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SteelTalons
08-11-2009, 01:55 PM
GEICO Car Insurance to Pull Advertisements Away from Glenn Beck Program

Insurance Company Joins Lawyers.com, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance and SC Johnson in Distancing Themselves from FNC Anchor

OAKLAND, Calif.--Adding to a growing list of advertisers distancing themselves from controversial Fox News personality Glenn Beck, GEICO has pledged to re-direct their advertisements away from Beck's program on the Fox News Channel. The decision by GEICO comes on the heels of announcements made last week that LexisNexis-owned Lawyers.com, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance and SC Johnson were distancing themselves from Beck after the news host called President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people."

"On Tuesday, August 4, GEICO instructed its ad buying service to redistribute its inventory of rotational spots on FOX-TV to their other network programs, exclusive of the Glenn Beck program," said a spokesperson for GEICO Corporate Communications in an email to ColorOfChange.org. "As of August 4, GEICO no longer runs any paid advertising spots during Mr. Beck's program."

"We applaud GEICO and all of the other companies who have stepped forward to pull their ads from Glenn Beck," said James Rucker, executive director of ColorOfChange.org. "Beck's rhetoric is dangerous to the fabric of our democracy, and we are heartened that so many big companies feel the same way. We won't stop here -- we're going to continue our fight to see that as many of Beck's advertisers pull their support as possible."

Two weeks ago, ColorOfChange.org called on its 600,000-plus members to sign a petition urging companies who advertise on Glenn Beck to cut off their advertising support of his work. More than 75,000 members responded to the call by signing a petition directed at advertisers.

Last week, ColorOfChange.org received confirmation from LexisNexis that they pulled their ads from Beck and have no plans to advertise on the program in the future. Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance and SC Johnson called the Beck advertising placements an error that they would correct.

The ColorOfChange.org email urged members to go visit http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/, where they could send letters to executives of target companies. With more than 600,000 members, ColorOfChange.org is the largest African-American online political organization in the country.

http://colorofchange.org/beck/more/geico-release.html

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Honestly, I don't care if people advertise on his show or not. I posted this just to hear what yall had to say. :coffee:

PisnNapalm
08-11-2009, 02:00 PM
Some other company will gladly buy that air time. Beck's program is a huge draw.

SteelTalons
08-11-2009, 02:07 PM
Some other company will gladly buy that air time. Beck's program is a huge draw.

I have to agree, before you know it will be just like the Factor. Viagra, Cialis, Enzyte, and all those other willy stiffening pills gobbling up those time slots! :chuckle:

revefsreleets
08-11-2009, 02:47 PM
Beck's demo is white affluent homeowners making 75+...GEICO's is not. This was an easy decision for GEICO as they were not in their right demo to begin with.

It's too bad, though, when companies kowtow to fringy elements over freedom of speech issues (think: CBS firing Imus over that flap about nothing because Al and Jesse were upset). It's a weird dichotomy where the left, who is supposed to be the biggest supporters of free speech, are the one's who are always telling others how to act, who can do this and that, what's acceptable and what's not.

Oh, by the way, check out the page...it's the HEIGHT of irony. A website run by blacks telling Beck to stop the race baiting...yikes!

SteelTalons
08-11-2009, 03:16 PM
Beck's demo is white affluent homeowners making 75+...GEICO's is not. This was an easy decision for GEICO as they were not in their right demo to begin with.

It's too bad, though, when companies kowtow to fringy elements over freedom of speech issues (think: CBS firing Imus over that flap about nothing because Al and Jesse were upset). It's a weird dichotomy where the left, who is supposed to be the biggest supporters of free speech, are the one's who are always telling others how to act, who can do this and that, what's acceptable and what's not.

Oh, by the way, check out the page...it's the HEIGHT of irony. A website run by blacks telling Beck to stop the race baiting...yikes!

What do "white affluent homeowners making 75+" not need car insurance? :noidea:

Preacher
08-11-2009, 03:46 PM
What do "white affluent homeowners making 75+" not need car insurance? :noidea:

No. Geico doesn't cater to that crowd. They do not have home owners insurance, umbrella insurance, etc. etc. that can be put together for greater discounts. Affluent homeowners making 75+ will go to other companies like Farmers, State Farm, Travelers, Progressive (maybe), etc. etc.

Geico also has no local agent. Many homeowners want a local agent to come see the home and its damages... or someone that they can walk into the office and see in order to complain or fret with over an issue.

When I wasn't a homeowner, I didn't care. Now, I would, but I still get my employee discount from the insurance comp. I worked for 8 years ago-- so that is worth more than having a local agent, imo.

J Dogg
08-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Screw Geico. They're unethical as hell anyway. They insured me knowing I had an accident on my record and then dropped me a month later citing my accident as the reason why.

I hope that company goes belly up sooner rather than later.

Preacher
08-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Screw Geico. They're unethical as hell anyway. They insured me knowing I had an accident on my record and then dropped me a month later citing my accident as the reason why.

I hope that company goes belly up sooner rather than later.

:laughing:

What do you expect from a company that was built to cater to the government?

G.(overnment) E (mployee) I (nsurance) CO (mpany).

It was privately owned, but built to insure govt. workers.

SCSTILLER
08-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Screw Geico. They're unethical as hell anyway. They insured me knowing I had an accident on my record and then dropped me a month later citing my accident as the reason why.

I hope that company goes belly up sooner rather than later.

Agreed, screw Geico! They dropped me after I had an accident while with them. The second the paper work was done to get my car back from the repair and all that fun stuff I got a letter saying they would no longer insure me!

Oh well, leave the Glen Beck show, I am sick of looking at that stupid lizard anyways!

revefsreleets
08-11-2009, 04:07 PM
GEICO is a 100% online company catering to the 18-54 demo with little cash who are looking for a bargain....

Beck's demo is a 45-64 year old guy who has a 3,000+ sq/ft house, 2.5 kids, and probably is well into the 6 figure range. A Beck listener already has an agent who covers ALL his insurance he's done business with for years. Bad fit...

If this WAS a company that fit well with Beck's demo, say and investment firm or any kind of high-end product seller , they'd have ignored pressure from fringe lefty groups. They are largely anti-corporate/anti-business anyway, which is a big part of the reason there's no real traction by any leftist radio. What business wants to sponsor kooks who bash business?

fansince'76
08-11-2009, 04:20 PM
GEICO is a 100% online company catering to the 18-54 demo with little cash who are looking for a bargain....

