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lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 10:35 AM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger (returning)
2. Batch (returning)
3. Dixon (returning)

Running Back
4. Parker (returning)
5. Mendenhall (returning)
6. Moore (returning)
7.Summers (as a FB)
8. Logan (new player...RB/WR/RS)

Wide Receiver
9. Ward (returning)
10. Holmes (returning)
11. Sweed (returning)
12. Wallace (new player)
13. McDonald (new player)

Tight End
14. Miller (returning)
15. Spaeth (returning)
16. Johnson (new player)

Center
17. Hartwig (returning)
18. Legursky (new player ...OC/OG)

Offensive Guard
19. Stapleton (returning...OC/OG )
20. Kemoeatu (returning)
21. Essex (returning...OG/OT)
22. Urbik (new player)

Offensive Tackle
23. Starks (returning)
24. Colon (returning)
25. Hills (returning)
26. Capizzi (New player)

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed (returning)
27. Sepulveda (returning)
28. Warren (returning)

Defensive End
29. Smith (returning)
30. Keisel (returning)
31. Eason (returning...still torn between Eason and Kirschke)
32. Hood (new player)

Nose Tackle
33. Hampton (returning)
34. Hoke (returning)

Linebacker
35. Harrison J. (returning)
36. Farrior (returning)
37. Woodley (returning)
38. Timmons (returning)
39. Fox (returning)
40. Frazier (returning)
41. Bailey (returning)
42. Woods (returning)
43. Davis (returning)

Cornerback
44. Taylor (returning)
45. Gay (returning)
46. Madison (returning)
47. Townsend (returning)
48. Lewis K. (new player) -
49. Rattliff (new player)

Safety
50. Polamalu (returning)
51. Clark (returning)
52. Carter (returning)
53. Mundy (new player

Practice Squad
1. OC - Shipley
2. OG-Foster
3. RB-Redman
4. S-Richardson
5. TE-Sherrod
6. CB-Burnett
7. DE-Harris
8. QB-Reilly

With McHugh's injury ...I think the TE race is easier to sort out. Redman falls of my list with a very lackluster performance against sub-par competition, Summers versatility and ability to play ST may put on the final roster.

I still want to have Townsend on my cut list...(I know..I know). Ratliff is a better CB. His ability, youth, vet experience and smaller contract makes Townsend expendible.
Unless I am mistaken Townsend has 0 stats this pre-season...can someone confirm that? I just dont see paying someone 3 mil for last years stats of 20 tackles and 2 interceptions.:noidea: However, I am going to ignore my inner-Turk and keep him. (I'm such a peer-pressure pushover)

Pretty confident in my LB list, but at DE I am still struggling between Eason and Kirschke.

Interested in everyones thoughts and their own roster.

theplatypus
08-30-2009, 10:49 AM
I hate to say it, but Davis over Summers. Also everything I've read has Foster looking very good. Not sure he's headed to the practice squad.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 10:52 AM
I hate to say it, but Davis over Summers. Also everything I've read has Foster looking very good. Not sure he's headed to the practice squad.

Alot of people have said that about Davis....I hope from the bottom of my heart that Summers is up to replacing him!!!

steelersfanman92
08-30-2009, 10:54 AM
I think Kirshke will make it over Eason, but that is defenitly a close one and if McHugh is ready by the start of the season I think he will make it Johnson who will then probably be on the PS.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
08-30-2009, 10:55 AM
Summers has done nothing to deserve a roster spot except have a cool nickname.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 10:58 AM
I think Kirshke will make it over Eason, but that is defenitly a close one and if McHugh is ready by the start of the season I think he will make it Johnson who will then probably be on the PS.

I think they said that McHugh is out for at least 4 weeks...I will have to check on that.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 11:05 AM
Summers has done nothing to deserve a roster spot except have a cool nickname.

Actually.... Summers was the one who opened alot of those holes for TD's that "Redzone Redman" gets so much credit for.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
08-30-2009, 11:13 AM
Yes, I know. But he hasn't even played since the first game. And you can't make the roster from the whirlpool.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 11:22 AM
Yes, I know. But he hasn't even played since the first game. And you can't make the roster from the whirlpool.

Cant make the roster with a 2.4 ypc average against third-stringers either.:noidea:

So I guess we are back to Davis, if Summers isnt ready to play next week.

wootawnee
08-30-2009, 11:27 AM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger (returning)
2. Batch (returning)
3. Dixon (returning)

Running Back
4. Parker (returning)
5. Mendenhall (returning)
6. Moore (returning)
7.Summers (as a FB)
8. Logan (new player...RB/WR/RS)

Wide Receiver
9. Ward (returning)
10. Holmes (returning)
11. Sweed (returning)
12. Wallace (new player)
13. McDonald (new player)

Tight End
14. Miller (returning)
15. Spaeth (returning)
16. Johnson (new player)

Center
17. Hartwig (returning)
18. Legursky (new player ...OC/OG)

Offensive Guard
19. Stapleton (returning...OC/OG )
20. Kemoeatu (returning)
21. Essex (returning...OG/OT)
22. Urbik (new player)

Offensive Tackle
23. Starks (returning)
24. Colon (returning)
25. Hills (returning)
26. Capizzi (New player)

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed (returning)
27. Sepulveda (returning)
28. Warren (returning)

Defensive End
29. Smith (returning)
30. Keisel (returning)
31. Eason (returning...still torn between Eason and Kirschke)
32. Hood (new player)

Nose Tackle
33. Hampton (returning)
34. Hoke (returning)

Linebacker
35. Harrison J. (returning)
36. Farrior (returning)
37. Woodley (returning)
38. Timmons (returning)
39. Fox (returning)
40. Frazier (returning)
41. Bailey (returning)
42. Woods (returning)
43. Davis (returning)

Cornerback
44. Taylor (returning)
45. Gay (returning)
46. Madison (returning)
47. Townsend (returning)
48. Lewis K. (new player) -
49. Rattliff (new player)

Safety
50. Polamalu (returning)
51. Clark (returning)
52. Carter (returning)
53. Mundy (new player

Practice Squad
1. OC - Shipley
2. OG-Foster
3. RB-Redman
4. S-Richardson
5. TE-Sherrod
6. CB-Burnett
7. DE-Harris
8. QB-Reilly

With McHugh's injury ...I think the TE race is easier to sort out. Redman falls of my list with a very lackluster performance against sub-par competition, Summers versatility and ability to play ST may put on the final roster.

I still want to have Townsend on my cut list...(I know..I know). Ratliff is a better CB. His ability, youth, vet experience and smaller contract makes Townsend expendible.
Unless I am mistaken Townsend has 0 stats this pre-season...can someone confirm that? I just dont see paying someone 3 mil for last years stats of 20 tackles and 2 interceptions.:noidea: However, I am going to ignore my inner-Turk and keep him. (I'm such a peer-pressure pushover)

Pretty confident in my LB list, but at DE I am still struggling between Eason and Kirschke.

