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Steelboy84
08-31-2009, 08:50 AM
Who is your bet for our starting kick returner?

pitt
08-31-2009, 09:06 AM
Logan

Youngstown Steeler
08-31-2009, 09:12 AM
I think Logan. He's been electrifying.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 09:13 AM
Logan

let Wallace concentrate on being a receiver

CanadianSteel
08-31-2009, 09:14 AM
Logans run......

KeiselPower99
08-31-2009, 09:16 AM
What about both of em?

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 09:17 AM
What about both of em?

they only kickoff 1 ball

:chuckle:

stlrtruck
08-31-2009, 09:24 AM
I say Logan but why not have the double threat back there?

The_WARDen
08-31-2009, 09:28 AM
Wallace. He can do something else besides return kicks.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 09:33 AM
they only kickoff 1 ball

:chuckle:

I think he means use one as the "R" man and one as the "M".

mmalone
08-31-2009, 09:36 AM
Wallace. He can do something else besides return kicks.

if that was a big issue, wouldnt they have tried logan at RB and WR a bit more?

i dont think it matters for logan he either the KR/PR or hes out.

wallace will be the 5th receiver.

mcdonald will be #4

wallace and moore will be the backup returners.
:thumbsup:

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 09:37 AM
What about both of em?

Might not be a bad idea...Logan would be the "R" man in the back and they could put Wallace at "M" in the middle if he can block at all. Wallace would still get opportunities to run on shorter kicks.

The_WARDen
08-31-2009, 09:38 AM
if that was a big issue, wouldnt they have tried logan at RB and WR a bit more?

i dont think it matters for logan he either the KR/PR or hes out.

wallace will be the 5th receiver.

mcdonald will be #4

wallace and moore will be the backup returners.
:thumbsup:

I'm just saying that if it comes down to numbers game, the guy who can do something other than return kicks will get the nod cause he will have a roster spot.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 09:46 AM
I think he means use one as the "R" man and one as the "M".

neither Logan or Wallace can block worth a damn though

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 09:47 AM
I think Mike Wallace is a kickoff return man, but not a punt returner, much in the way Will Blackwell was in the past.

I see Logan making the team as the punt return specialist and reserve RB, while Wallace is gonna be the #4 WR and return kickoffs. Could see both of them there on kickoff returns.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 09:50 AM
neither Logan or Wallace can block worth a damn though

How do you know?? Have you seen either of them blocking on a kickoff return??

Logan is an all purpose guy like Mewelde Moore that will do anything asked of him. Wallace is a willing blocker too and either is capable of leading a return man to either side of a wedge on kickoff returns.

Would I line either of them up in the backfield as a FB......NO, but they can do it on special teams fine.

Kvnfaber
08-31-2009, 09:55 AM
Is there video of Logan's 27 yd return Saturday somewhere? I missed the 2nd half and didn't see it on the NFL.com videos or anywhere else.

Anyways, I think Logan will be back there week one for KR's and PR's.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 09:59 AM
How do you know?? Have you seen either of them blocking on a kickoff return??

Logan is an all purpose guy like Mewelde Moore that will do anything asked of him. Wallace is a willing blocker too and either is capable of leading a return man to either side of a wedge on kickoff returns.

Would I line either of them up in the backfield as a FB......NO, but they can do it on special teams fine.

lol, relax bro

your idea seems like a good one but if it's so good, why haven't they tried it yet

Logan can't block, he is too small

Wallace is a rookie and may develop into a good blocker one day but he's not there yet.....see Ben's scrambling pass to Miller on Sat. night. Wallace had a clear wide open crack back block on the only defender between Miller and the endzone and he did nothing

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 10:03 AM
How do you know?? Have you seen either of them blocking on a kickoff return??

Logan is an all purpose guy like Mewelde Moore that will do anything asked of him. Wallace is a willing blocker too and either is capable of leading a return man to either side of a wedge on kickoff returns.

Would I line either of them up in the backfield as a FB......NO, but they can do it on special teams fine.

Exactly....and Ward has been working with Wallace.


