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varmintjcl
08-23-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm glad I'm not a Cardnials fan!!!

http://www.abc15.com/content/sports/cardinals/story/Cardinals-fans-upset-with-changes-to-tailgating/dRD0zgxqZEqMxJ3eLoyfPA.cspx

fansince'76
08-23-2009, 10:10 PM
Doesn't matter - most of that bandwagon will be clearing out en masse when it becomes apparent that last year was a fluke and they start to suck again anyway.

NEPAsteeler
08-23-2009, 10:48 PM
Wait......... the Cardinals have fans? :noidea:

Galax Steeler
08-24-2009, 04:40 AM
That has to suck cant even go and enjoy the game outside of the stadium.:noidea:

steelreserve
08-24-2009, 01:04 PM
I think what this is really about is trying to drive more people into the oh-so-trendy shopping center filled with 90% bars and restaurants that they built across the street. They're not selling many $7 beers when people are standing around in the parking lot drinking Olde English instead:

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/V/S/2/westgatecitycenter01.jpg

I've actually been there to witness this by pure coincidence (I was on business, staying at the hotel in the top-right of the picture), and the shopping center was not exactly packed even right before the game. It's a pretty stupid shopping center -- just one sports-themed restaurant after another, with a couple stores selling nonsense luxury items. You can't possibly buy anything you'd want or need in everyday life, and it's also in the middle of nowhere, so nobody has any reason to go there except when there's a game.

varmintjcl
08-24-2009, 07:33 PM
We went there to have dinner one evening with family visiting from out of town. After being brushed off and made to wait at one of the very expensive sports bars after being told there was no wait, we went to margaritaville thinking oh cool experience.....bad choice, food was inedible and it was way too expensive as well.
They are really proud of their food and drinks there.

I've had two experiences in that stadium and I will never go back............the so called bird fans have an attitude that "it's our stadium and you don't belong" although the idiots don't realize its all the hotel & rental car taxes that paid for it.

mesaSteeler
08-24-2009, 09:05 PM
We went there to have dinner one evening with family visiting from out of town. After being brushed off and made to wait at one of the very expensive sports bars after being told there was no wait, we went to margaritaville thinking oh cool experience.....bad choice, food was inedible and it was way too expensive as well.
They are really proud of their food and drinks there.

I've had two experiences in that stadium and I will never go back............the so called bird fans have an attitude that "it's our stadium and you don't belong" although the idiots don't realize its all the hotel & rental car taxes that paid for it.

Hell not just hotel and rental car taxes but an actural county sales tax paid for the "bird cage". It's typical Bozo Bidwell and his clan of clowns to ban tail gating. Bozo Bidwell doesn't care about the fans he only cares about their money.

HometownGal
08-24-2009, 09:14 PM
I dunno - I've never really been into tailgating, as many of those drunks are obnoxious and just plain rude as hell to fans going into the stadium who paid a king's ransom for their tickets. I have experienced heavily intoxicated fans tailgating when trying to get through the parking lots at both TRS and HF. WTH are they bitching about anyway? They're still permitted to tailgate for 4 hours before the game and take their drunken asses to a bar or better yet - to their private residences. Cops could write a boatload of citations and make a ton of DUI arrests if they manned the perimeters of sports facilities before, during and after games. Though I'm not a huge drinker, I much prefer the comfort of my own home if I'm going to tie one on during a Steelers game, which happens once in a blue moon. That way, I'm not at risk of mowing down an unsuspecting fan or pissing my pants because I had too much to drink.

SteelersinCA
08-25-2009, 12:40 AM
Funny thing is, I ahve a friend on Facebook and I saw her pictures of the Chargers/Cards game and there wasn't hardly anyone in the parking lot anyway. So much for the Super bowl turning football around for AZ.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
08-25-2009, 01:37 AM
Arizona and Florida are transplant states.

Combine that with the fact that the Cardinals were never really all that great with the exception of last year, you probably have a pretty small fan base.

I'd venture to say there are more Steeler, Cowboy and Browns fans combined in the state of Arizona than actual Cards fans.

Hell, I recall in '07, I saw many orange and brown in the crowd on TV broadcasts, the exact same thing with the Steelers and terrible towels at the Steelers/Cards game.

Just thought I'd rant on that a bit..carry on.

MasterOfPuppets
08-25-2009, 01:56 AM
Arizona and Florida are transplant states.

