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revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 10:23 AM
There are a few things...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_space_shuttle

Earth bears scars of human destruction: astronaut



CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) – A Canadian astronaut aboard the International Space Station said on Sunday it looks like Earth's ice caps have melted a bit since he was last in orbit 12 years ago.

Bob Thirsk, who is two months into a planned six-month stay aboard the station, said he is mostly in awe when he looks out the window, particularly at the sliver of atmosphere wrapped around the planet.

"It's a very thin veil of atmosphere around the Earth that keeps us alive," Thirsk said during an in-flight news conference. "Most of the time when I look out the window I'm in awe. But there are some effects of the human destruction of the Earth as well."

"This is probably just a perception, but I just have the feeling that the glaciers are melting, the snow capping the mountains is less than it was 12 years ago when I saw it last time," Thrisk said. "That saddens me a little bit."

If Thrisk needs a sympathetic ear, he has 12 crewmates with him, at least until Tuesday, when visiting shuttle Endeavour astronauts are scheduled to depart.
The astronauts delivered a Japanese-built experiment platform, installed new batteries for the station's solar power system and stashed spare parts to keep the station operational after shuttles are retired next year after seven more flights.
The $100 billion station, a project of 16 nations, is nearing completion after more than a decade of work.

Endeavour astronauts Chris Cassidy and Tom Marshburn are scheduled for a fifth spacewalk Monday to rewire a station gyroscope, fix insulation on its Canadian-built robot and install television cameras needed to guide a Japanese cargo vessel into its docking port. The HTV cargo hauler is slated for its debut flight in September.

"All in all I think it's an extremely successful mission in spite of a lot of really interesting curveballs that have been thrown our way," Endeavour commander Mark Polansky told reporters.

The latest glitch occurred Saturday when the station's U.S. air-scrubber shut down, prompting NASA to call in extra flight controllers to oversee the device manually. The machine strips deadly carbon dioxide, a by-product of respiration, from the station's air.

"It's not something that we want to do long term, because (of) the number of commands we have to send from the ground. But in the short term, we've got the carbon dioxide removal system back up and running and operating at close to its normal capacity," Smith said.

A backup air-scrubber is due to be launched aboard NASA's next shuttle mission, targeted for launch in August.
Endeavour is due back at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Friday.

steelreserve
07-27-2009, 10:36 AM
Well, it would make sense that the ice cap looks smaller, what with it being the middle of summer and all. I assume he was talking about the northern ice cap, since it's the only one that changes in size very much.

X-Terminator
07-27-2009, 10:42 AM
It's SUMMER, you idiot. Of COURSE the ice cap will melt a bit. We've observed the same phenomenon on Mars. You know, that big, red ball of rock with the carbon dioxide atmosphere? Yeah, that one. Oh BTW, you shouldn't be observing much in the way of ice melt in the southern ice cap, with it being the middle of WINTER there, and all.

Is THIS what we're turning out for astronauts nowadays? Sheesh! :doh:

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-27-2009, 10:43 AM
"This is probably just a perception, but I just have the feeling that the glaciers are melting, the snow capping the mountains is less than it was 12 years ago when I saw it last time," Thrisk said. "That saddens me a little bit."

3 things wrong for starters

1) Not scientific data...but rather a "feeling" or "perception"
2) Said "perception" is based off of a 12 year memory.
3) Yahoo is even printing this story with no scientific data...no facts...and yet it is subtly used as "evidence" of global warming.

KeiselPower99
07-27-2009, 01:30 PM
I wish this nut jobs would just shut up. Im sure its been getting incredibly hot in Canada this year. Damn Global Warming. There hasnt even been a day where its been in the 90's yet this year here in WV. And its damn near August.

Fire Haley
07-27-2009, 01:58 PM
D) All the above..


Duh, if it wasn't for Global Warming, Canada wouldn’t even exist, eh.
It'd still be under 5000 ft of ice.

“I just have the feeling that the glaciers are melting...”