One of the biggest changes from college to the NFL for rookie Mike Wallace is the way that the wide receivers are asked to block in the Steelers offensive scheme.
At Mississippi he had blocking assignments, but nothing like what he is called upon to do with the Steelers
"Blocking is wanting to. There isn’t anything I can teach,” said Ward. “You either want to do it or you don’t. He is coming along. .... Here we emphasize it. He is having a better understanding of that."

If Ward says he is coming along as a blocker...I am inclined to agree.

....

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 10:05 AM
Is there video of Logan's 27 yd return Saturday somewhere? I missed the 2nd half and didn't see it on the NFL.com videos or anywhere else.

Anyways, I think Logan will be back there week one for KR's and PR's.

Logan did a good job returning on Saturday. He had to fair catch a lot of them

His 27 yd return wasn't that special. He just ran straight up-field, there were no defenders in his way for some reason

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 10:06 AM
lol, relax bro

your idea seems like a good one but if it's so good, why haven't they tried it yet

Logan can't block, he is too small

Wallace is a rookie and may develop into a good blocker one day but he's not there yet.....see Ben's scrambling pass to Miller on Sat. night. Wallace had a clear wide open crack back block on the only defender between Miller and the endzone and he did nothing

Its easier to kick return block then it is to block as a WR. Your assignment for blocking is more arbitrary as a WR depending on how the defense reacts...whereas as a ST'er on kick returns you have an assignment and a full head of steam.

Psyychoward86
08-31-2009, 10:15 AM
Lol. 19-1? I thought it would be a little closer. Well, i'd take Logan too. I want Wallace to focus on being a good slot receiver for us. And I think Logan is a more potent return man anyways.

Kvnfaber
08-31-2009, 10:24 AM
Logan did a good job returning on Saturday. He had to fair catch a lot of them

His 27 yd return wasn't that special. He just ran straight up-field, there were no defenders in his way for some reason

Ah, ok-Thanks. It's good to see him fair catch too, being smart about it is as important a part as being a shifty runner. Especially since there were no fair catches in the CFL. More fumbles are caused because of pressure at the point of the catch than anything.

ocbubba
08-31-2009, 10:24 AM
I like Logan...sure hands...can hide behind leading blockers...has speed & quickness to get through the holes. Wallace may get there, but for now I think Logan will get the job.

headymessman86
08-31-2009, 10:27 AM
Wallace can play WR at least. I'm not even sure what Logan can do other than return kicks and punts.
Let him return kickoffs and punts until the wheels fall off.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 10:28 AM
Ah, ok-Thanks. It's good to see him fair catch too, being smart about it is as important a part as being a shifty runner. Especially since there were no fair catches in the CFL. More fumbles are caused because of pressure at the point of the catch than anything.

Yeah, you could tell he didn't want to fair-catch them but did anyways because it was the smart play

He also caught a nice one on the move that was a wobbler...many would have fumbled it

pancake
08-31-2009, 10:38 AM
From what I have seen in preseason, Logan is clearly the best returner we have.

I wouldn't mind seeing Logan get some offensive plays somewhere down the road. Maybe a screen pass or a bubble screen.

fansince'76
08-31-2009, 10:45 AM
Gary Russell! :chuckle:

Psyychoward86
08-31-2009, 11:23 AM
Who voted for Wallace????

Steel_Bus_24
08-31-2009, 11:47 AM
either way its a great problem to have

Im so glad I won't have to worry about Holmes getting killed out there on those....though he activated beast mode in the payoffs

jjpro11
08-31-2009, 12:06 PM
Logan is the most explosive returner we've had that I can remember.. ARE was quick and shifty as hell. Logan has that explosive acceleration in him that makes him so dangerous.

SteelMember
08-31-2009, 02:28 PM
They might both very well be on the field for kickoffs, but Logan will definately be the punt returner.

AllD
08-31-2009, 02:41 PM
Don't forget the idea is to protect Holmes. He was the only one who did anything with returns last season and he doesn't need to be sacrificed on STs.

