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Stlrs4Life
08-08-2009, 10:44 AM
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I know I should be mortified by the lobbyist-organized mobs of angry Brooks Brothers mannequins who are now making headlines by shutting down congressional town hall meetings. I know I should be despondent during this, the Khaki Pants Offensive in the Great American Health Care and Tax War. And yet, I'm euphorically repeating one word over and over again with a big grin on my face.

Finally.

Finally, there's no pretense. Finally, the Me-First, Forget-Everyone-Else Crowd's ugliest traits are there for all to behold.



The group's core gripe is summarized in a letter I received that denounces a proposed surtax on the wealthy and corporations to pay for universal health care:

“Until recently, my family was in the top 3 percent of wage earners,” the affluent businessperson fumed in response to my July column on taxes. “We are in the group that pays close to 60 percent of this nation's taxes ... Think for a second how you would feel if you built a business and contributed more than your share to this country only to be treated like a pariah.”

This sob story about the persecuted rich fuels today's “Tea Parties” and I'm sure you've heard some version of it in your community.

I'm also fairly certain that when many of you run into the Me-First, Forget-Everyone-Else Crowd, you don't feel like confronting the faux outrage. But on the off chance you do muster the masochistic impulse to engage, here's a guide to navigating the conversation:

What They Will Scream: We can't raise business taxes, because American businesses already pay excessively high taxes!

What You Should Say: Here's the smallest violin in the world playing for the businesses. The Government Accountability Office reports that most U.S. corporations pay zero federal income tax. Additionally, as even the Bush Treasury Department admitted, America's effective corporate tax rate is the third lowest in the industrialized world.

What They Will Scream: But the rich still “pay close to 60 percent of this nation's taxes!”

What You Should Say: Such statistics refer only to the federal income tax. When considering all of “this nation's taxes” including payroll, state and local levies, the top 5 percent pay just 38.5 percent of the taxes.

What They Will Scream: But 38.5 percent is disproportionately high! See? You've proved that the rich “contribute more than their share” of taxes!

What You Should Say: Actually, they are paying almost exactly “their share.” According to the data, the wealthiest 5 percent of America pays 38.5 percent of the total taxes precisely because they make just about that share a whopping 36.5 percent! of total national income. Asking these folks to pay slightly more in taxes and still less than they did during the go-go 1990s is hardly extreme.

Stripped of facts, your conversation partner will soon turn to unscientific terrain, claiming it is immoral to “steal” and “redistribute” income via taxes. Of course, he will be specifically railing on “stealing” for stuff like health care, which he insists gets “redistributed” only to the undeserving and the “lazy” (a classic codeword for “minorities"). But he will also say it's OK that government sent trillions of dollars to Wall Streeters.

And that's when you should stop wasting your breath.

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08-08-2009, 10:56 AM
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One glance at the birthers and the town hall screamers tells you all you need to know. You don’t even need to see it, you can hear it in their strangled cries. The Republican party is a junkie, addicted to hate.
“The base is on fire!” the Republican spokeszombies shout, spittle flaking their bloodless lips. ‘We’re back!” they spew, “bigger and better than ever!”
Hate is a rush, hate is a drug. When all your plans and dreams have gone to hell, when everything you stand for has been repudiated, when the people have abandoned you and it feels like God himself has forsaken you, hate will give you a reason to live.
The problem with hate is that, like any drug, you develop a tolerance to it. Last year a Republican mob could get into ecstasies of joy by chanting the lie “Obama is a Muslim!” That worked for a while, but then they had to up the dose. “Obama is a socialist!” was good for a nice hate buzz, but it got old in a hurry. Now mere lies don’t cut it anymore. Now it takes blood libel to feed the monkey.
“Obama is an illegal alien! Obama hates white people! Obama wants to slit granny’s throat! We hate him, Hate him, HATE HIM!”
This isn’t party politics, this is delirium tremens, and what comes next is rigor mortis.
Liberals, moderates and even rational conservatives--those few who haven’t gone on the junk--hear this stuff and are terrified.
I can’t blame them. It is scary. When you can’t have a town hall meeting without a shrieking, 140 decibel, bussed-in, paid-for mob doing everything in its malevolent power to scare the bejesus out of everyone and make democratic debate impossible, it’s easy to cut and run. The fight-or-flight reflex kicks in and even the strong are tested.
Many fail. The Blue Dogs hear the furor and turn Yellow. “Let’s take August off and hope it all goes away. These issues are just too contentious.”
But “the issues” have nothing to do with it. Do we really think those mobs give a crap about the intricacies of health care reform? Has fear made us that stupid?
The birthers, the “just say no” crowd, the “Cash for Clunkers is a failure because it worked” idiots don’t really care about any of those things. All they want to do is hurt Obama because they hate Obama.
They hate Obama because he beat them. That inescapable fact is what’s driving the right insane.
All they care about is driving down Obama’s poll numbers. But why? Seriously, my Republican brethren, are you really so delusional that you think you can beat him in 2012? Obama is going to eat Mitt Romney and crap Bobby Jindal in three years. What’s the point? Don’t you have a country to help run, or would you rather run it into the ground?


