22, 2009 12:04 AM ET

Three days after releasing e-mail messages described as the "tip of the investigative iceberg" and publicly demanding that the woman suing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger abandon her case immediately, Roethlisberger has filed a motion to dismiss the claims against him, support by a 43-page legal brief and 29 exhibits.

We've obtained a copy of everything that has been filed. (And, consequently, the hard drive on the official PFT Commodore 64 is now full.)

Put simply, the attack against the plaintiff is among the most aggressive I've seen in nearly 18 years of practicing law.

"Plaintiff is a disturbed and calculating woman," Roethlisberger's memorandum states at the outset of the "Introduction" section, "who, together with counsel, fabricated a claim of sexual assault against a two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback to save her job and extort a large monetary payoff."

Roethlisberger also alleged that the plaintiff and her counsel hinted that criminal charges would be filed absent a settlement. Roethlisberger, in turn, accuses the plaintiff and her lawyer of committing a felony under Nevada law: "A person who, with the intent to . . . gain any money . . . threatens directly or indirectly to accuse any person of a crime . . . is guilty of a category B felony . . . ."

Roethlisberger also claims that the plaintiff obtained her U.S. Naturalization through false statements, falsely received disability benefits to cover a leave of absence from work, and has "defiled the sanctity of this Court with unsubstantiated and salacious allegations of sexual assault."

The memorandum attaches various affidavits that, in Roethlisberger's view, support the contention that the plaintiff is "an admitted sex addict," that she was "excited about the prospect of having sex with" Roethlisberger, and that she told one of her co-workers that she was interested in having sex with him.

Though the memo contains no express admission by Roethlisberger that a sexual encounter occurred between Roethlisberger and the plaintiff, he never denies it -- and the text of the memorandum strongly implies it: "Plaintiff boasted that her sex encounter with Mr. Roethlisberger as the 'best ever' and that she did not care if it ever happened again because the sex was 'soooo good.'"

Roethlisberger requests that the plaintiff be required to submit to an "immediate medical examination," alleging that "there is no question that Plaintiff is unstable mentally."

So, regardless of the merits of the case (and, frankly, it doesn't look good at this point for the plaintiff), Roethlisberger's lawyers are using the "nuts and profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilters" defense by calling the plaintiff both a nut and a profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilter.

That said, it's their prerogative to attempt to approve either or both things, if they so choose. There's a chance it will backfire, however.

But there's also a chance that the approach will cause her to give up, especially if the contention that her charges have been fabricated is true.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

mesaSteeler
08-22-2009, 12:25 AM
Psychiatric examination sought for Roethlisberger's accuser
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_639570.html#
By Michael Hasch
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, August 22, 2009

Ben Roethlisberger's attorneys contend in court papers filed Friday that the woman who claims the Steelers quarterback sexually assaulted her at the Nevada resort where she worked "fabricated" the claim as a way to extort a large amount of money from him.

The court documents describe the woman as a "sex addict" who, because of mental problems, "may be legally incompetent to proceed" in further court action. Roethlisberger's attorneys want the court to order "an immediate psychiatric examination."

"Plaintiff is a disturbed and calculating woman who, together with counsel, fabricated a claim of sexual assault against a two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback to save her job and extort a large monetary payoff," according to documents which ask the court to dismiss the lawsuit the woman has filed against Roethlisberger.

"When their threat was unsuccessful, the Plaintiff and her counsel followed through on their extortion scheme and filed an unverified complaint falsely accusing Mr. Roethlisberger of sexual assault with salacious allegations calculated to stir the prurient interests of the media and public and thereby irreparably injuring Mr. Roethlisberger," the documents state.

The documents were filed a day after the woman's lawyer asked a judge to sanction Roethlisberger's legal team, saying they tried to "bully" her into dropping the lawsuit. Attorney Calvin Dunlap wrote in the motion, which also was filed in Washoe County District Court in Reno, that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting that they might counter-sue the woman for defamation, a move Dunlap said "borders on extortion."

The woman also is suing eight current and former Harrah's employees she contends covered up the alleged rape and spread false information about her.

The woman claims Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her July 11, 2008, at the Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino, where she worked as a VIP concierge, and he was attending a celebrity golf tournament. She filed a civil lawsuit in Reno last month, two weeks before the Super Bowl champions opened training camp.

Roethlisberger, 27, has denied assaulting the 31-year-old woman, who has never gone to police. The Tribune-Review doesn't name alleged victims of sexual assault.

The court documents do not deny that a sexual encounter took place but provides statements from several people who claim the woman told them it was consensual.

"(The woman), an admitted sex addict" later "boasted" about the encounter and never told anyone at the time that she had been raped, according to the documents, which ask the court to dismiss her claim and not allow it to be refiled.

If the case is not dismissed, Roethlisberger's lawyers want a judge to, among other things, strike from the record "specific immaterial, impertinent and scandalous claims" made in the woman's suit.

Dunlap could not be reached for comment about the latest court filing.

Michael Hasch can be reached at mhasch@tribweb.com or 412-320-7820.

SteelersinCA
08-22-2009, 12:50 AM
Some damn fine lawyering by Ben's team.

steelreserve
08-22-2009, 04:57 AM
Three days after releasing e-mail messages described as the "tip of the investigative iceberg" and publicly demanding that the woman suing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger abandon her case immediately, Roethlisberger has filed a motion to dismiss the claims against him, support by a 43-page legal brief and 29 exhibits.

We've obtained a copy of everything that has been filed. (And, consequently, the hard drive on the official PFT Commodore 64 is now full.)

Those dipshits. The Commodore 64 didn't have a hard drive.

TackleMeBen
08-22-2009, 07:37 AM
The documents were filed a day after the woman's lawyer asked a judge to sanction Roethlisberger's legal team, saying they tried to "bully" her into dropping the lawsuit. Attorney Calvin Dunlap wrote in the motion, which also was filed in Washoe County District Court in Reno, that Roethlisberger's lawyers made a settlement offer this week suggesting that they might counter-sue the woman for defamation, a move Dunlap said "borders on extortion."

this is very interesting. i didnt think ben would try and pay the woman off?

stillers4me
08-22-2009, 07:47 AM
this is very interesting. i didnt think ben would try and pay the woman off?

Settlement alternatives outlined in the offer included one scenario where Roethlisberger would release both the woman and Dunlap from any legal liability if the woman dropped her lawsuit and wrote a letter of apology to the two-time Super Bowl winner.

Another said Roethlisberger would pay for a psychiatric evaluation of the woman but offered no other financial payment.

He only offered to pay for the test to prove she's a nutcase.

"Plaintiff is a disturbed and calculating woman who, together with counsel, fabricated a claim of sexual assault against a two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback to save her job and extort a large monetary payoff," according to documents which ask the court to dismiss the lawsuit the woman has filed against Roethlisberger.

"When their threat was unsuccessful, the Plaintiff and her counsel followed through on their extortion scheme and filed an unverified complaint falsely accusing Mr. Roethlisberger of sexual assault with salacious allegations calculated to stir the prurient interests of the media and public and thereby irreparably injuring Mr. Roethlisberger," the documents state.

That sounds to me like they went to Ben first and threatened him with a criminal suit if he didn't pay her off and when he told her to go to hell, she filed the civil suit.

That's extortion.

alittlejazzbird
08-22-2009, 09:26 AM
Some damn fine lawyering by Ben's team.

You BET it is. I'd want these people on my side, no question. They're outstanding.

Here's the actual motion (I thought exhibits were included, but unfortunately they're not, at least not as of yet), for anyone with a few hours to kill, LOL! I just poured my second cup of coffee and am settling in to read as soon as I post this message.

http://rgj.com/assets/pdf/J7141012821.PDF

BTW, if you want the news on this story as it's breaking, bookmark the Reno Gazette-Journal's homepage - they're first with everything since they probably have someone on staff at the courthouse keeping an eye on all general legal proceedings that would affect daily reporting.

7SteelGal43
08-22-2009, 10:08 AM
Good news is we can have our cake and eat it too.

Ben can just beat the rap and walk away without bringing down the hammer on McNutty. And the hammer can still fall on her courtesy of her co-workers, who have very good reason to come after her and don't have to worry about looking bad.

I like it. I like it alot :chuckle:

siss
08-22-2009, 10:46 AM
I think Ben may have found a lawyer more competitive then him...I didn't think that was possible!

HometownGal
08-22-2009, 02:41 PM
You BET it is. I'd want these people on my side, no question. They're outstanding.

Here's the actual motion (I thought exhibits were included, but unfortunately they're not, at least not as of yet), for anyone with a few hours to kill, LOL! I just poured my second cup of coffee and am settling in to read as soon as I post this message.

http://rgj.com/assets/pdf/J7141012821.PDF

BTW, if you want the news on this story as it's breaking, bookmark the Reno Gazette-Journal's homepage - they're first with everything since they probably have someone on staff at the courthouse keeping an eye on all general legal proceedings that would affect daily reporting.

Thanks for the info jazzy! :thumbsup: I wrote those types of briefs and motions for many years and really enjoyed getting into the nitty-gritty reading this one! :drink:

This bimbo is one screwed up customer. :screwy:

TackleMeBen
08-23-2009, 07:36 AM
He only offered to pay for the test to prove she's a nutcase.



That sounds to me like they went to Ben first and threatened him with a criminal suit if he didn't pay her off and when he told her to go to hell, she filed the civil suit.

That's extortion.
i dont think he should have offered anything. this could look like he is trying to pay her off just to make it go away. i will have to wait and get the legal end from my sister when i talk to her..

7SteelGal43
08-23-2009, 01:49 PM
i dont think he should have offered anything. this could look like he is trying to pay her off just to make it go away. i will have to wait and get the legal end from my sister when i talk to her..

Nah...I don't think offering to pay for her psycho treatment can be interpreted as "paying her off". So far, I think the way Ben's handled himself shows class, restraint, and projects innocence on his part. :tt03: GO BEN !!! YOU DA MAN !!!

sixstringlass
08-23-2009, 07:42 PM
Those dipshits. The Commodore 64 didn't have a hard drive.


Must have filled up their floppy, then.

devilsdancefloor
08-23-2009, 08:21 PM
Must have filled up their floppy, then.

cassette:wink02:

TackleMeBen
08-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Some damn fine lawyering by Ben's team.
its just a legal tatic to take the attention off of ben and put it on her.

alittlejazzbird
08-24-2009, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the info jazzy! :thumbsup: I wrote those types of briefs and motions for many years and really enjoyed getting into the nitty-gritty reading this one! :drink:

I agree, HTG - I do litigation work in my "day job" too, and this was a really interesting brief to read. Oh, how I want to see the exhibits...but it's probably a lot of pages. Would love to see those affidavits.

Preacher
08-25-2009, 02:57 AM
I agree, HTG - I do litigation work in my "day job" too, and this was a really interesting brief to read. Oh, how I want to see the exhibits...but it's probably a lot of pages. Would love to see those affidavits.
I got to about page 17... before my ADD kicked in.

I think my estimation of the situation... oh about 250 posts ago or so... will turn out to be very close to the truth.

She had a mental breakdown and started projecting, engaging in cognitive distortions as well confusing Ben R. with the online Ben.

In the same way that I don't make fun of children with Down Syndrome, I will not make fun of her. Mental illness is never a laughing matter.

However, while I said before that I "doubted" her story... I am more convinced than ever now that she concocted the entire thing...not for money, but as a mental protection of a deeper issue... and now that it is breaking down, she needs something to bolster it. A lawsuit and money would work perfectly. Because if she IS sexually addicted, she is going to HAVE TO find a way to make everything happening now NOT her fault.

Being raped does all of that perfectly.... and winning a lawsuit against Ben and Harrah's reinforces her victim mentality and that she did nothing wrong. Getting ANYTHING from this lawsuit does that.

It is a sad thing to see right now. IMO, it is the equivalent of watching a drug addict trying to blame someone else for the problem he is in.

stillers4me
08-25-2009, 05:42 AM
Co-workers testify that Roethlisberger's accuser wasn't assaulted
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Three friends and co-workers of the woman accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault have testified that, based on their conversations with her, they believed the sex was consensual.

The co-workers, two of whom have been named as defendants in the lawsuit, also said they did not report the encounter to superiors at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, where the woman worked, because the hotel would have fired her for violating a policy forbidding employees to visit guests in their rooms.

The affidavits are among a number of exhibits submitted to Washoe County Court in Reno, Nev., by Roethlisberger's attorneys. Also included are subpoenas for records from the woman's Facebook and e-mail accounts and records from at least five health and medical centers where she has been treated in the past year.

The last exhibit in the recent filings is an affidavit from Dr. Margo M. Leahy, a California-licensed psychiatrist, recommending "a comprehensive independent medical examination be conducted on the plaintiff."

Calvin R.X. Dunlap, the Reno-based attorney for the 31-year-old woman, could not be reached for comment. The Post-Gazette does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

The woman has filed a civil suit against Roethlisberger claiming he assaulted her in his hotel room while in Lake Tahoe for a July 2008 charity golf outing. She also has sued eight current or former Harrah's Lake Tahoe employees, claiming they protected the hotel and Roethlisberger.

William T. Santos, of Newport Beach, Calif., a former friend and co-worker of the plaintiff, testified he was Roethlisberger's butler at Harrah's during the golf event. He said he one day saw her engaged in "a flirtatious conversation" with Roethlisberger.

"[She] indicated to me that Mr. Roethlisberger had asked her to visit his hotel room. [She] said she would like to go to his hotel room.