Texasteel
08-31-2009, 02:50 PM
I would get the ball in Logan's hand as often as possible.

memphissteelergirl
08-31-2009, 02:55 PM
I'm lovin' Logan! :thumbsup:

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 02:57 PM
Opening kickoff against the Titans, Logan takes it all the way!

SteelMember
08-31-2009, 02:58 PM
http://www1.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/logansquare/movies/logan.jpg

sherlock
08-31-2009, 03:05 PM
I think Mike Wallace is a kickoff return man, but not a punt returner, much in the way Will Blackwell was in the past.

I see Logan making the team as the punt return specialist and reserve RB, while Wallace is gonna be the #4 WR and return kickoffs. Could see both of them there on kickoff returns.

Gonzo,Another display of ignorance on my part,but would you mind explaining the difference between a kickoff and punt return man.
It`s something I`d never considered before.

StainlessStill
08-31-2009, 03:54 PM
When was the last time we had a great problem like this as far as Special teams was concerned? Looks like Wallace will be the specialist on kick return since he got most work there, and Logan will handle the punting duties. Might as very well be both of them back there since they won't have too much of a significance in the Offense, even though Wallace might be out there on 4-5 receiver sets in a sub package.

This pre-season is dragging BALLLLLS. It's time, ladies and gentleman.

StainlessStill
08-31-2009, 03:55 PM
I think Mike Wallace is a kickoff return man, but not a punt returner, much in the way Will Blackwell was in the past.

I see Logan making the team as the punt return specialist and reserve RB, while Wallace is gonna be the #4 WR and return kickoffs. Could see both of them there on kickoff returns.

Pretty much what I was thinking, Gonzo!

steelreserve
08-31-2009, 04:08 PM
I'd go with Logan if I had to choose.

But I'm pretty sure I remember us having two deep men back at the goal line for most of last year, so I might not have to choose.

But Logan and Wallace is sure a hell of an upgrade over Russell and Carey Davis. Just thinking about that makes me laugh.

Edman
08-31-2009, 04:49 PM
Steelers special teams has a need for SWEEEED.:chuckle:

Naw Seriously, Stefan Logan.

I'm sick of waiting. I want the season to start so we can kick some Tittie ass!

Hotrodder07
08-31-2009, 04:55 PM
Logan for sure. Mike Wallace just hasn't shown the explosiveness that Logan has. That said, I'm sure Mike Wallace will be a capable backup if something should happen to Logan.

sharkweek
08-31-2009, 05:42 PM
I'm not sure explosiveness is the correct term here, Wallace is damned fast, the difference thus far seems to be experience and field awareness - Logan has thus far displayed an uncanny ability to find (and even create) the openings in the coverage down the field.

Preacher
08-31-2009, 06:30 PM
Gonzo,Another display of ignorance on my part,but would you mind explaining the difference between a kickoff and punt return man.
It`s something I`d never considered before.

I'm not El G. But since he hasn't gotten back here yet, I'll take a shot at it.

In general, there isn't much difference. They both take kicks from teh other team and return them up the field.

However, it is the methods that are very different.

A punt returner has the ability to call for a fair catch, thus ending the play as he catches the ball. Furthermore, he can allow the ball to bounce into the endzone and have it be called a touchback... which puts the ball on the 20 yard line for the offense... and that also ends to play. Unless the punt returner or another person on his team touch the ball, the team that is punting the ball cannot recover it... or the play is dead at the spot they touch it. As a result, the punt returner has to be able to make quick decisions. He also has to be able to dodge players come at him. Often times, the punt returner has to catch the ball with an opposing player right in his face (actually, I think there is a yard or so that they have to stay back). So in short, he has to make quick decisions, have sure hands, and not be rattled.