If you believe it, you will see it....he drank the purple kool-aid.

fansince'76
07-27-2009, 02:04 PM
I wish this nut jobs would just shut up. Im sure its been getting incredibly hot in Canada this year. Damn Global Warming. There hasnt even been a day where its been in the 90's yet this year here in WV. And its damn near August.

Yep, it's been a VERY cool summer here in Colorado as well, but it's also an El Niño year. More ammo for the cap-n-tax proponents. Thanks, NASA.

revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Coolest summer in 104 years here in Ohio...

steelreserve
07-27-2009, 02:34 PM
Coolest summer in 104 years here in Ohio...

But ... but ... I bet it's only cooler because of global warming. Literally everything is evidence of global warming, didn't you know?

revefsreleets
07-27-2009, 02:37 PM
Problem is, they THINK it's because of El Nino...but they can't be sure.

So if they can't predict weather patterns from month to month, and they can't trace the causes of things they actually think they know, how in the HELL are they gonna rely on computer models that predict things 100 years out?

MasterOfPuppets
07-27-2009, 02:44 PM
The $100 billion station, a project of 16 nations, what do you wanna bet, that the US taxpayers paid 80 of that 100 billion ....:popcorn:

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 09:11 PM
....no cool pictures from those "idiots" at NASA? :noidea:

1979-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94365main_STILLsea79t.jpg

2003-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94367main_STILLsea_ice03t.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/1023esuice.html

wouldnt an astronaut pretty much have to be a retarded space chimp to not notice the difference? :laughing:

i guess the obvious isnt too obvious to the blind.

TheWarDen86
07-27-2009, 09:43 PM
....no cool pictures from those "idiots" at NASA? :noidea:

1979-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94365main_STILLsea79t.jpg

2003-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94367main_STILLsea_ice03t.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/1023esuice.html

wouldnt an astronaut pretty much have to be a retarded space chimp to not notice the difference? :laughing:

i guess the obvious isnt too obvious to the blind.

Hmm, most of the damage seems to be on Russia's side. It's THEIR fault! :chuckle:

Kidding of course!

I wish I recall where I read it, but in addition to the article I read, I've been learning that Global Warming is not necessarliy the fault of man-kind. It's just the way it is.

Preacher
07-27-2009, 10:07 PM
Well, it seems that the Antartic is either staying the same or growing....



1999/2000
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/spseaice_ssmr_200002-thumb.png (http://global-warming.accuweather.com/spseaice_ssmr_200002.html)
2008/2009
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/spseaice_ssmr_200902-thumb.png (http://global-warming.accuweather.com/spseaice_ssmr_200902.html)


http://www.hernadi-key.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

Seems to me that global warming would affect the global ice pack. Regional warming would only affect regional icepacks.

Let us not forget, everything from the earth turning on its axis (which is variable) to sun spot activity to Mars growing warmer as well, to regional tidal issues affect this. Man made global warming IMO is a myth. Natural global warming and cooling... that's a different story.

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 10:19 PM
I wish I recall where I read it, but in addition to the article I read, I've been learning that Global Warming is not necessarliy the fault of man-kind. It's just the way it is

yep. it is what it is....

"so let it be written, so let it be done"

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 10:33 PM
Well, it seems that the Antartic is either staying the same or growing....

http://www.hernadi-key.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

.

sorry preach... gonna have to stick with NASA on this one. :noidea:

(from your link)-

Fish that triggers hallucinations found off British coast

A species of bream, sarpa salpa, which can trigger hallucinations when eaten, has been been discovered in British waters due to global warming.

Sarpa salpa fish: Fish that triggers hallucinations found off British coast
The Sarpa salpa fish is a potentially hallucinogenic form of Bream normally found in off the coast of Africa Photo: BNPS

The species of bream is normally found in the balmier waters of the Mediterranean and South Africa, was found by fisherman Andy Giles in his nets in the English Channel.


Mr Giles, 38, caught the fish, which is instantly recognised by its gold stripes running along its body, six miles south of Polperro, Cornwall.