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The Patriot
08-08-2009, 11:09 AM
A stretch.

The real problem is that the country lacks leadership right now both from the democrats and republicans. The Dems don't know what to think of Obama's programs so they're backing off while the GOP is content to sit back and let all these angry people make a fuss (which I find irresponsible). Angry mobs aren't going to sway Obama, he's doing what democrats do, republicans should be stepping up, especially in the Senate, instead of picking their noses and telling people how bad everything is.

Obama's probably the best thing to happen to traditional conservatives. They've turned from flag-waving jingoism to questioning the very role of the federal government in the span of a year.

Stlrs4Life
08-08-2009, 11:23 AM
A stretch.

The real problem is that the country lacks leadership right now both from the democrats and republicans. The Dems don't know what to think of Obama's programs so they're backing off while the GOP is content to sit back and let all these angry people make a fuss (which I find irresponsible). Angry mobs aren't going to sway Obama, he's doing what democrats do, republicans should be stepping up, especially in the Senate, instead of picking their noses and telling people how bad everything is.

Obama's probably the best thing to happen to traditional conservatives. They've turned from flag-waving jingoism to questioning the very role of the federal government in the span of a year.

Can see your point. Same was true about Dumbya was good to happen for the Dems also.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-08-2009, 11:25 AM
The "manufactured hate" angle is pathetic and losing steam as more and more dems are stepping forward, pissed off that their party is arrogantly calling them republican plants.

Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who've experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage.

As more people are educating themselves about this "reform", they are beginning to see the problems with government controlled medicaid and medicare and getting more concerned about the "fine print" in what a government controlled healtcare system would limit.

Most Americans are dissatisfied with the costs of the system overall, and apprehensive about their future expenses, but satisfied with their own current costs.

Based on those numbers, why is the left in denial about those who were clearly in Obama's corner in November showing their displeasure in regards to this topic???

This type of arrogance and flat out dismissal of their own constituants, is going to blow up in their faces.

As one registered DEMOCRAT said...."Why are you trying to push healthcare down our throats in three weeks, when the president took six months to pick out a dog for his kids?"

To ignore those type of legitimate concerns smells of knee-jerk party politics and arrogance.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-08-2009, 11:30 AM
The real problem is that the country lacks leadership right now both from the democrats and republicans. .

"nuff said.

BOTH parties need to stand up and take control away from politicians who have become American Royalty.....arogance...ignorant...and insolent.

devilsdancefloor
08-08-2009, 11:35 AM
"nuff said.

BOTH parties need to stand up and take control away from politicians who have become American Royalty.....arogance...ignorant...and insolent.

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Vincent
08-08-2009, 11:58 AM
As opposed to, what, dem homoerotic asphyxiation? :sissies:

democrats (liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, whatever - they're all the same team) trade in crises, imagined or outright manufactured. There is always something that "threatens all mankind" that can only be averted by sweeping "change" that amounts to little more than (if anything) larger "government", and more poeple beholden to democrats.

Enough history has passed our eyes that you would think people would have caught on by now. But sadly, public and "higher" "education" has keep many blind to reality. But there are still some free men and women that recognize this manipulation of the ignorant, and attempt to shed light on the wrong. But because of the stranglehold the dems have in gubmint, the "media", and "education", their "message" drowns all reason. Those that object are shouted down as "crazies".

It's interesting though that, as happens with all their crises, the light of day reveals them to be the shams that they are. Science sheepishly rose up and exposed "global warming" to be the idiocy it is. Undaunted, the left have repackaged the crisis as "climate change". Of course the climate changes, you ninnies. :flap::rofl: But that doesn't give you stalinists carte blanche to enslave society with your insipid "remedies".

