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7SteelGal43
08-10-2009, 12:52 AM
Why is it when a Rebublican congressman has an affair, Dems cry moral outrage and demand he step down (as rightly do Republicans). Yet when a Democrat president does the same thing, there's no moral outrage to be found from the left.

MasterOfPuppets
08-10-2009, 01:26 AM
personally i don't get the " outrage " ,period ... thats a private matter between the parties "involved" and is absolutely nobody elses business. how much of the taxpayers money was pissed away to find out clinton was a cheating perv ? the few good jokes we got out of it certainly didn't justify the amount.

Preacher
08-10-2009, 01:37 AM
personally i don't get the " outrage " ,period ... thats a private matter between the parties "involved" and is absolutely nobody elses business. how much of the taxpayers money was pissed away to find out clinton was a cheating perv ? the few good jokes we got out of it certainly didn't justify the amount.

Actually, the issue wasn't whether Clinton cheated or not, it was whether he was using his position of power and authority to influence women under him sexually.

It is called sexual harassment in the workplace.

If it was about some woman on the side, THAT wouldn't justify the money spent.

However, I personally DO have a problem trusting a person who violates the trust given to him in what is supposed to be the most intimate and trusting of relationships.

Doesn't mean that person is immediately disqualified in my mind, but it really raises up red flags for me.

MasterOfPuppets
08-10-2009, 02:01 AM
Actually, the issue wasn't whether Clinton cheated or not, it was whether he was using his position of power and authority to influence women under him sexually.

It is called sexual harassment in the workplace.

If it was about some woman on the side, THAT wouldn't justify the money spent.

However, I personally DO have a problem trusting a person who violates the trust given to him in what is supposed to be the most intimate and trusting of relationships.

Doesn't mean that person is immediately disqualified in my mind, but it really raises up red flags for me.
which amazingly enough they manage to dig up paula jones, who decided 3 years after the "supposed" incident that slick willie sexually harrassed her and wanted compensated for it...hmmm ... sounds like something thats goin on now....:doh:

Preacher
08-10-2009, 02:08 AM
which amazingly enough they manage to dig up paula jones, who decided 3 years after the "supposed" incident that slick willie sexually harrassed her and wanted compensated for it...hmmm ... sounds like something thats goin on now....:doh:

More than that, when a person that has direct authority over another's employment has sexual relations with that person, it immediately causes all types of concerns. When, in the end, a whitehouse intern gets a 6 figure job because of a sexual relation-- it seems that such investigations were very necessary. As such, since Ben neither employed the woman nor had direct authority over her employment, it seems to be nothing alike.

Vincent
08-10-2009, 07:45 AM
My recollection of the Great Lewinsky Affair was as much of a young trollop as it was a Lothario that happened to occupy the Oval Office. IMHO, their "moral footing" was about equal. :toofunny::rofl: I think it was less about the "most powerful man in the world" abusing the "First Fellatrix", than it was about the ensuing subterfuge. There, laws were broken. The whole sordid affair was great TV though. :tt03::popcorn::rofl::thumbsup::toofunny:

As to the point of the thread? One could attribute the double standard to the obsequious "media". Although they did bake John Edwards.

I think the larger double standard is in how the "media" treat anything outside of their "mainstream". The notion that the "media" present any form of "journalism" at this point is ridiculous. They are taught "advocacy journalism" in the hallowed halls of "higher education", and that is precisely what they practice. I have no issue with folks voicing their opinion, regardless of what that opinion is. Just don't frame opinions as "journalism" and sell it as such. That is fraudulent.

revefsreleets
08-10-2009, 08:29 AM
One of the problems with this whole line of reason is that the Republicans are claiming to have a higher set of standards, so when they fall, it's a bit farther to fall because they've raised the bar a little higher for themselves. It also makes them susceptible to their own hypocrisy.

Does that mean it's OK or expected for Democrats to cheat and philander around? Of course not, but it does mean there is sort of a sliding scale of moral turpitude...

Godfather
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
One of the problems with this whole line of reason is that the Republicans are claiming to have a higher set of standards, so when they fall, it's a bit farther to fall because they've raised the bar a little higher for themselves. It also makes them susceptible to their own hypocrisy.

Does that mean it's OK or expected for Democrats to cheat and philander around? Of course not, but it does mean there is sort of a sliding scale of moral turpitude...

Another problem is both sides are guilty of that kind of hackery.

tony hipchest
08-10-2009, 07:20 PM
simple.

tonto say "ride on high horse = greater the fall".

:yeehaw:

i think the right is hypocritical to whine about it. :crying01: what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

SteelTalons
08-10-2009, 07:47 PM
simple.

tonto say "ride on high horse = greater the fall".

:yeehaw:

i think the right is hypocritical to whine about it. :crying01: what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Exactly.

I dont personally care what these guys and gals do so long as it doesn't effect their ability to govern properly.

