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lamberts-lost-tooth
08-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Republicans...Democrats....Independents....Whateve r!!!!! We are taking over!!! Well....in this thread anyway.

With the power invested in me I authorize everyone in this thread to pass ONE law apiece that will make this a better country. Give KUDOS to those who are "spot on"...and discuss those that might need some adjusting.
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Law #1: Politicians can only gather contributions for elections from registered voters of that politicians district...with a $1,000 cap on contributions per person.

7SteelGal43
08-09-2009, 04:29 PM
Republicans...Democrats....Independents....Whateve r!!!!! We are taking over!!! Well....in this thread anyway.

With the power invested in me I authorize everyone in this thread to pass ONE law apiece that will make this a better country. Give KUDOS to those who are "spot on"...and discuss those that might need some adjusting.
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Law #1: Politicians can only gather contributions for elections from registered voters of that politicians district...with a $1,000 cap on contributions per person.

Law #2 .... Congress shall pass no legislation that takes us one step closer to socialism :tt03:

millwalldavey
08-09-2009, 04:29 PM
#3: Complete and utter separation of religion from any and all governmental decisions and passing of any and all laws.

Vincent
08-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Republicans...Democrats....Independents....Whateve r!!!!! We are taking over!!! Well....in this thread anyway.

With the power invested in me I authorize everyone in this thread to pass ONE law apiece that will make this a better country. Give KUDOS to those who are "spot on"...and discuss those that might need some adjusting.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Law #1: Politicians can only gather contributions for elections from registered voters of that politicians district...with a $1,000 cap on contributions per person.

Do you realize what you're saying Man?! This law would have robbed us of our "savior". :rofl::rofl::rofl: "above my paygrade", indeed.

On that note: If making the country better is the criterion, then Law # 4 should be "At no time, and for no reason, will a child be taken from his Mother's womb, except to save that child if it is in distress, or save his Mother if she is in distress." There are probably still loopholes for baby killers in that one, but it is the best I can do.

MACH1
08-09-2009, 05:43 PM
#5. Legalize pot and tax it.

revefsreleets
08-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Destroy the current tax code, eliminate the IRS altogether, and go to a stripped down flat 14% tax (with a few exemptions/abatements for CONFIRMED low income people) for everyone.

steelpinstripe72
08-09-2009, 07:14 PM
#3: Complete and utter separation of religion from any and all governmental decisions and passing of any and all laws.

I may be a Christian, but I second this. I'm looking more at schools when I think about this, because there was a Muslim family that went to my high school. Should they be made to take part in mandatory prayer that some people are calling for? And on the flip side of this, why are other religions acceptable to learn about in history classes, but learning about Christianity is a no-no? It's impossible to include everyone when considering religion in governmental decisions like schools, etc, so just...don't.

My other thing is - and I don't know if the government could ever do anything about this - is teaching hospitals. I understand med students need to practice...really. But I almost died when I was 12, because someone got careless. A routine surgical procedure almost killed me, because they did it wrong. People have told me that we don't have to sign consent forms for med students to do procedures if the procedure is done in a teaching hospital. They didn't tell us that med students were going to do it, but afterwards, it was painfully obvious that med students had, because no competent doctor would have screwed that up. I was 12 at the time, but I think everyone has the right to know what's going on while they're under for surgery, regardless of age.

Godfather
08-09-2009, 08:12 PM
Raise the HSA contribution limit to $12K a year and abolish all restrictions on covered expenses and using the account on behalf of third parties.

Preacher
08-09-2009, 09:11 PM
#3: Complete and utter separation of religion from any and all governmental decisions and passing of any and all laws.

Um, we have that now.

Or do you think that religious people should not be able to voice their beliefs like atheist people?

7SteelGal43
08-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Um, we have that now.

Or do you think that religious people should not be able to voice their beliefs like atheist people?