It seems, that upon examination, America isn't about to be undone by the "healthcare crisis". In fact it has become known that 80+% of Americans are just tickled pink with their healthcare and don't want the crisis manufacturers to @#$% with it. Some of these irrational trolls have even dared to express their disagreement with the "administration's" plans to destroy the best healthcare system on the planet. Undaunted, the left again repackages the "crisis" into a more appropriately named "health insurance" "crisis". 3% of the population. Crisis indeed.

This is why balance in gubmint, media, and "education" is imperative. Otherwise our fate is left to commie rat bastards. :m16:

X-Terminator
08-08-2009, 12:07 PM
Unbelievable.

So once again, we have another person who believes that people who oppose Obama's spending and health care plans should just shut up, because they're nothing more than a bunch of "me-first-forget-everyone-elsers" spewing false outrage.

Please.

We do not have to shut our mouths because YOU think we should, Mr. Blogger. So would you kindly take to kissing my ass and minding your own business?

Funny how you guys love protesters when it's for a cause that YOU support, but if it's the opposition, then it's the absolute worst thing in the world.

revefsreleets
08-08-2009, 12:12 PM
I don't hate Obama...I just don't like many of his policies and I REALLY hate being lied to...

Anyway, why are they even paying attention to the right? The Democrats have a majority in both the house and Senate and can pretty much so as they like. In fact, why haven't they healed all the woes of the Country yet, like ending the War as they promised to if elected back in '06?

revefsreleets
08-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Yes, Free Speech is dead...Heil Obama!

This is absolute garbage, the worst most vile kind of ignorant propaganda...

I'm not sure what the purpose of this article is other than for this guy to scream really long and loud how much he REALLY hates Republicans...because they pay their taxes!

7SteelGal43
08-08-2009, 12:19 PM
Activists weigh how to push message while abandoning adversarial tacks
By: Lori Aratani
Washington Post
January 16, 2009 WASHINGTON — Code Pink, Arrest Bush, the Coalition for Peace and other liberal activist groups plan to hoist banners and wave signs on Inauguration Day. It might look a lot like a protest rally. But don't call it that.

"It's not a protest; it's a celebratory event," said Jose Rodriguez, a longtime activist who is coordinating an Arrest Bush demonstration in front of the FBI building Tuesday.

After almost a decade of being on the opposite side of presidential decisions on the Iraq war, Supreme Court appointments and a host of other issues, progressive activists have a new problem: how to make demands without appearing adversarial.

"We don't want to be seen as protesting against (Barack Obama) so much as pushing him to fulfill his promises," said Medea Benjamin, founder of Code Pink. "It's totally, totally different."

"In years past, we organized and organized and didn't see any direct result because we were up against an administration that wasn't listening," Rodriguez said. "Now, we know there's an opportunity for change to happen."


Throw in ACORN and you have a whole litany of fine upstanding respectable groups of citizens banded together for a cause who wouldn't dream of being disruptive to the political process by showing their a**es in actual political hearings. Remind me again what town hall meetings are ? Oh yes, a place where citizens are encouraged to show up, meet their congressmen, and have their voice heard.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Since this is virtually the same thread as the Republican Autoerotic Asphyxiation thread...I guess I'll answer the same way



The "manufactured hate" angle is pathetic and losing steam as more and more dems are stepping forward, pissed off that their party is arrogantly calling them republican plants.

Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who've experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage.

As more people are educating themselves about this "reform", they are beginning to see the problems with government controlled medicaid and medicare and getting more concerned about the "fine print" in what a government controlled healtcare system would limit.

Most Americans are dissatisfied with the costs of the system overall, and apprehensive about their future expenses, but satisfied with their own current costs.

Based on those numbers, why is the left in denial about those who were clearly in Obama's corner in November showing their displeasure in regards to this topic???

This type of arrogance and flat out dismissal of their own constituants, is going to blow up in their faces.

As one registered DEMOCRAT said...."Why are you trying to push healthcare down our throats in three weeks, when the president took six months to pick out a dog for his kids?"

To ignore those type of legitimate concerns smells of knee-jerk party politics and arrogance

:coffee:

7SteelGal43
08-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Yep...ya really gotta watch out for those out of control middle class, middle aged white folks. They'll reach in the mini-van, pull out a soccer ball and launch it at ya.