Combine that with the fact that the Cardinals were never really all that great with the exception of last year, you probably have a pretty small fan base.

I'd venture to say there are more Steeler, Cowboy and Browns fans combined in the state of Arizona than actual Cards fans.

Hell, I recall in '07, I saw many orange and brown in the crowd on TV broadcasts, the exact same thing with the Steelers and terrible towels at the Steelers/Cards game.

Just thought I'd rant on that a bit..carry on.
dude that was a combination of sunburnt white people , mexicans, and bad color on your tv. ... stop trying to get us to believe the browns have a national following....:coffee:

klick81
08-25-2009, 02:20 AM
dude that was a combination of sunburnt white people , mexicans, and bad color on your tv. ... stop trying to get us to believe the browns have a national following....:coffee:

LMAO....that was horrible.

revefsreleets
08-25-2009, 10:10 AM
They probably had to comb pretty hard to find anyone who really even cared for a "voice on the street" for this article...the West Coast fans are super lackadaisical, soft-core and laid-back...most of them probably don't even know what tailgating is...

Godfather
08-25-2009, 11:49 AM
That's a dumb policy. Tailgating is awesome.

At LSU, some fans arrive Thursday or Friday and start tailgating. Then they come back after the game and tailgate some more.

fansince'76
08-25-2009, 12:01 PM
They have one season with a fan base and they get all high and mighty?

More like about 2-3 weeks (mid-January to early February). 99% of their "fans" didn't give a shit until after they got by Carolina in the Divisional game.

HughC
08-25-2009, 12:29 PM
Actually it appears this is more of an NFL plan than just a Cardinals plan.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-08-20-nfl-beer-sales_N.htm

The NFL will try to crack down on binge drinking by fans at games during the 2009 season.

Following up on the Fan Code of Conduct it implemented last season, the league office is making recommendations to teams about maximum serving sizes for beer, wine and spirits sold at games and about the number of alcoholic drinks a customer can purchase at one time.

The league also is recommending that its 32 teams and 31 stadiums limit tailgating to 3 hours before games and attempt to better monitor and enforce rules against excessive drinking in stadium parking lots.

Whether it's trying to make the experience of an NFL game more fan-friendly; the theory that families with kids will spend more inside the stadium than tailgaters who bring their own food and drinks; wanting to avoid possible lawsuits from DUI's; the thought they can lower costs with less security if fewer people are drinking; or other reasons, it appears the NFL as a whole is headed in the direction of limiting the pre-game tailgating ritual.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
08-25-2009, 03:27 PM
dude that was a combination of sunburnt white people , mexicans, and bad color on your tv. ... stop trying to get us to believe the browns have a national following....:coffee:

Yeah, you're right...more like..an INTERNATIONAL following. :)

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/fans/backers/tracker.php

For the record, I did go to your hometown for a bit on my way for vacation. Pretty area, went to some place to grab some crab cakes, some Louisiana-style restaurant.

..and wouldn't you know it..first thing I see getting out of the car was some woman in a "Believeland" shirt. :chuckle:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8KQDiYadNws/R2ZuMFwcbtI/AAAAAAAAA58/zSFMPvyxQo0/s400/believeland.bmp

RoethlisBURGHer
08-25-2009, 03:38 PM
Yeah, you're right...more like..an INTERNATIONAL following. :)

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/fans/backers/tracker.php

For the record, I did go to your hometown for a bit on my way for vacation. Pretty area, went to some place to grab some crab cakes, some Louisiana-style restaurant.

..and wouldn't you know it..first thing I see getting out of the car was some woman in a "Believeland" shirt. :chuckle:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8KQDiYadNws/R2ZuMFwcbtI/AAAAAAAAA58/zSFMPvyxQo0/s400/believeland.bmp

She was probably on vacation herself. :laughing:

SteelersinCA
08-25-2009, 06:51 PM
They probably had to comb pretty hard to find anyone who really even cared for a "voice on the street" for this article...the West Coast fans are super lackadaisical, soft-core and laid-back...most of them probably don't even know what tailgating is...

Not true at all, Charger fans throw down when tailgating. Some of the best food, music and tailgating set ups you will ever see. Easily on par with the quality of tailgating at USC or OSU, save the cold rainy weather in Columbus during the fall.