"But then she said, 'I would get in trouble if I went to his room, right?' I responded that of course she would get in trouble with Harrah's. An employee who visits a guest's room at Harrah's for a non-work-related reason (including for sex or to have a drink), even if the employee is invited, is subject to termination for violating company practice prohibiting such conduct."

Santos also said he was in the hotel when the woman claims to have been assaulted, but that she did not call him. And when he saw her the next day, he said, she "appeared normal and not distraught, upset or depressed."

Stacy Dingman, former director of hotel operations for Harrah's Lake Tahoe, said she was the plaintiff's supervisor, mentor and "best friend," and that her children called the plaintiff "Auntie."

"Mr. Roethlisberger was a low-key, low-maintenance guest," Dingman said, adding that the plaintiff "willingly flirted" with him.

The morning after the alleged assault, Dingman said, the plaintiff came to her home.

"She sprawled across my bed, stretching her arms over her head in what seemed to be sheer delight. [She] told me that she had had a sexual encounter with Mr. Roethlisberger, that the interaction was the 'best ever,' ... and that she did not care if it ever happened again because it was 'soooo good.' [She] also indicated that she thought there would be more sexual interactions with Mr. Roethlisberger because [they] had plans to go fly-fishing and camping in the near future.

"At no point did [she] indicate anything negative about Mr. Roethlisberger or that he supposedly sexually assaulted her. Had she done so, I would have immediately called the police and taken her to a hospital."

Dingman said the only thing about which the plaintiff expressed a concern was whether the butlers on duty had seen her leaving Roethlisberger's room after having sex with him.

Dingman testified that in January 2009, she received a call from the plaintiff in which the accuser recast her encounter with Roethlisberger as "awful," and said "she had been scared."

"She stated that she was so 'grossed-out and disgusted' that when she got home she immediately took off all of the clothes that she was wearing and shoes, threw them into a trash bag and still had that bag in her garage."

Markleville, Calif., resident Guy Hyder, one of the defendants, was employed as director of security at Harrah's at the time and also called the plaintiff a "very close" friend, saying she "treated me like a second father."

"She said to me that she had sex with Mr. Roethlisberger," he said. "[She] was not upset or distraught when she made that disclosure. [She] never indicated that she was assaulted in any way."

Hyder, who has been targeted by the lawsuit for not acting on her complaint, said he did not tell superiors of the incident "because [she] was my friend, and I was afraid she might indeed be fired for violating the policy against engaging in sexual relations with a guest. If [she] had said anything about being sexually assaulted by Mr. Roethlisberger, I would have reported it to the proper authorities."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09237/993004-66.stm#ixzz0PBqhLlJO

Fire Haley
08-25-2009, 05:54 AM
"She sprawled across my bed, stretching her arms over her head in what seemed to be sheer delight. [She] told me that she had had a sexual encounter with Mr. Roethlisberger, that the interaction was the 'best ever,' ... and that she did not care if it ever happened again because it was 'soooo good.' [She] also indicated that she thought there would be more sexual interactions with Mr. Roethlisberger because [they] had plans to go fly-fishing and camping in the near future.

"She said to me that she had sex with Mr. Roethlisberger," he said. "[She] was not upset or distraught when she made that disclosure. [She] never indicated that she was assaulted in any way."


Well this just sickens me, Ben should be benched for being such a promiscuous ho

mesaSteeler
08-25-2009, 07:07 AM
Deadline Passes For Deal In Roethlisberger Case
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ―
http://kdka.com/steelers/Roethlisberger.McNulty.lawsuit.2.1142722.html

The woman accusing Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault had until tonight to accept a deal to drop the lawsuit.

The deadline was set for 7 p.m., but that time has come and gone with no response.

Roethlisberger's attorneys offered Andrea McNulty a deal to drop the suit and apologize to Roethlisberger.

In return, he would have paid her legal expenses.

Another offer is for McNulty to drop the lawsuit and side with Roethlisberger in a defamation lawsuit against her attorney.

The deadline for that deal is Friday.

HometownGal
08-25-2009, 07:35 AM
Deadline Passes For Deal In Roethlisberger Case
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ―
http://kdka.com/steelers/Roethlisberger.McNulty.lawsuit.2.1142722.html

The woman accusing Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault had until tonight to accept a deal to drop the lawsuit.

The deadline was set for 7 p.m., but that time has come and gone with no response.

Roethlisberger's attorneys offered Andrea McNulty a deal to drop the suit and apologize to Roethlisberger.

In return, he would have paid her legal expenses.

Another offer is for McNulty to drop the lawsuit and side with Roethlisberger in a defamation lawsuit against her attorney.

The deadline for that deal is Friday.

This ho-bag and her vampire bat aren't interested in making deals. All they want is to squeeze the bull on the nickel until it shits.

steelwalls
08-25-2009, 08:46 AM
Preach I have to say I don't think this lady had a mental breakdown at all, I think given her actions and her own words she knew exacly what she was doing when she accused Big Ben of rape. She thought Ben would throw money at her and that would be that. Smart...she is not, mentally ill, IMO I dont think so (at least not by my definition, the pharse 'mentally ill' covers a broad spectrum though)

Im sure her lawer is pumpin her up and saying he can win this thing, I'm sure he thinks he hs a cash cow here. The lady needs to take the friday deadline and turn on her idiot lawyer.

I have to say this though...come on Ben.. you gotta be smarter then that bro. You know with that huge contract you got a target on your back, stay away from the groupies.....

Rotorhead
08-25-2009, 10:42 AM
Well, if Preach is correct, her lawyer is the one driving that car. If she is having a breakdown, she may have delusioned (wonder if that word actually works like that . . .) parts of this to help herself cope, but the lawyer is filling in the missing pieces. If he isnt pulling the puppet strings, then she is absolutely not ill.

TackleMeBen
08-25-2009, 10:51 AM
he shouldnt offer to pay anything for that nutjob.

and he needs to learn to keep his pants up..lol

according to my sister, this will proceed to trial if he doesn't pay her off. a judge won't dismiss it b/c its a civil matter. the thing w/a civil case is you don't need an unanimous decision like in a crminal one its majority rules

fansince'76
08-25-2009, 11:25 AM
"She sprawled across my bed, stretching her arms over her head in what seemed to be sheer delight. [She] told me that she had had a sexual encounter with Mr. Roethlisberger, that the interaction was the 'best ever,' ... and that she did not care if it ever happened again because it was 'soooo good.' [She] also indicated that she thought there would be more sexual interactions with Mr. Roethlisberger because [they] had plans to go fly-fishing and camping in the near future.

"She said to me that she had sex with Mr. Roethlisberger," he said. "[She] was not upset or distraught when she made that disclosure. [She] never indicated that she was assaulted in any way."


Well this just sickens me, Ben should be benched for being such a promiscuous ho

Assuming anything she says can be believed. Didn't she fabricate an online romance which she bragged to coworkers about too? Once again, I can claim I boinked Jessica Alba, but my saying so doesn't make it true.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Catch-22...The lawsuit should be dead in the water since its obvious everyone knows she is crazy...but she wont drop the lawsuit..because...well...she's crazy.:noidea:

alittlejazzbird
08-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Assuming anything she says can be believed. Didn't she fabricate an online romance which she bragged to coworkers about too? Once again, I can claim I boinked Jessica Alba, but my saying so doesn't make it true.

I get what you're saying, and as noted earlier I'm leaning toward believing as you do, that she has imagined the whole sex scenario with Ben. But the online guy was "real" as far as she knew, even though she didn't know that her ex-married lover's wife was behind the whole thing. The chat transcripts prove that much.

TackleMeBen
08-25-2009, 03:08 PM
until i hear it come out of ben's mouth that he didnt have sex with her, i am going to believe that they did, but it was consensual.

CanadianSteel
08-25-2009, 03:32 PM
"She sprawled across my bed, stretching her arms over her head in what seemed to be sheer delight. [She] told me that she had had a sexual encounter with Mr. Roethlisberger, that the interaction was the 'best ever,' ... and that she did not care if it ever happened again because it was 'soooo good.' [She] also indicated that she thought there would be more sexual interactions with Mr. Roethlisberger because [they] had plans to go fly-fishing and camping in the near future.

"She said to me that she had sex with Mr. Roethlisberger," he said. "[She] was not upset or distraught when she made that disclosure. [She] never indicated that she was assaulted in any way."


Well this just sickens me, Ben should be benched for being such a promiscuous ho

Or at least he could be benched for having such low stadards in women.... C'mon you are the QB of the Steelers for cripes sakes.... throw down with some celebrities..

:flap:

TackleMeBen
08-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Or at least he could be benched for having such low stadards in women.... C'mon you are the QB of the Steelers for cripes sakes.... throw down with some celebrities..

he has before, and i guess he went for the more low-key woman, unfortunely she turned out to be a whack job

HometownGal
08-25-2009, 03:38 PM
I get what you're saying, and as noted earlier I'm leaning toward believing as you do, that she has imagined the whole sex scenario with Ben. But the online guy was "real" as far as she knew, even though she didn't know that her ex-married lover's wife was behind the whole thing. The chat transcripts prove that much.

That chat transcripts prove that this nutjob "fell in love" with a man she believed to be real over the internet. Did she ever speak to "him" on the phone? Ever meet "him"? I think a normal person would have to have more communication with someone they "fall in love with" than just some email exchanges. I would think Ben's attorneys have made note of all of this and will use it to Ben's advantage should this case go to trial.

I believe this kookbag imagined and invented this entire scenario and until I hear it directly from Ben that he did the deed with this horse-faced bimbo, I'm going to continue believing that it simply never happened and that she and her sheister attorney are looking to cash in on a big payday.

TackleMeBen
08-25-2009, 03:44 PM
That chat transcripts prove that this nutjob "fell in love" with a man she believed to be real over the internet. Did she ever speak to "him" on the phone? Ever meet "him"? I think a normal person would have to have more communication with someone they "fall in love with" than just some email exchanges. I would think Ben's attorneys have made note of all of this and will use it to Ben's advantage should this case go to trial.

I believe this kookbag imagined and invented this entire scenario and until I hear it directly from Ben that he did the deed with this horse-faced bimbo, I'm going to continue believing that it simply never happened and that she and her sheister attorney are looking to cash in on a big payday.

my friend met her husband over the internet, they talked for a while over the internet and then they finally met in canada, and now they have been married for 10yrs with two kids.

my sister said : are they living in a cave he admitted he had sex w/her
and didn't use a condom

HometownGal
08-25-2009, 03:46 PM
my friend met her husband over the internet, they talked for a while over the internet and then they finally met in canada, and now they have been married for 10yrs with two kids.

my sister said : are they living in a cave he admitted he had sex w/her
and didn't use a condom

Your friend and her husband actually MET. It's pretty apparent Horsey Face and her "soldier", who she "fell in love with" never did. :screwy:

Preacher
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Preach I have to say I don't think this lady had a mental breakdown at all, I think given her actions and her own words she knew exacly what she was doing when she accused Big Ben of rape. She thought Ben would throw money at her and that would be that. Smart...she is not, mentally ill, IMO I dont think so (at least not by my definition, the pharse 'mentally ill' covers a broad spectrum though)

Im sure her lawer is pumpin her up and saying he can win this thing, I'm sure he thinks he hs a cash cow here. The lady needs to take the friday deadline and turn on her idiot lawyer.

I have to say this though...come on Ben.. you gotta be smarter then that bro. You know with that huge contract you got a target on your back, stay away from the groupies.....

Funny thing. THe more I learn about her, the more I think that is exactly what happened. Now, by breakdown I don't mean a psychotic break with total reality. I mean a place where she re-wrote her reality to protect something deeper within her. Sexual addiction is both evidence of and a driving force in that kind of thing... any addiction can be, but sexual addiction (and food addiction) are probably clearer signs. Sad thing is, most that are ill in an addiction sort of way are actually VERY intelligent, conniving, and thought through, to protect not only their addiction, but that THING much deeper inside that is driving it all. I agree she wanted Ben to throw money at her, but I think the money was symbolic of her being RIGHT.

I was actually a representative of my local association in a lawsuit (I was the moderator and hence, one of 3 officers of the n.f.p. corporation). We had a pastor suing us over the loss of his job... because he was busted for crack. He claimed interference by the assocation. In the end, what he really was wanting was for an outside authority to tell him that he wasn't at fault. He was free and clear and it was someone else's actions that caused his problems. That is EXACTLY what I think is happening here.



Well, if Preach is correct, her lawyer is the one driving that car. If she is having a breakdown, she may have delusioned (wonder if that word actually works like that . . .) parts of this to help herself cope, but the lawyer is filling in the missing pieces. If he isnt pulling the puppet strings, then she is absolutely not ill.

No, I think she is driving it, because she wants to be seen as being right (see above post) and the lawyer is laughing at her all the way to the bank.... he hopes).

Assuming anything she says can be believed. Didn't she fabricate an online romance which she bragged to coworkers about too? Once again, I can claim I boinked Jessica Alba, but my saying so doesn't make it true.

No. She didn't fabricate an online romance. The romance was real to her. It was the other party that fabricated their part. In her reality, everything was dead set real. If you were in a dark room and the woman claimed to be Jessica Alba... and she left before you saw her in the light... do you have any reason to doubt it was her? Outside of "why would JESSICA ALBA be there" Don't forget, this was supposedly just some random guy she met in a chatroom... So no, she didn't fabricate it.

That chat transcripts prove that this nutjob "fell in love" with a man she believed to be real over the internet. Did she ever speak to "him" on the phone? Ever meet "him"? I think a normal person would have to have more communication with someone they "fall in love with" than just some email exchanges. I would think Ben's attorneys have made note of all of this and will use it to Ben's advantage should this case go to trial.
.