X-Terminator
08-08-2009, 12:34 PM
Well said, LLT. But really, I'm just freaking FED UP with this notion that people who are questioning Obama's plan should just shut up and accept it. It's freaking bullshyt.

Vincent
08-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Well said, LLT. But really, I'm just freaking FED UP with this notion that people who are questioning Obama's plan should just shut up and accept it. It's freaking bullshyt.

"'Peace' is the absence of opposition to socialism". marx

HometownGal
08-08-2009, 01:16 PM
Since this is virtually the same thread as the Republican Autoerotic Asphyxiation thread...I guess I'll answer the same way





:coffee:

It's more of the SOS, different thread hate on Republicans garbage. :rolleyes: I'm going to merge the 2 threads.

J Dogg
08-08-2009, 01:20 PM
I'm a Democrat. I have been since the very first day I could claim a political party. I believe in fair play, equal opportunity, the right to Unionize, the right of gays to marry, and many other Democratic principles.

I also believe in the right to bear arms, disagree with abortion on demand, and plant my flag on fiscal responsibility. Right now, my party thinks me a traitor because I'm not willing to come out and support health care reform because I feel like it's been shoved down my throat much like cap and trade. My party has told me that there's no room for Democrats like me anymore because fiscal responsibility takes back seat to the President's agenda.

I have always detested the far left wing of my party. Guys like Tony, The Patriot, and SteelTalons. They're the ones who serve as loyal foot soldiers of the agenda of the time. I fully support the Blue Dogs and their insistence that we have the best possible plan for reform as we move forward.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-08-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm a Democrat. I have been since the very first day I could claim a political party. I believe in fair play, equal opportunity, the right to Unionize, the right of gays to marry, and many other Democratic principles.

I also believe in the right to bear arms, disagree with abortion on demand, and plant my flag on fiscal responsibility. Right now, my party thinks me a traitor because I'm not willing to come out and support health care reform because I feel like it's been shoved down my throat much like cap and trade. My party has told me that there's no room for Democrats like me anymore because fiscal responsibility takes back seat to the President's agenda.

I have always detested the far left wing of my party. Guys like Tony, The Patriot, and SteelTalons. They're the ones who serve as loyal foot soldiers of the agenda of the time. I fully support the Blue Dogs and their insistence that we have the best possible plan for reform as we move forward.

J Dogg

I appreciate your response. This is EXACTLY what I am having a HUGE problem with. I work with two people who voted for Obama...still support him and the Democratic party but DO NOT want government regulated healthcare reform.

Yet the media is VERY eager to print the party line about "Manufactured Hate" without investigating the claim. I am supposed to talk to people like you and the two I work with and simply "believe" that you dont exist.

I read where one Democratic Senator stating that those who opposed Healthcare reform were "plants", offering the fact that the area in which his townhall meeting was held was "predominatly democratic" as proof.

HELLO!!!! I have two problems with that.

1) Putting a townhall meeting in such an area stinks of trying to get "manufactured" results. and if not for the overwhelming public dissaproval of this bill...the senator would have got the results that he was striving for...overwhelming support by loading the meeting with those predisposed to agree with him. Too bad it backfired..right?

2) It IGNORES the possibilty that the voters in his area might have a mind of their own in regards to this legislation. As much as the right might want to call the left "kool-aid drinkers"..What we are seeing at these town hall meetings is a collection of middle-left voters standing up against the far-left. It is the epitiome of arrogance to poo-poo the voices of those who put these politicians in office by discrediting them completely as "plants".

KUDOS to the Dems at these meetings!!!!:drink:

Preacher
08-08-2009, 05:37 PM
The me first, forget everyone else crowd

Talk about disappointment,

I thought I was going to read something about unions. You know, those people who make 40-70 bucks an hour for a 20-30 dollar an hour job and drive the cost of their products out of the reach of the average American family.

Oh well.

JackHammer
08-08-2009, 06:31 PM
Talk about disappointment,

I thought I was going to read something about unions. You know, those people who make 40-70 bucks an hour for a 20-30 dollar an hour job and drive the cost of their products out of the reach of the average American family.

Oh well.

Of course if it wasn't for corporations exploiting labor, the unions may have never came about in the first place.