At Candlestick, pretty good traveling for an away team, <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mhzSy-dyspg&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mhzSy-dyspg&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

LA isn't the whole west coast.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 10:05 AM
That looks like about 1/5th of a typical Heinz Field tailgate crowd...

You'll NEVER sell me that any crowd west of the Mississippi tailgates with any kind of real zeal (With a FEW exceptions in the SW, like Texas)...SEC, Big Ten, Midwest fans have football in their blood, and west coast fans just consider football an interesting diversion...for the MOST part.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 10:52 AM
Well it is at Candlestick. Qualcomm has the largest parking lot West of the Mississippi and they line up for hours to fill it up for games. Not much else they can do. Have you ever been to a tailgate West of the MIssissippi? Ask an OSU fan (who isn't an ignorant homer) that went to the game last year what the tailgate was like. All my buddies begrudgingly admit it was on par with an OSU tailgate.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 11:17 AM
Ask an OSU fan (who isn't an ignorant homer)

Cute...what an ass.

I have been to a LOT of games at Heinz. I've walked for several MILES through tailgating...Who cares how big the parking lot is? OSU tailgating is spread throughout the whole damned city so that's irrelevant, too.

Whatever...the Chargers have the greatest tailgate in the World, it's the best and biggest, you're always right, I'm always wrong, bleep, blop, bloop...

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Cute...what an ass.

I have been to a LOT of games at Heinz. I've walked for several MILES through tailgating...Who cares how big the parking lot is? OSU tailgating is spread throughout the whole damned city so that's irrelevant, too.

Whatever...the Chargers have the greatest tailgate in the World, it's the best and biggest, you're always right, I'm always wrong, bleep, blop, bloop...

That wasn't a slight at you, but take it as you will. There are lots of Kool-aid drinkers sporting scarlet and gray, that was a "just find one with a semi-objective opinion." True to form you get defensive. Relax Rev, you don't have to be a "starter" all the time.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 12:03 PM
I'm sorry, but you'll have great difficulty convincing me that the tailgating is all that at a stadium that has trouble selling out. (And before you start wining for a source, they had to have local businesses buy up tickets to avoid a blackout for their 9/7/2008 SEASON OPENER last year...look it up).

They sell out a lot of games, but they have to cheat to do so...and San Diego is a big city, 8th largest in the US.

San Diego had 31 straight sell-outs going into last year, but they are "tainted"...by way of comparison, Pittsburgh, which is the 53rd largest city in the US, has had over 300 consecutive sell-outs.

West Coast fans can't really be all that bothered by football...or facts, for that matter apparently...

Dino 6 Rings
08-26-2009, 12:59 PM
I imagine new tailgating rules would be for the VISTING TEAMS Fans!

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 01:08 PM
So your facts are comparing the exception, the Steelers, who have a 15yr+ waiting list for season tickets, to above average fan base? You went from they don't know anything about tailgating to comparing them to the Steelers as the basis of your argument. Non sequitur?

Had you done more than a google search to see why those thousands of seats are unsold all the time, you would have found that qualcomm wasn't built for solely football and those several thousand seats that sell for $80 are obstructed view seats. Not a pole in the way obstructed, but you can't see half the field obstructed. Try comparing them to the other NFL teams instead of the exception. Bengals, Browns, Titans. I hear you can get a PSL in Paul Brown for $5. That's really in the blood huh?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have your mind made up on a great number of things about which you are unwilling to see a different perspective no matter how many facts anyone brings to the table. However, I find it comical how defensive you get and all the more ironic how you are quick to point out when I make a generalization (which I freely admit to when called out by you) and then you go on making rash generalizations.

I thought you were in the ad biz? You do understand sentence construction right?

Ask an OSU fan (who isn't an ignorant homer) that went to the game last year Bolded for emphasis.

I fail to see how you can take that as personally as you did. Maybe an apology is in order for the ass comment? I doubt it, after all that would require a sincere admission that you were wrong. Keep fighting the good fight Rev!

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 01:21 PM
That looks like about 1/5th of a typical Heinz Field tailgate crowd...

You'll NEVER sell me that any crowd west of the Mississippi tailgates with any kind of real zeal (With a FEW exceptions in the SW, like Texas)...SEC, Big Ten, Midwest fans have football in their blood, and west coast fans just consider football an interesting diversion...for the MOST part.

I'd have to say Raiders fans are the one case where you're wrong. Although with them, it's not so much the size of the tailgate party, so much as how loud and angry it is. I mean, what other city can say it had a full-fledged riot when its team LOST the Super Bowl?