Interested in everyones thoughts and their own roster.

You got it just about right on brother.....Davis is a bum....He doesn't make any holes.....That is when our running game suffered is when Krieder left.......Tank is gonna come up.....My Homie fom Oakland Ca will pave some huge holes this year you can bank on it.......You can't give Deshea the boot......He can still play......The Mchugh thing got me bummed though......I like that guy alot.....He shows alot of heart when he plays.....He aint afraid to take a hit like that bum Speath is........Great roster list dude......

The Lakelander
08-30-2009, 01:05 PM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger (returning)
2. Batch (returning)
3. Dixon (returning)

Running Back
4. Parker (returning)
5. Mendenhall (returning)
6. Moore (returning)
7.Summers (as a FB)
8. Logan (new player...RB/WR/RS)

Wide Receiver
9. Ward (returning)
10. Holmes (returning)
11. Sweed (returning)
12. Wallace (new player)
13. McDonald (new player)

Tight End
14. Miller (returning)
15. Spaeth (returning)
16. Johnson (new player)

Center
17. Hartwig (returning)
18. Legursky (new player ...OC/OG)

Offensive Guard
19. Stapleton (returning...OC/OG )
20. Kemoeatu (returning)
21. Essex (returning...OG/OT)
22. Urbik (new player)

Offensive Tackle
23. Starks (returning)
24. Colon (returning)
25. Hills (returning)
26. Capizzi (New player)

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed (returning)
27. Sepulveda (returning)
28. Warren (returning)

Defensive End
29. Smith (returning)
30. Keisel (returning)
31. Eason (returning...still torn between Eason and Kirschke)
32. Hood (new player)

Nose Tackle
33. Hampton (returning)
34. Hoke (returning)

Linebacker
35. Harrison J. (returning)
36. Farrior (returning)
37. Woodley (returning)
38. Timmons (returning)
39. Fox (returning)
40. Frazier (returning)
41. Bailey (returning)
42. Woods (returning)
43. Davis (returning)

Cornerback
44. Taylor (returning)
45. Gay (returning)
46. Madison (returning)
47. Townsend (returning)
48. Lewis K. (new player) -
49. Rattliff (new player)

Safety
50. Polamalu (returning)
51. Clark (returning)
52. Carter (returning)
53. Mundy (new player

Practice Squad
1. OC - Shipley
2. OG-Foster
3. RB-Redman
4. S-Richardson
5. TE-Sherrod
6. CB-Burnett
7. DE-Harris
8. QB-Reilly

With McHugh's injury ...I think the TE race is easier to sort out. Redman falls of my list with a very lackluster performance against sub-par competition, Summers versatility and ability to play ST may put on the final roster.

I still want to have Townsend on my cut list...(I know..I know). Ratliff is a better CB. His ability, youth, vet experience and smaller contract makes Townsend expendible.
Unless I am mistaken Townsend has 0 stats this pre-season...can someone confirm that? I just dont see paying someone 3 mil for last years stats of 20 tackles and 2 interceptions.:noidea: However, I am going to ignore my inner-Turk and keep him. (I'm such a peer-pressure pushover)

Pretty confident in my LB list, but at DE I am still struggling between Eason and Kirschke.

Interested in everyones thoughts and their own roster.

A few points:

1. The Steelers kept 9 offensive linemen last year. I'm not sure why they'd keep 10 this year? Offensive linemen are the slowest and least usable players on the roster for special teams, and so the Steelers will keep an extra player at a different position once again. We'll keep just 9. I have Foster making it over both Legursky and Capizzi. Foster has "it". If Legursky makes it finally, it is because he suited and played when Stapleton didn't. In that scenario Stapleton gets the surprise axe along with Capizzi ...

2. Logan is a "return specialist" and therefore if he makes this team (and he is going to) the Steelers will very likely keep 6 RB's this year instead of 5. If Summers makes the 53 man roster then Davis is gone. The Steelers won't keep both. So it's either Davis and Redman or Summers and Redman. If they only keep 5 RB's (a scenario that leaves this team at extreme risk because of the history of injuries at this position) then Redman gets axed and either Davis or Summers stays (which is your scenario above) ... Davis has to go!!! ... that guy sucks!!! ... he offers zero upside!!! ... please get rid of this puke!!! ... but Davis is Tomlin's "pet" ...

3. I can't see any scenario where we keep 10 DB's. So it's either 6 corners and 3 safeties or 5 corners and 4 safeties. So one of either Mundy, Madison or Townsend will get the axe. Deshea is still a key player in LeBeau's packages and is an extremely wiley vet! While Mundy offers no position flexibilty, Madison's contract makes him expendable in a deep and young secondary where Joe Burnett (and a few likely new draft picks) waits in the wings for next season ...

4. I agree that McHugh is gone. He has clear and limited upside. They get exactly what he brings (only with more potential) with the rookie Johnson ... an HB type TE who can be used exclusively as a FB if the starting FB is injured mid-game ...

5. Arnold Harrison may have made a case for the Steelers keeping him over Bruce Davis. Harrison has stuck around quite some time and they love his work ethic. I didn't hear Davis' name called last night at all and I saw Davis slacking on the football field in Washington. Davis is long gone, my friend.

6. Sonny Harris is a gifted 5-technique who makes this team! He's played extremely well and provides extremely crucial depth. I know they like Eason, but Harris has way more potential as the heir-apparent to Aaron Smith.

BlastFurnace
08-30-2009, 01:08 PM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger (returning)
2. Batch (returning)
3. Dixon (returning)

Running Back
4. Parker (returning)
5. Mendenhall (returning)
6. Moore (returning)
7.Summers (as a FB)
8. Logan (new player...RB/WR/RS)

Wide Receiver
9. Ward (returning)
10. Holmes (returning)
11. Sweed (returning)
12. Wallace (new player)
13. McDonald (new player)

Tight End
14. Miller (returning)
15. Spaeth (returning)
16. Johnson (new player)

Center
17. Hartwig (returning)
18. Legursky (new player ...OC/OG)

Offensive Guard
19. Stapleton (returning...OC/OG )
20. Kemoeatu (returning)
21. Essex (returning...OG/OT)
22. Urbik (new player)

Offensive Tackle
23. Starks (returning)
24. Colon (returning)
25. Hills (returning)
26. Capizzi (New player)

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed (returning)
27. Sepulveda (returning)
28. Warren (returning)