Preacher
08-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Of course if it wasn't for corporations exploiting labor, the unions may have never came about in the first place.

Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

JackHammer
08-08-2009, 07:20 PM
Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

Whether or not they're a necessary evil is another argument that has good points on both sides of the issue. In general, there is no broad answer. I know that's hard for the pro/anti Union people to hear, but it's true. There are instances today where unions are absolutely necessary. Likewise there are instances where they're not necessary. To say that the answer is clean cut one way or the other is ridiculous and it throws logic out of the window.

J Dogg
08-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

No it's not. Look at what companies do to illegals who worl for them. They pay them less than minimum wage and extent no benefits whatsoever. Look at the part time employees at almost any big box store.

Unions still need to exist.

The Patriot
08-08-2009, 10:27 PM
Talk about disappointment,

I thought I was going to read something about unions. You know, those people who make 40-70 bucks an hour for a 20-30 dollar an hour job and drive the cost of their products out of the reach of the average American family.

Oh well.

Look, if you're a factory worker or a coal miner, you deserve to have a union and a pension. If your a wealthy hirer-up in a major corporation, then no. Nobody deserves to receive millions of dollars a year after they retire.

tony hipchest
08-08-2009, 10:39 PM
I have always detested the far left wing of my party. Guys like Tony, The Patriot, and SteelTalons. They're the ones who serve as loyal foot soldiers of the agenda of the time. I fully support the Blue Dogs and their insistence that we have the best possible plan for reform as we move forward.:rolleyes:

lol. silly newb...

ive always 'detested' internet blowhards who stomp their feet the hardest, therefore think they know the mostest.

atleast were on even ground (although you need an elevator to reach it). :drink:

7SteelGal43
08-08-2009, 11:00 PM
:rolleyes:

lol. silly newb...

ive always 'detested' internet blowhards who stomp their feet the hardest, therefore think they know the mostest.

atleast were on even ground (although you need an elevator to reach it). :drink:


:applaudit: Keep it up Tony, runnin your mouth with that typical liberal smug attitude....I'm lovin every minute of it. You Libs are gonna find out in the next 2 election cycles that you do not own the Democrat party.

Hammer Of The GODS
08-08-2009, 11:03 PM
Is that the sound of a struck nerve I hear?


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Preacher
08-08-2009, 11:56 PM
No it's not. Look at what companies do to illegals who worl for them. They pay them less than minimum wage and extent no benefits whatsoever. Look at the part time employees at almost any big box store.

Unions still need to exist.

Nope.

There are already laws against illegals working for companies. What needs to happen is ENFORCEMENT of those laws.

Part time employees? :laughing: Great. Organize all part time employees at

Preacher
08-09-2009, 12:07 AM
Look, if you're a factory worker or a coal miner, you deserve to have a union and a pension. If your a wealthy hirer-up in a major corporation, then f**k no. Nobody deserves to receive millions of dollars a year after they retire.

Why? Labor relations already provide the laws necessary. 401k funds are much better than any "pension" from a union that ends up providing a joke of a check to its employees (yeah, I watch those 200 dollar checks coming in to my friends parents.

The problem I have is with, say, the UAW. For YEARS, they would target one auto company, say, Ford. They would get as many concessions out of Ford as possible. Then, they would go over to Chevy and say, "See what Ford did? You will give us that PLUS this." THen, they would go over to Dodge and say . . ., or we are all going on strike.

Now, the big three are so screwed its is sad. The problem? The manager/employee relationship is SO poisoned that neither wants to help the other.

No way, no how, no thank you.

I have lived most of my life away from unions, negotiated my own jobs with benefits and salaries apart from unions. Survived just fine. Had one job where I was part of a union. Hated the job, it was the worst setup, the worst when it came to pay, and the worst when it came to benefits, days off and manager employee relationships.

Today, in probably 90% of situations, unions are more the problem than the solution.

7SteelGal43
08-09-2009, 12:44 AM
No it's not. Look at what companies do to illegals who worl for them. They pay them less than minimum wage and extent no benefits whatsoever. Look at the part time employees at almost any big box store.

Unions still need to exist.

I personally know a guy who worked for a major factory for somewhere between 15 and 20 years. He would show up late for work (or not at all) because he was too hung over to get out of bed in the morning. He was arrested for dui twice and jailed meaning time off work. This behaviour went on for years. He was warned, even got suspended once for a brief time. When he did work, he got a huge paycheck and benefiets. Unfortunatley the company couldn't fire this man. He was union.

