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HometownGal
07-30-2009, 05:52 PM
OK - since the thread/poll LLT started isn't staying on topic as he requested (sorry LLT), let's discuss Prez Obaaaaaama's accomplishments in his first 6 months and 10 days here in this thread.

Can anyone out there name a few or even one?

stillers4me
07-30-2009, 05:54 PM
He's managed to insult the integrity of both police officers and doctors.

HometownGal
07-30-2009, 06:06 PM
Well - I meant something - anything - that has benefitted the country and we Americans (other than the Bush policies that he abhored and then adopted). :chuckle: But hey - have at it!

tony hipchest
07-30-2009, 06:20 PM
he invented twitter. :coffee:

xfl2001fan
07-30-2009, 07:15 PM
he invented twitter. :coffee:

That was Al Gore. He invented Twitter and then the Internet.

steelreserve
07-30-2009, 07:35 PM
He got foreign countries to stop thinking Americans are imperialist jerks.

Instead, they think Americans are jerks who would probably be imperialists, except that we can't even get our own shit together.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
07-30-2009, 07:49 PM
In 8years what had Bush done....
Obama has done quie well so far, unless you are one that listens to Rush, or Hannity, and the likes of Fox News Intertainment

HometownGal
07-30-2009, 07:57 PM
In 8years what had Bush done....
Obama has done quie well so far, unless you are one that listens to Rush, or Hannity, and the likes of Fox News Intertainment

When are you Demos going to knock it off with the but, but, but Bush bullshit? :rolleyes: The country is now and has been on Obaaaaaaama's watch for over 6 months now. For God's sake - let it go!!

This thread is about Obaaaaama's accomplishments during his time in office thus far. So far, not a one of you can list anything positive that this administration has done.

OK BBFW, I'll bite. What has he done that you view as "quite well"?

devilsdancefloor
07-30-2009, 08:10 PM
only thing i can think of......
the surge in Afghanistan

Texasteel
07-30-2009, 08:48 PM
He has redefined foreign affairs by checking out half the butt in Europe.

stillers4me
07-30-2009, 08:53 PM
How about Cash for Clunkers? You remember.....that new program that uses my tax dollars to pay for your new car?

OOOPS.


AP sources: Govt to suspend 'cash for clunkers'

Jul 30 07:39 PM US/Eastern
By KEN THOMAS
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congressional officials say the government plans to suspend the popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.
The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

The congressional officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns of large backlogs in the system, prompting the suspension.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

MACH1
07-30-2009, 08:55 PM
He bows to others.

tony hipchest
07-30-2009, 09:22 PM
This thread is about Obaaaaama's accomplishments during his time in office thus far. So far, not a one of you can list anything positive that this administration has done.
?

even IF this thread was started with good intentions (i seriously doubt it was) we all know it will turn into nothing more than one of the hundreds of other obama bashing threads, that is floating in the toilet and waiting to get flushed.

16 people voted in LLT's thread and i wouldnt be suprised if half of those were non-obama voters who simply wanted to see the results. i really cant see what is expected in this thread that is any different than all of the others. plus i suspect that none of the participants could name anything of significance that bush II, clinton, or bush I immediately accomplished in their first 6 months w/o some reaching and looking into it.

anyways, here are some of the big ones for me so far-

1) first and foremost, obama has kept us safe from (another) terrorist attack on our own soil. this one happens to be my favorite.

2) redefining our role in afghanistan.
a. more troops
b. better and more advanced supplies and weaponry. (focusing on IED proof vehicles as opposed to stealth raptors that are rendered obsolete in 60 days as far as closing out a war of this nature.) better IED training. helping train and set up the afghans to police themselves.
c. giving the military commanders more autonomy.

3) working to repeal major portions of the commodity futures modernization act.

4) NOT quickly knee jerking to start a needless war with no clearly defined exit strategy in place.

plus he showed the sb champions and the venerable dan rooney some love. mccain woulda just blamed the refs for the arizona desertchicken's loss, and james harrison woulda been called a racist for not going to the white house. :toofunny:

SteelersinCA
07-30-2009, 10:41 PM
1) first and foremost, obama has kept us safe from (another) terrorist attack on our own soil. this one happens to be my favorite.


How do you explain Limp Timber then Mr. Hipchest. One of the greatest tragedies in the history of mankind occurred on Obama's watch. :drink:

tony hipchest
07-30-2009, 11:13 PM
:laughing: you got me. :doh:

"thats all i got to say bout thaaat."

KeiselPower99
07-30-2009, 11:17 PM
How about Cash for Clunkers? You remember.....that new program that uses my tax dollars to pay for your new car?

OOOPS.


AP sources: Govt to suspend 'cash for clunkers'

Jul 30 07:39 PM US/Eastern
By KEN THOMAS
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congressional officials say the government plans to suspend the popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.
The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

The congressional officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns of large backlogs in the system, prompting the suspension.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

Hmm I wonder if the remaining money will go to the 700 million dollar horse bill they wanna pass?

MACH1
07-30-2009, 11:42 PM
Expanded loan programs for small businesses. (but, it is damned near impossible for small businesses to actually get them)

Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman. (Sheriff Joe has been doing a hell of a job, eh? Has anyone even heard of this task force?)

Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts. How's that going?

Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism. (which only told one side of the story, and he has blocked releasing the memo's that support the other side)

Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world. (and apologized for America)

On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue. (and apologized for America)

Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors. (gives yet another group more rights over others)

Investment in all types of alternative energy. (none of which are even within decades of being viable and deployable)

# Established the White House Office of Health Reform (how to hose the nations health care system in 3 easy steps)


What's missing? I notice I forgot to mention that fabulous Porkulus. Oh, and the capture of Osama Bin Laden. Didn't Obama say he would make it a priority to capture him? And, oh, hey, nothing about jobs actually being created, the economy being stimulated, and New Orleans being rebuilt, all as he promised.

tony hipchest
07-30-2009, 11:55 PM
if rome was built in a day, why cant new orleans be?

PisnNapalm
07-30-2009, 11:57 PM
If you're interested in what he's actually done, here ya go...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

7SteelGal43
07-31-2009, 12:06 AM
In 8years what had Bush done....
Obama has done quie well so far, unless you are one that listens to Rush, or Hannity, and the likes of Fox News Intertainment

Let me just flip that coin for ya. Obama hasn't really done much at all, unless you are one that listens to Bill Maher, or CNN, or ABC, or NBC. Heck, maybe you've been listening to Air America.......oh wait.....:flap:

tony hipchest
07-31-2009, 12:18 AM
a penny doesnt equal a quarter and 6 months dont equal 8 years.

i would LOVE to live in the world where it does.

7SteelGal43
07-31-2009, 12:40 AM
a penny doesnt equal a quarter and 6 months dont equal 8 years..

but if you do the math, you can look at a penny and know what 24 more of them add up to.

tony hipchest
07-31-2009, 12:50 AM
1+24=25

:applaudit:

congrats... :cheers:

(theres hope for you guys yet, unless youre one of the sheepublicans who think 1+24 = 6 months)

:hunch:

MACH1
07-31-2009, 12:55 AM
1+24=25

:applaudit:

congrats... :cheers:

(theres hope for you guys yet, unless youre one of the sheepublicans who think 1+24 = 6 months)

:hunch:

To bad it'll only be worth about 8.

MACH1
07-31-2009, 01:49 AM
$80 million to fund porn. :applaudit:

Stimulus Bill Funds Go to Art Houses Showing 'Pervert' Revues, Underground Pornography

The National Endowment for the Arts may be spending some of the money it received from the Recovery and Reinvestment Act to fund nude simulated-sex dances, Saturday night "pervert" revues and the airing of pornographic horror films at art houses in San Francisco.

The NEA was given $80 million of the government's $787 billion economic stimulus bill to spread around to needy artists nationwide, and most of the money is being spent to help preserve jobs in museums, orchestras, theaters and dance troupes that have been hit hard by the recession.

But some of the NEA's grants are spicing up more than the economy. A few of their more risque choices have some taxpayer advocates hot under the collar, including a $50,000 infusion for the Frameline film house, which recently screened Thundercrack, "the world's only underground kinky art porno horror film, complete with four men, three women and a gorilla."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/29/stimulus-funds-art-houses-showing-pervert-revues-underground-pornography/

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 09:37 AM
I see two real positives (amidst probably 100 negatives):

-Against his "better" judgment (since he's a peacnik), he correctly expanded the role of the US in Afghanistan. It was the right time and the right place.
-Believe it or not, I think he responded properly to this flap in Cambridge. Race is still a HUGE issue in this country and he has shown an ability to confront it head on rather than hide like most people and ESPECIALLY politicians do.

The sad fact is, he perhaps could have been an effective president. When he first took office, he had tremendous support, and even the GOP was willing to work with him due to the heavy rhetoric about bi-partisanship. But, just like the left always claims that Bush wrecked our good-will amongst most of the World, I think Barry WAY overextended himself and instead of focusing all his energy on a few things that he could have fixed, or at least made better, he tried to do everything at once. He's alienated a lot of people, done very little to fix the economy (most of his initiatives were either too little or too late), and set us up for long-term unsustainable debt that will somehow have to either be rolled back or paid for via HUGE tax increases down the road.

Instead of fixing the leaking roof which was causing all the rest of the damage to the house and then moving on to all the smaller problems caused by it, he tried to fix all the problems in the house while water was still pouring in.

xfl2001fan
07-31-2009, 09:51 AM
2) redefining our role in afghanistan.
a. more troops
b. better and more advanced supplies and weaponry. (focusing on IED proof vehicles as opposed to stealth raptors that are rendered obsolete in 60 days as far as closing out a war of this nature.) better IED training. helping train and set up the afghans to police themselves.
c. giving the military commanders more autonomy.


2: I agree...Bush dropped the ball on this one...
a: I agree.
b: Those more advanced supplies and weaponry were in effect before he took office. He doesn't deserve the credit. By the time he took office, everything was in place and moving to the troops.
c: Bush was working towards that as well, but the fact that he has continued on with this is Kudos to him.

KeiselPower99
07-31-2009, 11:12 AM
he invented twitter. :coffee:

I hate twitter!!! It is the dumbest damn thing ever!!!!

SCSTILLER
07-31-2009, 01:14 PM
2: I agree...Bush dropped the ball on this one...
a: I agree.
b: Those more advanced supplies and weaponry were in effect before he took office. He doesn't deserve the credit. By the time he took office, everything was in place and moving to the troops.
c: Bush was working towards that as well, but the fact that he has continued on with this is Kudos to him.

Beat me to it. Down here in Charleston is a company called Force Protection that has been making the advanced weaponry and armored vehicles for a few years now (MRAPS, Cougars, and some secret squirrel stuff). So, Obama cannot get the credit for that one like xfl said!

Indo
07-31-2009, 01:29 PM
Instead of fixing the leaking roof which was causing all the rest of the damage to the house and then moving on to all the smaller problems caused by it, he tried to fix all the problems in the house while water was still pouring in.