Defensive End
29. Smith (returning)
30. Keisel (returning)
31. Eason (returning...still torn between Eason and Kirschke)
32. Hood (new player)

Nose Tackle
33. Hampton (returning)
34. Hoke (returning)

Linebacker
35. Harrison J. (returning)
36. Farrior (returning)
37. Woodley (returning)
38. Timmons (returning)
39. Fox (returning)
40. Frazier (returning)
41. Bailey (returning)
42. Woods (returning)
43. Davis (returning)

Cornerback
44. Taylor (returning)
45. Gay (returning)
46. Madison (returning)
47. Townsend (returning)
48. Lewis K. (new player) -
49. Rattliff (new player)

Safety
50. Polamalu (returning)
51. Clark (returning)
52. Carter (returning)
53. Mundy (new player

Practice Squad
1. OC - Shipley
2. OG-Foster
3. RB-Redman
4. S-Richardson
5. TE-Sherrod
6. CB-Burnett
7. DE-Harris
8. QB-Reilly

With McHugh's injury ...I think the TE race is easier to sort out. Redman falls of my list with a very lackluster performance against sub-par competition, Summers versatility and ability to play ST may put on the final roster.

I still want to have Townsend on my cut list...(I know..I know). Ratliff is a better CB. His ability, youth, vet experience and smaller contract makes Townsend expendible.
Unless I am mistaken Townsend has 0 stats this pre-season...can someone confirm that? I just dont see paying someone 3 mil for last years stats of 20 tackles and 2 interceptions.:noidea: However, I am going to ignore my inner-Turk and keep him. (I'm such a peer-pressure pushover)

Pretty confident in my LB list, but at DE I am still struggling between Eason and Kirschke.

Interested in everyones thoughts and their own roster.

I agree with much of what you predicted, but for the following:

Foster over Hills - every single beat writer has said how good Foster has looked. I keep thinking of Hills getting launched by Orapko. I think Hills is a goner.

Davis over Summers - I don't agree with it either, but I have a hard time believing that Davis will get cut.

Burnett over Bruce Davis - we will sacrifice a LB'er to keep Burnett on the roster. Davis is not a good fit for our defense.

Harris over Mundy - With Townsend's and Gay's ability to play safety if necessary, Mundy is expendable. Sonny Harris won't make our PS because someone will sign him if we leave him exposed.

ricksteelers55
08-30-2009, 01:17 PM
here is mine

QB
Big Ben
Batch
Dixon

RB
Parker
Mendenhall
Moore
Logan

FB
Davis

WR
Ward
Holmes
Sweed
Wallace
McDonald

TE
Miller
Spaeth
McHugh(although I think they might cut him until he's healthy and bring him back and put D.Johnson on PS when he comes back from injuries)

T
Starks
Colon
Hills

G
Kemoeatu
Essex(plays T)
Urbik
Stapleton

C
Hartwig
Legursky

DE
Smith
Keisel
Hood
Kirschke
Harris
Eason

NT
Hampton
Hoke

LB
J.Harrison
Woodley
Frazier
Bailey
Farrior
Timmons
Fox
A.Harrison

CB
Taylor
Gay
Townsend
Rattliff
Burnett
Lewis

S
Polamalu
Clark
Carter

ST
Reed
Sepulveda
Warren

this is my 53 man roster

my PS would be:

T- Capizzi(or Foster if he clears waivers)
RB/FB - Summers
QB - Reilly
WR - Williams
S - Mundy
FB/TE - D.Johnson
LB - Korte( or RB Redman)
LB - Woods

OneForTheToe
08-30-2009, 02:16 PM
Ok, I can finally do one since we are past the third:

QB
Big Ben - that kid played himself into a roster spot yesterday.
Batch
Dixon

RB
Parker
Mendy
Moore
Davis, FB - Tomlin does like him.
Logan (KR)

WR
Ward
Holmes
Sweed
Wallace
McDonald

TE
Miller
Spaeth
McHugh
D.Johnson

T
Starks
Colon
Hills


G
Kemoeatu
Essex(& T)
Urbik
Stapleton

C
Hartwig
Legursky

DE
Smith
Keisel
Hood
Kirschke
Eason

NT
Hampton
Hoke

LB
J.Harrison
Woodley
Frazier
Bailey
Farrior
Timmons
Fox
A.Harrison

CB
Taylor
Gay
Townsend (&S)
Rattliff
Burnett
Lewis

S
Polamalu
Clark
Carter

ST
Reed
Sepulveda
Warren

Practice squad
Foster (&G)
Capizzi - if eligible
Tank
Redman
Reilly
Nance - if eligible
Roshon Harris
Shippley

I know we don't want to keep 4 TEs on the roster. However, I read this to be the opening day Roster. I figure as soon as McHugh is healthy the Steelers probably send Johnson to the PS and bring back either Redmen or Tank. They need to try and keep both Mchugh and Johnson around somewhere since Speath is more than likely gone next year.There is an outside chance they might cut Spaeth this year if McHugh is healthy earlier than expected.


I like Redman. He reminds me in style of Frankee Pollard (although Pollard was a track star and was pretty quick for his size). However, I don't see him on the roster this year - at least not to start the year.

steelreserve
08-30-2009, 02:29 PM
Summers has done nothing to deserve a roster spot except have a cool nickname.

and on the other hand, Davis hasn't done anything to deserve a roster spot either. Unless being the starter-by-default, and doing a bad job at it, counts for something.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
08-30-2009, 02:48 PM
"To be the man, you gotta beat the man."
Until someone proves that they're better, Carey Davis is the starting FB.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 02:53 PM
and on the other hand, Davis hasn't done anything to deserve a roster spot either. Unless being the starter-by-default, and doing a bad job at it, counts for something.

Of all the players ..He is the one I would like to see go. He has been a poor replacement for Kreider.

#1 Big Ben Fan
08-30-2009, 03:00 PM
Carey Davis isn't going anywhere. He will make the team and Frank Summers just hasn't shown enough to make the final 53. But I do think the Steelers will put him on the practice squad and he will get future chances to boot Davis off the team.

I think Burnett makes the team. He has shown enough as a corner he had a blocked kick last night.

I hate to see Bruce Davis cut but I think he will. He just hasn't shown anything to deserve a roster spot over Andre Fraizer or even Bailey.

SunshineMan21
08-30-2009, 03:26 PM
I agree . . . I think Davis may be gone simply because he's been unable to show much on special teams.

I really like our rookie class so far (including Redman and Reilly)--we just don't have enough space. I think Reilly in particular has played quite well so far.

We have to find room for Burnett and Sonny Harris on the active roster, though. They won't make it through waivers (Summers might not, either). Having too many players we want to keep is a good problem.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 03:30 PM
I hate to see Bruce Davis cut but I think he will. He just hasn't shown anything to deserve a roster spot over Andre Fraizer or even Bailey.

