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mesaSteeler
08-22-2009, 11:39 PM
Steelers lucky to have Batch
Sunday, August 23, 2009
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09235/992771-66.stm

LANDOVER, Md. -- It's still hard to say Ben Roethlisberger is the best quarterback in the NFL, that miracle drive to beat the Arizona Cardinals in Super Bowl XLIII and the Steelers' two world championships in the past four years notwithstanding. It's always going to be hard as long as the New England Patriots' Tom Brady is in his prime.

But this isn't the least bit difficult to opine:

The Steelers have the best set of quarterbacks in the league.

Go ahead, try naming a better pair than Roethlisberger and Charlie Batch.

I'm saying you can't do it.

I know I'll take Big Ben over any quarterback not named Brady. That's why it was so nice to see him laughing on the FedEx Field sideline last night, seemingly carefree, as he watched in sweats as the old Batch -- sorry, Charlie -- and young third-stringer Dennis Dixon lead the Steelers to a 10-3 halftime lead in what turned into a 17-13 exhibition loss to the Washington Redskins. The city of Pittsburgh was briefly in a panic Thursday afternoon when Roethlisberger went down late in the final training-camp practice at Saint Vincent College with some sort of right foot injury. But it's almost certainly a minor problem even if he did walk with a slight limp last night. The guess here is he would have played if it were the second regular-season game instead of the second exhibition game.

But even if Roethlisberger has to miss a game somewhere along the way this season, the world won't necessarily end. Batch is capable. He showed just a bit of that in his quarter-and-change work as the starter against the Redskins.

That is an incredible luxury for the Steelers.

Really, quarterbacks are so precious.

Did you happen to watch Redskins starter Jason Campbell? It's pretty obvious the Washington club isn't thrilled with him. It tried hard to trade for Denver's Jay Cutler in the offseason before he ended up with the Chicago Bears, then tried hard to trade up in the NFL draft to get Southern California's Mark Sanchez, who wound up with the New York Jets. The only surprise is it didn't try to beat the Minnesota Vikings to Brett Favre, speaking of another team that's really desperate for a quarterback.

Campbell was 1 for 7 for 10 yards last night.

No matter how much you appreciate the Steelers having Roethlisberger, I'm thinking it's not enough.

And Batch might be even more unappreciated in his backup -- yet extremely important -- role.

Batch's numbers last night -- 5 of 14 for 63 yards -- weren't all that impressive, but that was because of a predictable slow start. He played just five plays in the exhibition opener against the Cardinals Aug. 13 -- long enough to throw a 45-yard pass to wide receiver Limas Sweed -- which meant his playing time against the Redskins was his first serious action in more than a year. His collarbone was broken in the first exhibition game last season.

Batch was errant on five of his first six passes but looked better on the Steelers' nine-play, 50-yard scoring drive late in the first quarter. Wide receiver Santonio Holmes helped him out big time with a nice catch for a 16-yard gain, then wide receiver Hines Ward did the same by leaping to pull in a 24-yard reception. There was also a 10-yard pass to tight end Heath Miller.

Wouldn't the Redskins love to get that kind of production from Campbell?

Batch played one more series, which was aborted by what appeared to be a third-down drop by Sweed. All in all, it was a good night for a quarterback who is, as they say, just one play away from being the man.

Dixon played into the fourth quarter -- with so-so results -- before leaving with a right shoulder injury and going immediately to the locker room. There has been some speculation this summer that he might beat out Batch for the backup spot, hard to imagine even before his injury, the severity of which wasn't immediately known. The Steelers are a veteran team, one that appears to be more than qualified to take a big run at repeating as Super Bowl champs. In the unfortunate event of a Big Ben injury, coach Mike Tomlin isn't likely to turn over that type of club to an inexperienced, second-year player who still is trying to get his arms around the mental challenges of the pro game.

Batch has to be the guy.

The Steelers are very lucky to have him in their prized stable of quarterbacks.

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onefortheotherhand
08-22-2009, 11:48 PM
good read mesa

and yeah i really like batch because hes the quintessential veteran who will prolly retire to be a QB coach. He also went to EMU which is where im planning on going

Fire Haley
08-23-2009, 10:13 AM
Charlie might not last much longer

"OW!"

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/images/200908/dianasteelers0822a_330.jpg

Rotorhead
08-23-2009, 10:18 AM
Haha great photo there. I read somewhere that Dixon may actually be positioned as the #2 for Wildcat type stuff, but Batch would still be the one to come in in the event of an injury . . . not sure if being listed #2 or #3 changes when QB's can enter a game or not, but just thought I would add what I had read.

HometownGal
08-23-2009, 10:21 AM
Charlie is a great guy and teammate, is a very intelligent guy and is OK for a couple of drives here and there, imho, but beyond that, I'm just not comfortable with him behind center and I never have been. How I wish we could have found a way to keep Lefty (who had a really rough game last night). He fit the Steelers mold perfectly and I never had gremlins doing the jig in my stomach when Byron came into the game.

stillers4me
08-23-2009, 10:26 AM
Charlie is a great guy and teammate, is a very intelligent guy and is OK for a couple of drives here and there, imho, but beyond that, I'm just not comfortable with him behind center and I never have been. How I wish we could have found a way to keep Lefty (who had a really rough game last night). He fit the Steelers mold perfectly and I never had gremlins doing the jig in my stomach when Byron came into the game.