Excellent Analogy

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 01:29 PM
2: I agree...Bush dropped the ball on this one...
a: I agree.
b: Those more advanced supplies and weaponry were in effect before he took office. He doesn't deserve the credit. By the time he took office, everything was in place and moving to the troops.
c: Bush was working towards that as well, but the fact that he has continued on with this is Kudos to him.
bu...bu..bu...bush .... so its alright to mention and give credit to bush even though he's NOT in office , but its NOT ok to point out the mess he left us in without someone reminding us he's not in office anymore ... maybe obama isn't going about fixing things the right way, that remains to be seen, but nobody wants to talk about WHY things need fixed to begin with...it also amazes me how quick someone is to point out in the football threads if you question the coaching or the front office that your NOT in the nfl, and those who are knows better than you, but yet how many professional politicians do we have here ? :popcorn:

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 01:38 PM
He HAS taken a 400 billion dollar deficit that was 8 years in the making and almost tripled it in 6 months.

(That's still my favorite...we heard over and over and over and over again how wicked and evil Bush was for 400 bil over 2880 days but not a peep about Obama's projected 2 trillion in a mere 360 days)

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 02:02 PM
He HAS taken a 400 billion dollar deficit that was 8 years in the making and almost tripled it in 6 months.

(That's still my favorite...we heard over and over and over and over again how wicked and evil Bush was for 400 bil over 2880 days but not a peep about Obama's projected 2 trillion in a mere 360 days) not a peep ? i've seen on here dozens of times....:laughing: ... i guess if bush wouldn't have spent almost a trillion on a piss poor planned war , he woulda left us 5 or 6 hundred bill in the green, and obammie wouldn't have had to take such drastic measures...maybe even some of companies wouldn't have went belly up if they didn't have to fork out 4 bucks for a gollon of gas.... *disclaimer* i'm not a politician and i've never stayed at a holiday inn express ...:wink02:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
07-31-2009, 02:21 PM
When are you Demos going to knock it off with the but, but, but Bush bullshit? :rolleyes: The country is now and has been on Obaaaaaaama's watch for over 6 months now. For God's sake - let it go!!

This thread is about Obaaaaama's accomplishments during his time in office thus far. So far, not a one of you can list anything positive that this administration has done.

OK BBFW, I'll bite. What has he done that you view as "quite well"?

Taking positive steps to end the needless war in Iraq, all of our troups are out of Bagdadh,
Focusing more attention on the war that should have been our main goal in the first place in Afghanistan,
Bailout....like it or not,, had to be done,

Taking steops to get healthcare,,,

St33lersguy
07-31-2009, 03:40 PM
Taxed americans,violated all freedoms possible, and blame George Bush for all of the problems he and his band of crooked idiots has created

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 03:54 PM
I mean not a peep of criticism from those same people that ripped Bush apart...

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 04:15 PM
I mean not a peep of criticism from those same people that ripped Bush apart... of course not... just like there wasn't a peep when GW was funding the terrorist state of palistine.from the obama haters..everybody is too busy towing thier party line to realize it doesn't matter who wins that we the people lose.... its a shame that people can't collectively get thier heads out of thier asses and say we've had enough of this dem vs repub shit. like the border and immigration issue ... we the people strongly voiced our opinions on it and wanted something done about it...what was done ? NOTHING !!! unless you wanna count wasting money on freaking 700 mile fence. the pathetic thing is people let them sweep it under the carpet instead of DEMANDING something a little more substatial be done.who won that controversie ? MEXICANS - 1.. americans - 0 !!! the notion that the government works for us is just laughable...

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 04:23 PM
Well, to be fair, I've criticized Bush many times...I do NOT toe the party line.

My problem is with the ground-level hypocrisy and inability of people to level a critical eye at their own party...in that we probably aren't too far off philosophically speaking....

The Patriot
07-31-2009, 04:41 PM
A middle eastern country had a crisis and we have not invaded it. I give props to that. :applaudit:

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 04:45 PM
Well, to be fair, I've criticized Bush many times...I do NOT toe the party line.

My problem is with the ground-level hypocrisy and inability of people to level a critical eye at their own party...in that we probably aren't too far off philosophically speaking.... well i don't tow a party line either, i pretty much hate dems and repubs evenly. i've got conservative views on some issues and liberals views on other. the notion that people can and will change thier opinions just to fit into a party is just sickening to me. i fully expect the worst from EVERY elected official on any level until they prove they have the citizens and america's best interest in mind... has there ever been such a politician ? i can't think of one that hasn't gave us the shaft in one way or another.

MACH1
07-31-2009, 04:54 PM
A middle eastern country had a crisis and we have not invaded it. I give props to that. :applaudit:

I'm sure obaama apologized to them though. :doh:

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Obama gave Iran a deadline...it will be VERY interesting to see what he does when they inevitably ignore it.

That's the problem with his kind of diplomacy...the strong words up front must be backed up with something at some point, and who knows what that "something" will be? ACORN attacks? He'll community organize their asses? Maybe have his buddy Gates tell them he'll speak with their mama's outside?

I expect little, and will probably still be disappointed....

NJarhead
07-31-2009, 05:01 PM
A middle eastern country had a crisis and we have not invaded it. I give props to that. :applaudit:

:tap: .... Exactly how many Middle Eastern countries have we invaded simply for having problems (aside from attacking the United States, taking American hostages or invading their neightbors)???

I'm sure obaama apologized to them though. :doh:

No doubt.