"We were trawling for lemon sole and hauled up the net at the end of the day and almost immediately saw this striped fish, we didn't have a clue what it was," he said.


"I had never seen one before and after taking a photograph of it I tried to look it up on the internet and called some friends to see if they knew what it was.


"I put it in the fish box and brought it back for experts to have a look at it.


"Now I realise what it was and the effects it can have, perhaps I should have taken it into town to sell to some clubbers!"

:laughing: ahoy matey.! (selling hallucinogenic fish to clubbers is cool and all, but i dont think that type of scientific research is in NASA's budget)

Preacher
07-27-2009, 10:37 PM
sorry preach... gonna have to stick with the NASA link on this one. :noidea:

(from your link)-



:laughing: ahoy matey.! (selling hallucinogenic fish to clubbers is cool and all, but i dont think that type of scientific research is in NASA's budget)

Sorry tony... Notice I didn't show the article, just the pics?

See the links for the PICS are...

http://global-warming.accuweather.com/spseaice_ssmr_200902.html

Accuweather is quite reliable... is it not? Changes things a bit.

Here is their website http://www.accuweather.com/

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 10:45 PM
only saw one link. :hunch:

the earth spins on its axis with a slight wobble.

a few miles closer to the sun, and a few miles further, and life as we know it wouldnt exist.

im glad the ice caps to the south are either staying the same or not growing. that wont throw nothing out of balance anyway (according to the hallucinogenic Phish analysis) ...

who cares about the snowcaps in peru. its not real. just junk made up by al gore. :rolleyes:

whatever. it is what it is.

Preacher
07-27-2009, 11:00 PM
only saw one link. :hunch:

the earth spins on its axis with a slight wobble.

a few miles closer to the sun, and a few miles further, and life as we know it wouldnt exist.

im glad the ice caps to the south are either staying the same or not growing. that wont throw nothing out of balance anyway (according to the hallucinogenic Phish analysis) ...

who cares about the snowcaps in peru. its not real. just junk made up by al gore. :rolleyes:

whatever. it is what it is.

Actually, they are staying the same, or GROWING.

The issue isn't the actual data sets (well, it is when some of them are cherry picked), the issue is the analysis of the data sets.

Its the same problem I have with evolution... and the same problem I have with UPN's Willie Parker hate stats... the analysis can be skewed and picked to say whatever the person wants it to say.

If you are predisposed to Hegelian theory, observation and stats will lead to evolution.

If you are predisposed to hating Willie, you can find stats to back your hatred.

If you are predisposed to believing in Global warming, you can find stats to back global warming.

The same is true for the opposite of every position.

Preacher
07-27-2009, 11:01 PM
only saw one link. :hunch:

Yeah... That's because I was lazy!! sorry about that

tony hipchest
07-27-2009, 11:11 PM
Actually, they are staying the same, or GROWING.




and the inclusion of the word "not" was a typo. sorry bout that.

either way "staying the same or not growing" is semantics when put into context, even though i think it is pretty obvious what i meant.

regardless of what you or i say, the earth will wobble as it wobbles. :hunch:

weight distribution is for retards. anyone who has balanced tires are idiots. everyone should deflate their automobile tires by 30 PSI in protest! :cheer:

:rolleyes:

X-Terminator
07-27-2009, 11:45 PM
OK look, I don't deny that there is global warming going on. My biggest problem is, and has always been, that it is 100% man-made like some of these people think. There is evidence of global warming/cooling throughout the Earth's 4.5 billion year history, and the last time I checked, man as we know it has only been around for about 300,000 years, and has been engaged in heavy industry for only 150 years or so. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell that man and man alone has been the cause of global warming, and as such we don't need to waste billions of dollars on something that's going to happen whether we were here or not.

tony hipchest
07-28-2009, 12:08 AM
by "these people" do you mean NASA, and people who have actually observed the globe from orbit?