I totally agree with ya, HTG. But yet I'm still happy to have Charlie over many of the other #2 guys I've seen out there. I'd love to still have Byron, but people in Cincinnati want ice water, too. :chuckle:

HometownGal
08-23-2009, 11:59 AM
But yet I'm still happy to have Charlie over many of the other #2 guys I've seen out there.

I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree here me fellow Steelers babe. :drink: As a #3 mentor and input guy - yes. As the heir apparent to come into a game or have to fill in for Ben for multiple games - hell NO. I'd rather take my chances with Dixon.

Fire Haley
08-23-2009, 12:34 PM
Steelers | Dixon suffers shoulder injury Saturday

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:22:16 -0700

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Dennis Dixon (shoulder) suffered an AC joint injury to his right shoulder Saturday, Aug. 22. It depends on the degree of separation as to how much time Dixon might miss.

fansince'76
08-23-2009, 12:37 PM
Steelers | Dixon suffers shoulder injury Saturday

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:22:16 -0700

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Dennis Dixon (shoulder) suffered an AC joint injury to his right shoulder Saturday, Aug. 22. It depends on the degree of separation as to how much time Dixon might miss.

Jeez - what is it with our backup QBs and preseason? First Batch busts his collarbone in preseason last year and now this. :banging:

sharkweek
08-23-2009, 12:39 PM
I was pleased with the promise held from what Dixon did last year, and this year thus far I have only seen encouraging things. His mobility and athleticism bring a whole new dynamic to the position that opposing teams would have to prepare for whereas Batch, while capable, doesn't really bring anything but an unarguable downgrade from what Ben can offer.

Right now I think Batch is most useful for his experience and providing a second set of eyes, whereas for game time performance I would also trust risking Dixon more so than Batch.

I also don't like how the term "Wildcat" is thrown around far too often, as it is supposed to refer to specific offensive formation that implies direct snaps to RBs, usually with an unbalanced OL. Talk of using players like Vick and Dixon specifically in the Wildcat is a little silly, they're best utilized in a broader spectrum of gadget plays that exploits the dynamic threat of their ability to run AND pass. I think we're far more likely to see Dixon line up as a WR (or perhaps have Ben line as a WR and Dixon as QB) and be used in gadget plays much like how Randle El was sometimes used and Kordell when he was "Slash".

stillers4me
08-23-2009, 03:14 PM
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree here me fellow Steelers babe. :drink: As a #3 mentor and input guy - yes. As the heir apparent to come into a game or have to fill in for Ben for multiple games - hell NO. I'd rather take my chances with Dixon.

But yet I'm still happy to have Charlie over many of the other #2 guys I've seen out there.

I guess you didn't have to watch as many Bengals games as I did last year. Fitz was horrible. :chuckle:

HometownGal
08-23-2009, 05:01 PM
Steelers | Dixon suffers shoulder injury Saturday

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:22:16 -0700

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Dennis Dixon (shoulder) suffered an AC joint injury to his right shoulder Saturday, Aug. 22. It depends on the degree of separation as to how much time Dixon might miss.

WOW - this SUCKS!!! :banging: I hope the separation is a first degree separation which means Dixon will most likely only miss a week or two. If it's a third degree sep, he's looking at 4-6 weeks, maybe longer. :banging:

Byron hasn't yet won the starting job in Tampa - maybe we can trade Batch for him and get him back in the black 'n gold? :wink: :chuckle:

Thank God we're still in the preseason.

stillers4me
08-23-2009, 05:37 PM
This is the plan....Byron gets cut in Tampa and comes back to Pittsburgh and decides that being a career backup to Big Ben ain't such a bad gig. Charlie goes to #3 and retires next year and becomes a QB coach. Dixon is traded for a draft pick and next year we pick up a new #3 Qb.

Yep..that's the plan and you can thank me later. :chuckle:

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-23-2009, 05:43 PM
This is the plan....Byron gets cut in Tampa and comes back to Pittsburgh and decides that being a career backup to Big Ben ain't such a bad gig. Charlie goes to #3 and retires next year and becomes a QB coach. Dixon is traded for a draft pick and next year we pick up a new #3 Qb.

Yep..that's the plan and you can thank me later. :chuckle:

Hmmmmm...not a bad plan overall...of course you are missing the "Tom Brady laying on the field in pain" portion to totally sell me.

Yea, I know...it has nothing to do with the Steelers...But see what you can do. Okay?

HometownGal
08-23-2009, 05:45 PM
This is the plan....Byron gets cut in Tampa and comes back to Pittsburgh and decides that being a career backup to Big Ben ain't such a bad gig. Charlie goes to #3 and retires next year and becomes a QB coach. Dixon is traded for a draft pick and next year we pick up a new #3 Qb.