A kick returner almost ALWAYS has to handle the ball, as the ball is live (any team that recovers it keeps it, much like in Rugby). The only decisions he has to make concerning the ball is 1. Does he let it go out of bounds (a BIG penalty against the kicking team) or catch it (dangerous choice, because if it bounces wrong and he is not fast enough, the opposing team can get the ball if they have ran down fast enough). 2. If he is in the endzone, does he run out, or take a knee... which again puts the ball at the 20 yard line. ALSO, he has to make a decsions on how the blockers are playing... which seam to hit that will give him the biggest return. For a punter, usually if you can make the first guy miss, you just take off running to open grass down the field.

The punt returner and kick returner also have different kinds of blocking in front of them, which means the kick returner needs to be fast enough in able to take advantage of the blocking schemes.

SO to put it succinctly, the punt returner has many more decisions to make. The kick returner can usually have the ability to gain more yards, and thus has to be able to read blocks very well.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
08-31-2009, 07:06 PM
yeah, simply put, a kick returner has a lot more open field in front of him.

Shoes
08-31-2009, 07:10 PM
Gary Russell! :chuckle:

:toofunny::toofunny:

steeltheone
08-31-2009, 07:12 PM
Logan ...Logan...Logan He has earned it!

steeltheone
08-31-2009, 07:14 PM
:toofunny::toofunny:

Gary Russell did a fine job for us...No fumbles and a good short yardage back.

Shoes
08-31-2009, 07:27 PM
Gary Russell did a fine job for us...No fumbles and a good short yardage back.

We are talking kick returner...not short yardage.

Psyychoward86
08-31-2009, 09:04 PM
Don't forget the idea is to protect Holmes. He was the only one who did anything with returns last season and he doesn't need to be sacrificed on STs.

Yeah i agree. Relieving Holmes and Wallace of any return duties will let them concentrate more on being the best receiver possible. Nothing wrong with having Logan exclusively as a return specialist if he's damn good at it.

HometownGal
08-31-2009, 09:06 PM
Logan

let Wallace concentrate on being a receiver

BINGO. :thumbsup:

sherlock
09-01-2009, 12:50 AM
I'm not El G. But since he hasn't gotten back here yet, I'll take a shot at it.

In general, there isn't much difference. They both take kicks from teh other team and return them up the field.

However, it is the methods that are very different.

A punt returner has the ability to call for a fair catch, thus ending the play as he catches the ball. Furthermore, he can allow the ball to bounce into the endzone and have it be called a touchback... which puts the ball on the 20 yard line for the offense... and that also ends to play. Unless the punt returner or another person on his team touch the ball, the team that is punting the ball cannot recover it... or the play is dead at the spot they touch it. As a result, the punt returner has to be able to make quick decisions. He also has to be able to dodge players come at him. Often times, the punt returner has to catch the ball with an opposing player right in his face (actually, I think there is a yard or so that they have to stay back). So in short, he has to make quick decisions, have sure hands, and not be rattled.

A kick returner almost ALWAYS has to handle the ball, as the ball is live (any team that recovers it keeps it, much like in Rugby). The only decisions he has to make concerning the ball is 1. Does he let it go out of bounds (a BIG penalty against the kicking team) or catch it (dangerous choice, because if it bounces wrong and he is not fast enough, the opposing team can get the ball if they have ran down fast enough). 2. If he is in the endzone, does he run out, or take a knee... which again puts the ball at the 20 yard line. ALSO, he has to make a decsions on how the blockers are playing... which seam to hit that will give him the biggest return. For a punter, usually if you can make the first guy miss, you just take off running to open grass down the field.

The punt returner and kick returner also have different kinds of blocking in front of them, which means the kick returner needs to be fast enough in able to take advantage of the blocking schemes.

SO to put it succinctly, the punt returner has many more decisions to make. The kick returner can usually have the ability to gain more yards, and thus has to be able to read blocks very well.

Thanks very much Preacher...That answered a lot of uncertainties I`ve had.I think my problem is that I`ve never played the game so that many of the basics that most of you have known since you were kids are pretty much unknown to me.
Last season the Steelers seemed to use a number of different kickoff/punt returners.......Holmes,Moore,Russell,Davis even Davenport that I can think of,certainly more than most other teams seemed to use.
In case anyone hasn`t seen it there`s a great video analysis of Holmes` punt return td against the Chargers last season.Tomlin,amongst others explains the play!
http://steelers.fandome.com/video/108500/Inside-Santonio-Holmes-Playoff-Punt-Return-TD/

stb_steeler
09-01-2009, 01:02 AM
Logan will give us the short field for the offense. witch will help BIG TIME!