Other than that, though, you're right. None of the crowds for pro teams out here compare to the pre-game festival at Heinz Field, and none of the Pac-10 college crowds compare to the scene at really serious football conferences with 100,000-seat stadiums and such.

I don't think it's that West Coast fans aren't enthusiastic about football, it's just that most of them don't know how to tailgate very well.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 01:39 PM
I'd have to say Raiders fans are the one case where you're wrong. Although with them, it's not so much the size of the tailgate party, so much as how loud and angry it is. I mean, what other city can say it had a full-fledged riot when its team LOST the Super Bowl?

Other than that, though, you're right. None of the crowds for pro teams out here compare to the pre-game festival at Heinz Field, and none of the Pac-10 college crowds compare to the scene at really serious football conferences with 100,000-seat stadiums and such.

I don't think it's that West Coast fans aren't enthusiastic about football, it's just that most of them don't know how to tailgate very well.

But again, we are comparing them to the Steelers. They are the exception, not the rule. Having both attended OSU; going to tailgates for years, and having been at USC and Chargers games, I don't find the tailgating that much different. Now maybe the Chargers and Raiders are the exception to West Coast? I hear Seattle is a raucous crowd too, same with Autzen stadium. I have never been though so I don't know. NFL wise, if Seattle, Oakland and San Diego throw a good tailgate, what other west coast teams are there? Can't be the exception if 3 of the 4 know how to tailgate.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
08-26-2009, 02:47 PM
That looks like about 1/5th of a typical Heinz Field tailgate crowd...

You'll NEVER sell me that any crowd west of the Mississippi tailgates with any kind of real zeal (With a FEW exceptions in the SW, like Texas)...SEC, Big Ten, Midwest fans have football in their blood, and west coast fans just consider football an interesting diversion...for the MOST part.

+1

I will say that people live and die College/HS football in Texas, they could give a crap about the Texans, and love the Cowboys. One of the most awesome and ultimate experience in sports is to go to a Texas A&M game, the stadium auctually SHAKES it's so loud. Same with any given team down south.

As for the midwest people are just as crazy, in the rustbelt region especially. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are more alike than a lot of the fans like to give credit for in how the people act and follow the sport. (yeah, yeah, just wish our pro team was on par with theirs. :banging:) High School and College teams are followed like crazy in Western PA and Northeast Ohio. Rev. can attest that at the very least, Stark Co. is mad for Friday Nights, and places like Steubenville treat their team like it's a college football team.

And even when the Pro team up in Cleveland is doing horribly they're still able to sell out (the exception being the 'Futilty Bowl" Vs. the Lions this preseason).

But for the west coast, Seattle and Oregon are pretty loud as wellm as stated. Seattle was so loud in the Kingdome that Elway complained to the NFL about it, and Oregon is imfamous for the "Autzen Zoo".

The_WARDen
08-26-2009, 03:23 PM
I dunno - I've never really been into tailgating, as many of those drunks are obnoxious and just plain rude as hell to fans going into the stadium who paid a king's ransom for their tickets. I have experienced heavily intoxicated fans tailgating when trying to get through the parking lots at both TRS and HF. WTH are they bitching about anyway? They're still permitted to tailgate for 4 hours before the game and take their drunken asses to a bar or better yet - to their private residences. Cops could write a boatload of citations and make a ton of DUI arrests if they manned the perimeters of sports facilities before, during and after games. Though I'm not a huge drinker, I much prefer the comfort of my own home if I'm going to tie one on during a Steelers game, which happens once in a blue moon. That way, I'm not at risk of mowing down an unsuspecting fan or pissing my pants because I had too much to drink.

and you call yourself a fan??!!!!

:whistle:

RoethlisBURGHer
08-26-2009, 03:44 PM
I don't think the NFL is going to be able to control tailgating they way they think.

I mean sure, they can control it on lots that are on stadium property. But I highly doubt they can enforce these rules on lots that are private/city property.

Example:

In Cleveland, the only parking lot on the property of Cleveland Browns Stadium is the players parking lot. All the rest of the parking lots in downtown Cleveland are privately owned or owned by the city.