Right. I mean the only way to have "complete and utter" separation of Church and State would be to not let any person who has any religious conviction of any kind run for public office. Any person elected is going to take their "church" with them when they enter office. They are still most likely able to govern according to the constitution or the law, but their "church" is always going to be with them. By the way, was Barak Obama a church going man ?

Vincent
08-09-2009, 09:54 PM
Destroy the current tax code, eliminate the IRS altogether, and go to a stripped down flat 14% tax (with a few exemptions/abatements for CONFIRMED low income people) for everyone.

HEY! You can't say that!! That's just wrong. The economy would be white hot. How would we ever get socialized "healthcare"?

Actually, I would favor a VAT ONLY. EVERYBODY (yes, even illegals) pays the same percentage on what they buy. NO other individual tax. Period. See, now that's FAIR.

Right. I mean the only way to have "complete and utter" separation of Church and State would be to not let any person have any religious conviction of any kind run for public office.

That's the agenda. Then we'd have socialism as the state religion. And then the socialist bastards can round up the "religious" folks just like they did elsewhere, and are still doing in china. History repeats.

Preacher
08-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Right. I mean the only way to have "complete and utter" separation of Church and State would be to not let any person who has any religious conviction of any kind run for public office. Any person elected is going to take their "church" with them when they enter office. They are still most likely able to govern according to the constitution or the law, but their "church" is always going to be with them. By the way, was Barak Obama a church going man ?

Not only was he a church going man, but he went to a church that preached Black Liberation Theology.

Go take a look at what liberation theology really is. . . and then what he is doing in govt. now.

Today, We have a larger joining of theology and the presidency then we have had in the last 40 years.

7SteelGal43
08-09-2009, 10:03 PM
That's the agenda. Then we'd have socialism as the state religion. And then the socialist bastards can round up the "religious" folks just like they did elsewhere, and are still doing in china. History repeats.

BINGO....and not for nothing, but, we all pretty much know about Rev Wright, right ? And we know that Obama sat in that congregation for 20 years or so.......Just wondering, how do you think it would fly if we elected a president who had sat in a church for 20 years where the pastor sounded like he spends his free time in a white hood serving as grand wizard of the KKK ? Would we be able to convice his detractora that "it doesn't really mean anything" ?

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
08-09-2009, 10:32 PM
I can only do one? This is going to be tough!

#6 Go to a straight popular vote for elections. (I know that Gore would have won then, but it is what the people voted for)

or

#6 Limit Congressmen to 2 terms just like the President

7SteelGal43
08-09-2009, 10:43 PM
I can only do one? This is going to be tough!

#6 Go to a straight popular vote for elections. (I know that Gore would have won then, but it is what the people voted for)

or

#6 Limit Congressmen to 2 terms just like the President


I'm all for term limits for ANY and ALL elected officials. Even dog catcher. I wonder if doing away with the electoral college would actually cause more voters to get off the couch and head to the polls ? Think about it. How do you think the popular vote would be affected if people were not sitting there thinking "'eh, I live in a red/blue state anyway, so what does it matter ?"

Preacher
08-10-2009, 12:12 AM
7# Make the press accountable and open to lawsuits for slander.

stlrtruck
08-10-2009, 07:14 AM
#8 - This is a two fold law:

1) For every bill going through to our representatives, it must be written in clear, concise, no lawyerish language, and not include any pork

2) This same bill must be made available on every representatives website (including the one for the White House) and all constituents get to vote on the bill (every voter will be granted a personal log-on ID and password in order to vote) and the representative must vote the way of the popular vote from his constituents. If he fails to do so just once, then he will be removed from office immediately and a new 3-day election will be held to find his replacement.

Vincent
08-10-2009, 07:56 AM
#8 - This is a two fold law:

1) For every bill going through to our representatives, it must be written in clear, concise, no lawyerish language, and not include any pork

2) This same bill must be made available on every representatives website (including the one for the White House) and all constituents get to vote on the bill (every voter will be granted a personal log-on ID and password in order to vote) and the representative must vote the way of the popular vote from his constituents. If he fails to do so just once, then he will be removed from office immediately and a new 3-day election will be held to find his replacement.