Really? When I was in my 20s, I had GEICO for a time and dropped them for Farmers as GEICO seemed to be one of the more expensive insurers out there. :noidea:

SteelTalons
08-11-2009, 04:33 PM
GEICO is a 100% online company catering to the 18-54 demo with little cash who are looking for a bargain....

Beck's demo is a 45-64 year old guy who has a 3,000+ sq/ft house, 2.5 kids, and probably is well into the 6 figure range. A Beck listener already has an agent who covers ALL his insurance he's done business with for years. Bad fit...

If this WAS a company that fit well with Beck's demo, say and investment firm or any kind of high-end product seller , they'd have ignored pressure from fringe lefty groups. They are largely anti-corporate/anti-business anyway, which is a big part of the reason there's no real traction by any leftist radio. What business wants to sponsor kooks who bash business?

Okay... First of all. Where did you get that 3,000+ sq/ft house, 2.5kids, and into the 6 figure range? Ive been trying to find his ratings since I read you say this. And so far I cant find nothing but people complaining about his rating being low back two years ago on Headline News.

And also, I thought the idea of these car insurances ads was to encourage people to switch and "save" on their insurance. So ya they might already have someone covering it but they are still advertising it never the less to get new leads.

I highly doubt the Glenn Beck demo is that well off. Some maybe, but most I doubt have a 3,000sq/ft house making 100,000+ a year.

And if you want to know why liberal talk radio doesn't work? Who listens to talk radio? Same people as Beck's demo! Thats why the liberals have overrun the internet. Our demo frequents here!

J Dogg
08-11-2009, 04:48 PM
Okay... First of all. Where did you get that 3,000+ sq/ft house, 2.5kids, and into the 6 figure range? Ive been trying to find his ratings since I read you say this. And so far I cant find nothing but people complaining about his rating being low back two years ago on Headline News.

And also, I thought the idea of these car insurances ads was to encourage people to switch and "save" on their insurance. So ya they might already have someone covering it but they are still advertising it never the less to get new leads.

I highly doubt the Glenn Beck demo is that well off. Some maybe, but most I doubt have a 3,000sq/ft house making 100,000+ a year.

And if you want to know why liberal talk radio doesn't work? Who listens to talk radio? Same people as Beck's demo! Thats why the liberals have overrun the internet. Our demo frequents here!


Yeah....when you're sitting around collecting unemployment and food stamps you really have nothing better to do.

Vincent
08-11-2009, 05:09 PM
What do "white affluent homeowners making 75+" not need car insurance? :noidea:

They buy good insurance. :chuckle:

SteelTalons
08-11-2009, 09:11 PM
They buy good insurance. :chuckle:

:laughing: Fair enough.

On a side note this just in off the press, Men's Warehouse and Sargento Cheese have pulled ads from Beck's program.

Dear [TTG],

Thank you for contacting Men’s Wearhouse and bringing to our attention your concerns with the Glenn Beck program on Fox News. While we support free speech and do not make advertising decisions based on our own personal ideologies, after reviewing his recent incendiary comments we have decided to remove our advertising from his program. We hope that this decision will allow you to continue to patronize Men’s Wearhouse. I would encourage you to please share our decision with anyone else who may have expressed a similar concern.

Thank you again for contact Men’s Wearhouse.

Sincerely,

Matt Stringer
vp marketing/creative services


ONE DUDE off Dailykos sends then a email. And they drop Beck...

He sent this by the way...

I've been a fan of Men's Wearhouse for a while, buying all my dress pants and suits at your stores -- partly because of your stock of tall sizes, partly because of your knowledgeable and active sales staff, and partly because of your presence around the country (I travel a great deal for work.) Sadly, that relationship may now have to end -- you have started to advertise on one of the most hurtful, inflammatory, and thought-free shows on television, and I cannot support any company who gives Glenn Beck of Fox "News" even one advertising dollar. Please tell me this was an aberration and will be corrected. Thank you.

This is starting turning into a god damn game to see who can get the most sponsors to drop Glenn Beck. :toofunny:

And for the Cheese ad thing, this is the release that guy got, dunno what he sent.

We deeply appreciate your reaching out to us and sharing your comments and concerns about Sargento ads appearing during “The Glenn Beck Show.” We sat down with the marketing department to talk about it and I learned that we buy time periods not specific programs. But in any event, they’ve made the decision to exclude that program from our future ad rotation. Simply stated, Sargento ads won’t be airing during that show. Again, thanks for contacting us.

So, to summarize he's been dropped by GEICO, Lawyers.com, Progressive Insurance, Procter & Gamble, SC Johnson, Men's Warehouse, and Sargento Cheese. Not sure what he has left honestly... Besides Cash4Gold. I do remember seeing that on his show before.

Preacher
08-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Really? When I was in my 20s, I had GEICO for a time and dropped them for Farmers as GEICO seemed to be one of the more expensive insurers out there. :noidea:

Back a few years when I was writing insurance for Travelers, we sat in a call-center and took leveraged calls from Citi-bank CC company.

For the most part, we found State Farm and Farmers to be pretty dang good, though we beat them at times. Geico was the same, but they were a cheap company. We could often get people to switch based on quality of service.

That isn't always true though. StateFarm and Farmers are local, and in someplaces, are quite a bit higher (New York was hilarious).

tony hipchest
08-11-2009, 09:53 PM
i gotta give it to glen...

he is the proudest alcoholic i have ever seen. :alcoholic:

dude needs tommy johns surgery from tipping the bottle back so much.

he consults carson palmer and john smoltz on rehab tips.

he still cant tell what is better- a "bottle in front of me" or a frontal labotomy.

7SteelGal43
08-11-2009, 10:32 PM
What do GEICO, Lawyers.com, Progressive Insurance, Procter & Gamble, SC Johnson, Men's Warehouse, and Sargento Cheese have in common ?

They've all just dropped advertising on one of the most watched shows in it's time slot.

7SteelGal43
08-11-2009, 10:33 PM
he still cant tell what is better- a "bottle in front of me" or a frontal labotomy.

Maybe you could help him out, tony. You've had both, right ? :wink02:

tony hipchest
08-11-2009, 10:35 PM
:yawn: next.

glen dont need any help being an idiot dickwad. atleast oreilly is understandable and provides some sort of entertainment.

