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revefsreleets
08-04-2009, 09:11 AM
This guys see the white devil everywhere, always has, always will...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/opinion/01herbert.html

No more than five or six minutes elapsed from the time the police were alerted to the possibility of a break-in at a home in a quiet residential neighborhood and the awful clamping of handcuffs on the wrists of the distinguished Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.


If Professor Gates ranted and raved at the cop who entered his home uninvited with a badge, a gun and an attitude, he didn’t rant and rave for long. The 911 call came in at about 12:45 on the afternoon of July 16 and, as The Times has reported, Mr. Gates was arrested, cuffed and about to be led off to jail by 12:51.
The charge: angry while black.


The president of the United States has suggested that we use this flare-up as a “teachable moment,” but so far exactly the wrong lessons are being drawn from it — especially for black people. The message that has gone out to the public is that powerful African-American leaders like Mr. Gates and President Obama will be very publicly slapped down for speaking up and speaking out about police misbehavior, and that the proper response if you think you are being unfairly targeted by the police because of your race is to chill.
I have nothing but contempt for that message.




Mr. Gates is a friend, and I was selected some months ago to receive an award from an institute that he runs at Harvard. I made no attempt to speak to him while researching this column.


The very first lesson that should be drawn from the encounter between Mr. Gates and the arresting officer, Sgt. James Crowley, is that Professor Gates did absolutely nothing wrong. He did not swear at the officer or threaten him. He was never a danger to anyone. At worst, if you believe the police report, he yelled at Sergeant Crowley. He demanded to know if he was being treated the way he was being treated because he was black.


You can yell at a cop in America. This is not Iran. And if some people don’t like what you’re saying, too bad. You can even be wrong in what you are saying. There is no law against that. It is not an offense for which you are supposed to be arrested.


That’s a lesson that should have emerged clearly from this contretemps.
It was the police officer, Sergeant Crowley, who did something wrong in this instance. He arrested a man who had already demonstrated to the officer’s satisfaction that he was in his own home and had been minding his own business, bothering no one. Sergeant Crowley arrested Professor Gates and had him paraded off to jail for no good reason, and that brings us to the most important lesson to be drawn from this case. Black people are constantly being stopped, searched, harassed, publicly humiliated, assaulted, arrested and sometimes killed by police officers in this country for no good reason.
New York City cops make upwards of a half-million stops of private citizens each year, questioning and frequently frisking these men, women and children. The overwhelming majority of those stopped are black or Latino, and the overwhelming majority are innocent of any wrongdoing. A true “teachable moment” would focus a spotlight on such outrages and the urgent need to stop them.


But this country is not interested in that.
I wrote a number of columns about the arrests of more than 30 black and Hispanic youngsters — male and female — who were doing nothing more than walking peacefully down a quiet street in Brooklyn in broad daylight in the spring of 2007. The kids had to hire lawyers and fight the case for nearly two frustrating years before the charges were dropped and a settlement for their outlandish arrests worked out.


Black people need to roar out their anger at such treatment, lift up their voices and demand change. Anyone counseling a less militant approach is counseling self-defeat. As of mid-2008, there were 4,777 black men imprisoned in America for every 100,000 black men in the population. By comparison, there were only 727 white male inmates per 100,000 white men.

While whites use illegal drugs at substantially higher percentages than blacks (Source, PLEASE, Mr Herbert!), black men are sent to prison on drug charges at 13 times the rate of white men.


Most whites do not want to hear about racial problems, and President Obama would rather walk through fire than spend his time dealing with them. We’re never going to have a serious national conversation about race. So that leaves it up to ordinary black Americans to rant and to rave, to demonstrate and to lobby, to march and confront and to sue and generally do whatever is necessary to stop a continuing and deeply racist criminal justice outrage.

J Dogg
08-06-2009, 09:14 AM
You can't yell at a cop in Arizona. It's called officer discrection.

This guy is another racist cop hating POS like most liberals.

SteelMember
08-06-2009, 11:40 AM
While whites use illegal drugs at substantially higher percentages than blacks (Source, PLEASE, Mr Herbert!), black men are sent to prison on drug charges at 13 times the rate of white men.