I don't know. I know of people that fell in love over a series of letters sent back and forth. WWII is replete with stories of pen pals falling in love. The internet is the next generation of the same thing. It is even faster in communication and as such, is more personal because the response to immediate problems is that much quicker.

____________________________

IMO, the courts should step in and 1. Drop the suit and 2. Remand her over to county mental health for a serious assessment.

fansince'76
08-25-2009, 03:58 PM
No. She didn't fabricate an online romance. The romance was real to her. It was the other party that fabricated their part. In her reality, everything was dead set real. If you were in a dark room and the woman claimed to be Jessica Alba... and she left before you saw her in the light... do you have any reason to doubt it was her? Outside of "why would JESSICA ALBA be there" Don't forget, this was supposedly just some random guy she met in a chatroom... So no, she didn't fabricate it.

"It was real to her" and actually being "real" are two different things. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were quite real to me as a child too. I still don't believe a word she says, personally.

Preacher
08-25-2009, 04:02 PM
"It was real to her" and actually being "real" are two different things. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were quite real to me as a child too. I still don't believe a word she says, personally.


Yes, those are two different things. However, did believing in the easter bunny as a child make you a liar? No. It made you ignorant (in the actual definitional sense of not knowing).

To me, this is the exact same thing as no WMD being found, and Bush being accused of lying. There is a distinct difference between being wrong, and lying. Same with her. She was led to believe one thing, and was completely wrong about it.

OneForTheToe
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were quite real to me as a child too. I still don't believe a word she says, personally.




However, did believing in the easter bunny as a child make you a liar? No. It made you ignorant (in the actual definitional sense of not knowing).


What exactly are you guys trying to insinuate? :huh: I just got around to starting my list to send to Santa.

Preacher
08-25-2009, 04:22 PM
What exactly are you guys trying to insinuate? :huh: I just got around to starting my list to send to Santa.

:chuckle: I don't want to speak for FS... but I think we both are sorry and fully look forward to Santa coming this christmas. Right FS? :wink02:

HometownGal
08-25-2009, 05:05 PM
The internet is the next generation of the same thing. It is even faster in communication and as such, is more personal because the response to immediate problems is that much quicker.

____________________________


As this nutcase found out after she "fell in love" with her fantasy soldier, a person can be anyone they want to be over the internet unfortunately. If she had a fraction of a brain cell, she would have wanted to take the "internet love" a little bit farther, i.e. phone conversation, a face-to-face meeting, etc. On that basis alone, Father, I will have to disagree with your opinion here.

Originally Posted by fansince'76
"It was real to her" and actually being "real" are two different things. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were quite real to me as a child too. I still don't believe a word she says, personally.

BINGO. :thumbsup::applaudit:

Glace
08-25-2009, 09:43 PM
I really wish she would just give up and drop this stupid civil case.

But, she won't...

Karma will win in this one....whether she drops it or when she is defeated in court, her life is over. This will affect everything she does from here on out. She won't be able to get another job. She'll be single and alone all her life unless she finds a Patriots fan to settle down with...

So sex with Ben was the best ever eh? Guess when Ben's hangover wore off and he actually saw her without beer goggles, he turned down a second meeting.....and this BS is the result.

steelwalls
08-25-2009, 10:44 PM
Preach, I don't think having an addiction either it be sex or crack excuses a person of commiting a crime, or being stupid.

I'm totally addicted to cigerettes but would never commit a crime just to smoke or us the addiction to justify myself in any way.

I think that people can lie so much that it turns into the 'snow ball effect' but any reasonable person knows in their own mind a lie is a lie, no matter how hard they fight to try and get others to believe it. This lady (like I said) is certainly not the sharpest crayon in the box, but she was hired by a well known Hotel and allowed to interact with that hotels most high profile clients, so she couldnt have thrown up too many (or any) flags when she was hired. She also seemed to have quite a few down to earth friends working in the hotel.

Rape is a terrible thing, but everything in me, and all the evidence I have seen so far tells me BB absolutly did not rape her. I have a very hard time believing that she has some how convinced herself (what she called the best sex of her life) she had been raped.

I just think that sometimes you have to call things as they are, and not look for a reason to explain why someone would do the things they do. Money is a powerful motivator to lie through your teeth for many people, addiction or not.

devilsdancefloor
08-25-2009, 10:45 PM
i dont think she has control of the situation. her lawyer see fame and fortune and will not let her.

steelwalls
08-25-2009, 10:52 PM
i dont think she has control of the situation. her lawyer see fame and fortune and will not let her.

If she has no control over her lawer then she really is very stupid. Perhaps she does 'think' she is not in control anymore, but we can't lose sight of the fact she lied to her lawer to begin with.

mesaSteeler
08-26-2009, 06:32 AM
Roethlisberger's attorneys to seek sanctions
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_640091.html#
By Michael Hasch
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Attorneys for Ben Roethlisberger have notified the attorney for the woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by the Steelers quarterback that they intend to seek sanctions against him for the "frivolous" lawsuit filed against the millionaire football player.

The attorneys notified Reno attorney Calvin Dunlap on Tuesday that he has 21 days to rectify what they call factual errors in the lawsuit before they seek sanctions against him in the Second Judicial District Court of Nevada where the suit was filed.

Dunlap is representing the Nevada resort worker who claims that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her on July 11, 2008, at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino, where she worked as a VIP concierge and he was attending a celebrity golf tournament.

Roethlisberger, 27, has denied assaulting the 31-year-old woman who has never gone to police. The Tribune-Review does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

"Roethlisberger respectfully requests that the fabricators of a scheme masquerading as a lawsuit, designed to harass and embarrass him ... be subject to Rule 11 sanctions," the proposed motion states. "(Roethlisberger) hopes the sanctions will shock (the woman's) counsel back to reality ..."

The Internet Lectric Law Library states: "Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 provides that a district court may sanction attorneys or parties who submit pleadings for an improper purpose or that contain frivolous arguments or arguments that have no evidentiary support."

Dunlap, who could not be reached for comment last night, previously filed court documents accusing Roethlisberger's attorneys of trying to "bully" the woman into dropping her civil suit and for suggesting they might countersue her, a move he said "borders on extortion."

Michael Hasch can be reached at mhasch@tribweb.com or 412-320-7820.

(I like it. Smash mouth defense by Ben's team. McNutty's garbage attorney needs to be sanctioned for bringing this crap lawsuit. - mesa)

HometownGal
08-26-2009, 06:57 AM
:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::hatsoff:

Calvin Dunlap is nothing more than a money grubbing sheister who took this case expecting a huge payday for himself and his client. Not only should he be sanctioned, he should be disbarred.

steelwalls
08-26-2009, 07:58 AM
:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::hatsoff:

Calvin Dunlap is nothing more than a money grubbing sheister who took this case expecting a huge payday for himself and his client. Not only should he be sanctioned, he should be disbarred.


I agree totally. It's far beyond time we start holding these lawyers with $$$ signs in their eyes accountable for ruining (or attempting to ruin) peoples lives all in the name of a large pay check.

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 08:27 AM
:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::hatsoff:

Calvin Dunlap is nothing more than a money grubbing sheister who took this case expecting a huge payday for himself and his client. Not only should he be sanctioned, he should be disbarred.
he and that DA from Durham in the Duke lacross case can start hanging out then. maybe he should call Nfong and asked him about trying to go after innocent people??:chuckle:


previously filed court documents accusing Roethlisberger's attorneys of trying to "bully" the woman into dropping her civil suit and for suggesting they might countersue her, a move he said "borders on extortion."

i am not lawyer, but how is he trying to extort anything from this whack job? she is the one trying to get a large payday..and if she wanted to be paid for sex, i am sure the bunny ranch is hiring??:laughing:

KeiselPower99
08-26-2009, 09:37 AM
Well this case will be over before we score against the Titans.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 09:50 AM
Lawyers attacking lawyers - how sweet is that?

Steelers | Big Ben's attorneys will seek sanctions

Michael Hasch, of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, reports attorneys for Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger have notified the attorney for the woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by Roethlisberger that they intend to seek sanctions against him for the "frivolous" lawsuite filed against the quarterback.

The attorneys notified Reno attorney Calvin Dunlap Tuesday, Aug. 25, that he has 21 days to rectify what they call factual errors in the lawsuit before they seek sanctions against him.

The proposed motion states, "Roethlisberger respectfully requests that the fabricators of a scheme masquerading as a lawsuit, designed to harass and embarrass him ... be subject to Rule 11 sanctions."

alittlejazzbird
08-26-2009, 10:13 AM
The latest, from Profootballtalk...I disagree with Florio about the "private" settlement. No way he should pay her a single dime if he didn't do anything. She chose to bring the suit, she's on the hook for her attorney fees. That's her problem. Ben's attorneys made an offer to pay her legal fees on the record in that first settlement proposal, provided she dropped the suit and wrote an apology letter to Ben, presumably where she would admit she made the whole thing up. She didn't accept, so too bad for her.
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Rumors fly that Roethlisberger's accuser wants to drop suit
Posted by Mike Florio on August 26, 2009 9:16 AM ET
We first heard last week a rumor that the woman accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault wanted to drop the case but that her lawyer, Calvin Dunlap, had strongly advised her against it.

We opted at the time not to mention it here, since we weren't sure how widespread the rumor truly was.

But we've heard the rumor again this morning from a completely separate source, and based on recent developments in the case we're now convinced that the recent push by Roethlisberger to leverage the accuser into walking away suggests that his lawyers believe that the accuser is indeed wavering.

(By the way, some of you have objected to our characterization of recent statements made in briefs filed on behalf of Roethlisberger as being made by Roethlisberger himself. Though the words are coming from his lawyers, they are speaking on his behalf. Thus, their words are his words. So, for example, when the lawyers say that the accuser is mentally unstable, then Roethsliberger himself is making that assertion. We realize that the use of such strong words might not mesh with the image that some fans have of Roethlisberger. In our view, however, pretending that the words aren't really his isn't the best way to come to terms with the reality that, right or wrong, Roethlisberger is indeed using very strong terms to defend himself.)

The lengthy filing that Roethlisberger made on August 21 in support of his motion to dismiss the case suggests that his lawyers might have caught wind of the rumor right here. Not in an official story on the site, but from a comment posted in response to one of our stories from last week.

The potential risk, in our view, is that by pushing the accuser so aggressively to drop the case, Roethlisberger might eventually cause her to decide to stand firm and fight. (For more on this specific dynamic of the human condition, rent or buy Changeling on DVD.)

The accuser's final decision in this regard might largely hinge on whether the accuser really is telling the truth. If she isn't, the smart move would be to throw in the towel and move on.

The problem is that Dunlap possibly has inserted language into his standard fee agreement that would require the plaintiff to reimburse him for all out-of-pocket expenses incurred if the plaintiff acts against Dunlap's advice. So if the plaintiff wants out, she might need to write Dunlap a check bigger than what she can afford. (Typically, the plaintiff's expenses and legal fees are paid from any settlement or judgment, with no cost to the plaintiff if the case ultimately fails.)

That's why we now think the best move for Roethlisberger would be to dangle a chunk of the money he has been spending on legal fees of his own (which are paid by the hour, usually monthly) for a quick and quiet settlement, with very strong language ensuring that the plaintiff and Dunlap will keep the settlement a secret. The goal wouldn't be to make the plaintiff rich, but to give the plaintiff and Dunlap a popcorn trail out of this mess in a manner that allows both of them to save face.

The presence of multiple other defendants complicates the process, however. But we think it should be fairly easy for Harrah's and Roethlisberger to put together a nuisance-level settlement package and resolve this thing under circumstances that will appear to be an abandonment by the plaintiff -- if she also will agree to publicly exonerate Roethlisberger as part of the deal.

So even though Roethlisberger has adopted an extremely aggressive approach, he arguably has been too aggressive to permit a dismissal with no strings attached. If he decides to soften his defense in the short term, he might be able to put this thing behind him via a settlement that, to the average person, would look like a complete and total vindication.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/26/rumors-fly-that-roethlisbergers-accuser-wants-to-drop-suit/

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 10:26 AM
if he pays anything for this woman, i will believe that he did it and just wanted it to go away.

if he is innocent, then he shouldnt pay anything and be as harsh as he can to clear his name

Vis
08-26-2009, 10:57 AM
if he pays anything for this woman, i will believe that he did it and just wanted it to go away.

if he is innocent, then he shouldnt pay anything and be as harsh as he can to clear his name

If they think like you think then Ben has to fight even harder if he is guilty. You can't read any admission of liability into how the suit is fought or resolved.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 11:09 AM
The latest, from Profootballtalk...

Florio is such a titstick - Shoot me now - I had to look


BWAhahahah! - look at the responses in that article to his "take" - ripping the crap out of him!!!

What a steaming pantload - no wonder he's garbage.

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 11:25 AM
Florio is such a titstick - Shoot me now - I had to look


BWAhahahah! - look at the responses in that article to his "take" - ripping the crap out of him!!!

What a steaming pantload - no wonder he's garbage.
they were very funny...lol
like this one

Michael Wackson was not innocent BTW......and Shakespeare was right "Kill all the lawyers".....
and Big Ben should pay something for not learning
that you don't bang every psycho ho that knows who u are

or this one:

"Big Ben Sexgate rolls on!"

fansince'76
08-26-2009, 11:32 AM
http://www.magic.org/store/images/redTop.jpg

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 11:55 AM
The latest, from Profootballtalk...I disagree with Florio about the "private" settlement. No way he should pay her a single dime if he didn't do anything. She chose to bring the suit, she's on the hook for her attorney fees. That's her problem. Ben's attorneys made an offer to pay her legal fees on the record in that first settlement proposal, provided she dropped the suit and wrote an apology letter to Ben, presumably where she would admit she made the whole thing up. She didn't accept, so too bad for her.