7SteelGal43
08-11-2009, 10:39 PM
:yawn: next.

glen dont need any help being an idiot dickwad. atleast oreilly is understandable and provides some sort of entertainment.

yeah, don't lose that sense of humor, 'tone joke'...it's a killer :wave:

tony hipchest
08-12-2009, 12:39 AM
yeah, don't lose that sense of humor, 'tone joke'...it's a killer :wave:i knew it was a joke. i just thought it fell flat. on a scale of-

:thumbsup:...:noidea:... ..:toofunny:......:yawn:......:chuckle:....


it just so happened to receive a :yawn:

:hunch:

Preacher
08-12-2009, 03:05 AM
i knew it was a joke. i just thought it fell flat. on a scale of-

:thumbsup:...:noidea:... ..:toofunny:......:yawn:......:chuckle:....


it just so happened to receive a :yawn:

:hunch:


About like a joke concerning someone's recovery... right?

J Dogg
08-12-2009, 06:24 AM
About like a joke concerning someone's recovery... right?

You're wasting your time. This is Tony in his element.

Dino 6 Rings
08-12-2009, 07:24 AM
I don't watch Glenn Beck...or Fox News really...but anything that gets that stupid lizard off the TV I'm a fan of.

What's funny, if I had a company that someone said they were going to boycott, you know what I'd do, I'd say "Send me a receipt from your latest purchase then we'll consider your boycott" Because flat out Men's Warehouse is Expensive as Hell. I highly doubt that one person who happens to earn enough money to shop there is really going to bother boycotting one of the best clothing stores around. What's he going to do now? Shop at Penny's instead.

I call BULLLSHIIITTT on the Men's Warehouse Boycott. The people "boycotting" Men's warehouse aren't shopping at Men's warehouse.

revefsreleets
08-12-2009, 07:31 AM
I'm basing this off the standard conservative talk show demo...I work in that format on radio, and I can't imagine my audience being much different than Beck's.

Dino is right...this boils down to hard dollars and cents. Colorofchange.com frequenters are not also shopping at Men's Warehouse.

Finally, concerning liberal radio, it's simply failed because even in places where they CAN gain a toe-hold of listenership, they bash business too much, and business pays the bills...they literally bite the hand that would feed them. Trying to say that liberal's frequent the internet more than conservatives, well, to be kind, I'm gonna say that's just a ridiculous notion...

Dino 6 Rings
08-12-2009, 07:35 AM
Oh and for the record...there's Nothing wrong with shopping at Penny's...I have quite a few nice shirts from there. Just saying, my Suit and other slacks are from Men's Warehouse and they are of a much higher quality.

KeiselPower99
08-12-2009, 12:58 PM
Companies pulled from Michael Savage a few years ago and he is still doing fine. For every company that pulls out 3 more will bid for that time. I hate that damn lizard anyway.

J Dogg
08-12-2009, 01:09 PM
I can't stand Glenn Beck. There's really nothing to like about him. From his stupid and outlandish statements to that fake smile of his, the guy just screams d-bag. Plus this is the guy who slammed the Pirates of the Carribean movies because they were based on a ride as Disneyland.

But with that said, he will be fine. Even if he ends up in Ifo Wars territory, he'll still be making a better living than the average America.

fansince'76
08-12-2009, 01:17 PM
I don't watch Glenn Beck...or Fox News really...but anything that gets that stupid lizard off the TV I'm a fan of.

I hate that damn lizard anyway.

http://jutiagroup.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/gekko-geico.jpg

I'm insulted! Ya bloody wankers!

:chuckle:

revefsreleets
08-12-2009, 01:19 PM
By the way, I have probably spent less than 10 minutes of my entire life listening to Beck.

KeiselPower99
08-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Speaking of which when did that damn thing get a english accent?

revefsreleets
08-12-2009, 01:32 PM
It always did...at first it was a proper English accent, but people hated it, so they gave it a coc kney accent and it became a big hit...no idea why...

J Dogg
08-12-2009, 01:48 PM
It always did...at first it was a proper English accent, but people hated it, so they gave it a coc kney accent and it became a big hit...no idea why...

Americans love the co ckney accent. It explains the success of Guy Ritchie.

Vincent
08-12-2009, 02:20 PM
Americans love the co ckney accent. It explains the success of Guy Ritchie.

D'ye lake dags? http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes5/Snatch7.jpeg

Do you suppose Beck's reportage that GE cooked their books ala Enron, and the subsequent fine of $50M that GE paid to the feds had anything to do with them canceling? No, no. I don't either. It must have been all the concerned citizens complaining about that racist homophobe and all the bad stuff he said.:toofunny::rofl::toofunny::rofl::toofunny

SteelTalons
08-12-2009, 04:18 PM
MORE ADVERTISERS DROPPING BECK!

Now its State Farm.

"Dear Steve,

Thank you for your recent e-mail concerning State Farm’s advertising on the Fox network.

We have a policy of not advertising on political or opinion programming. We have corrected this issue and have taken steps to make sure it does not happen again.

Understanding our millions of customers and thousands of associates hold a full spectrum of views on political issues, State Farm has a long-standing practice of not advertising in political discussion programming regardless of a program’s political point of view.

Because of the recent situation, State Farm is now evaluating its commercial placement practices to ensure its political issues advertising guidelines are maintained.

Thank you for your e-mail.

Sincerely,

Jairon L. Wills

Executive Customer Service Supervisor

State Farm Insurance "


The email sent by the guy is as follows:

It has recently come to my attention that State Farm is a corporate sponsor for the Glenn Beck show. The past few months have shown this man to be knowingly stoking the flames of violence through hate speech, deceit, and demagoguery. He has called our president a 'racist', made jokes about poisoning Speaker Pelosi, and has used such violent language as 'driving a stake through their heart'. Several of his sponsors, including Progressive Insurance and Proctor and Gamble, have pulled their advertisements from his program in response to these remarks. I respectfully ask that State Farm Insurance seriously reconsider their corporate sponsorship of the Glenn Beck program. I strongly believe that this hate speech is not something with which your company would like to be associated. Choosing to remove your sponsorship would make a strong statement that State Farm does not endorse such actions against our elected officials. Thank you.

I wonder who's next?

JackHammer
08-12-2009, 05:14 PM
So what's his latest conspiracy theory? Obama health care = Nazi Eugenics. He's off the f**king rocker :rofl::rofl:

7SteelGal43
08-12-2009, 06:33 PM
Let's see. GEICO pulls it's advertising from the Glenn Beck program. I wonder exactly how I should respond to this news.

1. Gee, maybe I should sit down and completely rethink my entire political philosphy. :tap:


2. O M G, THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AS WE KNOW IT IS DOOOOOMED :willy:


3. :yawn:



Here's another important news flash. The elastic on my undies is worn out. Might wanna alert the media.

