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lamberts-lost-tooth
07-27-2009, 11:03 AM
POLL IS FOR THOSE WHO VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA ONLY!!!!


I know where I work we have several people who voted for the current President. Some of them are now "worried" about their vote while others still back him without pause.

Those who have been in this forum know where I stand...and those on both sides will tell you that I have been fair to the current Commander in Chief...so please take this thread for what it is worth.

I would ask those on both sides of issues/party/affiliations to please be respectful in this thread and honest in their assessments.

PLEASE...NO ATTACKING THE POSTER!!!

revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 11:13 AM
That is a GREAT question. I have my theories, but am going to shut up and sit back and see if people are capable of making an honest critical assessment...

CantStop85
07-27-2009, 12:29 PM
Meh...he hasn't done anything too grand but he hasn't really ****ed anything up either (although I'm sure that will be met by a chorus of "BUT THE BAIL OUT, RECESSION, SOCIALISM"...etc. crowd). I still support most of his plans and if re-elections were held today I would give him my vote again. I guess I'm trying to say that I don't feel like the country is substantially better or worse as a result of Obama being president...but you know, it's still been less than a year. Maybe by the time re-elections roll around this will actually be a noteworthy topic. :noidea:

trauben
07-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Damned proud to say that I'm not one who could answer this poll!!!!!!!!!

My guess though for those who did vote for the show piece? They'll never admit it! Thats most of my family and I can tell you they'd swallow a thousand pounds of shit before they'd say anything bad about him.

revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 03:04 PM
Only problem is, unless you vote, you can't see the results...

Steelerstrength
07-27-2009, 03:39 PM
I'm slammed at work, so I'll keep it brief.

As expected, things have been trying. My belief was/is that things would definitely get worse for some length of time, before we would see improvement. Our issues were complicated and of great importance to expect immediate miracles. Therefore I hold judgement until our president has been afforded an opportunity of great length to rectify issues in this great country.

LLT, thank you for being respectful of those of us who proudly voted for Obama, and calling for respect and common decency on this board! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, some people either cannot comprehend what they read, or become brave on message boards. :thmbdown:

revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 04:47 PM
C'mon guys, try to be respectful. Seriously (I'm not joking at all for a change)...it'd be nice to see some serious defense of the man for once, and this could be a nice forum for it.

HometownGal
07-27-2009, 05:19 PM
revs is right folks. LLT asked that no negative thoughts be posted in this thread and I think we can all be big enough to honor his request. Pretty please with a Lombardi on top? :chuckle:

We already have several NO-bama threads in this forum. Take your shots there, k? Thanks! :hug:

Poll results thus far:

Obama has failed me, I wouldn't vote for him at this point 0 0%

Some reservations, but Obama has my marginal support 3 - 60%

I think Obama is doing a fantastic job. 2 - 40%

Godfather
07-27-2009, 10:18 PM
Hot stock tip:

http://theexpiredmeter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/goo-gone.jpg

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 10:36 PM
actually if youre not logged in or click "view poll results" anyone can see the poll results.

while it is obvious LLT had good intentions with the question, this thread is headed for the crapper quickly (3 posts in, to be exact).



the 2nd option was my vote.

Meh...he hasn't done anything too grand but he hasn't really ****ed anything up either (although I'm sure that will be met by a chorus of "BUT THE BAIL OUT, RECESSION, SOCIALISM"...etc. crowd). I still support most of his plans and if re-elections were held today I would give him my vote again. I guess I'm trying to say that I don't feel like the country is substantially better or worse as a result of Obama being president...but you know, it's still been less than a year. Maybe by the time re-elections roll around this will actually be a noteworthy topic. :noidea:

I'm slammed at work, so I'll keep it brief.

As expected, things have been trying. My belief was/is that things would definitely get worse for some length of time, before we would see improvement. Our issues were complicated and of great importance to expect immediate miracles. Therefore I hold judgement until our president has been afforded an opportunity of great length to rectify issues in this great country.

LLT, thank you for being respectful of those of us who proudly voted for Obama, and calling for respect and common decency on this board! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, some people either cannot comprehend what they read, or become brave on message boards. :thmbdown:

well said, and i agree on ALL accounts.

i would cast my vote the same today, as i did then. my only regret, is the same today as it was then- that it wasnt bill richardson on the ticket.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-28-2009, 08:56 AM
Thanks to all who have responded so far...and thanks to those who got the thread back on track.