Exactly. She's the one who got herself into this mess. The lawyer is probably just pressing on with it hoping that he can collect his fees from Ben, because he sure as hell isn't going to get any money from this psycho wench. Especially if she really is a cool half-million in debt, as her lawsuit would have us believe.

Dino 6 Rings
08-26-2009, 12:03 PM
I hope Ben does sue her Lawyer. Tort Reform in the making if that happens.

KeiselPower99
08-26-2009, 12:11 PM
We dont need health care reform we need lawyer reform.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Well the interesting thing is now she's in a pickle if in fact her attorney built in the clause about reimbursing him for his expenses. Unfortunately the easier route for her, if Ben doesn't offer a settlement, is to carry on with the suit.

Vis
08-26-2009, 12:45 PM
Well the interesting thing is now she's in a pickle if in fact her attorney built in the clause about reimbursing him for his expenses. Unfortunately the easier route for her, if Ben doesn't offer a settlement, is to carry on with the suit.

It's in every fee agreement.

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 12:46 PM
Well the interesting thing is now she's in a pickle if in fact her attorney built in the clause about reimbursing him for his expenses. Unfortunately the easier route for her, if Ben doesn't offer a settlement, is to carry on with the suit.

I found it interesting that the clause says she's on the hook for fees if she "acts against his advice." To me, that says, "OK, I know this woman is certifiably nuts and liable to flip out at any time, and she may well have made the whole thing up ... so I'm going to put this in there to force her to stick with her story."

At this point, forcing her to press on ... well, it's bad enough when the plaintiff plays the legal system like the lottery. We don't need lawyers playing it like the lottery too.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 12:49 PM
It's in every fee agreement.

spoken like a true lawyer

Vis
08-26-2009, 12:51 PM
spoken like a true lawyer

You think the lawyer should pay the costs? Does the doctor pay for the medicine?

alittlejazzbird
08-26-2009, 12:52 PM
We dont need health care reform we need lawyer reform.

This is a subject for another thread, but if we first had tort reform which strictly limited the amount of money for which a person could sue, fewer people (and far fewer attorneys) would test the waters of their questionable cases by filing frivolous, baseless lawsuits. When the payoff stands to be relatively little and the merits are wobbly, attorneys won't take the cases.

That said, I think Ms. McNulty's lawyer has made a good case for consideration of his disbarrment, or at least for very heavy sanctions by the Nevada State Bar. In my opinion, this guy absolutely knew that the case had no merit whatsoever (unless he's really that stupid, which is a scarier thought), and he went forward with it presuming that Ben would open the bank just to make her go away. Otherwise, they wouldn't have tried that extortion letter nonsense earlier in the year.

ben
08-26-2009, 12:52 PM
My 'off the cuff ' comments are that he needs to sue her and she should spend some time in the lockup.

I'll wait until the dust settles for my official comments :chuckle:

Vis
08-26-2009, 12:55 PM
This is a subject for another thread, but if we first had tort reform which strictly limited the amount of money for which a person could sue, fewer people (and far fewer attorneys) would test the waters of their questionable cases by filing frivolous, baseless lawsuits. When the payoff stands to be relatively little and the merits are wobbly, attorneys won't take the cases.

That said, I think Ms. McNulty's lawyer has made a good case for consideration of his disbarrment, or at least for very heavy sanctions by the Nevada State Bar. In my opinion, this guy absolutely knew that the case had no merit whatsoever (unless he's really that stupid, which is a scarier thought), and he went forward with it presuming that Ben would open the bank just to make her go away. Otherwise, they wouldn't have tried that extortion letter nonsense earlier in the year.

Limiting the top end amount doesn't affect the crappy cases, it affects the truly tragic cases that can reach the top end.

Vis
08-26-2009, 12:57 PM
My 'off the cuff ' comments are that he needs to sue her and she should spend some time in the lockup.

I'll wait until the dust settles for my official comments :chuckle:

He can counter sue. What he probably can't do is collect anything. What crime did she commit?

Edman
08-26-2009, 01:02 PM
This is good. This was not a case and had bullshit written all over it.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:04 PM
You think the lawyer should pay the costs? Does the doctor pay for the medicine?

Does the doctor tell a patient to invent an illness so he can line his pockets?

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:08 PM
Does the doctor tell a patient to invent an illness so he can line his pockets?

No, does a lawyer? Do you think this lawyer advertised for women who had slept with football players or do you think she went looking for a lawyer? Should he have taken the case? Probably. Should he have filed? Probably not if he had done any investigation. But She had to have initiated this on her own. Now doctors will order questionable MRI's if they own the machine.

KeiselPower99
08-26-2009, 01:08 PM
He can counter sue. What he probably can't do is collect anything. What crime did she commit?

She sued and what crime did Ben commit?

ben
08-26-2009, 01:09 PM
He can counter sue. What he probably can't do is collect anything. What crime did she commit?

[I'm not a lawyer] Well seeing that she did not file a criminal complaint there really isn't any law broken for making false reports but to go along with my 'off the cuff' comments lets put her in jail on the principle of the matter :thumbsup:

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:14 PM
She sued and what crime did Ben commit?

Ben hasn't been arrested. He's not facing any criminal charges.

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:16 PM
[I'm not a lawyer] Well seeing that she did not file a criminal complaint there really isn't any law broken for making false reports but to go along with my 'off the cuff' comments lets put her in jail on the principle of the matter :thumbsup:

Slander is the best he can do but it would just cost him $$ when she doesn't have anything to get.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 01:20 PM
It's in every fee agreement.

I'm not a civil lawyer so I don't know what their fee agreement is, but I do know some of them work on 100% contingency. Having the fees be reimbursed from the award before you take your 30% is standard but I'm not sure fee reimbursement in the absence of an award is standard, or else he wouldn't have mentioned it.

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:24 PM
I'm not a civil lawyer so I don't know what their fee agreement is, but I do know some of them work on 100% contingency. Having the fees be reimbursed from the award before you take your 30% is standard but I'm not sure fee reimbursement in the absence of an award is standard, or else he wouldn't have mentioned it.

You don't seek reimbursement if you lose or if you withdraw from the case. You do seek it if you win and there are funds to pay it or if the client changes their mind after you put out your own money.

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 01:26 PM
Slander is the best he can do but it would just cost him $$ when she doesn't have anything to get.
that doesnt matter, its the principle of the matter that he should sue her for slander.

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:28 PM
that doesnt matter, its the principle of the matter that he should sue her for slander.

Costly because he'll have to pay his lawyer by the hour.

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 01:30 PM
Costly because he'll have to pay his lawyer by the hour.
maybe he should have thought about paying a hooker by the hour. then he wouldnt be in this mess :rofl:

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:31 PM
doctors will order questionable MRI's if they own the machine.

You slick big city ambulance ch.......er, lawyers, have all the answers.

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:33 PM
You slick big city ambulance ch.......er, lawyers, have all the answers.


Sorry you're so ignorant about the subject. So tell me your job. I'd love to share my prejudices on it.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:38 PM
You work for me, Mr Taxpayer.

When did you get demoted from Major?

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:42 PM
You work for me, Mr Taxpayer.

When did you get demoted from Major?

Sanford, is that you?

You're not killer on SN

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:46 PM
No cigar, but I love you too man.

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:48 PM
No cigar, but I love you too man.

If you love me you're USM

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:49 PM
Can't we all just get along?

Vis
08-26-2009, 01:51 PM
Can't we all just get along?

Have we ever? Let's keep it lively.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 01:59 PM
I just want all this lawyer business over with so's we can get Ben's head totally on football.

I have spoken.

Vis
08-26-2009, 02:03 PM
I just want all this lawyer business over with so's we can get Ben's head totally on football.

I have spoken.

Look on the bright side. Ben won't be having a Grey Goose and pineapple with Vick.

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Next time let me supply the hookers.

fansince'76
08-26-2009, 02:23 PM
maybe he should have thought about paying a hooker by the hour. then he wouldnt be in this mess :rofl:

Or maybe he should check the hired help at resorts he may be staying at in the future to make sure there aren't any litigious, money-grubbing, borderline whack jobs on staff.

By the way, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Wanna buy it? :coffee:

TackleMeBen
08-26-2009, 02:28 PM
Next time let me supply the hookers.
just make sure they arent whackjobs :wink02:

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 03:28 PM
You think the lawyer should pay the costs? Does the doctor pay for the medicine?

The lawyer's main cost is his own time, which costs him nothing to provide. Not to mention the lawyer understands that working on contingency means there's a risk of walking away with nothing. If he was too dumb to see he was taking a bad case and a bad client, screw him. He got what he deserved and I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

Vis
08-26-2009, 03:53 PM
The lawyer's main cost is his own time, which costs him nothing to provide. Not to mention the lawyer understands that working on contingency means there's a risk of walking away with nothing. If he was too dumb to see he was taking a bad case and a bad client, screw him. He got what he deserved and I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

The lawyer's time is compensated by his fee. An attorney working on a contingency knows he may get nothing. The reason contingency fees exist are so that people who cannot afford an hourly attorney can use the system. Otherwise only the rich would have access. Costs are costs, passed on to the client with no markup. They include filing fees, copy costs usually charged by medical providers for copies of the medical records (btw, the doctors mark those up so they profit from providing the records), witness fees, hourly rates of Doctors if you depose them or bring them to trial, etc... I have a pending case with $20k spent to get the case ready to try. if it doesn't settle another $20k will need to be spend on bringing Doctors and experts to testify. This is why the frivalous lawsuit is a myth and propaganda. It cost way too much to bring a case for a lawyer to take a bad case. Even good cases that aren't big enough are turned down. To be worth the cost you really need major injuries and clear liability.

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 04:10 PM
The lawyer's time is compensated by his fee. An attorney working on a contingency knows he may get nothing. The reason contingency fees exist are so that people who cannot afford an hourly attorney can use the system. Otherwise only the rich would have access. Costs are costs, passed on to the client with no markup. They include filing fees, copy costs usually charged by medical providers for copies of the medical records (btw, the doctors mark those up so they profit from providing the records), witness fees, hourly rates of Doctors if you depose them or bring them to trial, etc... I have a pending case with $20k spent to get the case ready to try. if it doesn't settle another $20k will need to be spend on bringing Doctors and experts to testify. This is why the frivalous lawsuit is a myth and propaganda. It cost way too much to bring a case for a lawyer to take a bad case. Even good cases that aren't big enough are turned down. To be worth the cost you really need major injuries and clear liability.

I'm not trying to debate what makes a frivolous lawsuit ... all I'm saying is that lawyers know what they're risking by working on contingency, and if this case blows up in his face, he probably should've known better.

What you said makes sense, but basically all of it just reinforces my point: Be careful before you press ahead with a case on contingency, because no one's going to feel sorry for you if it doesn't work out. They'll say it's your own damn fault for not having better judgment, and they'll be right.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 04:38 PM
I'm not trying to debate what makes a frivolous lawsuit ... all I'm saying is that lawyers know what they're risking by working on contingency, and if this case blows up in his face, he probably should've known better.

What you said makes sense, but basically all of it just reinforces my point: Be careful before you press ahead with a case on contingency, because no one's going to feel sorry for you if it doesn't work out. They'll say it's your own damn fault for not having better judgment, and they'll be right.

I think the distinction is you agree to take a case before you know all the facts. Lots of cases seem good and go south and vice versa. I doubt she walked into his office and said, "Hey I'm a bat shit crazy chic who concocted a made up relationship with a GI and bragged to my friends about banging Big Ben." Much like my clients always say, I didn't do whatever crime they are accusing me of.

On the flip side some ugly cases end up being great cases. That doesn't change the fact that the attorney should be compensated for his time. If every lawyer worked on flat fees or hourly billing, everyone would be complaining that attorneys are too expensive. They already are!

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 05:02 PM
I think the distinction is you agree to take a case before you know all the facts. Lots of cases seem good and go south and vice versa. I doubt she walked into his office and said, "Hey I'm a bat shit crazy chic who concocted a made up relationship with a GI and bragged to my friends about banging Big Ben." Much like my clients always say, I didn't do whatever crime they are accusing me of.

On the flip side some ugly cases end up being great cases. That doesn't change the fact that the attorney should be compensated for his time. If every lawyer worked on flat fees or hourly billing, everyone would be complaining that attorneys are too expensive. They already are!

I don't think the lawyer deserves to be compensated when he takes a shitty case. The whole idea behind contingency -- in any profession -- is that you trade security for a chance at a bigger payout, and it's up to you to decide whether it's worth the risk. It's up to you to figure out how likely it is, and that's the chance you take; you aren't entitled to have your cake and eat it too.

Really ... as a lawyer or any other freelance-type professional, it's still up to you to decide what's a worthwhile use of your time and what's not. It may not always be the lawyer's fault when he takes a bad contingency case, but I have a hard time believing that it's always caused just by being unlucky. Just as likely he used bad judgment on his own part, which doesn't entitle him to anything.

alittlejazzbird
08-26-2009, 07:28 PM
Lawyer for Harrah's employees moves to dismiss case regarding Steelers QB Roethlisberger
BY MARTHA BELLISLE • MBELLISLE@RGJ.COM • AUGUST 26, 2009

The Harrah’s worker who claims Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger raped her and management covered it up sent e-mails to the security chief saying Roethlisberger was “so effing hot” and joked of carrying “Big Ben’s baby,” a lawyer for the Harrah’s employees said Wednesday in a motion to dismiss the case.