7SteelGal43
08-12-2009, 06:47 PM
So what's his latest conspiracy theory? Obama health care = Nazi Eugenics. He's off the f**king rocker :rofl::rofl:


DId you hear Nancy Pelosis latest conspiracy theory? She thinks that Hitler is still alive. It's true. I swear. I heard her say the word "swastika" myself.

JackHammer
08-13-2009, 05:28 AM
DId you hear Nancy Pelosis latest conspiracy theory? She thinks that Hitler is still alive. It's true. I swear. I heard her say the word "swastika" myself.

:rofl: I gotta find that. Her voice makes the crap she says even funnier than it really is. Off to youtube for a while.........

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:GlX28xlp62YfqM:http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/zombie-pelosi.jpg

KeiselPower99
08-13-2009, 08:42 AM
D'ye lake dags? http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes5/Snatch7.jpeg

Do you suppose Beck's reportage that GE cooked their books ala Enron, and the subsequent fine of $50M that GE paid to the feds had anything to do with them canceling? No, no. I don't either. It must have been all the concerned citizens complaining about that racist homophobe and all the bad stuff he said.:toofunny::rofl::toofunny::rofl::toofunny

I love that movie. Beck isnt the only one reporting the GE Enron connection.

revefsreleets
08-13-2009, 09:33 AM
Ahhhhh...I think I know what is happening here. I think a lot of these advertisers weren't buying the show per se, but were buying the station. We have news piped into our station at the top of every hour and it comes loaded with it's own ads. This would explain why people keep saying "We don't advertise in opinion oriented shows"...because they don't and were not aware that they were being piped into the canned news.

Also, these are buy's that companies make called ROS (run of station) where they are inserted according to inventory avails, and these are usually very broad dayparts (like 6A-12M M-Sun). Naturally a few would sneak into Beck here and there, especially if it's done by computer like ours are...

If this is the case, sponsors were probably unaware they were even in this show (and some, again, like GEICO probably don't really "fit" anyway) and had it brought to their attention by this incident.

Regardless, these kinds of boycott's usually only hurt the sponsors, because people don't bother boycotting shows that nobody listens to, and if the show has a lot of listeners than the advertisers SHOULD be advertising on the shows.

Finally, as it has been pointed out, this is a "15 minutes" type thing, and Beck will just sell those spots to other clients. The left gets to thump their collective chests for a few minutes with a Pyrrhic victory against free speech, i guess, but that's about all...

St33lersguy
08-15-2009, 08:43 PM
I doubt that a few lost sponsors will stop Glenn from his reporting. colorofchange.org is probably just a liberal site full of crap anyway.

hindes204
08-15-2009, 10:02 PM
It doesnt matter how many sponsors pull thier adds from Becks show, its still going to be a massive hit...there is a plethora of advertisers waiting around for oppurtunities to be heard during a show like his.........and i think its an entertaining show

hindes204
08-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Ratings for Thursday, Aug 14

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)

Glenn Beck– 2,411,000 viewers (662,000) (1,197,000)
Situation Room—770,000 viewers (157,000) (298,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—425,000 viewers (108,000) (235,000)
Fast Money—230,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 47,000) (98,000)
Prime News–359,000 viewers (185,000) (226,000)



losing these sponsors will not hurt his feelings at all

The Patriot
08-16-2009, 02:08 AM
Ratings for Thursday, Aug 14

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)

Glenn Beck– 2,411,000 viewers (662,000) (1,197,000)
Situation Room—770,000 viewers (157,000) (298,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—425,000 viewers (108,000) (235,000)
Fast Money—230,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 47,000) (98,000)
Prime News–359,000 viewers (185,000) (226,000)



losing these sponsors will not hurt his feelings at all

Wow, a person acting ridiculous on television is getting high ratings. Now I have seen it all.

Preacher
08-16-2009, 02:20 AM
Wow, a person acting ridiculous on television is getting high ratings. Now I have seen it all.

Then explain Chris Matthews show? He is acting ridiculous and is NOT getting high ratings.

MACH1
08-16-2009, 02:32 AM
Wow, a person acting ridiculous on television is getting high ratings. Now I have seen it all.

Wow, somebody on TV not swinging from the obaaaama nut sack.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
08-16-2009, 02:54 AM
Some other company will gladly buy that air time. Beck's program is a huge draw.

Its a joke, and the bad thing is...there are people out there who listen to what this idiot has to say and believes him....and bases their decisions on the false information/ lies that he feeds... He should be held accountable for his actions and the lies he says on his shows... They effect everyone, :doh:

The Patriot
08-16-2009, 03:15 AM
Then explain Chris Matthews show? He is acting ridiculous and is NOT getting high ratings.

Chris Matthews doesn't spontaneously climb up onto his desk and start circling cartoons on a chalkboard while waving his arms around enthusiastically.

And when they show a video clip, a little box of Chris Matthews doesn't appear in the corner with Chris Matthews making funny facial expressions.

revefsreleets
08-16-2009, 06:52 AM
I see VERY little difference between the two...so I take the pragmatic view and ignore both.

But holding boycott's almost always backfires...

HometownGal
08-16-2009, 07:24 AM
i gotta give it to glen...

he is the proudest alcoholic i have ever seen. :alcoholic:



Beck may be a proud alkie, but Joe Biden is just a dumb drunk . . .

NmRXH7RkCZQ

43Hitman
08-16-2009, 07:46 AM
Its a joke, and the bad thing is...there are people out there who listen to what this idiot has to say and believes him....and bases their decisions on the false information/ lies that he feeds... He should be held accountable for his actions and the lies he says on his shows... They effect everyone, :doh:

So should the White House..How's the Kool-Aid taste this weekend?

HometownGal
08-16-2009, 08:21 AM
Its a joke, and the bad thing is...there are people out there who listen to what this idiot has to say and believes him....and bases their decisions on the false information/ lies that he feeds... He should be held accountable for his actions and the lies... They effect everyone, :doh:

Word of the day: Irony.

You just described the Obaaaaama administration to a T! :drink:

http://www.barackobamawebpage.com/images/obama_liar.gif

Pittsky
08-16-2009, 09:24 AM
i will never buy geico just because i hate their stupid commercials...the gecko isnt even remotely funny...they actually over-advertise..its annoying as *$&%

Godfather
08-16-2009, 09:30 AM
It's too bad, though, when companies kowtow to fringy elements over freedom of speech issues (think: CBS firing Imus over that flap about nothing because Al and Jesse were upset). It's a weird dichotomy where the left, who is supposed to be the biggest supporters of free speech, are the one's who are always telling others how to act, who can do this and that, what's acceptable and what's not.