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Obama gave Iran a deadline...it will be VERY interesting to see what he does when they inevitably ignore it.

That's the problem with his kind of diplomacy...the strong words up front must be backed up with something at some point, and who knows what that "something" will be? ACORN attacks? He'll community organize their asses? Maybe have his buddy Gates tell them he'll speak with their mama's outside?

I expect little, and will probably still be disappointed....
so then it'll be right in line with the stern warnings north korea has been receiving for a decade ... maybe he'll offer them couple hundred million , if they promise to settle down...:noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 05:04 PM
:tap: .... Exactly how many Middle Eastern countries have we invaded simply for having problems (aside from attacking the United States, taking American hostages or invading their neightbors)???



No doubt.
you forgot imaginary WMD's :doh:

NJarhead
07-31-2009, 05:07 PM
you forgot imaginary WMD's :doh:

So the correct answer is: ONE. And the only mistake Bush made in my opinion is not just saying that we're going to take out a vicious dictator. I have NO problem with Saddam not being around anymore.

I didn't forget. "One" is exactly the answer I was looking for. .... :doh:

revefsreleets
07-31-2009, 05:09 PM
N. Korea DID settle down...for quite a while, too.

As for imaginary WMD's, I'm not going back there other than to say that they did exist at one point and NO ONE really knew where they went other than Saddam. Give that guy credit though for propagating the myth...it accomplished it's goal of keeping all his adjacent enemies from invading....

Well, all but one...

NJarhead
07-31-2009, 05:13 PM
N. Korea DID settle down...for quite a while, too.

As for imaginary WMD's, I'm not going back there other than to say that they did exist at one point and NO ONE really knew where they went other than Saddam. Give that guy credit though for propagating the myth...it accomplished it's goal of keeping all his adjacent enemies from invading....

Well, all but one...

If I'm not mistaken, we were not alone in wanting to go after Saddam Hussein either.

X-Terminator
07-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Taking positive steps to end the needless war in Iraq, all of our troups are out of Bagdadh,
Focusing more attention on the war that should have been our main goal in the first place in Afghanistan,
Bailout....like it or not,, had to be done,

Taking steops to get healthcare,,,

1. But in the same breath, he said that the U.S. will still have a military presence in the country. So not all of the troops will be leaving Iraq like he promised.
2. I will give him credit for turning more focus to Afghanistan.
3. No, I don't like the bailout, and no, it didn't have to be done. Democrats whine and bitch about "corporate welfare" all the time...except when it's their guy throwing the money around. (Yes, I know Bush did the first one - I was against it then, and I'm against it now)
4. I wish he'd take steps to get healthcare without a complete government takeover. Most Americans DO NOT WANT his healthcare plan implemented, and that's regardless of political affiliations. He should instead build a public-private system to providing health insurance to every American that still allows people to keep and pay for their private health insurance without penalty, while offering the public option to those who are unable to afford it. Why should I have to pay the government 2.5% of my salary because I don't want their government plan? Ridiculous!

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 05:25 PM
N. Korea DID settle down...for quite a while, too.

As for imaginary WMD's, I'm not going back there other than to say that they did exist at one point and NO ONE really knew where they went other than Saddam. Give that guy credit though for propagating the myth...it accomplished it's goal of keeping all his adjacent enemies from invading....

Well, all but one... sadaam did admit to having them at one time....

WASHINGTON - Saddam Hussein feared Iran's arsenal more than a U.S. attack, and even considered asking ex-President George W. Bush "to protect" Iraq from its neighbor, once secret FBI files show.

The FBI interrogations of the toppled tyrant - codename "Desert Spider" - were declassified after a Freedom of Information Act request.

The records show Saddam happily boasted of duping the world about stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. And he consistently denied cooperating with Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda.

Of all his enemies, Iraq's ex-president - who insisted he still held office during captivity - hated Iran most.

Asked how he would have faced "fanatic" Iranian ayatollahs if Iraq had been proven toothless by UN weapons inspectors in 2003, Saddam said he would have cut a deal with Bush.

"Hussein replied Iraq would have been extremely vulnerable to attack from Iran and would have sought a security agreement with the U.S. to protect it from threats in the region," according to a 2004 FBI report among the declassified files.

Without Bush's help, "Iraq would have done what was necessary," he told FBI Agent George Piro in his Baghdad International Airport cell.

That didn't mean an alliance of evil with Al Qaeda, he insisted months into what he called a "dialogue" with Piro.

The interrogations unfolded in 2004 after his capture the previous December at the same farm where he said he'd hidden after orchestrating a failed 1959 coup plot.

Saddam denied ever laying eyes on the "zealot" Bin Laden, bent on striking the U.S.

He said he "did not have the same belief of vision" as the terror kingpin.

Saddam never sought Al Qaeda assistance because he feared the terror group would turn on him. To protect his country, the more likely ally "would have been North Korea."

Saddam also said the U.S. "used the 9/11 attack as a justification to attack Iraq" and "lost sight of the cause of 9/11."

The U.S. "was not Iraq's enemy," just its policies, Saddam explained.

Asked about WMDs, Saddam insisted: "We destroyed them. We told you."

"By God, if I had such weapons, I would have used them in the fight against the U.S," he added.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/24/2009-06-24_former_iraqi_leader_saddam_hussein_feared_iran_ more_than_us_secret_fbi_files_sho.html#ixzz0Mz2k83 J1


i believe him...if he had access to them, he would have used them... what did he have to lose ?