There is a part of me that would hate to see Davis or Tony Hills go...I guess I hate to think the players that we might have gotten with those picks.

wootawnee
08-30-2009, 04:23 PM
Davis is a punk.....He gets punked by the Raven's d every game......They yell at him and he walks away with his tail between his legs.........
Franco would have never put up with that shit.....Remember in the superbowl xiii when Hollywood Henderson tackled Bradshaw after the whistle......Franco grabbed that dude and started yelling at him and Hollywood backed down....Next play Franco was so pissed he took it right up the gut for a 22 yard td...........We need some of that attitude and Tank got it......He was a wrestler and he gets mean out there.......Willie Colon got that attitude.....He is the only dude in the league that doesnt take shit from the ravens line....Especially Ngada.....Attitude Brother.....Tank got it....Davis don't......

redst3
08-30-2009, 04:52 PM
Remember in the superbowl xiii when Hollywood Henderson tackled Bradshaw after the whistle......Franco grabbed that dude and started yelling at him and Hollywood backed down....Next play Franco was so pissed he took it right up the gut for a 22 yard td............

Great memory or Lambert slamming Cliff Harris in X. :tt02:

SteelersinCA
08-30-2009, 04:53 PM
So it's either Davis and Redman or Summers and Redman. If they only keep 5 RB's (a scenario that leaves this team at extreme risk because of the history of injuries at this position) then Redman gets axed and either Davis or Summers stays (which is your scenario above)

I know you catch a lot of heat for this, but I can't for the life of me see why you are so high on Redman? Do you know him? Family friend? Just because of that one game? I can't see him making the team.

sharkweek
08-30-2009, 04:58 PM
There is a part of me that would hate to see Davis or Tony Hills go...I guess I hate to think the players that we might have gotten with those picks.

In all likelihood, alternative picks would have turned out to be bums as well. Holding on to a player because you want to prove the pick wasn't a bust is a horrible reason to do so.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-30-2009, 05:26 PM
In all likelihood, alternative picks would have turned out to be bums as well. Holding on to a player because you want to prove the pick wasn't a bust is a horrible reason to do so.

I dont know...in between the two picks there were some good linemen... Oniel Cousins, Anthony Collins...and some good players at other positions...I dont think that alternative picks would have automatically been "bums".

KeiselPower99
08-30-2009, 08:54 PM
Shea in place of Mundy. He did have a pass breakup last night. Foster has the team made and either Capizzi or Hills is gone.

LVSteelersfan
08-30-2009, 09:43 PM
I cannot stand Carey Davis. The nonblocks he threw in that game last night were absolutely pathetic. You can't tell me the coaching staff can look at film and not see those pathetic attempts. They really liked Summers before he got hurt. I think he makes Davis easily expendable. I hope I am right.

Steel_Bus_24
08-30-2009, 09:58 PM
Damm do I hate Davis's craptastic blocking............and I hate it even more that we can't find someone better:banging:

I miss Dan too

RoethlisBURGHer
08-30-2009, 10:52 PM
QB
B. Roethlisberger
C. Batch
D. Dixon

RB
W. Parker
R. Mendenhall
M. Moore
C. Davis (FB)
F. Summers (FB/RB)

TE
H. Miller
D. Johnson
S. McHugh

WR
H. Ward
S. Holmes
L. Sweed
M. Wallace
S. McDonald

OL
J. Hartwig (C)
M. Starks (T)
W. Colon (T)
T. Essex (G/T)
C. Kemoeatu (G)
D. Stapleton (G)
K. Urbik (G)
R. Foster (T/G)
D. Legursky (C)

DL
C. Hampton (NT)
A. Smith (DE)
B. Keisel (DE)
C. Hoke (NT)
N. Eason (DE)
E. Hood (DE)
T. Kirschke (DE)

LB
J. Harrison (OLB)
L. Woodley (OLB)
J. Farrior (ILB)
L. Timmons (ILB/OLB)
K. Fox (ILB)
D. Woods (OLB)
A. Harrison (OLB)
P. Bailey (OLB)

S
T. Polamalu (SS)
R. Clark (FS)
T. Carter (FS)

CB
I. Taylor
W. Gay
D. Townsend
K. Ratliff
J. Burnett
K. Lewis

ST
J. Reed (K)
D. Sepulveda (P)
G. Warren (LS)
S. Logan (RS)

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 08:57 AM
I think Logan has made it as a PR. Steelers have not had a guy with that kind of PR ability since maybe Louis Lipps.

I think some may be shocked to see Patrick Bailey not make the 53, but he is really weak at OLB. I think Bailey is destined for the PS.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 09:04 AM
I think Logan has made it as a PR. Steelers have not had a guy with that kind of PR ability since maybe Louis Lipps.

I think some may be shocked to see Patrick Bailey not make the 53, but he is really weak at OLB. I think Bailey is destined for the PS.

But who makes the team first?

Bailey or Davis?...neither?

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 09:44 AM
But who makes the team first?

Bailey or Davis?...neither?

Tough call. I just see Bailey as being too slow and weak to be an effective OLB at this point and Donovan Woods can assume his special team duties.

I think the backup LB's are gonna be Fox and Woods on the inside, Frazier and Arnold Harrison on the outside, with a possibility of keeping Davis if there are 9 LB's on the 53.

wootawnee
08-31-2009, 04:54 PM
I would have to send Davis packing........Cohwer would have spit in his face a few times and benched him for not blocking.......Jerome would have never stood for it.......Krieder would crush dudes............Davis must be buddy buddy with big M.T. is all that I can figure......I don't get it......We need some heart out there and he has not shown any to me.......I wish he would have.......He is a nice guy.......

Then I just was thinking, maybe the game plan is not right for the full backs.....Maybe the power running game we had is gone......I don't know ,but I do know that Tank will take out some backers and clear holes....... I think fresh meat back there is a blessing........Look what that big dude McClain did for the Raven's.....I specifically remember him running over Timmons going into the endzone last season........Davis will never run over Ray Lewis or Suggs......I do not recall him running over anybody yet..........But I think Tank can.........It is worth a shot.......Keep em both just to be sure and let Baily and Bruce Davis go......Our offense needs the extra guys if you ask me.......Fox can help.......Carey did make alot of plays on special teams last year......He knocked dudes out on kickoffs against the Raven's in the afc champ.......

I dont know but I gotta keep tank and get him in the mix first and formost.......

steelersfanman92
08-31-2009, 05:10 PM
But who makes the team first?

Bailey or Davis?...neither?

I would prefer Bailey, but I think that they keep Davis soley on the fact that he was a third round pick.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 05:37 PM
I would prefer Bailey, but I think that they keep Davis soley on the fact that he was a third round pick.