Galax Steeler
09-01-2009, 05:34 AM
It has to be Logan the man has the speed and moves to take it all the way when he touches it.

SteelersHoss
09-01-2009, 09:33 AM
Wallace. He can do something else besides return kicks.

Logan can as well. Last year up here in Canada, he over 1300 all purpose yards. He can catch the ball as well as run.

Psyychoward86
09-01-2009, 10:24 AM
I'm just saying that if it comes down to numbers game, the guy who can do something other than return kicks will get the nod cause he will have a roster spot.

It's not a matter of who's more versatile, but who's actually best at returning kicks...We're all lovin' Wallace right now, but most of us want him to concentrate on being a slot receiver. Can i get an amen? :flap:

mmalone
09-01-2009, 10:27 AM
Logan will give us the short field for the offense. witch will help BIG TIME!

maybe they will play him in that RB role thursday....

it would be nice to see.

devilsdancefloor
09-01-2009, 11:09 AM
I'd go with Logan if I had to choose.

But I'm pretty sure I remember us having two deep men back at the goal line for most of last year, so I might not have to choose.

But Logan and Wallace is sure a hell of an upgrade over Russell and Carey Davis. Just thinking about that makes me laugh.

Man dookie gets no love from you? :flap:

devilsdancefloor
09-01-2009, 11:11 AM
maybe they will play him in that RB role thursday....

it would be nice to see.

i agree id love to see what kind of 3rd down back he could be....

The Lakelander
09-01-2009, 11:16 AM
wallace will be the 5th receiver.

mcdonald will be #4




I'm not buying this theory quite yet.

I think the Steelers are awfully impressed with Wallace's ability to stretch the defense.

Plus, Wallace has fought for and successfully come down with several balls thrown in traffic this pre-season.

This kid is fast.

This kid is aggressive.

This kid is tough.

What a fantastic draft pick ... !!!

Wallace is going to see the field quite a bit in this offense.

mmalone
09-01-2009, 12:04 PM
I'm not buying this theory quite yet.

I think the Steelers are awfully impressed with Wallace's ability to stretch the defense.

Plus, Wallace has fought for and successfully come down with several balls thrown in traffic this pre-season.

This kid is fast.

This kid is aggressive.

This kid is tough.

What a fantastic draft pick ... !!!

Wallace is going to see the field quite a bit in this offense.

I think we need a short pass game to get ben to stay on his feet and keep the defense honest..

i think mcdonald and ward can tear the D's up on the short field stuff.... they both have great hands.

but either way, we have 5 great receivers with all kinds of play options.

hopefully we utilize each of them to their full potential.

AllD
09-01-2009, 01:02 PM
Not to mention throwing out of the backfield has not been better since the days of Slash.

Steelboy84
09-02-2009, 09:24 AM
I think we need a short pass game to get ben to stay on his feet and keep the defense honest..

i think mcdonald and ward can tear the D's up on the short field stuff.... they both have great hands.

but either way, we have 5 great receivers with all kinds of play options.

hopefully we utilize each of them to their full potential.

Yes, I agree. I expect Holmes and Sweed to have big years and Wallace will break out as well. Ward will do his thing.

:tt03:

Steelboy84
09-02-2009, 09:25 AM
I think Stefan Logan will be our kick returner as well.

mmalone
09-02-2009, 09:40 AM
I think Stefan Logan will be our kick returner as well.

Logan is looking like the best available player for that position.

Wallace and Moore as #2 and #3

stb_steeler
09-02-2009, 11:27 PM
maybe they will play him in that RB role thursday....

it would be nice to see. Yeah i heard Tomlin wants to see some more out of him in the Panthers game. Hopefully we see a bunch.