MasterOfPuppets
07-31-2009, 05:33 PM
1. But in the same breath, he said that the U.S. will still have a military presence in the country. So not all of the troops will be leaving Iraq like he promised.
2. I will give him credit for turning more focus to Afghanistan.
3. No, I don't like the bailout, and no, it didn't have to be done. Democrats whine and bitch about "corporate welfare" all the time...except when it's their guy throwing the money around. (Yes, I know Bush did the first one - I was against it then, and I'm against it now)
4. I wish he'd take steps to get healthcare without a complete government takeover. Most Americans DO NOT WANT his healthcare plan implemented, and that's regardless of political affiliations. He should instead build a public-private system to providing health insurance to every American that still allows people to keep and pay for their private health insurance without penalty, while offering the public option to those who are unable to afford it. Why should I have to pay the government 2.5% of my salary because I don't want their government plan? Ridiculous!
i agree with all that , but don't go trying to make sence on the health thing... thats just not how poloticians think..if they're not screwing somebody in one way or another, then its just not a sound proposal to them. :laughing: ... but again i have to ask... why do you guys act so suprised about a politician that lied ? ...

HometownGal
08-01-2009, 02:05 PM
Taking positive steps to end the needless war in Iraq, all of our troups are out of Bagdadh,
Focusing more attention on the war that should have been our main goal in the first place in Afghanistan,
Bailout....like it or not,, had to be done,

Taking steops to get healthcare,,,

Sorry, BBFW - I like ya buddy, but you really HAVE to do better than this. :rofl::laughing::rofl:

Thus far, only Tony has given a legitimate answer to my question, though I don't agree with everything he posted, I do give him props for giving it a try. :drink:

C'mon Libs - answer the question posed in my OP. Don't fall back into the age-old Demo deflect and spin.

CantStop85
08-01-2009, 04:07 PM
If you're interested in what he's actually done, here ya go...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

What he said.

/End of thread.

HometownGal
08-01-2009, 09:26 PM
/End of thread.

I think not. I wasn't at all impressed.

revefsreleets
08-02-2009, 11:38 AM
According to that site, he's kept 34 promises out of 515. Great...whoopee...he's also flip-flopped on 7 issues, lied on 7 issues, compromised on 11 issues, stalled on 12, and is "working" on 77 which means any of the above could still happen. He's taken no action on a whopping 374 issues.

I think it's safe to say that he's not done much....why? The website itself...it states "Of Obama's 515 promises, most are still rated no action".

Preacher
08-02-2009, 11:55 AM
Here is another question, to take off from what HTG asked...

Many of us were telling libs to be more honest with Bush. There was no way that "everything" he did was bad and that they were just basically hating on him.

So now the tables are turned and there is a liberal in office... Is there anything positive Conservatives can say about him?

For me, I too am happy that he stuck to his promise to put more troops in Afghanistan.

I am also happy that he has seemed to move to the right in some areas concerning national security. I thought for sure we would be attacked again within a couple years if he did everything he said he was going to. But it seems he saw that himself... Good for him.

MACH1
08-02-2009, 11:56 AM
According to that site, he's kept 34 promises out of 515. Great...whoopee...he's also flip-flopped on 7 issues, lied on 7 issues, compromised on 11 issues, stalled on 12, and is "working" on 77 which means any of the above could still happen. He's taken no action on a whopping 374 issues.

I think it's safe to say that he's not done much....why? The website itself...it states "Of Obama's 515 promises, most are still rated no action".

The equivalent of voting present.

revefsreleets
08-02-2009, 11:57 AM
I wrote this back in post #26 Preach...

I see two real positives (amidst probably 100 negatives):

-Against his "better" judgment (since he's a peacnik), he correctly expanded the role of the US in Afghanistan. It was the right time and the right place.
-Believe it or not, I think he responded properly to this flap in Cambridge. Race is still a HUGE issue in this country and he has shown an ability to confront it head on rather than hide like most people and ESPECIALLY politicians do.

The sad fact is, he perhaps could have been an effective president. When he first took office, he had tremendous support, and even the GOP was willing to work with him due to the heavy rhetoric about bi-partisanship. But, just like the left always claims that Bush wrecked our good-will amongst most of the World, I think Barry WAY overextended himself and instead of focusing all his energy on a few things that he could have fixed, or at least made better, he tried to do everything at once. He's alienated a lot of people, done very little to fix the economy (most of his initiatives were either too little or too late), and set us up for long-term unsustainable debt that will somehow have to either be rolled back or paid for via HUGE tax increases down the road.

Instead of fixing the leaking roof which was causing all the rest of the damage to the house and then moving on to all the smaller problems caused by it, he tried to fix all the problems in the house while water was still pouring in.

HometownGal
08-02-2009, 01:23 PM
Here is another question, to take off from what HTG asked...

Many of us were telling libs to be more honest with Bush. There was no way that "everything" he did was bad and that they were just basically hating on him.



Hey - go get your own thread! :chuckle: The purpose of this thread wasn't to start a shit flinging war - it was to simply ask a question of the Lib members here and thus far, only one gentleman has legitimately answered my question.

I don't "hate" Obama - I strongly felt before the election and even more so now that he is the WRONG person to lead our country.

So now the tables are turned and there is a liberal in office... Is there anything positive Conservatives can say about him?



Yes. Thanks to the Senator from Chappaquidick, he let his girls keep a really cute puppy. :applaudit: :chuckle:

The only other positive I've been able to draw from Obaaaaama's presidency thus far is the presence of more troops in Ofghon-is-tohn.

I am also happy that he has seemed to move to the right in some areas concerning national security. I thought for sure we would be attacked again within a couple years if he did everything he said he was going to. But it seems he saw that himself... Good for him.