The spirit of the idea is good. The problem would become the abuse by the acorns of the world that abuse such things. I doubt that it could be fairly implemented.

The relationship of the elected to their constituencies is akin to that of the electoral college to the electorate, it's balance. The framers correctly foresaw the abuse and fraud that could ensue from direct democracy. We are, in fact, a representative republic. We are not a democracy. Interesting, the names of the parties, huh? :chuckle:

Dino 6 Rings
08-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Law # 9

All people over the age of 21 found guilty of sexual abuse, molestation, rape or muder of a child under the age of 16 will be put to death upon conviction.

(I use the age difference to allow for the Highschool Senior who turns 18 while dating a junior that is 17. Avoids the parents filing statatory rape charges and what not. But a 21 year old should not date a 15 year old.)

Law # 10

Prior to Running for Any Federally Elected Office, all records of education, writings, birth, appearances, campaign donations and donators and affiliations with any and all groups will be made public. Refusal to release School Records, Writings, Term Papers, Medical Records including Official Birth Certificates, Travel Records and Passports, with stamps and Country of Issue, and any and all other records the Public needs to see to know who they are voting for will hereby make any potential Candidate for Federal Elections officially Disqualified.

Any records of attending 3rd party Rallies, attending Klan Meetings or Flag burnings will be made Public PRIOR to the Election. Failure to do so will be an automatic Disqualification.

Law # 11

Illegal Immigration will be known as Illegal Immigration from this point forward. Anyone found to have entered this country in an Illegal way shall be detained and deported back to their country of origin at the expense of their Country of Origin. A fence shall be constructed in the more problematic locations and the National Guard will be used to Guard the Nation by patrolling the borders. The Coast Guard will also be responsible for checking Inbound Shipments of suspicious origin. Any Nation that knowing helps people illegally cross our borders will be held to account with the immediate withdrawl of ALL US Funds until that Nation meets our Legal Requirements for Not Aiding Illegal Entry into our Sovereign Land.

stlrtruck
08-10-2009, 12:18 PM
The spirit of the idea is good. The problem would become the abuse by the acorns of the world that abuse such things. I doubt that it could be fairly implemented.

The relationship of the elected to their constituencies is akin to that of the electoral college to the electorate, it's balance. The framers correctly foresaw the abuse and fraud that could ensue from direct democracy. We are, in fact, a representative republic. We are not a democracy. Interesting, the names of the parties, huh? :chuckle:

The ACORNs of the country would be eliminated if not of their own accord, then by elimination of the need for them to register for party members as the two current parties would be removed.

stlrtruck
08-10-2009, 12:20 PM
Law # 9

All people over the age of 21 found guilty of sexual abuse, molestation, rape or muder of a child under the age of 16 will be put to death upon conviction.

(I use the age difference to allow for the Highschool Senior who turns 18 while dating a junior that is 17. Avoids the parents filing statatory rape charges and what not. But a 21 year old should not date a 15 year old.)

Law # 10

Prior to Running for Any Federally Elected Office, all records of education, writings, birth, appearances, campaign donations and donators and affiliations with any and all groups will be made public. Refusal to release School Records, Writings, Term Papers, Medical Records including Official Birth Certificates, Travel Records and Passports, with stamps and Country of Issue, and any and all other records the Public needs to see to know who they are voting for will hereby make any potential Candidate for Federal Elections officially Disqualified.

Any records of attending 3rd party Rallies, attending Klan Meetings or Flag burnings will be made Public PRIOR to the Election. Failure to do so will be an automatic Disqualification.

Law # 11

Illegal Immigration will be known as Illegal Immigration from this point forward. Anyone found to have entered this country in an Illegal way shall be detained and deported back to their country of origin at the expense of their Country of Origin. A fence shall be constructed in the more problematic locations and the National Guard will be used to Guard the Nation by patrolling the borders. The Coast Guard will also be responsible for checking Inbound Shipments of suspicious origin. Any Nation that knowing helps people illegally cross our borders will be held to account with the immediate withdrawl of ALL US Funds until that Nation meets our Legal Requirements for Not Aiding Illegal Entry into our Sovereign Land.

:applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit:

Indo
08-10-2009, 05:44 PM
My other thing is - and I don't know if the government could ever do anything about this - is teaching hospitals. I understand med students need to practice...really. But I almost died when I was 12, because someone got careless. A routine surgical procedure almost killed me, because they did it wrong. People have told me that we don't have to sign consent forms for med students to do procedures if the procedure is done in a teaching hospital. They didn't tell us that med students were going to do it, but afterwards, it was painfully obvious that med students had, because no competent doctor would have screwed that up. I was 12 at the time, but I think everyone has the right to know what's going on while they're under for surgery, regardless of age.

A bit off topic, but I am compelled to respond to this---

No teaching hospital allows med students or Resident doctors in training to "practice" on patients. Period. All procedures are supervised by Attending Physicians who must be present during the procedure.. This is a law.

sixstringlass
08-11-2009, 05:34 PM
Ban corporate lobbyists. Period. Make it a treasonous act for any government official at any level to accept money from lobbyists, including energy, petro-chemical, pharmeceutical, medical, media, whatever. no business should be able to buy themseleves the power to make laws that give them more power.

Vincent
08-11-2009, 05:42 PM
Ban corporate lobbyists. Period. Make it a treasonous act for any government official at any level to accept money from lobbyists, including energy, petro-chemical, pharmeceutical, medical, media, whatever. no business should be able to buy themseleves the power to make laws that give them more power.

But its OK for the leftist lobbyists to influence politicians?

Preacher
08-11-2009, 06:03 PM
Ban corporate lobbyists. Period. Make it a treasonous act for any government official at any level to accept money from lobbyists, including energy, petro-chemical, pharmeceutical, medical, media, whatever. no business should be able to buy themseleves the power to make laws that give them more power.

As long as you include in that Unions, ACORN, PAC's, Moveon.org, NOW, NAACP, ACLU, etc. etc.

What's wrong is wrong. Either everyone gets influence, or no one gets influence. After all those companies are mainly american citizens in districts that employee american workers.

MasterOfPuppets
08-11-2009, 07:59 PM
non us citizens must leave the country now unless you have a visa...and children born to non us citizens in this country will no longer automatically be US citizens.

sixstringlass
08-12-2009, 05:29 AM
As long as you include in that Unions, ACORN, PAC's, Moveon.org, NOW, NAACP, ACLU, etc. etc.

What's wrong is wrong. Either everyone gets influence, or no one gets influence. After all those companies are mainly american citizens in districts that employee american workers.

Dude, I mean ANYBODY. Nobody should be able to buy legislation. Also, they may be Americans and American companies, but when they have their home offices in the Middle East and are using offshore banking to avoid paying taxes, somehow, I am a little less forgiving of them than the average American citizen.

sixstringlass
08-12-2009, 05:32 AM
But its OK for the leftist lobbyists to influence politicians?

Did I say that?

....checking...

No. No, I didn't.

I'm not a democrat. I'm not a liberal. I am not a republican or conservative, either. I don't subscribe to any of the labels that the media seems to think each and every one of us need. No, all I really care about is that the laws of this land favor the PEOPLE, not special interests, including any organization, group, or corporation.

Just because I didn't specifically mention a bunch of things doesn't mean that I think that they should be able to throw money at problems. In fact, what I said was "lobbyists," though I also said "corporate lobbyists, because they are the worst offenders.

But I meant everybody.

silver & black
08-12-2009, 06:20 AM
Dude, I mean ANYBODY. Nobody should be able to buy legislation. Also, they may be Americans and American companies, but when they have their home offices in the Middle East and are using offshore banking to avoid paying taxes, somehow, I am a little less forgiving of them than the average American citizen.

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