104 years of cooleness in ohio = 104 years of coolness across the globe.

after all... ohio = center of the universe, and all other people are full of shit.

:hunch:

fansince'76
07-28-2009, 12:09 AM
OK look, I don't deny that there is global warming going on. My biggest problem is, and has always been, that it is 100% man-made like some of these people think. There is evidence of global warming/cooling throughout the Earth's 4.5 billion year history, and the last time I checked, man as we know it has only been around for about 300,000 years, and has been engaged in heavy industry for only 150 years or so. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell that man and man alone has been the cause of global warming, and as such we don't need to waste billions of dollars on something that's going to happen whether we were here or not.

But X-T, the science is settled on this. Global warming is 100% caused by and the fault of human beings. Al Gore said so. :coffee:

MACH1
07-28-2009, 12:17 AM
But X-T, the science is settled on this. Global warming is 100% caused by and the fault of human beings. Al Gore said so. :coffee:

It's also mans fault the mammoths and other large mammals are extinct, not climate change or disease. :coffee:

Damn Clovis people anyway.

Preacher
07-28-2009, 12:37 AM
It's also mans fault the mammoths and other large mammals are extinct, not climate change or disease. :coffee:

Damn Clovis people anyway.

Wait... I thought it was cow flatulence...

http://www.jimball.com.au/Global-warming-whose-to-blame.gif

X-Terminator
07-28-2009, 12:53 AM
by "these people" do you mean NASA, and people who have actually observed the globe from orbit?

104 years of cooleness in ohio = 104 years of coolness across the globe.

after all... ohio = center of the universe, and all other people are full of shit.

:hunch:

I'm not talking about NASA. I'm talking about people like Al Gore and others (many of whom DO work for NASA) who have people absolutely convinced that global warming is 100% the fault of man and ignore all of the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Preacher
07-28-2009, 03:54 AM
Bump

SteelMember
07-28-2009, 08:02 AM
....no cool pictures from those "idiots" at NASA? :noidea:

1979-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94365main_STILLsea79t.jpg

2003-
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/94367main_STILLsea_ice03t.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/1023esuice.html

wouldnt an astronaut pretty much have to be a retarded space chimp to not notice the difference? :laughing:

i guess the obvious isnt too obvious to the blind.

But these are simulated photos based on data analysis. You can tell that just by looking at them. The lighting and position are exact. Even if there is 100% truth to these, you can be pretty sure that the astronaut quoted in the article wasn't doing a side by side comparison at the time. No. He was suggesting, based on his memory, that it appeared to be smaller. Maybe like how people remember everything being much bigger when they were a kid. :noidea:

And what's the deal with the scrubber, didn't they learn this lesson with Apollo 13. :wink02: Damn government contracts. What's the movie quote..."strapped to a giant explosive built by the lowest bidder?" :chuckle: something like that anyway.

revefsreleets
07-28-2009, 09:08 AM
Cute personal attack Tony. Don't let little things like real facts and figures get in the way of that:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm

Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking
By Greg Roberts
18 Apr 09 - "Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the
widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap."
See Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking


No Global Warming in Antarctica
15 Sep 07 - "It's hard to see a global-warming signal from the
mainland of Antarctica right now," says head of Polar Meteorology
Group at the Byrd Polar Research Center
See No Global Warming in Antarctica
.

Ice and snow piling up over a large area of Antarctica
- 19 May 2005 - According to a new study published in the online edition of Science, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet gained about 45 billion tons of ice between 1992 and 2003. The ice sheets are several kilometers thick in places, and contain about 90% of the world's ice.

Using data from the European Space Agency's radar satellites ERS-1 and ERS-2, a research team from the University of Missouri, Columbia, measured changes in altitude over about 70% of Antarctica's interior. East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of about 1.8 centimeters per year over the time period studied, the researchers discovered.

The region comprises about 75% of Antarctica 's total land area and about 85% of the total ice volume. The area in question covers more than 2.75 million square miles - roughly the same size as the United States.