What I see in the poll (as of today) seems to be typical of what I am hearing in the office. IMO Some people (by nature) are Dems or Reps at heart, and will always support "the Man" who represents their core beliefs. Others are beginning to have some reservations but feel that the President deserves more time in office before a true grade can be given to him.

To be totally fair , I would have to admit that I would be the same way if McCain had been elected. I may have reservations, but still maintain a hope that "my Man" would get the job done if he is given time.

Those Dems that I talk to here at work are very concerned with increased taxes and the possibility of the government taking on the additional weight of universal healthcare in the face of the recession and job losses. But as we would do...they will give the President the benefit of the doubt until time proves otherwise.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-28-2009, 01:35 PM
click "view poll results"... anyone can see the poll results.



Thanks Tony....I purposely marked the poll so that a person can be anonymous and to promote honesty without fear of being questioned about their stance.

Would LOVE to know who voted for Obama having "failed them"...but such was the point of the thread.:noidea:

I think the fact that so 60% of those that responded have said that they give President Obama "marginal support" or less...is very telling.

We all like to believe that those on the other side of issues are "kool-aid drinkers" or that they are "ill-informed" and would come to our side of the table if given the facts as we see them.

This poll shows me exactly what I am seeing in my own work place. Many Obama supporters legitimate in their beliefs, but not the blind sheep that I might like to believe they are.

They are "me"...on the otherside of the aisle.

interesting.

xfl2001fan
07-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Poll sitting at 1/5/4 (in order).

The Patriot
07-28-2009, 05:49 PM
Obama's doing fine. I support almost everything except the healthcare.

revefsreleets
07-29-2009, 09:43 AM
Obama's doing fine. I support almost everything except the healthcare.

Cap and trade?
Spendulus Bill?
EXPANDING wiretapping?
Continuing Iraq War?

Just to name a few...

Indo
07-29-2009, 10:14 AM
Obama's doing fine. I support almost everything except the healthcare.

Releasing known terrorists?
Sending money to Hamas?

revefsreleets
07-29-2009, 10:33 AM
I know it's not strictly in the spirit of the thread to do so, but I think it's important to point out some of the clear errors this dude is committing in light of the fact that someone just gave broad approval and basically said "You're doing a heckuva job, Obamie".

7SteelGal43
07-29-2009, 10:59 AM
Since it has been explicity requested that we not be disrespectful on this thread, I make this vow. I will show your president the same respect you showed mine. Guess I'll just have to show it on another thread.

The Patriot
07-29-2009, 01:17 PM
Cap and trade?
Spendulus Bill?
EXPANDING wiretapping?
Continuing Iraq War?

Just to name a few...
Nope,
absolutely,
not really,
yes
Releasing known terrorists?
Sending money to Hamas?

Yes, america doesn't jail people without trial. They had been in Gitmo for what, years? If you're not gonna confict them then you can't hold em forever.

Yes.

CantStop85
07-29-2009, 02:49 PM
Since it has been explicity requested that we not be disrespectful on this thread, I make this vow. I will show your president the same respect you showed mine. Guess I'll just have to show it on another thread.

He's also your president as much as Bush was mine. Just because you didn't vote for a guy doesn't mean he's not your Head of State. :coffee:

jjbrasso
07-29-2009, 02:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVUaEyLvqhQ

revefsreleets
07-29-2009, 03:51 PM
I didn't know ANYONE supported the spendulus bill. $787 billion of money we don't have (and WON'T have) for projects we don't need to rescue us from a recession that will be long over before most of the money is even spent.

Indo
07-29-2009, 04:33 PM
Nope,
absolutely,
not really,
yes


Yes, america doesn't jail people without trial. They had been in Gitmo for what, years? If you're not gonna confict them then you can't hold em forever.

Yes.

I am not trying to be disrespectful of the President---in fact, i have NOTHING BUT RESPECT for The OFFICE of the POTUS. And I realize that this may not be the right thread for this, but...and no disrespect towards you...

Please tell me why EVERY expert in terrorist activity on the PLANET is saying that another attack on the United States is IMMINENT

These are not my words, and I really don't have time to find and post all of the links right now...
But...FACT...we are sending money (essentially funding) one of the most notorious terrorist groups (HAMAS) in the world.
FACT--Obama just pardoned and released the CONVICTED (to use your word) terrorists who blew up the USS Cole (hope no one close to you was on that ship) and sent them back to Yemen where (FACT) Al-Queda has just decided that it will run its terrorist training bases.
Oh, and FACT---I can't remember the guy's name, but he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks---he was released

Sleep well

(Sorry for semi-hijacking the thread---but "Bush was a horrible President" is no longer an acceptable answer. He's gone. Poof. The Country is no longer his to f*ck up. WHAT is Obama doing to save the country that some say Bush ruined?).
How much time should we give him to ensure that the US of A still EXISTS as a world power in 10 years, because he certainly isn't doing much to preserve it for our posterity.
A better question---
How do you think the Founding Fathers would grade Obama's performance?