Two problems with that:

1) Both sides do it. Remember the Southern Baptists boycotting Disney because it gave benefits to same-sex domestic partners? Or conservatives demanding that country music stations not play the Dixie Chicks?

2) Freedom of speech applies only to the government. Glenn Beck has the right to say whatever he wants about Obama (other than an assassination threat). People who don't like it have the right to boycott his sponsors. His sponsors have the right to keep buying ad time or avoid the controversy. I don't have a problem with any of it.

revefsreleets
08-16-2009, 01:51 PM
1) I said boycotting never works...and it backfired when the right tried it.
2) Color of Change is trying to shut Beck's show down...the left is always for freedom of speech as long as it's speech they endorse. The ACLU IS an exception...they'll take up any cause, even a super far right one....

CantStop85
08-18-2009, 09:34 AM
8 more companies have pulled their advertising from the Glenn Beck show, including Wal-Mart, Best Buy, CVS, and Travelocity:

Cross-posted at Jack and Jill Politics, Firedoglake, and Daily Kos.

Big news today. We've confirmed that eight more major advertisers have pulled their support from Glenn Beck's show -- Wal-Mart, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank, Broadview Security, and Re-Bath.

Overall, twenty advertisers have now ended their support of Beck. We're going to keep the pressure on Beck's remaining advertisers this week, and we'll let you know how you can help.

From the press release we're sending right now:

Eight more Glenn Beck advertisers, including Wal-Mart -- the world's largest retailer -- have confirmed to ColorOfChange.org that they pulled their ads from the controversial Fox News Channel broadcaster's eponymous show. Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), Best Buy, Broadview Security, CVS, Re-Bath, Travelocity and Wal-Mart join the dozen other companies who previously distanced themselves from Beck.

Twenty companies have pulled their ads from Beck's show in just the last two weeks. The moves come after the Fox News host called President Obama a "racist" who "has a deep-seated hatred for white people" during an appearance on Fox & Friends. Previous companies who pulled their ads include ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men's Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, and State Farm Insurance.

"We are heartened to see so many corporate citizens step up in support of our campaign against Glenn Beck," said James Rucker, executive director of ColorOfChange.org. "Their action sends a clear a message to Glenn Beck: Broadcasters shouldn't abuse the privilege they enjoy by spewing dangerous and racially charged hate language over the air. No matter their political affiliation, hate language doesn't belong in our national dialogue."

"Walmart [sic] today confirmed the retailer pulled ads from the Glenn Beck show on August 3rd," said David Tovar, a spokesperson for Wal-Mart, in an email to ColorOfChange.org.

"While advertising on Fox is part of our communication plan, we had not requested time on Glenn Beck's show specifically," said Carolyn Castel, Vice President of Corporate Communications for CVS Caremark, in an email to ColorOfChange.org. "We have instructed our advertising agency to inform Fox to ensure Glenn Beck's program is not part of our advertising plan."

"Our position is simple," Castel continued. "We support vigorous debate, especially around policy issues that affect millions of Americans, but we expect it to be informed, inclusive and respectful, in keeping with our company's core values and commitment to diversity."

In an email exchange with ColorOfChange.org, Lisa Svac Hawks, Director of Public Relations for Best Buy, stated that any advertisements for Best Buy that were placed on Glenn Beck's show were done so in error. Svac Hawks pledged that Best Buy will correct any mistakes made.

"We did not specifically place our ad on the show," said Amanda Borichevsky, a spokesperson for Travelocity in an email to ColorOfChange.org. "We buy ads in bulk and then they are placed somewhat randomly. However, we have now specifically asked that our ads do not appear during this show."

"We reviewed our commercial schedule, and based on your feedback, we've put any programming featuring Glenn Beck on our "do not air" list," said Aziz Mottiwala, Senior Marketing Manager for Allergan, in an email to ColorOfChange.org. "This means that you will no longer see any Restasis ads during programming featuring Glenn Beck. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention."

"Ally advertises on a broad spectrum of programs to reach our potential customers," said a Customer Care Representative for Ally Bank. "Our advertising is not an endorsement of editorial content on any program. We have ceased to advertise on the Glenn Beck program."

In a phone conversation with Dwayne Sigler, Senior Vice President of Marketing for Broadview Security Systems, Sigler told ColorOfChange.org that Broadview's advertising is bought based on network, not particular programs, but that "given the considerations, we have requested of Fox News not to include us in the rotation that would have our commercials running on Glenn Beck's show."

"...We are no longer airing our commercials on the Glenn Beck Show..." said Mary Beth Mayer, spokesperson for Re-Bath, in a phone message to ColorOfChange.org.

As the list of advertisers who don't want themselves associated with Beck continues to grow, our campaign is also getting major media attention, which helps send a strong message to Fox and to Beck's remaining advertisers. Last week, our campaign was mentioned in several media and advertising industry publications, on MSNBC, in the New York Times, and by Stephen Colbert.

Thanks to everyone who has stepped up and joined this campaign (there are more than 145,000 of you now) -- this wouldn't be possible without your voice. What we've achieved so far is incredible -- it's rare for a campaign directed at a TV show's advertisers to be this successful.

But we won't stop here. We're going to continue reaching out to Beck's remaining advertisers, and we'll keep you informed on how you can help us escalate the pressure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/wal-mart-cvs-best-buy-dit_b_261424.html

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 09:39 AM
Again, the language I'm hearing over and over again is that a lot of these sponsors were on Fox, but NOT specifically part of Beck's show. They were probably all on a broad-based ROS buy and kowtowed to this color of change to be PC.

Whatever. Obama still has a lot of support in spite of his inability to properly run the country...

KeiselPower99
08-18-2009, 09:48 AM
Beck supported WalMart through all the BS they have went through. They can pull their ads all they want when ya look at his numbers there is gonna be plenty of companies that will jump on that.

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 10:06 AM
I also question their buy...Wal-Mart in the Glen Beck show? Why are they advertising there? That is NOT their demo...

There's still something rotten in Denmark about all this...a bunch of these advertisers are, quite simply, not in a show that's going to do them much good.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 10:07 AM
1) I said boycotting never works...and it backfired when the right tried it.
2) Color of Change is trying to shut Beck's show down...the left is always for freedom of speech as long as it's speech they endorse. The ACLU IS an exception...they'll take up any cause, even a super far right one....