Yep..that's the plan and you can thank me later. :chuckle:

Me likey your plan if Batch can become an assistant coach with the Steelers, as I don't think the Steelers want Kenny Anderson going anywhere. :thumbsup:

As for Lefty - I think being a career backup to Ben far trumps being a career backup to McCown. :chuckle:

stillers4me
08-23-2009, 07:26 PM
Hmmmmm...not a bad plan overall...of course you are missing the "Tom Brady laying on the field in pain" portion to totally sell me.

Yea, I know...it has nothing to do with the Steelers...But see what you can do. Okay?

I can work that in. :sofunny:

sharkweek
08-23-2009, 11:16 PM
This is the plan....Byron gets cut in Tampa and comes back to Pittsburgh and decides that being a career backup to Big Ben ain't such a bad gig. Charlie goes to #3 and retires next year and becomes a QB coach. Dixon is traded for a draft pick and next year we pick up a new #3 Qb.

Yep..that's the plan and you can thank me later. :chuckle:

Its a decent plan but the problem is I'm becoming a bit fond of Dixon and think he could contribute more than being just a backup QB.

Although either instance involves a bit too much expectation and greed on our part, whether it be hold on to and hoard a developed Dixon or have Leftwich as a permanent backup :laughing:

Its too hard to keep good backups as there are too few decent starters; the decent backups will never sit in on place and be content (Leftwich) unless they're old and know their time is winding down and/or window has closed (Batch).

I dunno, I think our best bet is to hope Dixon continues to develop and falls in love with the Steeler system and ends up content, perhaps with some tangible game time contribution with gadget plays and other special circumstances where his dynamic athleticism could help the team more than him being just a backup QB.

steeltheone
08-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Batch is fine, but gets hurt way to often. Thats his major downfall. We have to have a vet backup. No and if's or buts. This is a SuperBowl roster. A rookie cannot lead us to the promise land. It's been proven time and time again. We might have to sign another vet before the season starts.

HometownGal
08-24-2009, 03:32 PM
I guess you didn't have to watch as many Bengals games as I did last year. Fitz was horrible. :chuckle:

If I lived in Shitsinnati as you do, Sue, I wouldn't watch ANY Bungles games. :flap: I'd rather watch reruns of Leave It To Beaver or some other puke fest if nothing else was on. :chuckle:

While I'm sure Fitzpatrick was awful in replacement of Cartoon, I would fear the same with Batch replacing Ben for any length of time. A series or two or even one game that we didn't absolutely need to win would be OK, but my manicured nails would be chomped down to the quick if he had to be relied upon to replace Ben for 3/4 of the season as Fitzpatrick was in subbing for Cartoon. :horror:

The guy can't be all bad - he boarded the first train out of Shitsinnati for Buffalo. Smart man. :applaudit:

sharkweek
08-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Batch is fine, but gets hurt way to often. Thats his major downfall. We have to have a vet backup. No and if's or buts. This is a SuperBowl roster. A rookie cannot lead us to the promise land. It's been proven time and time again. We might have to sign another vet before the season starts.

A rookie led us to the AFC championship game and a 15-1 regular season (the 1 loss was one he did not start). I'm sure I'm not fooling anyone in my referencing Ben, but Ben was an actual true rookie that season, Dixon already has a year under his belt to have adjusted (as part of a team that has already been to the promised land no less).

If Ben had the same "luxury" he might have had the endurance he so sorely lacked towards the end of his rookie season as he was still in "college mode" (this ultimately ended up as a loss to the Pats).

stillers4me
08-24-2009, 04:23 PM
If I lived in Shitsinnati as you do, Sue, I wouldn't watch ANY Bungles games. I'd rather watch reruns of Leave It To Beaver or some other puke fest if nothing else was on.

We watch Bengals games instead of Comedy Central. :chuckle:

HometownGal
08-24-2009, 04:51 PM
We watch Bengals games instead of Comedy Central. :chuckle:

:toofunny::rofl::laughing::thumbsup:

steeltheone
08-24-2009, 06:15 PM
A rookie led us to the AFC championship game and a 15-1 regular season (the 1 loss was one he did not start). I'm sure I'm not fooling anyone in my referencing Ben, but Ben was an actual true rookie that season, Dixon already has a year under his belt to have adjusted (as part of a team that has already been to the promised land no less).

If Ben had the same "luxury" he might have had the endurance he so sorely lacked towards the end of his rookie season as he was still in "college mode" (this ultimately ended up as a loss to the Pats).

Ok, I knew the rookie thing would come back to get me. Dixon is as green or greener than Ben ever was. He missed most of his senior season and has played a game of no meaning in over 2 years. I like the kid. But with our roster you need a vet with experience. Flacco and Big Ben proved this. Inexp is exposed in post season play. The PATS exposed BB and we exposed Flacco in AFC championships.Next year DD could be that backup. This year no.