But the reason the left doesn't care when a Democrat does it, but complains when a Republican does. Has to do with the fact most Dems arent claiming moral high ground. They aren't going super-religious on everyone saying I'm qualified to run because Im a man/woman of faith like the Republicans do oh so often.

When a person turns around and does something they claimed they were against. The lefts "outrage" isn't so much about actually giving a damn what they did as it is calling a hypocrite a hypocrite.

This has more to do with irony than outrage honestly.

tony hipchest
08-10-2009, 07:53 PM
:yep:

....and the irony is super thick in here these days.

MasterOfPuppets
08-11-2009, 02:02 AM
if your looking for some "moral outrage" look no further....
Sex Offender Issues
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2008/09/republican-hypocrisy-i-am-fed-up-with.html

Republican Sex Scandals
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals#2009

John Weaver, a longtime GOP strategist, said: "The voters have chosen new management for a reason, and this just reinforces it. It just makes the hill a little steeper for us." Looking toward 2012, Weaver joked, "At this rate, if you're a junior Jaycees president in Memphis, you could be in line for the nomination." [I]go warm up in the bullpen steelgal...your goin in..:laughing:

Republicans in Congress have been trying to develop a more effective response to President Obama and the Democrats, and there is a sense among some GOP lawmakers and strategists that they have slowly begun to identify the president's vulnerabilities. But polls show that Republicans have made little progress since the election. The latest Washington Post-ABC News survey found Republicans lower in favorability than at any point since the early 1990s. Obama enjoys huge advantages in public trust.

Some political strategists question how Republicans can get traction when two pillars of their message -- family values and fiscal rectitude -- have been undermined by errant politicians' transgressions, and by the collective failure of GOP leaders to control spending when they held the White House and Congress.

"If Republicans talk about family values, people will roll their eyes," said Matthew Dowd,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403545.html

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Preacher
08-11-2009, 02:29 AM
But the reason the left doesn't care when a Democrat does it, but complains when a Republican does. Has to do with the fact most Dems arent claiming moral high ground. They aren't going super-religious on everyone saying I'm qualified to run because Im a man/woman of faith like the Republicans do oh so often.
.

Really? When was the last time a GOPer claimed to be a super-religious person and claimed they were qualified because of their faith?

Oh yeah, and I am going need a source for this one... an actual quote.

Many CLAIM faith. Many TALK about how their faith interacts with what they do.. but Qualified BECAUSE of their faith? I am looking forward to seeing that one... "I am qualified to be president because I am a baptist...methodist...presbyterian...christian...m uslim...(oops, never mind the last one)."

MasterOfPuppets
08-11-2009, 02:48 AM
Really? When was the last time a GOPer claimed to be a super-religious person and claimed they were qualified because of their faith?

Oh yeah, and I am going need a source for this one... an actual quote.

Many CLAIM faith. Many TALK about how their faith interacts with what they do.. but Qualified BECAUSE of their faith? I am looking forward to seeing that one... "I am qualified to be president because I am a baptist...methodist...presbyterian...christian...m uslim...(oops, never mind the last one)."
this one is pretty close....:laughing:

Oklahoma Republican Blames Gays for Recession
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Thursday, July 2, 2009

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Oklahoma Republican State Rep. Sally Kern, declared war on the LGBT community saying, “[the LGBT community is] “the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism.” Kern, a radical, rightwing homophobe, even introduced a resolution blaming gays, troubled families, and general “debauchery” for the nation’s financial crisis.

Read below:

WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and

WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and

WHEREAS, alarmed that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built; and

WHEREAS, grieved that the Office of the president of these United States has refused to uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in giving recognition to our National Day of Prayer; and

WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;

But this crazy bitch has a skeletons of her own. Sources in Tulsa, OK tell this Blog that Kern and her homo-hating, Baptist preacher hubbie produced a queer son who they’ve disowned! Now, there’s some Christian family values for you.
http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/oklahoma-republican-blames-gays-for-recession/

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X-Terminator
08-11-2009, 06:31 AM
Oy...I think I've seen and heard it all now :doh:

What kind of absolute friggin IDIOT blames the recession on gays? See, this is the main reason why I would never join the Republican party. They have allowed the extreme kook religious nuts to gain way too much power and influence over the party. I have no problem with people practicing religion - I'm a believer in God myself. But good grief...that kind of thinking is just ridiculous, and I can't deal with that. And the sad part is that there are a whole lot of complete dullards out there who'll eat that up.

HometownGal
08-11-2009, 07:14 AM
Oy...I think I've seen and heard it all now :doh:

What kind of absolute friggin IDIOT blames the recession on gays? See, this is the main reason why I would never join the Republican party. They have allowed the extreme kook religious nuts to gain way too much power and influence over the party. I have no problem with people practicing religion - I'm a believer in God myself. But good grief...that kind of thinking is just ridiculous, and I can't deal with that. And the sad part is that there are a whole lot of complete dullards out there who'll eat that up.