Unless your a high school athletic director who - at the principals request - said grace over a meal at a booster club meeting.

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 10:09 AM
Unless your a high school athletic director who - at the principals request - said grace over a meal at a booster club meeting.
They took up the cause of Fred Phelps Westboro Church, the wacko's protesting soldiers funerals.

Not a fan of the ACLU, but they do seem to be all about the free speech...prayer in school is a different story.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 10:13 AM
I have a question for SteelTalons and CantStop.

What exaclty is any of this is supposed to prove? I just don't get the point.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 10:20 AM
They took up the cause of Fred Phelps Westboro Church, the wacko's protesting soldiers funerals.

Not a fan of the ACLU, but they do seem to be all about the free speech...prayer in school is a different story.

They'll defend an extremist churchs right to hold up signs along the route of a fallen soldiers funeral procession that say "Thank God for dead soldiers" , but sue a man for simply saying grace over a meal in a high school.

That's all I need to know about the ACLU.

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 10:26 AM
They are a necessary evil, and you actually addressed your own statement: Saying grace is NOT freedom of speech, it's a separation of church and state issue. Apples and oranges.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 10:50 AM
They are a necessary evil, and you actually addressed your own statement: Saying grace is NOT freedom of speech, it's a separation of church and state issue. Apples and oranges.

Well, I'm just not a big fan of the ACLU. I think they're a little to much like an activist group. As I've said in previous posts, Seperation of Church and State is a principal I believe in. But it comes down to simple freakin common sense and decency.

rev, which do you think you'd be more hurt by.....being an agnostic or even an athiest and hearing "grace" being said over a meal or being on the way to your sons funeral and having 20 to 30 signs in your face celebrating the fact that your son is dead ?

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 11:12 AM
Being "hurt" isn't the issue. I don't agree with the ACLU's stance on Westboro...what they do is danger close to inciting a riot. But I do think that they serve a purpose and have, on occasion, contributed enough to justify their existence.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Being "hurt" isn't the issue. I don't agree with the ACLU's stance on Westboro...what they do is danger close to inciting a riot. But I do think that they serve a purpose and have, on occasion, contributed enough to justify their existence.

:banging:

Dino 6 Rings
08-18-2009, 11:54 AM
I'm pretty sure I called BULLSHIIIIT on this whole thing...and now...

"We all know about the statements on Fox and Friends by Glenn Beck that have caused such a stir. And we know about the subsequent Glen Beck boycott that has taken place since then, the result of which is several sponsors switching time slots on Fox News. What is just starting to surface is a bit more sinister. It appears that the group Color of Change, founded by Van Jones an Obama czar may be behind the boycott."

Van Jones a self proclaimed communist who was appointed Green Jobs Czar in March is the founder of Color of Change. The group has applied pressure to Glenn Beck’s sponsors; it seems to have worked for the time being. Progressive Insurance, Geico, and Proctor and Gamble have all pulled ads from Glenn Becks time slot on the Fox News channel.


A Fox News spokesperson said the ads have only been moved, stating that no revenue has been lost in the Glenn Beck boycott by Color of Change. Color of Change says that it is using it’s over 600,000 members to petition Beck sponsors to pull ads. Could this have anything to do with Glenn Beck releasing information several weeks ago about the group’s founder Van Jones?

The left-wing nutroots have seemingly dealt a blow to Glenn Beck on this one; but just how far will a Glenn Beck boycott take them? RedState.com has tried to employ the tactic of a counter boycott here, giving info on the companies who are currently allowing the left to bully them into dropping Glenn Beck.

Newsmax is reporting that Executive Director of Color of Change James Rucker made it abundantly clear that their goal is to silence Glenn Beck, period. From Newsmax:

“It’s preposterous and absurd,” Rucker says of Beck’s opinion. “It’s insulting to black Americans; and it corrupts honest debate. Anyone who uses such a platform to spew such vitriol, whether Glenn Beck or anyone else, has no place on the air, and we at Color Of Change would use every resource available to us to remove corporate sponsorship from their platform.”
Do what you think is best, I’ve never been a proponent of boycotts; that’s more of a left-wing thing. If I like your product I’ll buy it, if not I won’t. If you feel so inclined drop a letter to these sponsors and tell them there may be a backlash due to the Glenn Beck boycott; if not attack it how you see fit. One way or another, the left-wing fascists need to know we won’t be bullied into silence.

The Glenn Beck boycott has been effective, but we need Glenn Beck’s voice; he speaks the truth. And truth is at a premium these days."

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4610

revefsreleets
08-18-2009, 11:57 AM
"Silence Beck".

THAT'S a big problem...Obamie's doing a heckuva job though, right?

Dino 6 Rings
08-18-2009, 12:00 PM
"Silence Beck".

THAT'S a big problem...Obamie's doing a heckuva job though, right?

Chicago Politics at its Finest.

But the only ones surprised by that are the ones that voted for the guy. I'm not surprised or shocked at it in any way. Saw this coming a year ago.

KeiselPower99
08-18-2009, 12:01 PM
I'm pretty sure I called BULLSHIIIIT on this whole thing...and now...

"We all know about the statements on Fox and Friends by Glenn Beck that have caused such a stir. And we know about the subsequent Glen Beck boycott that has taken place since then, the result of which is several sponsors switching time slots on Fox News. What is just starting to surface is a bit more sinister. It appears that the group Color of Change, founded by Van Jones an Obama czar may be behind the boycott."

Van Jones a self proclaimed communist who was appointed Green Jobs Czar in March is the founder of Color of Change. The group has applied pressure to Glenn Beck’s sponsors; it seems to have worked for the time being. Progressive Insurance, Geico, and Proctor and Gamble have all pulled ads from Glenn Becks time slot on the Fox News channel.


A Fox News spokesperson said the ads have only been moved, stating that no revenue has been lost in the Glenn Beck boycott by Color of Change. Color of Change says that it is using it’s over 600,000 members to petition Beck sponsors to pull ads. Could this have anything to do with Glenn Beck releasing information several weeks ago about the group’s founder Van Jones?

The left-wing nutroots have seemingly dealt a blow to Glenn Beck on this one; but just how far will a Glenn Beck boycott take them? RedState.com has tried to employ the tactic of a counter boycott here, giving info on the companies who are currently allowing the left to bully them into dropping Glenn Beck.