With our President apologizing all over the world for America's actions of the past decade and kissing up to the Muslims, I still believe we are going to be attacked again within then next 2 years - sorry.

Venom
08-03-2009, 08:50 AM
Heres a list of what Obama has done so far !

1. Offended the Queen of England.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt.
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man made disasters".
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America's greatness.
16. Told the Mexican President that the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States.
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water up their nose.
20. Air Force One over New York City.
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
22. Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
23. Announced that for intents and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.

revefsreleets
08-03-2009, 09:38 AM
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Obamie"

It's still applicable...still a bunch of dupes still being duped...

MasterOfPuppets
08-03-2009, 02:50 PM
well lets see....we haven't had a terrorist attack yet... so i guess you can say he's kept the country safe... :thumbsup:

7SteelGal43
08-03-2009, 02:56 PM
well lets see....we haven't had a terrorist attack yet... so i guess you can say he's kept the country safe... :thumbsup:

Well it would be rude of the terrorists to attack the United States while Obama is ironing out plans to have "talks" with their leaders, don't you think ? :thumbsup:

revefsreleets
08-03-2009, 03:00 PM
There WON'T be any terrorist attacks, either. MOST terrorist attacks are made using homegrown terrorist, and we just don't have that many disgruntled people in this country. Before there is any "Bu-bu-Bush" rhetoric tossed my way on this, I've ALWAYS maintained that we are safe because of the "homegrown factor", and nothing Bush or the TSA has done. I still maintain that 90% of our security measures are a waste of cash and just done to placate people and make them FEEL safe.

MasterOfPuppets
08-03-2009, 03:19 PM
Well it would be rude of the terrorists to attack the United States while Obama is ironing out plans to have "talks" with their leaders, don't you think ? :thumbsup:
yeah ummm considering 8 years, a trillion dollars , and over 4000 dead soldiers has worked so well ....

7SteelGal43
08-03-2009, 04:50 PM
yeah ummm considering 8 years, a trillion dollars , and over 4000 dead soldiers has worked so well ....


Ok...I'll bite. Exactly how has it failed ? And what could Obama possibly say to the Taliban or Al Qaeda to keep terrorist attacks from happening in the future against America ? Oh wait...maybe they've gotten some audio of the Obama "America Apologizes Tour 2009"

revefsreleets
08-03-2009, 04:55 PM
yeah ummm considering 8 years, a trillion dollars , and over 4000 dead soldiers has worked so well ....

We've spent a trillion on War?

That means Bush WOULD have run a surplus minus the War.

You guys are all barking up the wrong tree. There aren't enough radicalized muslims in the US to set up coordinated terrorist attacks. May never be...9/11 was a one-off.

BUT, if they did, 4,000 dead will pale in comparison...the next attack will be much more extreme and effective. We've wasted a ton of cash trying to prevent what already happened and not spent any money trying to prevent what is coming.

MasterOfPuppets
08-03-2009, 10:19 PM
We've spent a trillion on War?

That means Bush WOULD have run a surplus minus the War.

.
we're creeping up on it

http://costofwar.com/

MasterOfPuppets
08-03-2009, 10:33 PM
Ok...I'll bite. Exactly how has it failed ? And what could Obama possibly say to the Taliban or Al Qaeda to keep terrorist attacks from happening in the future against America ? Oh wait...maybe they've gotten some audio of the Obama "America Apologizes Tour 2009"
and what has it accomplished? last i heard people were STILL being blown up over there. obama doesn't need to talk to the terrorist. he needs to get the countries that ALLOW them to operate in thier countries to cooperate. syria, pakistan, and iran inparticular. if pakistan gave us permission to cross thier border, they could put the hurtins to the taliban. ... as long as they have a safe place to hide from the US ... this shit will go on forever. its the same reason we couldn't win in vietnam ... they would attack and simply run over to cambodia where we couldn't pursue them.

7SteelGal43
08-03-2009, 11:35 PM
Heres a list of what Obama has done so far !

1. Offended the Queen of England.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt.
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man made disasters".
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America's greatness.
16. Told the Mexican President that the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States.
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water up their nose.
20. Air Force One over New York City.
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
22. Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
23. Announced that for intents and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.

Of all these, #21probably pisses me off the most.

7SteelGal43
08-03-2009, 11:46 PM
and what has it accomplished? last i heard people were STILL being blown up over there. obama doesn't need to talk to the terrorist. he needs to get the countries that ALLOW them to operate in thier countries to cooperate. syria, pakistan, and iran inparticular. if pakistan gave us permission to cross thier border, they could put the hurtins to the taliban. ... as long as they have a safe place to hide from the US ... this shit will go on forever. its the same reason we couldn't win in vietnam ... they would attack and simply run over to cambodia where we couldn't pursue them.

According to EVERYONE, the surge worked. The whole situation is a work in progress over there, but it by no means has failed. And you're right. Obama doesn''t have to talk to the taliban., He just needs to send 'em a text message. "We r comin 4 OBL. Dont F w/us"

MasterOfPuppets
08-04-2009, 12:03 AM
According to EVERYONE, the surge worked. The whole situation is a work in progress over there, but it by no means has failed. And you're right. Obama doesn''t have to talk to the taliban., He just needs to send 'em a text message. "We r comin 4 OBL. Dont F w/us"

hmmmm...lets see whats in todays headlines....

Rockets slam into Afghan capital
yep...gettin better...

Nine NATO troops have been killed in fighting or bombings this month, including three Americans on Sunday and three on Saturday, along with two Canadians and one French.