Maybe the key word here is "use", which would be as bad as me saying black men SELL substantially higher percentages than whites.

revefsreleets
08-06-2009, 02:54 PM
I don't buy the whole premise. I would LOVE to see some kind of documentation that shows white people use drugs at a higher proportion than blacks.

This whole op/ed piece sucks...everyone ELSE is saying that it was a little of both, but this guy says it's 100% whiteys fault?

Please...

SteelMember
08-07-2009, 08:49 AM
I agree. It's not right. That's why I brought the point to yours.

You were saying that the stats show that there is a higher number of incarcerated black men for drugs, so I was just making the "unsubstantiated correlation" that they must be there for dealing, since selling/trafficking, and intent to distribute are bigger offences than just "using" or possession.

As you said, he didn't bring that into the conversation, because it didn't fit his agenda.

It makes as much sense as saying something like...
Methamphetamine is for whites, and crack cocaine is for blacks.

There is no point to it, except to push buttons. :noidea:

J Dogg
08-07-2009, 08:52 AM
Mandatory sentencing guidelines are racist. They were racist when they were written and they're racist now. But that doesn't help his point at all.

The whole thing reads like an angry/drunk message board rant at 3 AM.

revefsreleets
08-07-2009, 08:53 AM
What I want to see is some hard number, like:
52% of whites use drugs, while only 32% of blacks use drugs.

It's not going to happen though because it's a ridiculous assertion.

J Dogg
08-07-2009, 08:56 AM
What I want to see is some hard number, like:
52% of whites use drugs, while only 32% of blacks use drugs.

It's not going to happen though because it's a ridiculous assertion.

Maybe not ridiculous, but totally impossible to measure with anything approaching accuracy. Any number that you can put out there would be rightfully mocked as almost impossible to measure.

revefsreleets
08-07-2009, 08:59 AM
Mandatory sentencing guidelines are racist. They were racist when they were written and they're racist now. But that doesn't help his point at all.

The whole thing reads like an angry/drunk message board rant at 3 AM.

I agree with it in principle: If you distribute 5 grams of crack you get a minimum of 5 years...but it takes 100 TIMES that amount of powder to ring up the same penalty.

Crack IS a black drug, comparatively, as meth IS a white drug. There are facts that prove that...

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about drug usage rates by race.

J Dogg
08-07-2009, 09:06 AM
I agree with it in principle: If you distribute 5 grams of crack you get a minimum of 5 years...but it takes 100 TIMES that amount of powder to ring up the same penalty.

Crack IS a black drug, comparatively, as meth IS a white drug. There are facts that prove that...

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about drug usage rates by race.

Which are impossible to measure with any degree of accuracy. Most reasonable people would agree with that. It doesn't change the fact that there are major flaws in the justice system that incercerate black men for crimes that white men probabtion for.

SteelMember
08-07-2009, 09:17 AM
I agree with it in principle: If you distribute 5 grams of crack you get a minimum of 5 years...but it takes 100 TIMES that amount of powder to ring up the same penalty.

Crack IS a black drug, comparatively, as meth IS a white drug. There are facts that prove that...

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about drug usage rates by race.

I may go as far as to say that crack is/was the "street" drug of the 80's and 90's, and meth is the new crack, but if what your saying is true, then someone should tell those other folks... those are not their drugs, 'cause they'll use whatever they can get. :flap:

HometownGal
08-07-2009, 09:23 AM
The whole thing reads like an angry/drunk message board rant at 3 AM.

LOL! :laughing: God knows, I've read plenty of those right here on this board. :chuckle:

Herberts' attempts at trying to stir up a riot are self-serving and lame. He needs to put that crack pipe down. Oooooo - was that a racist statement? :rolleyes:

Steeldude
08-07-2009, 06:11 PM
I wrote a number of columns about the arrests of more than 30 black and Hispanic youngsters — male and female — who were doing nothing more than walking peacefully down a quiet street in Brooklyn in broad daylight in the spring of 2007

lmao...yeah right.