Also Wednesday, Roethlisberger’s lawyers threatened to file a motion for sanctions against Andrea McNulty’s lawyer, Cal Dunlap, saying he failed to make a “reasonable inquiry” into her claims, and if he had, he would have “discovered that the evidence does not support (her) reckless allegations.”

Roethlisberger “respectfully requests that the fabricators of a scheme masquerading as a lawsuit, designed to harass and embarrass him and countless other individuals, be subject to Rule 11 sanctions,” the motion said.

If Dunlap does not respond in 21 days, the lawyers will file the motion in court.

Dunlap could not immediately be reached for comment.

He had filed a motion last week stating that Roethlisberger’s lawyers had failed to comply with “the standards of professional conduct” in the case, and said a letter to McNulty offering her a settlement if she cooperates with them in a case against Dunlap “borders on criminal extortion.”

McNulty filed her suit last month, claiming Roethlisberger lured her to his room on the night of July 11, 2008 while he was at Harrah’s Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament, and raped her. She was working at a desk in the Penthouse suit at that time.

She left Harrah’s in tears, the suit said, and the next day, she said she told Guy Hyder, chief of security, about the alleged attack. The suit says Hyder responded by saying she should feel lucky to have had sex with Roethlisberger, and said he never investigated the claim.

In the months that followed, the suit said, she became increasingly distraught about the alleged attack, and moved in and out of hospitals being treated for depression.

The suit seeks $380,000 in medical bills, and $30,000 in lost wages. McNulty also asked for $1.5 million for emotional distress and $1 million for damaging her reputation, according to a “remedy request” filed on July 6 in Washoe District Court.

According to a statement by Hyder filed with the motion to dismiss, and to e-mails between McNulty and Hyder, she never mentioned being raped, and instead said she wanted to have sex with Reothlisberger and was excited when it happened.

“Ben is so effing hot and I am so bored,” McNulty told Hyder in one e-mail sent on July 11, 2008. Hyder said she looked to him as a father figure and often confided in him about personal matters.

On July 13, 2008, two days after the alleged rape, McNulty wrote a joke memo in an e-mail to Hyder announcing that McNulty was resigning because “she is with Big Ben's child and she has relocated to Pittsburgh.”

“You can be the god father... Uncle Guy,” McNulty said in the next e-mail.

In a written statement, Hyder said McNulty’s only concern about the sexual encounter with Roethlisberger was fear that management might find out. She also was upset that she had cheated on a man named Ben, a soldier in Iraq, with whom she was having an online romance.

But in the fall of 2008, McNulty learned that Ben did not exist and the e-mail interactions had been a trick, Hyder said. She became so distraught over the hoax that she began to see doctors and ended up at a hospital, Hyder said.

In the motion for sanctions, Roethlisberger’s lawyers said McNulty’s friends and co-workers made similar statements about McNulty boasting about having sex with Roethlisberger, but Dunlap ignorned them.

After learning of the allegations from Dunlap, the motion said, Harrah’s conducted an investigation and sent him a letter refuting the claims and offering affidavits made under oath by various co-workers who disputed McNulty’s claims.

“Instead of acting as ‘a trained professional’ who (is) expected to exercise independent judgment’ as required by Nevada law, plaintiff’s counsel vehemently attached Harrah’s for the result of the independent investigation that he demanded it conduct,” the motion said.

Therefore, sanctions are warranted, the motion said.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20090826/NEWS18/90826031/1321/NEWS

Fire Haley
08-26-2009, 08:19 PM
“Instead of acting as ‘a trained professional’ who (is) expected to exercise independent judgment’ as required by Nevada law, plaintiff’s counsel vehemently attacked Harrah’s for the result of the independent investigation that he demanded it conduct,” the motion said.

Fry her ass, then fry the lawyer's ass, then fry everybody in the state of Nevada.

Nuke them from orbit if you have to, we need our QB's head clear for the start of the season.



I have spoken.

mesaSteeler
08-26-2009, 11:03 PM
(I rarely post stuff from this website but if the Steeler hating tool Florio thinks McNuttys case is weak then it's looking better and better for Big Ben. - mesa)

New e-mails from Roethsliberger accuser are the most damaging yet
Posted by Mike Florio on August 26, 2009 10:43 PM ET
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/26/new-e-mails-from-roethsliberger-accuser-are-the-most-damaging-yet/

With every new day, a new development seems to unfold in the sexual assault civil action against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and a battalion of employees at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe.

And with each development, the claims made by the woman accusing Roethlisberger of sexual assault seem to become weaker.

Though we've yet to see a smoking gun, the most recent series of e-mails produced as exhibits to a motion, filed today, to dismiss the claims against several of the Harrah's employees is perhaps the closest thing we've seen to evidence directly refuting the notion that Roethlisberger raped the plaintiff.

In an e-mail that the accuser sent to Guy Hyder, Harrah's director of security, on the very day the alleged rape occurred, the accuser typed, "Ben is so effing hot and I am so bored."

Then, two days after the alleged rape, the accuser joked that she was quitting her job and moving to Pittsburgh because she was pregnant with Roethlisberger's child.

"You can be the god father . . . Uncle Guy," the accuser wrote in the next e-mail that she sent.

In another e-mail, the accuser wrote, "Hail Mary full of grace give me the strength to not go to his room to fix his television." (The timing of this e-mail isn't clear. If it was sent before the alleged assault, then this might very well be a smoking gun.)

Look, Calvin Dunlap can hire if he so chooses a 53-man roster full of experts who'll testify that rape victims sometimes make light of the trauma they've suffered as a coping mechanism. But when the broad array of behaviors in which the accuser engaged after the fact is coupled with an e-mail written prior to the alleged rape in which the accuser comes off like a modern-day Mae West, something is very wrong with this picture.

On one hand, we don't want to say anything that might keep actual rape victims from coming forward. On the other hand, we're beginning to fear that this specific case could set back the broader cause by several decades, since the circumstantial evidence seems to be pointing to a conclusion that anything that happened between Roethlisberger and his accuser was consensual. And so when the plaintiff's claim fails -- and fail we now believe it likely will -- women who truly have been victimized might decide to remain silent based solely on the fact that Roethlisberger's accuser wasn't able to make her apparently trumped-up charges stick.

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 11:32 PM
Fry her ass, then fry the lawyer's ass, then fry everybody in the state of Nevada.

Nuke them from orbit if you have to, we need our QB's head clear for the start of the season.

I have spoken.

No. We need to have gambling and drinking and whoring. This case aside, Nevada represents everything that's right in the world.

Vis
08-27-2009, 05:45 AM
I don't think the lawyer deserves to be compensated when he takes a shitty case. The whole idea behind contingency -- in any profession -- is that you trade security for a chance at a bigger payout, and it's up to you to decide whether it's worth the risk. It's up to you to figure out how likely it is, and that's the chance you take; you aren't entitled to have your cake and eat it too.

Really ... as a lawyer or any other freelance-type professional, it's still up to you to decide what's a worthwhile use of your time and what's not. It may not always be the lawyer's fault when he takes a bad contingency case, but I have a hard time believing that it's always caused just by being unlucky. Just as likely he used bad judgment on his own part, which doesn't entitle him to anything.

Of course a lawyer for the defense gets paid by the hour even if the plaintiff is 100% correct and the defense is frivolous.

Now look at the cases that are close calls. What would you have them do then? Say you have a case you believe in but it's 60% likely you win. Will you like hearing that no one will take the case because of the odds and the economics of litigation?

No one like a lawyer until they need one.
Ben's lawyer is a genius but Donte Stallworth's lawyer was scum. Same guy.

St33lersguy
08-27-2009, 06:40 AM
I knew she was lying,and I knew this case would go south. I agree that the woman and her lawyer should be fried

SteelMember
08-27-2009, 06:46 AM
7 defendants move for dismissal
Reno lawyer notes Roethlisberger's case is 'alleged workplace injury and remarkable implausibility'
Thursday, August 27, 2009
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Attorneys representing seven of the eight Harrah's Lake Tahoe employees named as defendants in the sexual-assault case involving Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger have filed a motion to dismiss the case.

Roethlisberger and the eighth Harrah's defendant made a similar request through their respective lawyers nearly two weeks ago.

The filing, submitted late Tuesday to Washoe County Court in Reno, Nev., includes a point-by-point rebuttal of many of the claims made in the plaintiff's July 17 lawsuit, concluding that "it appears to be more of a screenplay than a legal pleading."

"Although steeped in media attention and publicity because of the celebrity status of the first-named defendant, this case is a simple case involving an alleged workplace injury and remarkable implausibility," said lawyer Margo Piscevich, of the Reno law firm Piscevich & Fenner.

Piscevich represents defendants John Koster, Guy Hyder, Mark Masters, Dave Monroe, Mike Rosenow, Debbie Neall and Bryan Casuscelli, all current or former Harrah's Lake Tahoe employees.

The plaintiff, a 31-year-old woman who was a VIP host at Harrah's, has filed a civil suit against Roethlisberger, claiming he assaulted her in his hotel room while in Lake Tahoe for a July 2008 charity golf outing. She included the Harrah's employees in the lawsuit, claiming they protected the hotel and Roethlisberger.

Calvin R.X. Dunlap, the attorney representing Roethlisberger's accuser, could not be reached for comment. The Post-Gazette does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

Piscevich, in her filing, said the plaintiff claims "she was sexually assaulted at her place of employment, during work hours, in the course and scope of her employment as a casino host, by a famous football star."

Because the complaint is based on "a claimed workplace injury," Piscevich said, a lawsuit against her co-workers "is banned by the worker compensation statutes in Nevada."

The request for dismissal also includes testimony and e-mail records that Piscevich said supports her clients. She also said that it supports the contention that the sex between the plaintiff and Roethlisberger was consensual.

According to text messages to defendant Hyder, the plaintiff said Roethlisberger was "hot" and that she was "falling in lust" with him. She also boasted that she was carrying "Big Ben's baby" and that after she "relocated to Pittsburgh," Hyder could be the baby's godfather.

"When the complaint in this case is stripped of exaggeration and conjecture, it will be seen as hollow and insufficient to support any claims against these defendants as a matter of law," Piscevich said. "Accordingly, the court should dismiss all claims against these defendants, with prejudice."



Read more: http://postgazette.com/pg/09239/993564-66.stm#ixzz0PNphOATe

HometownGal
08-27-2009, 06:50 AM
No. We need to have gambling and drinking and whoring. This case aside, Nevada represents everything that's right in the world.

:mallet: :buttkick: :laughing:

jjpro11
08-27-2009, 08:44 AM
this had quickly changed from something that could potentially severely damage on Ben's reputation, career and this season, to nothing more than a farce and an afterthought. hopefully it gets dismissed before the season starts so we don't have to hear a thing of it during the season.

steelwalls
08-27-2009, 08:47 AM
this had quickly changed from something that could potentially severely damage on Ben's reputation, career and this season, to nothing more than a farce and an afterthought. hopefully it gets dismissed before the season starts so we don't have to hear a thing of it during the season.

Oh we will stil hear about it, just go to the Yahoo boards and see the people that have allready convicted Ben of every crime known to man.

Vis
08-27-2009, 09:53 AM
Oh we will stil hear about it, just go to the Yahoo boards and see the people that have allready convicted Ben of every crime known to man.

They didn't need this story. Success is envied

steelwalls
08-27-2009, 09:59 AM
They didn't need this story. Success is envied


Yeap, however the haters got a freakin early birthday and christmas all rolled into one with this one. Don't even try to talk sence into them....

alittlejazzbird
08-27-2009, 11:22 AM
Mr. Anti-Steeler, Mike Florio, hammers in the final coffin nail. It's actually going to be fun to see how Andrea and her attorney respond to all of this. There will probably be no repercussions to either of them, but boy, there should be.
************************************************** ************
Ben's accuser has a big problem
Posted by Mike Florio on August 27, 2009 11:07 AM ET

We mentioned last night the reports regarding the contents of the motion to dismiss filed Wednesday on behalf of most of the Harrah's employees who have been joined to the civil sexual assault lawsuit against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The news accounts mentioned e-mail messages from the accuser that seemed to put several large nails into the coffin of the case.

We've now obtained the e-mails that were attached to the affidavit submitted by Harrah's director of security Guy Hyder, and it sure looks to us as if the claims were grossly exaggerated at best, flat-out made up at worst.

The incident supposedly occurred on the evening of July 11, 2008. The accuser claims that Roethlisberger lured her to his room by asking her to fix his television.

We mentioned last night the following e-mail that could, based on its timing, be a smoking gun: "hail mary full of grace give me the strength not to go to his room and fix his television."

Last night's news reports, however, didn't indicate when the e-mail was sent. Lawyer Calvin Dunlap apparently plans to hire a host of experts who'll testify that inconsistent post-incident behavior from the accuser was nevertheless consistent with the actions of some rape victims who are trying to cope with the aftermath of the ordeal.

But anything that she might have said before the alleged incident can't find refuge in that same rationale.

And the e-mail in question was sent on Friday, July 11. At 12:45 a.m.

Essentially, it was sent on what generally would be regarded as late Thursday night, a day before the alleged incident.

A day before the alleged incident.