If they keep Davis over Bailey its because he has better chance at playing OLB. Bailey sucks vs the 3rd stringers as an OLB, but is a special teams demon.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 05:39 PM
I believe burnett will make the team over madison, those people that have him listed as PS are wrong. He will never clear waivers, more than likely detroit will pick him up, k.smith and dante will lobby for him. It may take him a year or two like gay, but he has the potential to be a ball hawk, we have seen him be in position and intercept and block a kick. He needs some polishing but can be something special.

I personally would hate to lose burnett for a serviceable interchangeable backup. Just imagine 3 years from now with potential K.Lewis and burnett as corners if they both live up to potential. K.lewis lock down man, and burnett lockdown zone...

Preacher
08-31-2009, 05:53 PM
I believe burnett will make the team over madison, those people that have him listed as PS are wrong. He will never clear waivers, more than likely detroit will pick him up, k.smith and dante will lobby for him. It may take him a year or two like gay, but he has the potential to be a ball hawk, we have seen him be in position and intercept and block a kick. He needs some polishing but can be something special.

I personally would hate to lose burnett for a serviceable interchangeable backup. Just imagine 3 years from now with potential K.Lewis and burnett as corners if they both live up to potential. K.lewis lock down man, and burnett lockdown zone...

That blocked kick may have put him on the 53 man roster. It's hard to tell.

SteelMember
08-31-2009, 06:01 PM
That blocked kick may have put him on the 53 man roster. It's hard to tell.

Exactly.

To take Madison's spot.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 06:13 PM
That blocked kick may have put him on the 53 man roster. It's hard to tell.

it's not just that 1 play, Burnett has shown very good coverage skills for a rookie. FYI - during the last week of camp, Burnett was playing on the 2nd team D ahead of fellow rookie Keenan Lewis

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 06:24 PM
I think the CB's will be Taylor, Townsend, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, Madison. I think the Safeties will be Clark, Polamalu, Carter, Ratliff.

The 2 young CB's stay, Madison is still the ST gunner and both Townsend and Ratliff are in the final year of their contracts.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 06:40 PM
it's not just that 1 play, Burnett has shown very good coverage skills for a rookie. FYI - during the last week of camp, Burnett was playing on the 2nd team D ahead of fellow rookie Keenan Lewis

He also has intercepted Ben several times in training camp. I say he possibly could be better than Asante. I believe we saw less of burnett in last game at PR because we are tying to see what other on the bubble guys could do.

AllD
08-31-2009, 07:47 PM
Burnett is not the best return guy considering he dropped two balls already. He is a good CB and blocked a FG against the Bills which probably kept him from being cut outright. He at least makes the PS.

tony hipchest
08-31-2009, 07:55 PM
i really dont get the calls for burnett getting cut.

ike taylor or william gay were never cut for dropping a kick. then again, they were never good enough to put back there and give it a shot.

didnt hurt their capabilities to be starting cb's for a sb champion team though.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 08:01 PM
i really dont get the calls for burnett getting cut.

ike taylor or william gay were never cut for dropping a kick. then again, they were never good enough to put back there and give it a shot.

didnt hurt their capabilities to be starting cb's for a sb champion team though.

people who think Burnett should get cut don't understand the game

dude can play.....cornerback

Shoes
08-31-2009, 08:06 PM
Burnett is not the best return guy considering he dropped two balls already. He is a good CB and blocked a FG against the Bills which probably kept him from being cut outright. He at least makes the PS.

Seems like a guy named Santonio Holmes fumbled frequently in his first year as a return guy. Burnett is going to be a good one IMO.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 08:27 PM
Burnett is not the best return guy considering he dropped two balls already. He is a good CB and blocked a FG against the Bills which probably kept him from being cut outright. He at least makes the PS.

dropped 2 balls?? nope he fumbled 2 balls, once running into his own man and second getting hit in the gut by a helmet. I never dropped it while receiving the punt. he was also averaging 10 yards a return. Logan is averaging 15 yards on the punt side.

If dropping 2 balls was a requirement to get cut, ben, mendy, holmes, ward, and even bettis would of been cut their first preseason games. Well I guess this fits since most of the armchair managers here believe ben should be traded after every int.

Dude as a corner can play. the one TD pass on him he was turned around early(practice will help that) but it was in the corner perfect pass, even ike taylor would of given that up, and HAS.

He has played better the K.Lewis. in games.

Now those special teams complaining about him as a gunner. He kept his lane and prevented a cutback. Surprisingly that is what should be done.

the rest thinking he will be cut for PS- HE WILL NOT clear the waivers. I know of possible 2 teams- detroit and SD. Detroit has his best friend from UCF and they need a CB. also SD loss their 5th rounder guy and will pick up a cb off of waivers.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 08:57 PM
Dude as a corner can play. the one TD pass on him he was turned around early(practice will help that) but it was in the corner perfect pass, even ike taylor would of given that up, and HAS.

He has played better the K.Lewis. in games.

Now those special teams complaining about him as a gunner. He kept his lane and prevented a cutback. Surprisingly that is what should be done.

the rest thinking he will be cut for PS- HE WILL NOT clear the waivers. I know of possible 2 teams- detroit and SD. Detroit has his best friend from UCF and they need a CB. also SD loss their 5th rounder guy and will pick up a cb off of waivers.

good post and good point on that TD pass. All the idiots were like OMG, Burnett got \burned for a TD! BS, he was in good tight coverage and Wash made a great pass and catch. Sure he didnt make a play on the ball but the coverage was there

since you mentioned Keenan Lewis....ahem, i have been watching this guy closely and he is also impressive but in a different way than Burnett....his physicality is what stands out. I know this statement will break hearts around here but Lewis could be Ryan Clark's replacement at FS.....you heard it here first!

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 11:48 PM
good post and good point on that TD pass. All the idiots were like OMG, Burnett got \burned for a TD! BS, he was in good tight coverage and Wash made a great pass and catch. Sure he didnt make a play on the ball but the coverage was there

since you mentioned Keenan Lewis....ahem, i have been watching this guy closely and he is also impressive but in a different way than Burnett....his physicality is what stands out. I know this statement will break hearts around here but Lewis could be Ryan Clark's replacement at FS.....you heard it here first!

I can see that with Lewis. Burnett can be a steal IMO

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-01-2009, 12:03 AM
Lewis could be Ryan Clark's replacement at FS.....you heard it here first!

Sure, I heard it here first, but I doubt that it happens ever.