HometownGal
07-29-2009, 04:53 PM
I am not trying to be disrespectful of the President---in fact, i have NOTHING BUT RESPECT for The OFFICE of the POTUS. And I realize that this may not be the right thread for this, but...and no disrespect towards you...

Please tell me why EVERY expert in terrorist activity on the PLANET is saying that another attack on the United States is IMMINENT

These are not my words, and I really don't have time to find and post all of the links right now...
But...FACT...we are sending money (essentially funding) one of the most notorious terrorist groups (HAMAS) in the world.
FACT--Obama just pardoned and released the CONVICTED (to use your word) terrorists who blew up the USS Cole (hope no one close to you was on that ship) and sent them back to Yemen where (FACT) Al-Queda has just decided that it will run its terrorist training bases.
Oh, and FACT---I can't remember the guy's name, but he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks---he was released

Sleep well

(Sorry for semi-hijacking the thread---but "Bush was a horrible President" is no longer an acceptable answer. He's gone. Poof. The Country is no longer his to f*ck up. WHAT is Obama doing to save the country that some say Bush ruined?).
How much time should we give him to ensure that the US of A still EXISTS as a world power in 10 years, because he certainly isn't doing much to preserve it for our posterity.
A better question---
How do you think the Founding Fathers would grade Obama's performance?

Indo - please - let's respect the wishes of the OP here. Please feel free to start a "WTH HAS Obama done in 7 months" thread if you'd like. :thumbsup:

Indo
07-29-2009, 05:04 PM
Indo - please - let's respect the wishes of the OP here. Please feel free to start a "WTH HAS Obama done in 7 months" thread if you'd like. :thumbsup:

Sorry
My frustration is getting the better of me
I will stay out of this thread and I do apologize to LLT

The Patriot
07-30-2009, 12:23 AM
I am not trying to be disrespectful of the President---in fact, i have NOTHING BUT RESPECT for The OFFICE of the POTUS. And I realize that this may not be the right thread for this, but...and no disrespect towards you...

Please tell me why EVERY expert in terrorist activity on the PLANET is saying that another attack on the United States is IMMINENT

These are not my words, and I really don't have time to find and post all of the links right now...
But...FACT...we are sending money (essentially funding) one of the most notorious terrorist groups (HAMAS) in the world.
FACT--Obama just pardoned and released the CONVICTED (to use your word) terrorists who blew up the USS Cole (hope no one close to you was on that ship) and sent them back to Yemen where (FACT) Al-Queda has just decided that it will run its terrorist training bases.
Oh, and FACT---I can't remember the guy's name, but he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks---he was released

Sleep well

(Sorry for semi-hijacking the thread---but "Bush was a horrible President" is no longer an acceptable answer. He's gone. Poof. The Country is no longer his to f*ck up. WHAT is Obama doing to save the country that some say Bush ruined?).
How much time should we give him to ensure that the US of A still EXISTS as a world power in 10 years, because he certainly isn't doing much to preserve it for our posterity.
A better question---
How do you think the Founding Fathers would grade Obama's performance?

The founding fathers were not Gods. The greatest thing about them was their idea that any organization of government will inevitably become obsolete, and so it is practical to have a government which can implement change without having a violent overthrow.

Don't get me wrong, I do not sympathize with terrorists. I believe that to win a war you have to kill the enemy, but once you take them prisoner they become people with names and families. If state prisons refuse to accept them then holding them at Gitmo is like holding a serial murderer at a police station for several years.

I'm tired right now, so I'll leave the other half of your questions for tomorrow. If you want to respond, quote me and put it in one of the Obama threads so we don't disrupt this one.

revefsreleets
07-30-2009, 09:32 AM
"You're doing a heckuva job, Obamie!"

I crack myself up sometimes...

The_WARDen
07-30-2009, 11:36 AM
I heard somewhere that it was unpatriotic to question a sitting president during a time of war.

:popcorn:

cubanstogie
07-30-2009, 11:53 AM
I am not trying to be disrespectful of the President---in fact, i have NOTHING BUT RESPECT for The OFFICE of the POTUS. And I realize that this may not be the right thread for this, but...and no disrespect towards you...