MasterOfPuppets
08-09-2009, 02:12 AM
Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

yeah companies don't try to screw employee's anymore ....:doh:

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, forced employees in Oregon to work unpaid overtime between 1994 and 1999, a federal jury found Thursday in the first of dozens of such lawsuits across the country to come to trial.

A separate trial will be held to decide how much Wal-Mart should pay in damages.

More than 400 employees from 24 of Wal-Mart's 27 Oregon stores had sued the retailer, accusing it of violating federal and state wage laws.

"I guess, basically, we are disappointed with the verdict. Wal-Mart has a strong policy of paying its associates for all the time they work," said spokesman Bill Wertz. "We would emphasize that this ruling affects only approximately 350 workers out of 15,000 in Oregon."

Wertz said the company is considering whether to appeal.

The lawsuit was filed by Carolyn Thiebes and Betty Alderson, who worked in managerial positions at Wal-Mart stores in the Salem area.

The lawsuit claimed managers got employees to work off the clock by asking them to clean up the store after they had clocked out and by deleting hours from time records.

It also said Wal-Mart reprimanded employees who claimed overtime. Workers felt forced to work after clocking out because managers assigned them more work than they could complete in a regular shift, the plaintiffs said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/20/national/main533818.shtml

Preacher
08-09-2009, 02:14 AM
yeah companies don't try to screw employee's anymore ....:doh:



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/20/national/main533818.shtml

Never said they didn't. I DID say however, that now we have a labor relations board and laws to protect the employees instead. Matter of fact... 1. These were alledged... 2. they were brought up in complaints... 3. the Labor board and lawyers will get a hold of this and they will be sued if it is true.

All of that was done, without unions. Just as it should be now a days.

MasterOfPuppets
08-09-2009, 03:00 AM
Never said they didn't. I DID say however, that now we have a labor relations board and laws to protect the employees instead. Matter of fact... 1. These were alledged... 2. they were brought up in complaints... 3. the Labor board and lawyers will get a hold of this and they will be sued if it is true.

All of that was done, without unions. Just as it should be now a days.
alleged ? they were nailed for the same thing two years prior...

Wal-Mart, a $218 billion company, employs 1 million workers in 3,250 stores in the United States.

Thirty-nine other class-action lawsuits are pending against the company in 30 states. Those suits, from California to New York, involve hundreds of thousands of workers seeking tens of millions in back pay.

Previously, Wal-Mart settled two similar overtime cases in Colorado and New Mexico.

The company reportedly paid $50 million two years ago to settle an off-the-clock lawsuit covering 69,000 workers in Colorado, and it recently settled for $500,000 a case involving 120 workers in Gallup, N.M., said one of the plaintiffs' attorneys.

Preacher
08-09-2009, 03:02 AM
alleged ? they were nailed for the same thing two years prior...

I was talking about this case that you posted... it is alleged until proven in court.

However, what you posted in your last post strengthens my argument, that we don't need the unions, because the courts and the Labor board can take care of it.

MasterOfPuppets
08-09-2009, 03:27 AM
I was talking about this case that you posted... it is alleged until proven in court.

However, what you posted in your last post strengthens my argument, that we don't need the unions, because the courts and the Labor board can take care of it.

sure if its thousands of people collectively complaining, but would the labor board take the time and use its resources if its just a few, or one person thats gettin the shaft ? they'd probably just tell ya to suck it up or find another job.
actually i think the fact that they continued this practice AFTER they were already nailed for it, doesn't support your claim at all...
and they did lose the suit...
Wal-Mart to Pay Over Half a Billion Dollars to Settle Overtime and other FLSA
Lawsuits
http://www.hrlawyersblog.com/2009/01/articles/overtime-law-1/walmart-to-pay-over-half-a-billion-dollars-to-settle-overtime-and-other-flsa-lawsuits/

Does Wal-mart need a hall monitor?
Posted on June 30, 2006 by Christopher McKinney

Does Wal-Mart need court-appointed monitors at its stores to ensure that it complies with FLSA rest and meal break laws? That question is being wrangled over right now in a California courtroom.