And my favorite part of this, the most "inconvenient truth" that the Man-made global warming nimrods NEVER address:

(This means that more than 90 percent of the world's glaciers are growing thicker … while the media keeps yelling about the ones that are melting.)

Bench warmers only get in the game when the starters have already won. Sorry, second stringer, but you are wrong yet again...

fansince'76
07-28-2009, 10:41 AM
Cute personal attack Tony. Don't let little things like real facts and figures get in the way of that:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm

Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking
By Greg Roberts
18 Apr 09 - "Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the
widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap."
See Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking


No Global Warming in Antarctica
15 Sep 07 - "It's hard to see a global-warming signal from the
mainland of Antarctica right now," says head of Polar Meteorology
Group at the Byrd Polar Research Center
See No Global Warming in Antarctica
.

Ice and snow piling up over a large area of Antarctica
- 19 May 2005 - According to a new study published in the online edition of Science, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet gained about 45 billion tons of ice between 1992 and 2003. The ice sheets are several kilometers thick in places, and contain about 90% of the world's ice.

Using data from the European Space Agency's radar satellites ERS-1 and ERS-2, a research team from the University of Missouri, Columbia, measured changes in altitude over about 70% of Antarctica's interior. East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of about 1.8 centimeters per year over the time period studied, the researchers discovered.

The region comprises about 75% of Antarctica 's total land area and about 85% of the total ice volume. The area in question covers more than 2.75 million square miles - roughly the same size as the United States.

And my favorite part of this, the most "inconvenient truth" that the Man-made global warming nimrods NEVER address:

(This means that more than 90 percent of the world's glaciers are growing thicker … while the media keeps yelling about the ones that are melting.)

Bench warmers only get in the game when the starters have already won. Sorry, second stringer, but you are wrong yet again...

Doesn't matter - that's simply a byproduct of climate change which excessive greenhouse gas emissions have wrought. :rolleyes:

revefsreleets
07-28-2009, 10:44 AM
Yes, doublespeak....

"You see, the Earth is actually getting COLDER through Global Warming, man...it's just really complex and an inconvenient truth"

< ManBearPig >

stlrtruck
07-28-2009, 11:01 AM
Well isn't that what they've been screaming all along the way?

That the earth, although getting hotter will get colder because the heat is melting the ice caps, releasing cold air into the atmosphere in turn cooling the earth. And with all that it will be another 20 years and we'll be in the next ice age!!!!

Man, I should be a scientist. I never knew I could make up such "schtuff"

tony hipchest
07-28-2009, 07:43 PM
whaaaa!

how exactly am i wrong? (or are you saying NASA and their link i provided was wrong)?

the only thing your stupid little article proved is that you dont know the difference between antartica and the artic. :laughing:

plus it did nothing but parrot a discussion preacher and i already had.

:doh: get with the program.

revefsreleets
07-29-2009, 08:44 AM
Arctic has less than 10% of the ice.
Antarctic has NINETY percent.

90% growing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10% melting.

It's also interesting when you try to mock me talking about Ohio, because it brings up an interesting point. This is GLOBAL warming, not Arctic warming. You global warming lemmings always ignore anything that doesn't fit with what you've been bamboozled into "knowing", and even when presented with real facts, what do you do? You attack the people who present the facts to you! Fact is, there is some melting going on, but that's ALL you focus on. I was joking about Ohio, but you were serious about Arctic ice being the end-all be-all.

Ridiculous...back on the bench...

tony hipchest
07-29-2009, 11:49 PM
You global warming lemmings always ignore anything that doesn't fit with what you've been bamboozled into "knowing", and even when presented with real facts, what do you do? You attack the people who present the facts to you! Fact is, there is some melting going on, but that's ALL you focus on. I was joking about Ohio, but you were serious about Arctic ice being the end-all be-all.

.