Please tell me why EVERY expert in terrorist activity on the PLANET is saying that another attack on the United States is IMMINENT

These are not my words, and I really don't have time to find and post all of the links right now...
But...FACT...we are sending money (essentially funding) one of the most notorious terrorist groups (HAMAS) in the world.
FACT--Obama just pardoned and released the CONVICTED (to use your word) terrorists who blew up the USS Cole (hope no one close to you was on that ship) and sent them back to Yemen where (FACT) Al-Queda has just decided that it will run its terrorist training bases.
Oh, and FACT---I can't remember the guy's name, but he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks---he was released

Sleep well

(Sorry for semi-hijacking the thread---but "Bush was a horrible President" is no longer an acceptable answer. He's gone. Poof. The Country is no longer his to f*ck up. WHAT is Obama doing to save the country that some say Bush ruined?).
How much time should we give him to ensure that the US of A still EXISTS as a world power in 10 years, because he certainly isn't doing much to preserve it for our posterity.
A better question---
How do you think the Founding Fathers would grade Obama's performance?

You can respect the postion without respecting the man. Although the older I get the less respect I have for any politician. How can anyone respect Slick Willie and the lies, denial and cheating. Obama for his ties to radical American and white haters, not to mention his belief that the fat, lazy, do nothings of this country deserve to have some of the things the hard working people of this country have. This country is not what it used to be anyway. You can hardly call this place America anymore. Atheism seems to be the national religion and the national language is anyones guess. The big cities in this country are filled with misfits IMO, and Obama is their natural leader for obvious reasons. Its hard to love thy neighbor when half don't speak english, and the other half don't pay their mortgage. Obama is worthless, and his handouts send a terrible message, but it really doesn't matter who is president, it will not change the entitlement mentality of this country. I used to think it would have been different with McCain in office but now I don't think anything would be different. Its the people of this country screwing it up, Obama is just making it easier for them.

JEFF4i
07-30-2009, 09:40 PM
Personally, I'm not disappointed in his job so far.

There are some things that disappoint me, like no clear plan for Gitmo. I agree with the ideas behind reform or closing it, but with no plan, I'm glad Congress shot it down. The wiretapping really disappoints me as well. I never totally opposed either Iraq or Afghanistan war, even if I was frustrated at it's handling.

I find it funny that military personnel funding has gone up 8.9% from FY2009, as our current DoD budget is 668 billion, always like seeing more to the troops, at least in theory.

I like the idea for healthcare reform, and have my reservations for what will come of it, but the system is really crappy. My mom's insurance through her school used to be great, now it's 30% she covers wish 40 dollar copays on regular visits, but pays over 400 a month for her and and my dad alone. She has gotten raises each year but makes less due solely to increased insurance costs. The World Health Organization puts us at 37th for total healthcare quality. Regardless, and this is a matter for another thread, but I like the addressing healthcare issues. Again, I have my reservations.

I don't have enough knowledge on cap & trade to have a solid opinion. Don't try and sway me either, :)

Loved pretty much everything of credit card reform.

The sending money to Hamas, as many dub it, I'm curious on. I won't say much at this point, but there is plenty of proof that there are so many victims on both sides and only by undemonizing the Palenstinians and appealing to the Isrealis will anything ever get fixed.

HMmm, I know there's more, but I'm tired. :)

Needless to say, there's some things that bother me, but in general I'd cast my vote the same way.

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 10:25 AM
To address the credit card reform, while it helps some of those hit by the recession who have lost their jobs, it also helps the large segment of the population who simply mismanaged their finances and ran up big debt they were never going to be able to pay off. It's also NEGATIVELY impacting the people who ARE responsible, paid their bills on time, managed their debt, etc, by forcing the credit card companies to recoup their lost revenue by hitting the responsible people with higher interest rates, lowered perks and benefits (i.e. cash back deals and the like).

It's classic egalitarian redistribution of wealth, punishing those who work hard and manage money wisely while rewarding those who don't.

One vote for "You're doin' a heckuva job, Obamie!"

7SteelGal43
07-31-2009, 10:48 AM
He's also your president as much as Bush was mine. Just because you didn't vote for a guy doesn't mean he's not your Head of State. :coffee:

Hey, I didn't vote for him, therefore I don't have to take the blame for him. :coffee:

JEFF4i
08-03-2009, 11:44 AM
To address the credit card reform, while it helps some of those hit by the recession who have lost their jobs, it also helps the large segment of the population who simply mismanaged their finances and ran up big debt they were never going to be able to pay off. It's also NEGATIVELY impacting the people who ARE responsible, paid their bills on time, managed their debt, etc, by forcing the credit card companies to recoup their lost revenue by hitting the responsible people with higher interest rates, lowered perks and benefits (i.e. cash back deals and the like).