Newsmax is reporting that Executive Director of Color of Change James Rucker made it abundantly clear that their goal is to silence Glenn Beck, period. From Newsmax:

“It’s preposterous and absurd,” Rucker says of Beck’s opinion. “It’s insulting to black Americans; and it corrupts honest debate. Anyone who uses such a platform to spew such vitriol, whether Glenn Beck or anyone else, has no place on the air, and we at Color Of Change would use every resource available to us to remove corporate sponsorship from their platform.”
Do what you think is best, I’ve never been a proponent of boycotts; that’s more of a left-wing thing. If I like your product I’ll buy it, if not I won’t. If you feel so inclined drop a letter to these sponsors and tell them there may be a backlash due to the Glenn Beck boycott; if not attack it how you see fit. One way or another, the left-wing fascists need to know we won’t be bullied into silence.

The Glenn Beck boycott has been effective, but we need Glenn Beck’s voice; he speaks the truth. And truth is at a premium these days."

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4610

Not a shock there. Anything to shut out the opposition.

CantStop85
08-18-2009, 12:54 PM
I have a question for SteelTalons and CantStop.

What exaclty is any of this is supposed to prove? I just don't get the point.

:noidea: I'm not trying to prove anything. I just passed along some news that was relevant to the thread. Frankly I don't really care about it either way...I hate Glenn Beck and Wal-Mart. :chuckle:

And yeah, I'm all for freedom of speech...but Westboro Baptist Church should be burnt to the ground with the whole Phelps family inside. Actually, you can spare Fred Phelps...I would like to see him picket his own family's funeral.

7SteelGal43
08-18-2009, 02:36 PM
:noidea: I'm not trying to prove anything. I just passed along some news that was relevant to the thread. Frankly I don't really care about it either way...I hate Glenn Beck and Wal-Mart. :chuckle:

And yeah, I'm all for freedom of speech...but Westboro Baptist Church should be burnt to the ground with the whole Phelps family inside. Actually, you can spare Fred Phelps...I would like to see him picket his own family's funeral.

Well, thank you for seeing how dispicable Westboro and Phelps are. Good thing you aren't one of those evil, "mean spirited" conservative who would wish physical harm to the Phelps family.

As for this thread, I wasn't sure if SteelTalons was trying to say we may be seeing an end of Glenn Beck, conservative tv/talk radio in general or if that was his way of saying "na nanny boo boo". :noidea:

St33lersguy
08-20-2009, 03:05 PM
It will take a lot to silence Beck. Colorofchange has to do a lot more to silence.
I personally like his show because a. he sees connection very few see and present and b. his show is fun to see, he doesn't say the news in a boring monotone voice

revefsreleets
08-20-2009, 03:41 PM
Color of change is a self-defeating organization and it begins with the silly name...it's like calling your organization "Blacks for racial blindness" or "Seal Clubbers for PETA".

The self-imposed dichotomy creates so much irony for this organization that it automatically wrecks any good intentions it MAY have by wrapping an albatross of absurdity around it's own neck...

Dino 6 Rings
08-21-2009, 12:00 PM
The self-imposed dichotomy creates so much irony for this organization that it automatically wrecks any good intentions it MAY have by wrapping an albatross of absurdity around it's own neck...

Yeah...what he said!!! :applaudit:

revefsreleets
08-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah...what he said!!! :applaudit:

That MAY have been a bit of subconscious response to being called a stupid asshole by a noob on the football side...but maybe not...:flap:

KeiselPower99
08-23-2009, 09:40 AM
On a side note Becks most recent book Common Sense is a good read. He takes the spirit of Thomas Paynes and applys it to the current times. I found it at KMart yesterday right next to Obamas book. Thought that was interesting.

The Patriot
08-28-2009, 02:01 PM
Okay, Beck has lost his mind.


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revefsreleets
08-28-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, that was kind of odd...I get the feeling that when Beck reveals "where we can go" to get answers, I'm gonna feel a lot like Ralphie in a Christmas Story when he discovers that his Little Orphan Annie secret decoder rings reveals only " a lousy commercial"...

MACH1
08-28-2009, 03:26 PM
So what do you think about the Civilian Civil Defense thing. Being forced to serve in it if your between the ages of 18-25 for three months. Or if you received financial aid for college to spend 10 years in it to repay your debt to the government.
And yes, like Beck I would like to know who the enemy is to fund and equip as well as the military. Why, What for?

The Patriot
08-28-2009, 04:07 PM
So what do you think about the Civilian Civil Defense thing. Being forced to serve in it if your between the ages of 18-25 for three months. Or if you received financial aid for college to spend 10 years in it to repay your debt to the government.
And yes, like Beck I would like to know who the enemy is to fund and equip as well as the military. Why, What for?

If Obama proposed that then I strongly oppose it. But I don't know, I've been away from the news for awhile.

MACH1
08-28-2009, 05:06 PM
If Obama proposed that then I strongly oppose it. But I don't know, I've been away from the news for awhile.

If this doesn’t scare the hell out of every American that hears this guy, I really don’t know what will.

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A newly rediscovered 2006 audio clip has shed more light on Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama’s plan for compulsory community service and a “national civilian security force”. In an interview with Ben Smith of the New York Daily News, Emanuel outlined the agenda for military-style training, essentially a domestic draft, aimed at preparing Americans for a chemical or biological terrorist attack.

Asked by Smith about the universal service plan and whether people would have to live in military barracks, Emanuel laughed before responding, “We’re going to have universal civil defense training, somewhere between the ages of 18 to 25 you will do three months of training….but there can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint similar experience of what we call civil defense training or civil service in service of the country, in preparation, which will give people a sense of what it means to be an American.”

In response to the point that the program was significantly expanded in comparison to what the U.S. government already has in place, Emanuel responded, “Guess what - we have a lot more challenges so we are going to need a lot to do it.”

What challenges is Emanuel referring to? The same crisis foretold by Joe Biden, Colin Powell and others that we are “guaranteed” will unfold shortly after Obama takes office?

“It will be a common experience and we will be prepared, God forbid, God forbid that there is a chemical hit, another terrorist act or natural disaster becoming more frequent - there’ll be a body of citizens who are ready and capable and trained - that’s all you have to think about,” said Emanuel before smugly declaring, “We’re all here for you OK? It’s a circle of love.”

Asked if the training would be military style, with people wearing uniforms, Emanuel stated, “If you’re worried about are you going to have to do 50 jumping jacks the answer is yes,” adding that the service could be done through state national guard.