Keenan Lewis was drafted to eventually be the replacement for Bryant McFadden or even Ike Taylor. William Gay has played more FS than Lewis. Some say Keenan Lewis wasnt the best CB at Oregon St. but here is what NFL scouts said:

Teammate Brandon Hughes might get more attention, but opponents chose not to throw to Lewis' side of the field, limiting his playmaking opportunities. He was honorable mention All-Pac-10 in 2008 with three interceptions and eight pass breakups

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658

Preacher
09-01-2009, 12:45 AM
Well ElGonz...

That is interesting.. Dropping Gay back into Safety.

I don't know. I REALLY don't want to lose Clark and his hitting ability though.



We HAVE to have the most feared safety tandem in the NFL. Come across the middle on us and you may either be 1. Laid out, 2. Intercepted or 3 both (including forced fumble, right Ravens :wink02: )

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-01-2009, 08:20 AM
Well ElGonz...

That is interesting.. Dropping Gay back into Safety.

I don't know. I REALLY don't want to lose Clark and his hitting ability though.



We HAVE to have the most feared safety tandem in the NFL. Come across the middle on us and you may either be 1. Laid out, 2. Intercepted or 3 both (including forced fumble, right Ravens :wink02: )

I am not an advocate of playing Gay at safety....its just that he has practiced there and can play FS if needed. Position flexibility.

I still think Clark may re-sign after this season, but I honestly am not worried about things if he goes. The sky didnt exactly fall when Chris Hope left for more $$....same is true for Clark.

FacemeIke
09-01-2009, 08:53 AM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger
2. Batch
3. Dixon

Running Back
4. Parker
5. Mendenhall
6. Moore
7. Davis
8. Logan

Wide Receiver
9. Ward
10. Holmes
11. Sweed
12. McDonald (I think McDonald will be our #3 or 4 guy before too long) *ducks*
13. Wallace

Tight End
14. Miller
15. Spaeth
16. Johnson (until McHugh is healthy)

OL
17. Hartwig
18. Starks
19. Colon
20. Kemoeatu
21. Essex
22. Urbik
23. Legursky
24. Hills
25. Foster

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed
27. Sepulveda
28. Warren

Nose Takle
29. Hampton
30. Hoke

D-End
31. Smith
32. Keisel
33. Hood
34. Eason
35. Kirshke

Linebacker
36. Harrison J.
37. Farrior
38. Woodley
39. Timmons
40. Fox
41. Frazier
42. A. Harrison (I've been on his bandwagon for years now)
43. Woods
* Davis may make the team I don't see the hype on Bailey though.

Cornerback
44. Taylor
45. Gay
46. Townsend
47. Burnett
48. Lewis K.
49. Rattliff

Safety
50. Polamalu
51. Clark
52. Carter

#53 For the last roster spot I'm torn between Summers, Redman, Capizzi, Mundy and Bruce Davis. I give it to Redman though because we don't have a true short yardage back.

FacemeIke
09-01-2009, 08:54 AM
Lambert your list has 2 #26s so you still need to drop someone!!! Who are you giving the last pink slip to? I'm assuming Stapleton since he's on IR now.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 08:57 AM
Lambert your list has 2 #26s so you still need to drop someone!!! Who are you giving the last pink slip to? I'm assuming Stapleton since he's on IR now.

Thanks brother...yea, at this point I would HAVE to take Stapleton off....though you did say #26 and "pinkslip" in the same sentence...????? Hmmmmm????

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 08:57 AM
Sure, I heard it here first, but I doubt that it happens ever.

Keenan Lewis was drafted to eventually be the replacement for Bryant McFadden or even Ike Taylor. William Gay has played more FS than Lewis. Some say Keenan Lewis wasnt the best CB at Oregon St. but here is what NFL scouts said:

Teammate Brandon Hughes might get more attention, but opponents chose not to throw to Lewis' side of the field, limiting his playmaking opportunities. He was honorable mention All-Pac-10 in 2008 with three interceptions and eight pass breakups

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658

When has Gay played safety? I dont remember that.

He is starting at corner this year. I'd rather only lose 1 starter instead of 2. Lewis is bigger and more physical.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves but the point is Clark is replaceable just like Chris Hope was

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 09:00 AM
Quarterback
1. Roethlisberger
2. Batch
3. Dixon

Running Back
4. Parker
5. Mendenhall
6. Moore
7. Davis
8. Logan

Wide Receiver
9. Ward
10. Holmes
11. Sweed
12. McDonald (I think McDonald will be our #3 or 4 guy before too long) *ducks*
13. Wallace

Tight End
14. Miller
15. Spaeth
16. Johnson (until McHugh is healthy)

OL
17. Hartwig
18. Starks
19. Colon
20. Kemoeatu
21. Essex
22. Urbik
23. Legursky
24. Hills
25. Foster

Kicker/Punter/LS
26. Reed
27. Sepulveda
28. Warren

Nose Takle
29. Hampton
30. Hoke

D-End
31. Smith
32. Keisel
33. Hood
34. Eason
35. Kirshke

Linebacker
36. Harrison J.
37. Farrior
38. Woodley
39. Timmons
40. Fox
41. Frazier
42. A. Harrison (I've been on his bandwagon for years now)
43. Woods
* Davis may make the team I don't see the hype on Bailey though.

Cornerback
44. Taylor
45. Gay
46. Townsend
47. Burnett
48. Lewis K.
49. Rattliff

Safety
50. Polamalu
51. Clark
52. Carter

#53 For the last roster spot I'm torn between Summers, Redman, Capizzi, Mundy and Bruce Davis. I give it to Redman though because we don't have a true short yardage back.

well done. this should be close to accurate

except I'd replace Kirsche with rookie Sonny Harris

The Lakelander
09-01-2009, 09:05 AM
The Front Office has got to be "all smiles".

This team is absolutely loaded with Corners.

The problem is they all can't make it onto the 53. Some awfully tough cuts are ahead.

Here's their numbers in pre-season:

Ratliff - 10 Tackles - 2 Assists - 1 Sack - 1 Int - 0 Forced Fumbles

R. Lewis - 7 Tackles - 2 Assists - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF

Burnett - 5 Tackles - 2 Assist - 0 Sack - 1 Int - 0 FF

K. Lewis - 5 Tackles - 2 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF

Madison - 1 Tackle - 1 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF

Townsend - 0 Tackles - 0 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF


Without trying to be presumptuous, here's my thoughts:

The Steelers will keep either 5 or 6 corners (likely 6).


Ike and Gay are in.

So is Keenan Lewis.

That leaves Burnett, Ratliff, DeShea, Madison, and Roy Lewis vying for 2 or maybe 3 spots.

Ratliff has very likely played his way onto this team.

So has Roy Lewis, who can play Safety as well.

That leaves DeShea, Burnett and Madison vying for the final (6th) roster spot.