It's classic egalitarian redistribution of wealth, punishing those who work hard and manage money wisely while rewarding those who don't.

One vote for "You're doin' a heckuva job, Obamie!"

Really? Care to source that?

Many highlighted points of the credit card reform were to protect those who have paid their bills on time from certain actions. For example, my interest rate was increased, yet I never paid any bill late. In fact, I usually paid early. Anyway...

"•Interest rates can’t be raised during the first year of an account
•Customers will be notified 45 days in advance of any change in interest rates
•Bills can be paid online or over the phone without incurring a processing fee
•Customers must be over 60 days late on payments before their interest rate can be raised on balances; if the rate is raised, it will go back to the lower rate if customers make the minimum payment on time for six months in a row.
•Overlimit fees can’t be charged unless cardholders are told that the purchase will put them over their limit and they authorize it to go through anyway
•If your card has more than one interest rate on balances, then payments must be applied to the highest interest rate first
•Gift cards can’t expire for five years, and issuers can’t charge dormancy fees for unused amounts left on the card
•Credit card statements must be mailed out 21 days before they’re due
•Individuals under 21 will need a co-signer on their cards unless they can prove that they have the means to make payments on their own
•Credit card agreements will have to be posted on the internet


From http://blogs.consumerreports.org/money/2009/05/senate-passes-credit-card-reform-bill-obama-overlimit-fee-processing-fee-gift-cards-cant-expire-cred.html

The one thing I understand is now that credit cards will be harder to get and generally have higher interest rates, they will cost some people more. The fraction of the population that hasn't had a mysterious increase and pays on time constantly, that I will concede.

revefsreleets
08-03-2009, 11:58 AM
Yeah, yeah, I heard all the pomp and circumstance. Do you EVER look at the flip side, or just what the pop media feeds you?


When you say "fraction" are yo inferring that only a few people pay on time? Only a small percentage of people are responsible? That's false. I believe less than 1% of bankruptcies are because of credit card debt. More stats and facts here:

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-industry-facts-personal-debt-statistics-1276.php

# In 2007, credit card balances made up 3.5 percent of the total debt for all U.S. families, including those with and without credit card debt. (Source: Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances, February 2009)
# In 2007, fewer than half of U.S. families (46.1 percent) held credit card debt. That's virtually unchanged from 2004's 46.2 percent number. (Source: Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances, February 2009)
Of the 73.0 percent of families with credit cards in 2007, only 60.3 percent had a balance at the time of the interview; in 2004, 74.9 percent had cards, and 58.0 percent of these families had an outstanding balance on them. (Source: Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances, February 2009)
On average, today's consumers are paying their bills on time, with less than half of all consumers have ever been reported as 30 or more days late on a payment. Only three out of 10 have ever been 60 or more days overdue on any credit obligation. Seventy-seven percent of all consumers have never had a loan or account that was 90+ days overdue, and fewer than 20 percent have ever had a loan or account closed by the lender due to default .

Also, this is from the Washington Post, but I don't really need sources to tell me what common sense dictates- The credit card companies are in business for one thing: to make money. They'll do whatever they have to do, and screw whoever they have to screw in order to do so. If Barry reforms them, they'll just change the rules (in much the same way the payday loan industry did in Ohio after they were regulated).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/05/15/DI2009051501289.html

I've talked to several industry experts who predict that these new regulations are going to transform the way the industry conducts business. Credit card executives have warned that they will lose more money if these rules go into effect. They say that would force them to increase interest rates or withhold credit. Proponents of credit card reform say that is just a scare tactic. But many experts do believe that credit card companies will end up scaling back rewards progams and charging annual fees. Before deregulation of the credit card industry back in the 1980s, card companies charged everyone 18 percent interest and annual fees. We could end up going back to that type of model. Already, we've seen many card companies cancel rewards programs.

SteelersinCA
08-03-2009, 12:47 PM
Many highlighted points of the credit card reform were to protect those who have paid their bills on time from certain actions. For example, my interest rate was increased, yet I never paid any bill late. In fact, I usually paid early. Anyway...


Say what???? Your interest rate going up when you never paid late protects you from what???