A jumping jack is a military term for an exercise otherwise known as a star jump. What on earth does Emanuel mean when he says Americans are going to be forced to perform military-style physical exercises and what does this have to do with civil defense or preparing for a terrorist attack? It sounds more like the state-mandated physical workouts described in Orwell’s 1984.

The video then features a clip from C-Span from August 2006 in which Emanuel is asked whether the program will be compulsory, to which he responds, “In a sense it’s required of everybody, 18 to 25, three months, and at some point at that point you do it.”

The use of the word “required” is noteworthy, because this exact terminology was removed from Obama’s change.gov website when controversy over the program arose last week.

The militarized nature of the program and its supposed intention sounds more like a draft-lite than the “community service” angle now being pitched on Obama’s website. It also bears similarities to the nationwide FEMA-run program training pastors and preachers to act as “pacifiers” in the event of martial law being declared after a terror attack or a natural disaster.

Will the liberal left pay as much attention to Emanuel’s stated agenda to implement a proxy domestic draft as they did to rumors of Bush bringing back conscription, or will the true scope of Obama’s “national civilian security force” continue to fly under the radar?

Barack Obama and the Democrats have in mind for today’s young people. Compulsory, as in mandatory, obligatory, forced, required.

Can anyone say Gestapo or SS?

KeiselPower99
08-29-2009, 12:04 AM
So what do you think about the Civilian Civil Defense thing. Being forced to serve in it if your between the ages of 18-25 for three months. Or if you received financial aid for college to spend 10 years in it to repay your debt to the government.
And yes, like Beck I would like to know who the enemy is to fund and equip as well as the military. Why, What for?

Why do we need a civilian army? Say what you want about Beck I think everything he brought up this week was very important. And the fact the White House hasnt denied any of the facts makes me even more worried.

revefsreleets
08-29-2009, 01:29 PM
This is what we get (if this is real) for electing a guy with no experience that we knew nothing about...

SteelTalons
08-29-2009, 01:44 PM
Okay, Beck has lost his mind.


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I figured that out a long time ago... :laughing:

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MACH1
08-29-2009, 05:36 PM
This is what we get (if this is real) for electing a guy with no experience that we knew nothing about...


Its real, very real!!

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The Patriot
08-29-2009, 07:48 PM
Its real, very real!!

_fO-usAlqak

Wow, advocating a civilian national security force over a military one is tyranny at its core. If Obama created the boy scouts you'd call it the Hitler Youth. This irrational fear is getting old. America has been changing since the beginning, and there have been nay-sayers kicking and screaming the whole way.

7SteelGal43
08-30-2009, 02:06 AM
Wow, advocating a civilian national security force over a military one is tyranny at its core. If Obama created the boy scouts you'd call it the Hitler Youth. This irrational fear is getting old. America has been changing since the beginning, and there have been nay-sayers kicking and screaming the whole way.


The Boy Scouts isn't a government mandated 'service to country' organization. Rahm Emanuel's proposed civilian 'service to country' organization would be mandated and funded by the federal government. When I see pictures like the one I posted earlier of youth in the CIty Year program on the stage with the logo behind it, I'm reminded of Hitler's Germany and Communist China as they were implimenting socialism. They organized and basically brainwashed the youth into 'service to state'. Maybe it is just irrational fear, but I see similarites. And I'm sure people in Germany and China thought it was just irrational fear and innocuous enough.

Wanna see what fascism looks like ? Watch the video below. It's not even three minutes long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bayNhJayn_U

MACH1
08-30-2009, 03:21 AM
Wow, advocating a civilian national security force over a military one is tyranny at its core. If Obama created the boy scouts you'd call it the Hitler Youth. This irrational fear is getting old. America has been changing since the beginning, and there have been nay-sayers kicking and screaming the whole way.

Since you seem to know all. Tell me who the enemy within is to warrant such an organization? You, me the general public? Why make it mandatory, the armed services are voluntary?

So you'll be the first in line for service no matter how much it disrupts your life? Oh wait its not voluntary.

How's that song go. "Welcome back to the U.S.S.R"

HometownGal
08-30-2009, 07:30 AM
If Obama created the boy scouts you'd call it the Hitler Youth.

If Obama invited his terrorist buddies to the White House and they shot up his entire staff and the population of D.C., you'd say he just had a lapse in judgment. :doh::banging:

This irrational fear is getting old.

What is getting old is you Obaaaaaaama Kool Aid slurping apologists who refuse to admit that the jackass you elected is way out of his league and isn't qualified or fit to be president of an 8th grade class, much less the most powerful nation in the world.

The Patriot
08-30-2009, 12:17 PM
Obama says:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as strong, just as powerful, just as well-funded."

To which the video responds:

"Is this the change America is looking for? A police state."


Nowhere does Obama say anything about a mandatory government service program. It was the cabinet member in the interview who advocated it, and he has a right to advocate whatever he wants in a free country. The great irony is that whenever you stomp on a person for having different ideas, you are in fact being the fascist.

I say your fear is irrational because it is. Stop pretending Obama was elected supreme leader of the earth. We still have a legislative and judiciary branch, and if Obama was really advocating your death panels and gestapo forces (which he's not) they could easily overbear him.

You want to talk about communistic government mandated programs? Let's look at the public school. Every citizen must pay for the public school system, and if they have children, they must either send them to the public school system, pay for a private school, or educate their children themselves. But, still, their children must take a government mandated test which assures that the children are learning what the government wants them to know.

MACH1
08-30-2009, 01:06 PM
Obama says:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as strong, just as powerful, just as well-funded."

To which the video responds:

"Is this the change America is looking for? A police state."


Nowhere does Obama say anything about a mandatory government service program. It was the cabinet member in the interview who advocated it, and he has a right to advocate whatever he wants in a free country. The great irony is that whenever you stomp on a person for having different ideas, you are in fact being the fascist.

I say your fear is irrational because it is. Stop pretending Obama was elected supreme leader of the earth. We still have a legislative and judiciary branch, and if Obama was really advocating your death panels and gestapo forces (which he's not) they could easily overbear him.

You want to talk about communistic government mandated programs? Let's look at the public school. Every citizen must pay for the public school system, and if they have children, they must either send them to the public school system, pay for a private school, or educate their children themselves. But, still, their children must take a government mandated test which assures that the children are learning what the government wants them to know.

It's time to pull your head out of the sand or the other dark place.

revefsreleets
08-31-2009, 10:41 AM
Any compulsory service is a bad idea. Emanuel is Obama's mouthpiece, and this is a serious piece of business, and definitely a legitimate concern...