:coffee: ho hum. a bunch of bullshit and lies. i understand though, since you have been exposed and its about all thats left for you to fall back on.

enjoy your "phyrric victory" as you stomp your feet and cry about being attacked. :violin: (seriously... the more you do it, the more credible you seem). :yep:

its time for you to sack up or shut up. show everybody where i have taken a stance towards man causing global warming in the manner in which you pitifully display.

i did nothing but prove that the canadian astronauts perceptions of what he visually observed are reality regardless of the cause. you threw a fit and took exception to it. nothing new there. you seem to have adversity to the facts when presented with them.

listen, my father has put in almost 40 years with the USAF and NASA working with rockets and satellites (currently working at goddard space flight center).

he has flown the compton gamma ray observatory (hell, i watched him on CNN in the control room as him and his team dumped that multi-ton flaming tin can into the pacific) and currently pilots landstat 7.

you think i am gonna be schooled on the subject by a MB savant? :laughing: back to the crib with a blankie for you....

whiner. WHAAAAA! :binky:

what is REALLY wrong with this article (or thread per se) is the keyboard stroke artists who think they are more knowledgeable than a freaking professional astronaut, based on nothing more than their political affiliation.

:jerkit:

revefsreleets
07-30-2009, 08:44 AM
Actually, NASA has A GREAT deal of the relevant data that disproves Global Warming. Michael Crichton did a good job of creating a clearinghouse for that data in his book "State of Fear".

As for the astronaut in question, I was unaware of the fact that the act of being an astronaut suddenly made him a climate control expert. In fact, I thought he did a GREAT job of hedging his statements...it was the hack journalist who steeped his words in pro-MMGW hyperbole that I had a problem with. You just sheepled right along with it and then blew up when you got caught again...

I was trying to explain this to my girlfriends daughters yesterday (who are 11 and 12, by the way), and I found a good and succinct model to do so which seemed to resonate with them. They've been inundated at school with the "fact" that MMGW is some kind of proven theory, but they never get any real empirical data, just indoctrinated with dogma. Anyway, here's how I explained it to them...

Say you want to measure the temperature of the bathroom in your house. The sink is filled with warm water, and the tub is filled with ice water. The thermostat says it's 72 degrees in the bathroom. The water in the sink is 100 degrees, and the water in the tub is 32 degrees. The way I measure the bathroom is by taking temperature readings throughout the WHOLE bathroom, but not too close to the sink or tub or door, where a draft might be coming through. The thermostat says 72. Most of the data is right around 72, and voila! After taking all my readings and averaging them out, turns out the bathroom is 72 degrees.

Now say I'm a "Bathroom Warming" expert, and it's my job (and the source of my grant money) to prove that the bathroom is warming. I'm going to ignore the tub completely, take most of my readings by the sink, and then average that against what I read on the thermostat. I will also take readings by the door to see if the air coming in is warmer or cooler than 72 degrees. If it's warmer, I'll use the data, if it's cooler, I'll throw it out because it "taints the experiment".

They said "That's not fair", and then I explained about the Arctic ice melting versus the Antarctic ice growing. They seemed to get it...too bad grown adults can't, and even sadder that those adults would rather attack people who post facts than actually read what those facts may be.

tony hipchest
07-30-2009, 09:58 PM
.too bad grown adults can't, and even sadder that those adults would rather attack people who post facts than actually read what those facts may be.

there is really nothing wrong with this article. however there is tons wrong with this thread. it is really nothing more than a baited piece of rhetoric, spin, and propoganda designed to illicit an expected response.

i notice how the OP didnt offer up was wrong because they were trying to spin it into something it wasnt.

anyone care to show me where global warming is even mentioned by the writer or canadian astronaut? the meat of the article isnt even about his comments. :hunch:

the astronaut was immediately called a nut job, idiot, and had his perceptions called out even though his observations are true. anyone else here been to space?

one only needs to look at the earliest sattelite images of south america compared to the most recent to see that the earth has been scarred.

the astronaut talked about mountain caps and glaciers yet this thread was deflected into a discussion about antartica. how convenient.... :rolleyes: (not really. its kinda weak).