So a jury is ultimately going to be asked to believe that Roethlisberger used a broken television as cover for getting the accuser into his room when, in reality, a day before the alleged deed she was musing about using a broken telvision as cover for getting into his room.

It's a serious problem. The immediate challenge for the accuser and her lawyer is to find a path out of this maze that results in minimal financial cost and overall embarrassment.

Given the aggressive manner in which Roethlisberger has defended the case to date, we're not so sure that there's going to be an escape hatch.

That said, we continue to think that the wisest move would be for Ben to give them one, if it means getting this thing behind him before the regular season begins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/27/bens-accuser-has-a-big-problem/

klick81
08-27-2009, 12:03 PM
No escape, no mercy.

tunes4life
08-27-2009, 12:15 PM
Unfortunately, this nut-job(s) is most likely not going to receive any repercussions from these bogus allegations. Other than the accuser and her lawyer being completely embarrassed, I can't see any punishment forthcoming. Ben's lawyers know that if he went after the crazy beotch, and she ended up attempting to commit suicide or something, he would once again be made out to be the bad guy. What really needs to happen is some new laws. The state should be responsible for going after people that have such obviously false claims. Unfortunately it will never happen because the state will see any legislation like that as something that would dissuade people from coming forward with real cases. I guess we'll just have to continue to deal with these nut jobs.

BTW, I'm no lawyer, but I play one on TV.

Enough of this BS, throw the wacko in a padded room and get on with the season.

Go Steelers!

TackleMeBen
08-27-2009, 12:20 PM
so you mean she already picked out the excuse she would use if she were to get caught being in his room. that sounds like grounds to terminate her employment if you ask me.

alittlejazzbird
08-27-2009, 12:27 PM
so you mean she already picked out the excuse she would use if she were to get caught being in his room. that sounds like grounds to terminate her employment if you ask me.

I think they can pretty safely terminate her employment on the grounds that she admitted to having sex with a guest on company property, and while she was on the clock (which according to company policy is a terminable offense). And her superiors who covered up for her -- those who are still employed by Harrah's -- should be terminated as well for violating company policy and failing to act appropriately in their capacities as those who were obligated to report this conduct.

LadyVader
08-27-2009, 12:32 PM
He must think there is some merit to take it on.

I'm sure there are things he knows that he's not divulging where bens' attys won't shut up

alittlejazzbird
08-27-2009, 12:39 PM
He must think there is some merit to take it on.

I'm sure there are things he knows that he's not divulging where bens' attys won't shut up

Read the Motion for Sanctions, starting at page 13, and then come back and tell us all what you think he's not divulging. I'd be interested to hear your theory.

http://www.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J7141277826.PDF

fansince'76
08-27-2009, 12:45 PM
He must think there is some merit to take it on.

Yeah, there's about 102 million reasons, I'm guessing. Dude's a shyster-and-a-half, IMO.

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 12:58 PM
Of course a lawyer for the defense gets paid by the hour even if the plaintiff is 100% correct and the defense is frivolous.

Now look at the cases that are close calls. What would you have them do then? Say you have a case you believe in but it's 60% likely you win. Will you like hearing that no one will take the case because of the odds and the economics of litigation?

No one like a lawyer until they need one.
Ben's lawyer is a genius but Donte Stallworth's lawyer was scum. Same guy.

Again, that's really up to the lawyer to decide whether the risk is worth it. They can go decide whatever the hell they want, and I'm sure a lot of them do only take borderline cases on a flat rate. That's called managing your risk. Yeah, if you're the person with the complaint, it sucks to be you, but we already knew one of the biggest problems with the legal system is that it's become so expensive that it produces asinine results on a daily basis.

I'm just not buying the whole idea of "they should be allowed to work on contingency, but if they lose they still deserve to go back and get paid." No. That's not what contingency is.

Back to the original point ... the clause that this woman's attorney put in there just looks mighty odd, and makes it sound like he suspected she was crazy all along.
In this particular case, it seems like its effect is to let the attorney force the case along just by his own will. It lets him play the system like the lottery, and that's not OK. Sorry, buddy, you made a bad choice and you deserve to get burned for it.

Vis
08-27-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm just not buying the whole idea of "they should be allowed to work on contingency, but if they lose they still deserve to go back and get paid." No. That's not what contingency is.

Back to the original point ... the clause that this woman's attorney put in there just looks mighty odd, and makes it sound like he suspected she was crazy all along.
In this particular case, it seems like its effect is to let the attorney force the case along just by his own will. It lets him play the system like the lottery, and that's not OK. Sorry, buddy, you made a bad choice and you deserve to get burned for it.

Who ever said he should get paid? And the clause isn't suspect, it's in every contingency contract I've ever seen. You don't seem to understand the difference between a cost and a fee.

SteelersinCA
08-27-2009, 01:14 PM
Again, that's really up to the lawyer to decide whether the risk is worth it. They can go decide whatever the hell they want, and I'm sure a lot of them do only take borderline cases on a flat rate. That's called managing your risk. Yeah, if you're the person with the complaint, it sucks to be you, but we already knew one of the biggest problems with the legal system is that it's become so expensive that it produces asinine results on a daily basis.

I'm just not buying the whole idea of "they should be allowed to work on contingency, but if they lose they still deserve to go back and get paid." No. That's not what contingency is.

Back to the original point ... the clause that this woman's attorney put in there just looks mighty odd, and makes it sound like he suspected she was crazy all along.
In this particular case, it seems like its effect is to let the attorney force the case along just by his own will. It lets him play the system like the lottery, and that's not OK. Sorry, buddy, you made a bad choice and you deserve to get burned for it.

A lawyer's retainer is a contract, if you don't like the terms don't sign. Seems pretty simple to me. How can you complain about the terms of a contract two parties agree to?

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 01:24 PM
Who ever said he should get paid?

I think the distinction is you agree to take a case before you know all the facts. Lots of cases seem good and go south and vice versa. I doubt she walked into his office and said, "Hey I'm a bat shit crazy chic who concocted a made up relationship with a GI and bragged to my friends about banging Big Ben." Much like my clients always say, I didn't do whatever crime they are accusing me of.

On the flip side some ugly cases end up being great cases. That doesn't change the fact that the attorney should be compensated for his time. If every lawyer worked on flat fees or hourly billing, everyone would be complaining that attorneys are too expensive. They already are!

There's your answer to that, anyway, unless I'm misreading something.

And the clause isn't suspect, it's in every contingency contract I've ever seen. You don't seem to understand the difference between a cost and a fee.

Oh, I understand the difference. You just don't seem to understand what I'm saying, which is that when you take on any kind of work on contingency, you know full well there's risk involved, and I do not feel sorry for you at all if you don't collect a fee for your time, or even LOSE your own money that you put into the project, because it was your choice. Free will works both ways.

Vis
08-27-2009, 01:32 PM
There's your answer to that, anyway, unless I'm misreading something.



Oh, I understand the difference. You just don't seem to understand what I'm saying, which is that when you take on any kind of work on contingency, you know full well there's risk involved, and I do not feel sorry for you at all if you don't collect a fee for your time, or even LOSE your own money that you put into the project, because it was your choice. Free will works both ways.

What the contract will say is that costs are the responsibility if the client. The firm may, in it's discretion, advance some costs but they remain the responsibility of the client. This is explained before the client agrees to hire the attorney. Why do you have a problem with it?

It's like a builder getting paid for his labor and getting reimbursed for the cost of the light fixture except the attorney can't mark up a cost.

The_WARDen
08-27-2009, 01:35 PM
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:coffee:

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 01:39 PM
A lawyer's retainer is a contract, if you don't like the terms don't sign. Seems pretty simple to me. How can you complain about the terms of a contract two parties agree to?

It's really not even the contract, so much as how this guy may be trying to leverage it to stubbornly drag the case on and on. Essentially, he's hoping that since the only cost to him is his own time, he can use that fact to make things so expensive for Ben (or the hotel) that a settlement will be cheaper than paying their attorneys' fees, and they'll cave. That's abusing the legal system in a big way, and if that's really his intention, I hope he dies by falling off the bed and breaking his neck while trying to suck his own dick.

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 01:41 PM
What the contract will say is that costs are the responsibility if the client. The firm may, in it's discretion, advance some costs but they remain the responsibility of the client. This is explained before the client agrees to hire the attorney. Why do you have a problem with it?

It's like a builder getting paid for his labor and getting reimbursed for the cost of the light fixture except the attorney can't mark up a cost.

Like I said in the last post, it's not the clause itself, so much as what can happen if the lawyer abuses a clause like that. I've got a big problem with that.

Vis
08-27-2009, 01:41 PM
It's really not even the contract, so much as how this guy may be trying to leverage it to stubbornly drag the case on and on. Essentially, he's hoping that since the only cost to him is his own time, he can leverage that to make things so expensive for Ben (or the hotel) that a settlement will be cheaper than paying their attorneys' fees, and they'll cave. That's abusing the legal system in a big way, and if that's really his intention, I hope he dies by falling off the bed and breaking his neck while trying to suck his own dick.

We're boring The_WARDen.

Fire Haley
08-27-2009, 01:48 PM
New e-mails from Roethsliberger accuser are the most damaging yet - ( A false headline if there ever was one)

oops

Ben's accuser has a big problem

Florio's bailing out!!!!

ha ha!


PFT is pure garbage and this proves it. Florio is still trying to run his smear campaign by telling Ben to accept a settlement? What a douchebag - Ben should sue his ass for defamation of character - I can't wait to see him write that headline!

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 01:52 PM
We're boring The_WARDen.

OK, well then tell him to look at this:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rodeo

You can't go wrong with a Japanese bikini chick mechanical bull pie fight. That ought to spice up the thread.

Preacher
08-27-2009, 01:57 PM
So a jury is ultimately going to be asked to believe that Roethlisberger used a broken television as cover for getting the accuser into his room when, in reality, a day before the alleged deed she was musing about using a broken telvision as cover for getting into his room.

Game Set and Match.

There should be a way to go after a lawyer if he or she is using a person that is mentally unstable to line his own pockets.

TackleMeBen
08-27-2009, 02:14 PM
and lawyers want to know why regular people dont like them..lol

LadyVader
08-27-2009, 02:16 PM
I can't believe the way you are coming down on this atty where was this outrage for kobe

steelreserve
08-27-2009, 03:01 PM
I can't believe the way you are coming down on this atty where was this outrage for kobe

That was a criminal case.

Gnutella
08-28-2009, 12:30 AM
I can't believe the way you are coming down on this atty where was this outrage for kobe

I don't believe Kobe Bryant raped anybody...but he did cheat on his wife. If I've ever been critical of him, it's for that reason.

tony hipchest
08-28-2009, 12:53 AM
f^%k kobe.

he pounded his "victim" in the ass and left behind evidence he had no choice but to pay for.

SteelersinCA
08-28-2009, 01:07 AM
That was a criminal case.

I fail to see how that is a difference, you don't think the exact type of negotiations aren't going on in both cases? There are no monetary settlements in criminal cases, but she got one. It was to stave off a civil suit. It's no different. All this chic has to do is file a criminal complaint at the police station to make it a criminal complaint.

sixstringlass
08-28-2009, 01:41 AM
All this chic has to do is file a criminal complaint at the police station to make it a criminal complaint.

But she won't, 'cause there are penalties for filing a false police report.

shinoff2183
08-28-2009, 01:56 AM
I don't believe Kobe Bryant raped anybody...but he did cheat on his wife. If I've ever been critical of him, it's for that reason.



I think kobe got a bad rap for that, and I hope ben comes out ok. Even though I hate the lakers. I wonder why this doesnt seem to get the attention the kobe case did, maybe because of LA instead of Pitts.

steelreserve
08-28-2009, 02:21 AM
I fail to see how that is a difference, you don't think the exact type of negotiations aren't going on in both cases? There are no monetary settlements in criminal cases, but she got one. It was to stave off a civil suit. It's no different. All this chic has to do is file a criminal complaint at the police station to make it a criminal complaint.

Yeah, only in the Kobe case, the attempt at a criminal case was a lot more coherent. Even though it was still crazy and semi-serious, they could still keep up appearances and there was at least a plausible threat of going to jail, because who knows what the system will spit out in a case like that? That gave her lawyers a lot more room to push forward without crossing the line into abusing the system.

You can't seriously believe Kobe settled the case to avoid a civil suit. He settled it to buy her off from pressing criminal charges, which was costing him far more in attorneys' fees, reputation, and anything else you could care to name. The fact that they had a possible civil case was just a backup threat to hold over his head. That poor guy was dead to rights.

The woman in Ben's case can't get within 100 feet of a police station without ruining her case, and her lawyer knows it, and the public knows it. Any lawyer worth half a shit would have told her to file a police report first, because if you don't, the first question they ask you in a civil case is going to be, "Well, if there was a crime, why in the hell didn't you ever call the police?"

The lawyer in the Kobe case was just a hard-ass taking advantage of the situation (which I don't necessarily agree with, but whatever); in Ben's case, it's past that. If you don't have a case at all, and you're just pushing forward to try and make the other side settle because your tactics can force them to rack up expenses, you're a total shithead and you ought to be disbarred.


note: I don't think Kobe was guilty of rape either, in case anyone was wondering. He just got himself in a worse situation considering the circumstances. He and Ben both got rooked.

OX1947
08-28-2009, 03:25 AM
I think kobe got a bad rap for that, and I hope ben comes out ok. Even though I hate the lakers. I wonder why this doesnt seem to get the attention the kobe case did, maybe because of LA instead of Pitts.