July was the deadliest month for international troops since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion to oust the Taliban's hard-line Islamist government for sheltering al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32264759/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

The Taliban’s Threats
pakistan is the reason the taliban will never be eliminated , unless they allow the US to operate inside thier borders..

In the attack, followers of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud—armed with guns and grenades—held off Pakistani security forces during eight hours of fighting. Initial reports said eight police and eight attackers were killed, though some reports predicted the final death toll would be considerably higher. In the days after the attack, Mehsud himself—or someone claiming to be him—claimed credit for the police-academy attack and also told The Associated Press and Pakistani media that his group was planning an attack on the White House in Washington. American officials don't take that threat seriously; they say that Mehsud and his group don't have the reach to launch attacks in the United States.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192061?from=rss

tony hipchest
08-04-2009, 12:21 AM
:laughing:

this board needs more republisheep telling us about text. :busted:

maybe not.

MACH1
08-04-2009, 12:55 AM
http://dancleary.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5540ff48a8834010535cba336970c-800wi

tony hipchest
08-04-2009, 01:01 AM
^^^^ funny pic but...

already posted-

www.repsstuttering.com

MACH1
08-04-2009, 01:13 AM
^^^^ funny pic but...

already posted-

www.repsstuttering.com

Are you sure?

I thought it was www.thesheepwhisperer.com

:flap:

tony hipchest
08-04-2009, 01:16 AM
lol.

who can be sure these days.

too many pics ... too little time.

7SteelGal43
08-04-2009, 11:09 AM
The surge in Iraq worked...which is what I was referring to in the first place.

The_WARDen
08-04-2009, 11:18 AM
well, he's taken less vacation time than Buuuuuush did in his 1st 6 months...but that's unfair really...since mentally, Buuuuush was always on vacation.

revefsreleets
08-04-2009, 11:24 AM
well, he's taken less vacation time than Buuuuuush did in his 1st 6 months...but that's unfair really...since mentally, Buuuuush was always on vacation.

But he's also spent more time abroad than any president ever in such a short time.

He DOES realize that there are some really serious problems in his OWN country, doesn't he?

7SteelGal43
08-04-2009, 11:33 AM
MOP....

The surge in Iraq worked...which is what I was referring to in the first place. You do realize that when the article says "deadliest month since the 2001 invasion began" they are talking about Afghanstan, right ? I had to read past the portion you made bold, but clever use of wording to perhaps give the impression we're failing.

I kinda like Robin Williams Idea. "Since the world doesn't like American soldiers all over the globe, let's bring them all home and line the border. Change the engraving on the Statue of Liberty from 'give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' to 'you wanna piece of me?"

7SteelGal43
08-04-2009, 11:45 AM
:laughing:

this board needs more republisheep telling us about text. :busted:

maybe not.

Gee tony, MOPs post didn't do anything to help your cause, bro. It's just another example of how someone reads an articles title, or takes half the sentence and suddenly are "well informed". :jerkit:

MasterOfPuppets
08-04-2009, 02:07 PM
MOP....

The surge in Iraq worked...which is what I was referring to in the first place. You do realize that when the article says "deadliest month since the 2001 invasion began" they are talking about Afghanstan, right ? I had to read past the portion you made bold, but clever use of wording to perhaps give the impression we're failing.

I kinda like Robin Williams Idea. "Since the world doesn't like American soldiers all over the globe, let's bring them all home and line the border. Change the engraving on the Statue of Liberty from 'give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' to 'you wanna piece of me?"
yes i'm well aware the article was specific to afghanistan. since that is the focus of the "surge" now, and you never mentioned iraq specificly . are you more well informed than this guy ?( the general )
,
Wait…the surge in Iraq didn’t work?

In Iraq on Wednesday, another bombing threatened security and raised new fears of violence between Sunnis and Shiites once American troops withdraw. Worldfocus editorial consultant Peter Eisner, the former deputy foreign editor of the Washington Post, discusses how the 2007 surge of American troops has fared.

Anyone bereft of a basic filing system, or who perhaps doesn’t take time to face reality in the form of Google searches, might just want to focus on the words of General David Petraeus exactly one year ago before the Senate Armed Service Committee.

Back then, Democrats found difficulty in criticizing the surge. Meanwhile, Senator John McCain was proud to declare that he was at the forefront of the idea to send 20,000 U.S. troops to Iraq.

Despite the resident wisdom during the presidential campaign that promoted the success of then-President George W. Bush’s vaunted surge, Petraeus was closer to the ground, saying “We haven’t turned any corners. We haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel“ and warning that “Countless sectarian fault lines still exist in Baghdad and elsewhere.”

A year later, there seems to be surprise in the air every time a particularly bloody bomb attack is staged in Baghdad or other Iraqi environs. Petraeus wasn’t running for office and he was quick to mention that any U.S. successes in Iraq might be “fragile and reversible.”

The surge was a quick fix to be sure, and there are all sorts of statistics to show a decrease in violence. But in the long term, the battle lines are still drawn. Rival Sunni and Shiite factions keep their powder dry, but are still geared up for the coming battle whenever U.S. troops pull back. That’s mixed in with the baggage encased in a dilemma, one of many inherited by President Obama.

My friend and former colleague at the Washington Post, Thomas E. Ricks, describes the dilemma in his book, The Gamble, focusing on Petraeus and the surge. Commenting separately on the book, he has written that one basic problem is to understand what is meant by saying the surge “worked.”