As for the astronaut in question, I was unaware of the fact that the act of being an astronaut suddenly made him a climate control expert.show me where that is a "fact" or where the astronaut or anyone else even suggested that. :noidea:

you wont/you cant, because its just another hare brained assertion that was simply pulled out of your ass.

You just sheepled right along with it and then blew up when you got caught again...
you caught me exposing you yet again. nothing more... nothing less. im suprised nobody else has 'caught" you in this MB game you like to play where you are the self appointed manager who sends people to the bench... talk about sheeple. :rolleyes:

thats a cute diversionary story about 11 and 12 year olds. maybe one day you will realize you are not speaking to 11 and 12 year olds on this board.

until then, spin away, and enjoy the mb version of pocket pool that is obviously is being "played".

..it was the hack journalist who steeped his words in pro-MMGW hyperbole that I had a problem withyour spin and hyperbole is just as bad (if not worse) than the "hack" you so despise.

the fact that you cannot see yourself in the same light as this writer (who you suggest has an agenda bigger than yours), is "what's wrong with this article".

again, i dont give a damn about your personal feelings on the global warming issue in this particular thread. its not like you havent jammed them down our throats 100 times before. for all you know, i could agree with you 100%, 75%, or 25%.

my "issue" is the same as yours. its the deceptive presentation of the "information".

BTW, i have a 6 year old girl who has a toy top. i had to explain to her that if she sticks a giant hunk of play-doh on the bottom of that top, it will not spin the same or work right. instead of spinning, it falls down. i feel sorry for adults who cannot understand that simple and basic concept.

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 08:05 AM
"The Earth is scarred....the ice caps have melted".

"Global Warming....humans are to blame."

"Global warming blamed for cold snap"

Blah blah blah...I've never seen people make up more nonsense with less empirical data in my life than this hyper-fantastic global warming scare-fest. It's the "George Bush" of the natural world...

Don't like the thread, don't post in it, but stop attacking me for pointing out what is readily obvious to the rest of us. You don't kill the messenger for the message...

fansince'76
07-31-2009, 08:12 AM
Blah blah blah...I've never seen people make up more nonsense with less empirical data in my life than this hyper-fantastic global warming scare-fest. It's the "George Bush" of the natural world....

Guh-guh-guh-guh-global warming? Has a certain ring to it. I like it! :chuckle:

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 08:14 AM
by "these people" do you mean NASA, and people who have actually observed the globe from orbit?

104 years of cooleness in ohio = 104 years of coolness across the globe.

after all... ohio = center of the universe, and all other people are full of shit.

:hunch: i bet the people in seattle would enjoy some of that coolness... i just seen on the weather channel that seattle had the 2nd hottest july in thier history...:noidea:

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 08:58 AM
or the record, I'm in no way stating that there are not areas of the planet that are warming. I'm sure there are...in fact, the average temperature of the planet may be inching up a bit, and I'll even concede that the activities of man may have a tiny impact on that...but I don't KNOW that. Nobody does...and that's my point.

For all the evidence suggesting that MMGW is real, there is an equal or greater amount of evidence available stating that it's not. Using computer models to try and predict what will happen in ten years is sheer lunacy, because we can't even predict with any real degree of accuracy from day-to-day.

I'm also continually frustrated by the extremely myopic view of the proponents of MMGW. I make a sarcastic aside about Ohio, and get mocked for it, but the "evidence" to refute me is an equally limited local analysis of one small section of the globes weather (and that data itself wasn't properly presented...for all I know, the "melted" pictures were taken in August and the "frozen pics in January). The inability of these people to literally "think globally" and to assess ALL the data astounds me...they just continue to focus on ONLY that data which affirms their desired wishes, and no data refuting it...

I just wish we'd use common sense and take a rational view to cleaning up the planet. The enviro-wacko's seem to delight in taking the caveman approach to everything, clobbering business into submission, acting first without thinking and leaving the tiny details (like: Is this really ever real to begin with?) for later...