And most of the tailgating in Cleveland takes place in the Municipal (aka Muni) parking lot which is where the city workers park during the work week.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 04:36 PM
So your facts are comparing the exception, the Steelers, who have a 15yr+ waiting list for season tickets, to above average fan base? You went from they don't know anything about tailgating to comparing them to the Steelers as the basis of your argument. Non sequitur?

Had you done more than a google search to see why those thousands of seats are unsold all the time, you would have found that qualcomm wasn't built for solely football and those several thousand seats that sell for $80 are obstructed view seats. Not a pole in the way obstructed, but you can't see half the field obstructed. Try comparing them to the other NFL teams instead of the exception. Bengals, Browns, Titans. I hear you can get a PSL in Paul Brown for $5. That's really in the blood huh?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have your mind made up on a great number of things about which you are unwilling to see a different perspective no matter how many facts anyone brings to the table. However, I find it comical how defensive you get and all the more ironic how you are quick to point out when I make a generalization (which I freely admit to when called out by you) and then you go on making rash generalizations.

I thought you were in the ad biz? You do understand sentence construction right?
Bolded for emphasis.

I fail to see how you can take that as personally as you did. Maybe an apology is in order for the ass comment? I doubt it, after all that would require a sincere admission that you were wrong. Keep fighting the good fight Rev!

Lot's of semantics, very little real content.

Tell yourself whatever you want, I don't really care one way or the other....

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 04:58 PM
Lot's of semantics, very little real content.

Tell yourself whatever you want, I don't really care one way or the other....

Never did I expect you'd apologize for calling me an ass. Typical, at least you are consistently spiteful.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 05:05 PM
Never did I expect you'd apologize for calling me an ass. Typical, at least you are consistently spiteful.

Sorry I called you an ass...feel better? Need a hug?

Bottom line: West Coast fans are lackadaisical and generally disinterested in football compared to their Midwestern counterparts. You can fight the Pyrrhic "good fight" all you like but it's pretty much an established fact.

steelreserve
08-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Bottom line: West Coast fans are lackadaisical and generally disinterested in football compared to their Midwestern counterparts. You can fight the Pyrrhic "good fight" all you like but it's pretty much an established fact.

That's not correct at all. Just because you don't have huge tailgate parties and/or jump around screaming with a painted face in the background of the ESPN on-campus gameday show, doesn't mean you're not interested in football.

Sure, Midwestern people have all kinds of elaborate rituals around game day. That doesn't make them any better fans, just more into doing that kind of shit.

SteelersinCA
08-26-2009, 05:22 PM
Nah, just interesting to see what type of guy you portend to be. You clearly mistook what I said, for which you called me an ass and aren't big enough of a man to sack up and say, gee you know what I misread that, my bad. At least you play a big man on the internet.

revefsreleets
08-26-2009, 05:59 PM
That's not correct at all. Just because you don't have huge tailgate parties and/or jump around screaming with a painted face in the background of the ESPN on-campus gameday show, doesn't mean you're not interested in football.

Sure, Midwestern people have all kinds of elaborate rituals around game day. That doesn't make them any better fans, just more into doing that kind of shit.

Fan..short for "fanatic".

If being a fan means "being into that sort of shit", well, yeah, guilty as charged I suppose.

I've seen no evidence whatsoever that the West Coast has any sort of real zeal for the game of football. It's a distraction like a thousand other distractions. Somehow I'm the bad guy for pointing that out, but, ok...whatever...it literally is what it is and I appreciate a couple people trying to stick up for an otherwise largely apathetic fan base...

MasterOfPuppets
08-26-2009, 06:28 PM
then there's the fact that the 2nd largest city in the US didn't support an NFL team ...:noidea:

revefsreleets
08-27-2009, 09:59 AM
I may have approached this incorrectly: I DO apologize for that. It is right and proper to measure tailgating against gold standards like (but not limited to) the Steelers and Buckeyes...I've been to Notre Dame stadium and that's pretty intense as well, with cars lining up in traffic very early in the morning. I've heard good things about Penn State 'gates, and I'm sure there are dozens of other examples of great Midwestern tailgating that measure up (and I've heard terrific things about SEC 'gates as well). Based on everything I've read, seen, heard and witnessed myself, there just isn't nearly as much zeal or vigor in the typical West Coast fan.

Now, just to show I'm not playing a game of one-up-manship, my Zips have a miserable track record of tailgating, and although I hit every game early and try to do my part, there are usually only a meager few hundred fans who join me. Hopefully with the new stadium that will change a little...