My hunch is that the Steelers, who preach position flexibilty, will keep 6 Corners and only 3 Safeties on this year's roster, with two of the 6 CB's also capable of playing Safety in a pinch (R. Lewis and Deshea).

The odd guy out is Madison. He'll never be a starter and his salary is a liability as a back-up.

The other odd men out are Saftey Ryan Mundy and CB Joe Burnett. Both of these guys would likely be practice squaded.

The other scenario is that we trade either Roy Lewis or Keiwan Ratliff to a team light on CB's, for a future draft pick (Ratliff would make a great deal of sense there). In that scenario, it opens the door for Burnett to make the 53.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 09:20 AM
When has Gay played safety? I dont remember that.

He is starting at corner this year. I'd rather only lose 1 starter instead of 2. Lewis is bigger and more physical.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves but the point is Clark is replaceable just like Chris Hope was

But "position flexibility," as Tomlin calls it, might enable them to keep an extra cornerback at the expense of a backup safety, where the talent is not as strong. Townsend and starting cornerback William Gay also can play safety and Ratliff has played the position in the NFL.
http://2009.steelers.com/article/109067/

Not sure if he has played the position since spot-starting a couple games in college with the Louisville Cardinals

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 09:30 AM
Sure, I heard it here first, but I doubt that it happens ever.

Keenan Lewis was drafted to eventually be the replacement for Bryant McFadden or even Ike Taylor. William Gay has played more FS than Lewis. Some say Keenan Lewis wasnt the best CB at Oregon St. but here is what NFL scouts said:

Teammate Brandon Hughes might get more attention, but opponents chose not to throw to Lewis' side of the field, limiting his playmaking opportunities. He was honorable mention All-Pac-10 in 2008 with three interceptions and eight pass breakups

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658

Hughes is actually the brother of a cop I used to work with. I would have loved to of had him on our team just for the "home-town" connection...but I think at the end of the day, Lewis is going to be a better CB than Hughes.

Neither of them had blinding speed in their pre-draft tryouts...Hughes is faster but Lewis has better skills.

SteelMember
09-01-2009, 09:59 AM
I am not an advocate of playing Gay at safety....its just that he has practiced there and can play FS if needed. Position flexibility.

I still think Clark may re-sign after this season, but I honestly am not worried about things if he goes. The sky didnt exactly fall when Chris Hope left for more $$....same is true for Clark.

This has been said a few times already, and while it may be true, I think our defense really fell off a bit after Hope left. Troy's play inparticular. They had a very good on field relationship that i think has been replaced with Clark.

Some players have a hard time sitting back, playing their positions responsibly and letting troy run wild. i.e. Anthony Smith.

Thanks brother...yea, at this point I would HAVE to take Stapleton off....though you did say #26 and "pinkslip" in the same sentence...????? Hmmmmm????

I think you'd better pick someone else. Deshea will stay. :chuckle:

mmalone
09-01-2009, 10:25 AM
So is Keenan Lewis.

That leaves Burnett, Ratliff, DeShea, Madison, and Roy Lewis vying for 2 or maybe 3 spots.

Ratliff has very likely played his way onto this team.

So has Roy Lewis, who can play Safety as well.

That leaves DeShea, Burnett and Madison vying for the final (6th) roster spot.



Does Keenan have the size and speed needed to be a Safety? he hits like clark.

i think madison is a goner. townsend stays one more year for sure.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 10:40 AM
This has been said a few times already, and while it may be true, I think our defense really fell off a bit after Hope left. Troy's play inparticular. They had a very good on field relationship that i think has been replaced with Clark.

Some players have a hard time sitting back, playing their positions responsibly and letting troy run wild. i.e. Anthony Smith.



I think you'd better pick someone else. Deshea will stay. :chuckle:

I know, I know

..I have him my roster...Just not as big of a fan of Deshea as some...Although in his defense, I like him MUCH more as a backup then as a starter!!!
:chuckle:

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 10:43 AM
Does Keenan have the size and speed needed to be a Safety? he hits like clark.

i think madison is a goner. townsend stays one more year for sure.

Speed isnt near as important at the safety position then as CB...which is why you see some players make the transition from Cornerback to safety but rarely the other way around. That is one of the reasons that Carnell Lake deserves respect for his athletic ability

SteelMember
09-01-2009, 10:49 AM
I know, I know

..I have him my roster...Just not as big of a fan of Deshea as some...Although in his defense, I like him MUCH more as a backup then as a starter!!!
:chuckle:

Believe me, I totally understand that concept, but people have been calling for Deshea to be replaced/cut for awhile, and he still shows he's up to the task. You gotta love the guys heart.

and I agree. he's better served now as the nickel/backup CB. :thumbsup:

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 11:34 AM
Does Keenan have the size and speed needed to be a Safety? he hits like clark.


yup. he's listed at 6'1" 196 lbs. he can easily add 10+ lbs of muscle by next season

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 11:36 AM
Believe me, I totally understand that concept, but people have been calling for Deshea to be replaced/cut for awhile, and he still shows he's up to the task. You gotta love the guys heart.

and I agree. he's better served now as the nickel/backup CB. :thumbsup:

Deshea is perfect for the nickel back role and he will be our nickelback this year

He was always stronger at defending the slot receiver rather than being on the outside

And he has come down with clutch plays throughout his career

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 12:11 PM
Believe me, I totally understand that concept, but people have been calling for Deshea to be replaced/cut for awhile, and he still shows he's up to the task. You gotta love the guys heart.

and I agree. he's better served now as the nickel/backup CB. :thumbsup:

Agreed...he has lost a step and Nickel is more suited for his ability. With Raitliff signed I would prefer that the Nickel slot be given to a younger, cheaper player, but I cant deny that Deshea knows the system and playes the nickel well.

Steely McSmash
09-01-2009, 12:32 PM
Couple comments:

There are a lot of calls for keeping Sonny Harris. I haven't seen anything crazy good from him. What have I missed? just speculation about 3-4 personnel shortages elsewhere (Ryan McBean effect)?

Same question for Ratliff -- I haven't seen him defend passes in the air so much as he's there to make the tackle.

Need to consider where to carry dead weight in terms of developmental draft picks. when looking at the roster breakdown.

Urbik will be dead weight.

Hood will be dead weight early on I think. Same for Harris. DE needs 4 guys who can play + 1-2 dead weight

K. Lewis will be dead weight for half of the season, Same for Burnett if kept.

DB roster needs to be able to play 6 for dime pkg, 8 starter quality guys needed. Note that 2 contracts are up next year and Townsend is old. I think Clark will re-sign but we need to keep options open.

I think we need a thumper at RB to be gameday active - I carried Redmond for this although he's a little raw.