It's ONE idiot, XT. :rolleyes: I can guarantee you that the Republican Party as a whole doesn't share that douchenozzle's belief.

We currently have a President who allowed a religious fanatic, who also happens to be a racist, influence him for over 20 years. :shake02:

Though I don't condone infidelity in a marriage, I realize that even politicians are human and what they do in their private lives is really no one else's business but their own (though I couldn't blame Stiffy Bill for going out on Hillary - who in their right mind would want to wake up next to that Rotweiler every morning? :horror:) Both parties are equally as guilty of pointing the fickle finger of blame at the other while living in their glass houses.

KeiselPower99
08-11-2009, 08:00 AM
Exactly.

I dont personally care what these guys and gals do so long as it doesn't effect their ability to govern properly.

But the reason the left doesn't care when a Democrat does it, but complains when a Republican does. Has to do with the fact most Dems arent claiming moral high ground. They aren't going super-religious on everyone saying I'm qualified to run because Im a man/woman of faith like the Republicans do oh so often.

When a person turns around and does something they claimed they were against. The lefts "outrage" isn't so much about actually giving a damn what they did as it is calling a hypocrite a hypocrite.

This has more to do with irony than outrage honestly.

So your saying Democrats embelish the fact that most of em are sleazeballs with no morals?

Godfather
08-11-2009, 08:44 AM
The lefts "outrage" isn't so much about actually giving a damn what they did as it is calling a hypocrite a hypocrite.



There's not even that much principle involved. It's just wanting to destroy a member of the opposing team.

There was an "Impeach Obama" group on Facebook before he even took office. Pure sore loser mentality.

X-Terminator
08-11-2009, 09:55 AM
It's ONE idiot, XT. :rolleyes: I can guarantee you that the Republican Party as a whole doesn't share that douchenozzle's belief.

We currently have a President who allowed a religious fanatic, who also happens to be a racist, influence him for over 20 years. :shake02:

Well, the great majority of them don't, I'll give you that, but far, far too many DO share that douche's belief. Too many for my liking. And trust me, Obama going to Rev. Wright's church of hate for 20 years isn't much different. There are a lot of religious whack jobs on the left as well, only they don't get nearly as much press. Honestly, if I didn't have to pick a party to vote in the primaries in PA, I'd be an independent - in fact, I WAS an independent up until 2003, when I found out about the party requirement.

revefsreleets
08-11-2009, 10:09 AM
This thread seems to be moving away from it's original point of origin.

Is it NOT safe to say that the GOP has buddied up with the fundamentalist Christian right? By doing so, and steeping themselves in the cloak of religious conservatism, it DOES make them a little more susceptible to scrutiny when they "fall from grace". That in no way excuses the left when they make their more than fair share of mistakes and moral missteps. It's simple common sense...there is an added element of irony when a guy labels himself a Christian and thumps his bible then gets caught with a dead girl or a live boy...

7SteelGal43
08-11-2009, 11:35 AM
One of the problems with this whole line of reason is that the Republicans are claiming to have a higher set of standards, so when they fall, it's a bit farther to fall because they've raised the bar a little higher for themselves. It also makes them susceptible to their own hypocrisy.

Does that mean it's OK or expected for Democrats to cheat and philander around? Of course not, but it does mean there is sort of a sliding scale of moral turpitude...

Good points rev, and so true. It really makes me sad that the sliding scale you speak of is a fact. I guess I just wish that ALL Americans would hold ALL elected officials to the SAME standards. Even with that, I mean, even among private citiezens, people falter. Affiars happen. Are these elected officials to be held to a HIGHER standard than say, the average American ? I suppose one could make the argument that an affair by an elected official especially at the federal level, can kinda be a black eye to the nation and yes, bring in to question that persons character and the fact how he or she does their job and conducts themselves effects the nation.

7SteelGal43
08-11-2009, 11:56 AM
Oy...I think I've seen and heard it all now :doh:

What kind of absolute friggin IDIOT blames the recession on gays? See, this is the main reason why I would never join the Republican party. They have allowed the extreme kook religious nuts to gain way too much power and influence over the party. I have no problem with people practicing religion - I'm a believer in God myself. But good grief...that kind of thinking is just ridiculous, and I can't deal with that. And the sad part is that there are a whole lot of complete dullards out there who'll eat that up.

If I thought for a second that Representative Kern's views were prevelant in the thinking, speaking, or actions of the Republican party, I would not remain a registered Republican. Period. If I didn't think her views and statements were nothing more than a single, no bigger than a pin point, blip on the radar, I'd be gone. I hear so many on the outside of the Republican party say we need to practice more 'tolerance'. Well, from where I stand, inside, I see tolerance. And as a Republican, I make this vow. I promise not to judge the entire Democrat party on the thinking, speaking, or actions of Nancy Pelosi.