“Yes, it did, in that it improved security. But it was meant to do more than that. It was supposed to create a breathing space in which Iraqi political leaders could move forward. In fact, as General Odierno [General Raymond T. Odierno, Petraeus’ successor as U.S. commander in Iraq] says in the book, some used the elbow room to move backward. The bottom line is that none of the basic problems facing Iraq have been addressed–the relationship between Shia, Sunni and Kurds, or who leads the Shias, or the status of the disputed city of Kirkuk, or the sharing of oil revenue.”
http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/04/09/wait%E2%80%A6the-surge-in-iraq-didn%E2%80%99t-work/4878/

revefsreleets
08-05-2009, 04:58 PM
Wait, isn't Iraq "Bush's Failed War"? The same War that Obama voted against from the start, and then came out over and over and over again against?

Negative Nellyism gets old...and I can't think of anyone who seems to have a better finger on the pulse of Iraq than Trudy Rubin:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20090726_Worldview__Maliki_highlights_hope_for_fut ure_of_Iraqi_education.html

Worldview: Maliki highlights hope for future of Iraqi education

By Trudy Rubin

Inquirer Opinion Columnist
Given the 130,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq, it's striking how little attention the media paid to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's visit to Washington last week.

Maybe Americans, or journalists, are weary of Iraq, especially now that a U.S.-Iraqi accord has set an exit date for American troops - by the end of 2011. So Maliki only got media notice when he said Iraq might reconsider the deadline "if Iraqi forces require further training and support."

But the focus on whether some U.S. trainers and enablers may stay on misses a key aspect of the visit. Ask me the most important accomplishment of Maliki's trip, and I'd pick an event that passed almost unnoticed: the Iraq Education Initiative, announced by Maliki on Saturday. The program will send up to 10,000 students per year over the next five years to the United States and other English-speaking countries, on full Iraqi scholarships.

What that initiative signals is that Iraqi-U.S. relationships are shifting, as they must, to another dimension. Now that Iraqi violence is way down, what matters is the kind of country that will emerge out of decades of pain and turmoil - and what long-term relationship develops between our two countries. These are the results that will determine whether Iraqi and American sacrifices have been worthwhile.

While Americans are aware of the December accord that governs our troop exit, you may not know we signed a Strategic Framework Agreement simultaneously that was meant to deepen U.S.-Iraqi economic, political, cultural, and educational ties. The Iraq Education Initiative gives the first insight into how the U.S.-Iraqi relationship can broaden under the SFA.

"A healthy relationship between Iraq and the United States should not be based on American soldiers working as policemen on Iraqi streets," said Maliki political adviser Sadiq al-Rikabi in an interview. "We're working hard to build a normal state and normalize our relationship with the United States." The SFA, he says, is essential to that goal.

Yes, skepticism is justified. Iraq is still going through spasms of violence, has a dysfunctional political system, and experiences continuing sectarian tensions. However, despite efforts by radical remnants to reignite civil war, most Iraqi political groups appear committed to resolving their differences in the political arena. Attention is focused on 2010 elections.

And, yes, Maliki, who is playing to nationalist sentiment at home, has often infuriated U.S. military and civilian officials. Example: when he trumpeted the June 30 withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraqi cities as a "victory" for Iraq over American "occupiers." The U.S. envoy to Iraq, Chris Hill, told USAToday last week that Maliki's comments were sometimes "hard to take."

Yet, on this visit, the prime minister struck a different tone, in remarks at the U.S. Institute for Peace, that will surely receive wide circulation in Iraq. "We want and seek a strong and solid relationship which is open with the Americans," he said, "and there are no internal politics of Iraq that prohibit us from having such a . . . relationship with a great country like the United States."

Which brings me back to the education initiative. I spoke with Zuhair Humadi, the executive director of the Higher Committee for Educational Development in Iraq, which will administer the program. He explained that it will serve two purposes: "Our objective is to reform the Iraqi educational system, and sending young people abroad will enhance their capabilities within Iraq."

The program will also give young Iraqis, who have long been isolated, "an opportunity to see what is going on in the world," adds Humadi, a well-known expert on international education. "It exposes them to democratic institutions and values."

The initiative will begin in 2009-10 with a pilot program of 500 students chosen by scholastic achievement all over Iraq. Female students will be welcome. (Iraq has a tradition of women's education.) If, as Humadi insists, politics and sect can be kept out of the selection, that alone would represent a milestone in Iraqi progress.

A new consortium of American universities will streamline admissions for qualified Iraqis; a new English Language Institute in Baghdad will bolster the language skills of successful candidates. They will be expected to return to Iraq once they finish their studies.

Humadi sees this initiative as a precursor for Iraq's developing "a new model" of democratic government in the Arab world. That may be jumping too far ahead in predictions.

But Maliki's Iraq Education Initiative could become a model for the kind of U.S.-Iraqi ties that can help Iraq become a normal and prospering country. Such a vision may seem far off at this moment. Yet the most important gains from Maliki's visit will be those that make this vision more likely down the road.

7SteelGal43
08-06-2009, 10:02 PM
yes i'm well aware the article was specific to afghanistan. since that is the focus of the "surge" now, and you never mentioned iraq specificly . are you more well informed than this guy ?( the general )
,


http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/04/09/wait%E2%80%A6the-surge-in-iraq-didn%E2%80%99t-work/4878/


My bad...the surge in Afghanastan is quite another story. That's Obama's baby. :toofunny:

Before you accuse me of being a partisan hack, yeah, I loved Dubya overall, but I'ma tell ya like I been tellin ya....I'd like to have seen a l'il more emphasis on Afghanistan and OBL when the whole thing started. DAMMIT DUBYA !!