LB corps does not need to carry dead weight -- can go with 8 perhaps. Tough call for last LB spot between A Harrison, B. Davis, P. Bailey. B Davis might be the best down the road, Harrison might be the best right now but could be considered injury prone, Bailley was rookie of the year but is mostly a ST player -- still has upside though. Davis looked pretty good during my camp visit this year.

It's tempting to put the UDFA DT on the PS to see if he could develop into a starter.

My roster:
ST: 3 (usual suspects)
Offense 26
QB :3 (usual suspects) (1 inactive)
RB: 5 FWP,Mendenhall, Memo, Redmond, Logan
TE: 3 Miller, Spaeth, Johnson
OL: 10 Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Essex, Colon ,Legursky, Hills (3 Inactive: Foster, Urbik, Capizzi)
WR: 5 Ward, Holmes, Sweed, McDonald, Wallace, (logan in case of emergency) (1 inactive)

DT 2 (usual suspects)
DE 5 Keisel, Smith, Eason, Kirschke, Hood (1 inactive)
LB 8 Harrison, Woodley, Farrior, Timmons, Fox, Woods, Frazier, A. Harrison (1 inactive A. Harrison)
DB:9 Taylor, Gay, Townsend, Polamalu, Clark, Carter, K. Lewis, Ratliff, Burnett (1 inactive K. Lewis Inactive)

PS: C-Shipley, DE-Harris, CB/S - R. Lewis, S -Mundy, RB-Summers, QB-M. Reilly,WR-Grisham, LB-Bailey

IR: Stapleton, McHugh

Starting life's work: A. Madison, B.Davis, Sherrod, Paxson,

SteelMember
09-01-2009, 02:57 PM
Wow. :doh:

Dead Weight.

I'll save this for someone else. I'm at a total loss from sheer amazement.

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 03:05 PM
Wow. :doh:

Dead Weight.

I'll save this for someone else. I'm at a total loss from sheer amazement.

I think we are carrying a lot of dead weight on this forum

Preacher
09-01-2009, 03:08 PM
Wow. :doh:

Dead Weight.

I'll save this for someone else. I'm at a total loss from sheer amazement.

I think the concept he was going for is dead weight FOR THIS YEAR. People that we need to keep on the 53 man roster, but probably won't contribute much THIS YEAR.

I think he is wrong. I see a number of them contributing.

feuerstarta
09-01-2009, 03:32 PM
The Front Office has got to be "all smiles".

This team is absolutely loaded with Corners.

The problem is they all can't make it onto the 53. Some awfully tough cuts are ahead.

Here's their numbers in pre-season: My Updates in RED

Ratliff - 10 Tackles - 2 Assists - 1 Sack - 1 Int - 0 Forced Fumbles -1 Pass Defended

R. Lewis - 8 Tackles - 2 Assists - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF - 0 PD

Burnett - 6 Tackles - 2 Assist - 0 Sack - 1 Int - 0 FF - 3 PD

K. Lewis - 6 Tackles - 2 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF -1 PD

Madison - 1 Tackle - 1 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF -0 PD

Townsend - 0 Tackles - 0 Assist - 0 Sack - 0 Int - 0 FF -1 PD




Pass Defended means that the player actually got his hand on the ball and stopped the pass from being completed. This is a very important stat, just like int. I like that stat better than tackles because tackles mean your letting the guy get yards.

Madison maybe a good gunner, but CB wise he does not break up the pass well.

Burnett has the most PD in the preseason. You know that that means guys? If not for a very good throw he will make you pay. The more times he gets his hands on the ball that means more chances at INT. The QBs are trying him but are failing. Also if you guys pay attention to the games Burnett has also been rotated to nickel late game and at clarks safety position as well.

But by looking at these stats Madison is the man gone.

The Lakelander
09-01-2009, 03:36 PM
Thanks feuerstarta. :thumbsup:

Nice insight!

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 03:43 PM
I think we are carrying a lot of dead weight on this forum

Hopefully not for long.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Pass Defended means that the player actually got his hand on the ball and stopped the pass from being completed. This is a very important stat, just like int. I like that stat better than tackles because tackles mean your letting the guy get yards.

Madison maybe a good gunner, but CB wise he does not break up the pass well.

Burnett has the most PD in the preseason. You know that that means guys? If not for a very good throw he will make you pay. The more times he gets his hands on the ball that means more chances at INT. The QBs are trying him but are failing. Also if you guys pay attention to the games Burnett has also been rotated to nickel late game and at clarks safety position as well.

But by looking at these stats Madison is the man gone.

Very nice stats. Thank you.

I still think Madison has a chance to stay with the team based on his ST ability...Tomlin knows what he has with Madison. It was the same as he had last year and Tomlin kept him to keep out ST strong.

I agree he is a situational player, and might not contribute as a CB...but I dont think we can throw out any players ST value without replacing that ability with someone else....sooooo the question would be...If Madison is cut , who on our roster becomes the gunner on ST? If we have a legit replacement...then Madison is definately gone.

feuerstarta
09-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Well Burnett can take place of gunner. He keeps his lane quite well and prevents the cutback.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Well Burnett can take place of gunner. He keeps his lane quite well and prevents the cutback.

I would have to see if he has the "cajones" to be a gunner...Not saying he can't...just saying that it takes a certain "recklessness" to play the position.

Personally I would love to see some of the younger players show they have that mentality...especially in a player that will see some time at CB.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-01-2009, 05:19 PM
yup. he's listed at 6'1" 196 lbs. he can easily add 10+ lbs of muscle by next season

Actually, the Steelers site and NFL.com has Keenan Lewis at 6'0", 208lbs. But he finished the season at Oregon St at 191 lbs. My guess is that he has put on too much weight right now and it hampers his quickness.

The kid looked really quick and smooth playing corner at the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama, now he looks a bit more bulky to me. I still think Keenan Lewis will be the Steelers #3 CB in 2010.

Steely McSmash
09-01-2009, 09:06 PM
I think the concept he was going for is dead weight FOR THIS YEAR. People that we need to keep on the 53 man roster, but probably won't contribute much THIS YEAR.

I think he is wrong. I see a number of them contributing.

Touchy Touchy!

The bar for Sheer amazement is pretty low these days I guess.:jawdrop:

These guys not contributing, particularly early in the season is exactly what I meant.

I don't see Urbik or K. Lewis active at all for 5 weeks at least. Hood might be a situational rusher when they do 2 D-linemen, Burnett would presumably play ST.

My point is that you wouldn't want to count these guys as a backup who's likely to play such as Fox, Eason, Kirschke etc.

truesteelerfan
09-01-2009, 10:25 PM
Thanks for the years of service Townsend, but maybe its time to move on without him and his contract. if we have some servicable rookies, it may be their time to play on nickel and dimes.