The case, Savaglio v. Wal-Mart Stores, already resulted in a $172 million dollar verdict against the company. Now the court has turned to the injunctive relief sought by the plaintiffs. It is rare for meal and rest break class actions to reach a trial verdict, as opposed to a settlement. As a result, the outcome of this case could offer some insight into what measures a court might be willing to impose on a recalcitrant company.

The plaintiffs in the Savaglio case are asking the court to appoint a third-party company to act as a monitor and for Wal-Mart to undertake audits and report its compliance. The plaintiffs also want a court order enjoining Wal-Mart from asking employees to sign away their right to meal breaks; some companies have used this tactic by applying coercion to their employees to obtain such an agreement.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-09-2009, 06:23 AM
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The...090807-47.html (http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Me-First-Forget-Every-by-David-Sirota-090807-47.html)



I know I should be mortified by the lobbyist-organized mobs of angry Brooks Brothers mannequins who are now making headlines by shutting down congressional town hall meetings.

Finally, there's no pretense. Finally, the Me-First, Forget-Everyone-Else Crowd's ugliest traits are there for all to behold.




One of the most hypocritical things I have EVER read....

Since you felt stongly enough to post this drivel....Please explain the following:

NW Progressive Institute, March 2005: "a boisterous crowd which frequently interrupted the discussion with shouts and hard nosed questions. ... Democrats in the audience who were interrupting the panel.... the crowd erupted in anger... Democrats in the audience started shouting him down again."
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/03/analysis-reichert-social-security-town.html

Savannah Morning News, March 2005: "By now, Jack Kingston is used to shouted questions, interruptions and boos. Republican congressmen expect such responses these days when they meet with constituents about President Bush's proposal to overhaul Social Security."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-130823725.html

USA Today, March 2005: "Shaken by raucous protests at open "town hall"-style meetings last month ... Santorum was among dozens of members of Congress who ran gantlets of demonstrators and shouted over hecklers at Social Security events last month. Many who showed up to protest were alerted by e-mails and bused in by anti-Bush organizations such as MoveOn.org and USAction, a liberal advocacy group. They came with prepared questions and instructions on how to confront lawmakers."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-03-16-gop-townhalls_x.htm

1) No meetings were shut down....that is a lie.
2) Still no evidence that these are Republicans..in fact, its ignored that some describe themselves as registered Democrats. One would have to be totally insane to even imagine that middle-left Dems cannot be against this legislation.
3) The obvious hypocrisy of the author is self-evident in the facts above...when people demonstrated against Bush it was a "revival" of left wing grass roots voters who were righteously indignant. When the people stand up against this congress and this POS legislation, its called "manufactured hate".....pathetic.

revefsreleets
08-09-2009, 02:59 PM
The only problem with this thread is that we moved 100% hate-baiting ignorance into the light by elevating the thread into an actual pseudo-intellectual level.

These pieces that were posted were from super fringy far-left rags, by hack "journalists" with zero credibility.

It worries me as much that people read this garbage and believe every word of it that there are also people on the other end of the spectrum who interpret Rush Limbaugh's view of things, which is largely for entertainment purposes, as gospel truth....

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-09-2009, 03:09 PM
The only problem with this thread is that we moved 100% hate-baiting ignorance into the light by elevating the thread into an actual pseudo-intellectual level.

These pieces that were posted were from super fringy far-left rags, by hack "journalists" with zero credibility.

It worries me as much that people read this garbage and believe every word of it that there are also people on the other end of the spectrum who interpret Rush Limbaugh's view of things, which is largely for entertainment purposes, as gospel truth....

Given the same facts three different people will process what they mean by their personal experience.

If you say "purple"...

Republicans think ...."Haze"
Independents think..."Rain"
Democrats think:......."Dinosaur"

(I'M KIDDING!!!!!!! I was thinking of an example and that popped into my head.)

Welcome to another episode of "random thoughts by LLT".:scholar:

millwalldavey
08-09-2009, 04:31 PM
The real problem is that the country lacks leadership right now both from the democrats and republicans.

True. This is why in an allegedly mutliparty system, other parties should be viable. Unfortunately, media coverage only lends steam to one or the other.

Preacher
08-09-2009, 07:52 PM
True. This is why in an allegedly mutliparty system, other parties should be viable. Unfortunately, media coverage only lends steam to one or the other.

Too true.

In a multi party system, it is too hard to isolate and demagogue the other party, because there are always two or three other parties out there.