Because Kobe is one of the most hated athletes in America. If you are not a Kobe fan, you hate Kobe. Kobe is loved everywhere in the world from Europe to China, but in America, he is very disliked. So add the celebrity "getting his" mentality of this society, and the hate, and that he is in LA and he wins, that's how that went. Whats funny about the KObe thing was I like the comments on how "i dont think he raped her, but he cheated" That always made me laugh. MLK, Jesse Jackson, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, Bill Clinton, Jack Nicholson, etc etc etc are and were all known cheaters, yet when Kobe did it, he was the devil. Hypocracy in this country is what creates its undoing.

Preacher
08-28-2009, 03:30 AM
Because Kobe is one of the most hated athletes in America. If you are not a Kobe fan, you hate Kobe. Kobe is loved everywhere in the world from Europe to China, but in America, he is very disliked. So add the celebrity "getting his" mentality of this society, and the hate, and that he is in LA and he wins, that's how that went. Whats funny about the KObe thing was I like the comments on how "i dont think he raped her, but he cheated" That always made me laugh. MLK, Jesse Jackson, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, Bill Clinton, Jack Nicholson, etc etc etc are and were all known cheaters, yet when Kobe did it, he was the devil. Hypocracy in this country is what creates its undoing.


Well, I felt kinda the same way about him cheating. However, I felt that way about every person mentioned as well.

If you are not man enough to live up to your vows to your wife, how do I EVER trust that you to live up to any other vows or promises?

For me, cheating on the wife is a VERY big issue.

steelreserve
08-28-2009, 03:39 AM
Hey, don't forget the cheating wives. There are plenty of those too.

Cheating should come as a surprise to no one. People are animals, that's all it boils down to.

TackleMeBen
08-28-2009, 06:03 AM
isnt there a statue of limitations on how long you have to file a criminal report. and what good what it do now? there is no evidence(and you know what kind i am talking about), and since 2008 how many times has that room been cleaned?

i also agree that kobe didnt rape anyone, he just wanted to try it another way that his wife probably wouldnt let him...lol

SteelersinCA
08-28-2009, 09:07 AM
I think in Nevada it is 7 years. Criminal statutes of limitations are generally much longer than civil.

Steelreserve: maybe Ben dumped it in her butt too, we don't know those details yet. They didn't come out in Kobe's case until much later. It could be the same exact situation. One thing that seems very possible to me at this point is that they had some kind of consensual sexual encounter. That being said, Ben is not in the clear based on that alone.

I'm hoping this all goes away but we don't know much of anything from her side yet. Maybe there is nothing?

fansince'76
08-28-2009, 09:10 AM
I think kobe got a bad rap for that, and I hope ben comes out ok. Even though I hate the lakers. I wonder why this doesnt seem to get the attention the kobe case did, maybe because of LA instead of Pitts.

Or maybe because there were criminal charges filed and an arrest made in Kobe's case. The only thing there is in Ben's case is a civil complaint filed by a woman with, shall we say, a "very active imagination."

steelreserve
08-28-2009, 12:52 PM
Steelreserve: maybe Ben dumped it in her butt too, we don't know those details yet.

Ahh, man, for some reason, that way that was worded made me bust out laughing.


Steelreserve: maybe Ben dumped it in her butt too, They didn't come out in Kobe's case until much later. It could be the same exact situation. One thing that seems very possible to me at this point is that they had some kind of consensual sexual encounter. That being said, Ben is not in the clear based on that alone.

I'm hoping this all goes away but we don't know much of anything from her side yet. Maybe there is nothing?

Well, that could all be right. But if I had to take a guess based on what's out there now, it's that the reason there's been no criminal case against Ben is because she doesn't have a very good case and she knows it. And on the other side of it, her civil case is weakened a lot by not having a criminal case. So that's how the negotiations would be different, which was the original question.

I mean, sure, her lawyer might be trying to negotiate the exact same way as the woman's lawyers in the Kobe case, but seems to me like he's in a lot worse position to do so. Unless, like you said, there's some bombshell out there that we don't know about. But I doubt it.

SteelersinCA
08-28-2009, 06:25 PM
I doubt it too. I hope we are both right! It was meant to make you laugh! I have no problem with debating and keeping it light hearted, after all the #1 reason why we are here is as Steelers fans.

7SteelGal43
08-28-2009, 07:31 PM
New e-mails from Roethsliberger accuser are the most damaging yet - ( A false headline if there ever was one)

oops

Ben's accuser has a big problem

Florio's bailing out!!!!

ha ha!


PFT is pure garbage and this proves it. Florio is still trying to run his smear campaign by telling Ben to accept a settlement? What a douchebag - Ben should sue his ass for defamation of character - I can't wait to see him write that headline!


Florio's just pissed cause he's covering a story that's much ado about NADA.

stillers4me
08-28-2009, 07:35 PM
I thought we'd hear something today.

Wasn't today the (second) deadline to drop the suit or Ben was going to go after her lawyer?

TackleMeBen
08-28-2009, 08:04 PM
Attorneys for Ben Roethlisberger have notified the attorney for the woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by the Steelers quarterback that they intend to seek sanctions against him for the "frivolous" lawsuit filed against the millionaire football player.

The attorneys notified Reno attorney Calvin Dunlap on Tuesday that he has 21 days to rectify what they call factual errors in the lawsuit before they seek sanctions against him in the Second Judicial District Court of Nevada where the suit was filed.

he has until Sept 15 to respond

stillers4me
08-28-2009, 08:26 PM
he has until Sept 15 to respond

otay......:thumbsup:

mesaSteeler
08-28-2009, 11:47 PM
New judge for Roethlisberger's case
Accuser's attorney requested switch; hearings pending
Saturday, August 29, 2009
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09241/994118-66.stm

The civil lawsuit filed against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger by a woman claiming that he sexually assaulted her has been reassigned to a different judge in Washoe County Court in Reno, Nev.

According to one of the attorneys involved in the case, the request for a new judge was made by Calvin R.X. Dunlap, attorney for Roethlisberger's accuser.

Roethlisberger is accused of sexually assaulting a 31-year-old woman employed at Harrah's Lake Tahoe while he was staying there for a July 2008 charity golf event. The woman also sued eight current or former employees of Harrah's.

The Post-Gazette does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

Court officials yesterday said that the case, originally assigned to Chief Judge Jerome Polaha of the Second Judicial District Court, Department 3, has been reassigned to Judge Brent Adams of Department 6.

Judge Adams will rule on motions to dismiss and change-of-venue requests submitted by the defendants. No hearings have been set.

Attorneys in Nevada are permitted one pre-emption of a judge in a case without explanation. Brad Johnston, attorney for one of the Harrah's employees, said the pre-emption came from Mr. Dunlap.

Mr. Dunlap and other attorneys in the case could not be reached for comment.

Judge Polaha, a native of Pennsylvania, played football at the University of Nevada. He was appointed to the bench in March 1999.

Judge Adams, who graduated from the University of Arizona College of Law, was appointed by the governor to a court vacancy in July 1989 and has been elected three times without opposition. A registered Democrat, he is considered to be a candidate for nomination by President Barack Obama to the U.S. District Court, replacing Judge Brian Sandoval, who announced his resignation earlier this month.
Dan Majors can be reached at dmajors@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1456.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09241/994118-66.stm#ixzz0PX44BCTh

Preacher
08-29-2009, 04:03 AM
New judge for Roethlisberger's case


Judge Polaha, a native of Pennsylvania, played football at the University of Nevada. He was appointed to the bench in March 1999.


Smart lawyering by the accuser's lawyer.

mesaSteeler
08-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Smart lawyering by the accuser's lawyer.

Either that or McNutty's lawyer is getting desperate. I would like to think a judge would be able to put his feelings aside even assuming he has any about the Steelers. After all he could have grown up in Phiily. I would think a judge who grew up in PA would bend over backwards to prove their impartially.

TackleMeBen
08-29-2009, 02:18 PM
right now, they need all the help they can get. the case looks pretty bad for his whack job client, so this is probably the best move he could make right at the moment. but it would be funny, if the previous judge was more partial to abused women, and the new one wasnt.(not be sound mean or anything)

OX1947
08-29-2009, 08:36 PM
If I were Big Ben, meaning if I was in his shoes. I would ride this until he doesn't have to pay jack crap. Settling at any point, even just to pay her legal bills, is a bad idea. If you are innocent, you go all the way. That's my opinion anyway.

Glace
08-30-2009, 07:37 AM
There really is something fishy with this.

Any lawyers on this board? Why would you switch judges other than hoping for a more favorable ruling? Stall tactic? Maybe this new judge is going to be part of the payoff if he rules against Ben.

I just feel like this is one of those things that is never going to go away.


And NO, Ben should not pay a single penny....not to pay her court costs....not to settle...nothing. Let this psychotic gold digger get what's coming to her...a big fat legal bill for wasting everybody's time and trying to destroy the reputation of the NFL's best QB.

Steelers
08-30-2009, 04:09 PM
I've heard the following somewhere and I completely agree with it:

Ben should countersue her for defamation and anything else his lawyers can cook up. Take her for all that she's worth and ruin her reputation. Garnish her wages, etc. Then after he wins, he should donate 100% of the money that he receives to a women's shelter or sexual assault victims' group.

Ben gets his name cleared. The money-grubbing profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilter learns a lesson the hard way. ACTUAL rape victims have more and better resources made available to them.

siss
08-30-2009, 04:29 PM
I've heard the following somewhere and I completely agree with it:

Ben should countersue her for defamation and anything else his lawyers can cook up. Take her for all that she's worth and ruin her reputation. Garnish her wages, etc. Then after he wins, he should donate 100% of the money that he receives to a women's shelter or sexual assault victims' group.

Ben gets his name cleared. The money-grubbing profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilter learns a lesson the hard way. ACTUAL rape victims have more and better resources made available to them.

No way, Ben should open the Ben Roethlisberger shelter in McNutty's home town.

TackleMeBen
08-30-2009, 04:46 PM
No way, Ben should open the Ben Roethlisberger shelter in McNutty's home town.
oh that is a great idea...:chuckle: i am sure she would love that one...

SteelersinCA
08-30-2009, 04:48 PM
There really is something fishy with this.

Any lawyers on this board? Why would you switch judges other than hoping for a more favorable ruling? Stall tactic? Maybe this new judge is going to be part of the payoff if he rules against Ben.

I just feel like this is one of those things that is never going to go away.


And NO, Ben should not pay a single penny....not to pay her court costs....not to settle...nothing. Let this psychotic gold digger get what's coming to her...a big fat legal bill for wasting everybody's time and trying to destroy the reputation of the NFL's best QB.

Hard to say, the article says you get one challenge to a judge without disclosing a reason. We would just be speculating at this point. Maybe he didn't like the rulings or tentative rulings he was getting. Maybe the judge said he's inclined to grant the motions to dismiss and he figured he'd take a shot with another judge. He didn't have to disclose his reason, so we'll probably never know.

If it's like CA, you get one free challenge and then the others you have to disclose your reasons. Chances are he didn't get to pick the new judge it was just assigned to him after Dunlap said I want a new judge.

Vis
08-30-2009, 07:36 PM
He didn't get to pick the judge.

TackleMeBen
08-31-2009, 10:22 AM
it doesn't matter it will be a jury trial

SteelersinCA
08-31-2009, 10:59 AM
It matters a bunch, if the judge grants the motions to dismiss it never gets to a jury.

TackleMeBen
08-31-2009, 11:48 AM
my sister says the judge won't dismiss it

steelreserve
08-31-2009, 04:42 PM
My sister says Elvis is still alive, hiding out in the same studio where they faked the moon landing.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's right.

Heck, it doesn't necessarily even mean I have a sister.

T&B fan
08-31-2009, 07:06 PM
My sister says Elvis is still alive, hiding out in the same studio where they faked the moon landing.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's right.

Heck, it doesn't necessarily even mean I have a sister.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: that funny stuff:thumbsup:

SteelersinCA
08-31-2009, 10:37 PM
my sister says the judge won't dismiss it

He may not, but if the judge didn't matter then why did he request a new one???????

devilsdancefloor
08-31-2009, 10:54 PM
My sister says Elvis is still alive, hiding out in the same studio where they faked the moon landing.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's right.

Heck, it doesn't necessarily even mean I have a sister.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

HometownGal
09-01-2009, 04:45 AM
He may not, but if the judge didn't matter then why did he request a new one???????

Exactly. :thumbsup:

http://www.sensetoys.com/toys/images/products/largepics/5209_PuppetBuddies_Medium_WhiteGirl_250.jpg

SteelTalons
09-01-2009, 10:06 AM
My sister says Elvis is still alive, hiding out in the same studio where they faked the moon landing.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's right.

Heck, it doesn't necessarily even mean I have a sister.

:rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl:

alittlejazzbird
09-01-2009, 07:24 PM
Say hello to the woman behind "Ben the Soldier"...

According to the Affidavit of Guy Hyder, security director at Harrah's, Andrea McNulty told him that she was dating a married man named Fritz Klingler (and whomever posted the affidavit where I found it, which I think was one of the Pittsburgh TV station websites, was kind enough to not redact the names). A little internet searching (fortunately easy because he has an unusual name) turned up Christy Klingler, whose husband, according to the website below, is Fritz Klingler. If Andrea is correct that the wife of her married boyfriend set up the entire fake solider hoax, then I'm about 99% sure this is her:

http://activerain.com/cklingler

Thought you might like to see the brains behind Ben the Soldier, and the woman on whom Fritz cheated. With Andrea.

I cannot wait to read your replies. :sofunny:

stillers4me
09-01-2009, 07:31 PM
Christy, you are not only beautiful, but you are a freekin' genius! :cheers:

tony hipchest
09-01-2009, 08:19 PM
I cannot wait to read your replies. :sofunny:ben shoulda banged her instead.

(this post is for fun only and in no way implies i believe ben did or did not scrog the mcnut)

robzombie813
09-01-2009, 10:53 PM
I cannot wait to read your replies. :sofunny:

So, let me see if I've got this straight... Fritzy saw McNugget, or whatever her name is, and said "Yeah! Horse-faced, no lips and insane. That's my kinda woman. To hell with that hottie I've got at home, who bore me a child. This.This is what I want"

:doh:

There just aren't words...

RoethlisBURGHer
09-01-2009, 11:14 PM
Damn that chic is HOT!

Now if it were her accusing Ben of sexual assault, I don't think I could blame him!

(Warning: I do not condone sexual assault in any way, we really need a damn sarcasm smiley!)

Galax Steeler
09-02-2009, 06:34 AM
Damn that chic is HOT!

Now if it were her accusing Ben of sexual assault, I don't think I could blame him!

(Warning: I do not condone sexual assault in any way, we really need a damn sarcasm smiley!)

You got that right.:thmbup:

steelax04
09-02-2009, 06:43 AM
...after a two year engagement, otherwise known as my "hmmm... you've changed since you proposed, do I want to do this" phase. Thankfully, he sweetened back up...



Maybe he was looking for an out? :noidea:

alittlejazzbird
09-02-2009, 09:06 AM
Facebook page, with photos of Fritz and the kid...

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=christy+klingler&init=quick#/pages/Reno-NV/Christy-Klingler/62771942370?ref=search&sid=1620650787.4021517648..1

steelax04
09-02-2009, 11:26 AM
Facebook page, with photos of Fritz and the kid...

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=christy+klingler&init=quick#/pages/Reno-NV/Christy-Klingler/62771942370?ref=search&sid=1620650787.4021517648..1

Stalker much? hehe :flap:

alittlejazzbird
09-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Stalker much? hehe :flap:

Not at all...but I work for lawyers all day, and part of my job is digging up information on people quickly and accurately. I was struck by the fact that the names weren't blacked out in the affidavit which was posted on a public website, intrigued to see if I could find out anything about the guy and his wife, and did a little detective work. The internet makes it so easy these days.

Hey, a certifiable nutcase is picking on our beloved QB - I thought we should all be armed with as much information as possible! :wink02:

mesaSteeler
09-08-2009, 11:02 PM
(Admins I posted this separately. If it's part of the Ben being sued thread it will get buried and we will end up with it being reposted multiple times. However if you disagree then go ahead and move it. - mesa)

Roethlisberger accuser offers deal
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_642150.html
By Michael Hasch
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, September 8, 2009

The woman who claims Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her at a Nevada resort has offered to drop her civil lawsuit if he admits that the assault occurred and writes a letter of apology.

The Steelers quarterback also must agree to pay $100,000 to the Committee to Aid Abused Women or some similar entity, according to a letter that the woman's attorney, Calvin Dunlap, wrote to Roethlisberger's lawyers Aug. 31 and submitted to a Nevada court Friday in the latest in a series of court filings in the case.

The woman claims Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her July 11, 2008, at the Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino, where she worked as a VIP concierge and he was attending a celebrity golf tournament. She filed a civil lawsuit in Reno in July of this year.

Roethlisberger, 27, has denied assaulting the 31-year-old woman, who has never gone to police. The Tribune-Review does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

Dunlap wrote in court documents that he was submitting a copy of his letter to Roethlisberger's attorneys to rebut "unfounded and false suggestions that (the woman) has brought this suit for the purpose of 'extorting' a large monetary recovery."

"Plaintiff's only interest has been and is to regain the dignity that was taken from her," wrote Dunlap, who agreed to waive his fees and costs if Roethlisberger agrees to the settlement.

Roethlisberger's attorneys could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.

Michael Hasch can be reached at mhasch@tribweb.com or 412-320-7820.

(Looks like the lying wh*ore McNutty is about ready to fold. - mesa)

TheWarDen86
09-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Yea, I don't see that happening.

MACH1
09-08-2009, 11:12 PM
He should tell her to stick it up her a**. Turn around and sue her for defamation of caricature.

Sharkissle29
09-08-2009, 11:16 PM
I can guarantee you he wont agree to this. this shows weakness, big time...

mesaSteeler
09-08-2009, 11:17 PM
Alleged rape victim demands apology, charitable donation from Ben Roethlisberger
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090908/NEWS/90908042&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
BY MARTHA BELLISLE • mbellisle@rgj.com • September 8, 2009


The Harrah’s Lake Tahoe worker who claimed in a lawsuit that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger raped her has offered to settle the case if he admits raping her, apologizes, and gives $100,000 to the Committee to Aid Abuse Women.
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Andrea McNulty’s lawyer, Cal Dunlap, said the offer was designed to quash claims by Roethlisberger’s lawyers that she was only after his money.

“(McNulty’s) only interest has been and is to regain the dignity that was taken from her,” Dunlap said in a motion asking the letter be added to the court record.

In the letter to the quarterback’s lawyers, Dunlap said they “have a total misconception of what motivates our client,” adding she “is a victim of sexual assault who, as with all such victims, was violated in every sense of the term.”

He accused the Roethlisberger lawyers of “intentionally conceal(ing) evidence of this and other wrongdoing by Mr. Roethlisberger while making unfounded and malicious accusations and unwarranted threats against our client and against this law firm.”

Roethlisberger's lawyer, David Cornwell, said they would not accept her offer.

"This case is about Ms. McNulty's contemporaneous statements and conduct that prove her allegations are false," Cornwell said. "Against, this backdrop her proposal is bizarre. We previously offered Ms. McNulty a graceful exit. Now, we will continue to press our defenses and claims and pursue our application for sanctions."

McNulty filed the suit in July claiming Roethlisberger raped her while he was staying at Harrah’s for a celebrity golf tournament in 2008 . The suit also names a list of Harrah’s officials and employees she contends helped to cover up the alleged assault.

Roethlisberger has denied her claims and has filed a list of documents, affidavits and e-mails that include statements from her coworkers saying she had bragged about having sex with the NFL star and joked about being pregnant.

Last month, his lawyers threatened to file a motion for sanctions against Dunlap, saying he failed to make a “reasonable inquiry” into her claims. They said if he had, he would have “discovered that the evidence does not support (her) reckless allegations.”

Roethlisberger’s lawyers sent an Aug. 19 settlement letter to McNulty that made two proposals. The first demanded that she dismissed the suit and sign a release. The second stated that if she cooperated with Roethlisberger in his claims against Dunlap, they would release her from all claims.

In his letter, Dunlap said she rejected their demands.

RoethlisBURGHer
09-08-2009, 11:18 PM
She's ready to fold and her lawyer knows he has no case.

Now she's trying to get out of paying her lawyer and he's trying to save face by offering this "deal" where in the end, he wins the case.

Not going to happen.

Sharkissle29
09-08-2009, 11:18 PM
^^boo ya, knew they wouldnt accept that bs

robzombie813
09-08-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm getting a feeling that this is a desperate cry for help, like "I'm not crazy I'm not crazy tell 'em Ben you raped me right i didn't make it all up in my head please tell them that you did that so i can go back to my nice quiet life and never do anything like this again"?

Either that, or her lawyer realizes that this pathetic excuse for a lawsuit is falling down around his ears and this was a last gasp attempt to put the spotlight back on Ben and his legal team.

tony hipchest
09-08-2009, 11:20 PM
:screwy:

heres a sinking ship with a hole in it and she doesnt appear to need a bucket (as it wont help).

theres a game in 2 days! :tt02:

PLAY BALL! :football:

:helmet:

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-08-2009, 11:32 PM
can you say "pound salt?"

Steelers & I
09-08-2009, 11:42 PM
:screwy:

heres a sinking ship with a hole in it and she doesnt appear to need a bucket (as it wont help).

theres a game in 2 days! :tt02:

PLAY BALL! :football:

:helmet:


Lmao, I like that, PLAY BALL!

stb_steeler
09-08-2009, 11:57 PM
My advice to her is to start drinking heavily :drink:
Thats the onlyadvice her lawyer is gonna have left

Steelboy84
09-09-2009, 12:02 AM
lol

Her story is falling apart by the minute, just like I posted a while ago.

Edman
09-09-2009, 12:02 AM
So basically, McNutty wants Ben to admit to something he didn't do, and she'll drop the case. Regain her dignity? No legitimate rape victim jokes about having sex. At this point, her dignity is evaporated. Her story has been ripped to pieces and she's making one more desperate plea. As if she wasn't embarrassed enough.

SteelC7
09-09-2009, 12:28 AM
how stupid, ben should sue her for slander, she has no case, its like kobes case, sure ben had sex with her but cocensually, not forcefully, shes nuts, just tryin to make a quick buck

Blitzburgh 34
09-09-2009, 12:37 AM
It'd be nice to see her locked up in the nuthouse, in a straight-jacket, in the padded room for the rest of her life.

jjpro11
09-09-2009, 12:41 AM
that was her last second Hail Mary attempt to just get some points on the board instead of getting shut out. looks like a shut out to me.

MDSteel15
09-09-2009, 01:41 AM
What he needs to do is make her look like a fool and then donate to that cause anyway just to make her even worse! She is making all the battered and assaulted women look bad! :thumbsup:

sharkweek
09-09-2009, 02:19 AM
Wow, that's incredibly weak...

Its like saying, "I'll drop my case where I'm trying to prove you have done wrong if you just admit to the wrong doing on your own, saving me the hassle of having to prove it..."

In other words, she has no chance of winning.

What he needs to do is make her look like a fool and then donate to that cause anyway just to make her even worse! She is making all the battered and assaulted women look bad! :thumbsup:

Maybe thats how you would see it, but I could see others viewing it in that he'd be donating it because he feels guilty even though he wouldn't admit it verbally.

There's nothing that he can do to make himself look good here other than fight it in a proper process. Donating money would be giving in to one of her demands, even if it would be a genuinely charitable thing to do.

steelergirl07
09-09-2009, 02:34 AM
It's women like her that ruin it for the real victims. I'm glad her case is going down in flames. Serves her right.

Galax Steeler
09-09-2009, 03:52 AM
I would say Hell no keep putting the heat on her Ben.

Steelers & I
09-09-2009, 04:09 AM
That woman's crazy, offering a deal. lmao You're getting NOTHING woman!


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l13/bkakers/benacusser.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l13/bkakers/deal_or_no_deal_1.jpg

theplatypus
09-09-2009, 05:27 AM
Turn around and sue her for defamation of caricature

LOL

TackleMeBen
09-09-2009, 05:52 AM
i liked the part where the lawyer said he would wave all his fees if ben agreed to this....wth???? you know your client isnt getting a big payday and you know that you are out of legal fees b/c this whackjob doesnt have the funds to pay you...

its really said that a woman would do this, especially when nothing happen in a criminal manner.

instead of putting her in a nuthouse, just send her to pittsburgh and let steeler nation handle her..lol..

mesaSteeler
09-09-2009, 06:20 AM
(I almost never post Florio but on this rare occasion he actually makes sense. - mesa)

Roethlisberger's accuser will drop suit if he admits guilt
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2009 6:05 AM ET
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/09/roethlisbergers-accuser-will-drop-suit-if-he-admits-guilt/

The woman who claims that she was sexually assaulted by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has faced a flood of evidence tending to show that she has fabricated the allegations for financial gain.

In an admitted effort to combat the appearance that it's all about the money (which, of course, will cause many to believe that it really is all about the money), her lawyer has offered to dismiss the case in exchange for an admission from Roethlisberger that the incident occurred, along with a $100,000 donation to the Committee to Aid Abused Women.

Per the Associated Press, lawyer David Cornwell said that the offer will be rejected.

And, frankly, that's the right decision. The evidence generated to date will make it very difficult for the woman to persuade a jury that non-consensual sex occurred between herself and Roethlisberger, which supports the notion that the case represents a money grab. So why would Roethlisberger admit guilt?

The fact that she'd drop the case in exchange for an apology and a donation to charity reflects, in our view, a desperate attempt to divert attention away from proof indicating that the claims are grossly exaggerated at best, flat-out made up at worst. But given the enormous damage such an admission would do to his image and off-field earning potential, Roethlisberger wouldn't admit to raping the accuser if she were paying him $10 million to do it -- especially since, as it appears based on the evidence generated to date, he is innocent.

As these two sides try the case in the court of public opinion, hollow stunts like this won't persuade anyone that she's telling the truth, based on the proof that has been introduced by the lawyers representing Roethlisberger and the accuser's co-workers at Harrah's. If the accuser and her lawyer hope to make people think that Roethlisberger did it, they need to come up with facts, not offers that they know Roethlisberger will never accept.

Moreover, the fact that the letter is coming to light two days before the Steelers host the Titans in the regular-season opener shows the accuser's only real leverage against Roethlisberger flows from the potential distraction the case can create -- and that she's willing to use it.

But this is a development that should only make Roethlisberger feel better about the case, because if his accuser truly believed she had been raped, she surely wouldn't be willing to walk away in exchange for a piece of paper in which the man who raped her says, "Oops. Sorry."

Texasteel
09-09-2009, 06:43 AM
Either her lawyer is real bad, or her case is ever weaker than we thought.

With this last move the woman might as well have put a notice in the papers.

"Yea, thats right, I've been lying."

fansince'76
09-09-2009, 06:48 AM
Go piss up a rope, lady.