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Fire Haley
08-31-2009, 02:29 PM
Stapleton on injured reserve; Steelers cut 4 others
Monday, August 31, 2009
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers today placed offensive lineman Darnell Stapleton on injured reserve, ending his season. They also released four players: center Alex Stepanovich, wide receivers Martin Nance and Steven Black and safety Derrick Richardson.

Stapleton became their starting right guard last season after an early injury to Kendall Simmons. Stapleton moved over to center to start training camp when Justin Hartwig reported with a broken big toe.

However, one week into camp, Stapleton stopped practicing because of a knee problem. He had arthroscopic surgery to remove loose cartilage, which was supposed to sideline him for about three or four weeks.

Trai Essex, in the meantime, had taken over at right guard and Hartwig has since returned to assume his position at center.


http://postgazette.com/pg/09243/994489-66.stm#ixzz0PmpjBfGi[/url]

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That was easy.

LVSteelersfan
08-31-2009, 02:31 PM
I figured Nance was a goner. Someone will pick him up. Ravens, Titans need WRs. They can have our castoffs.

mmalone
08-31-2009, 02:32 PM
That works... so far..

7willBheaven
08-31-2009, 02:34 PM
WOW OMG, NO WAY! haha....

nothing shocking there. And i think the titans are much better WR wise this year, they still have Gage/etc, and they add Nate and drafted Britt, i think they will be ok...they dont need anymore help! haha

Vis
08-31-2009, 02:34 PM
no surprises

Psyychoward86
08-31-2009, 02:46 PM
Nothin interesting yet.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-31-2009, 02:53 PM
With our depth at WR I knew that Nance and Black were gone...but thought they might make it to the second cut...Richardson surprised me a little...he was a stud in college and I thought there was an outside chance he might make the PS.

I forgot to consider the fact that Stapleton going on IR, would count as one of our cuts.

SteelMember
08-31-2009, 02:54 PM
While I don't see anything glaring for the cuts, I am, however suprised at Stapleton to the IR. I thought they would keep him on the inactive until he could get back. This says to me either the injury was more serious than the "cleanup" reported, or Legursky played good enough for them not to hold that spot.

Sorry about your guy Tony. (Richardson) He really needed to get involved around the ball a lot more to show his "thump".

SunshineMan21
08-31-2009, 03:00 PM
Huh, not really too surprising. Stepanovich looked terrible, and the other guys didn't do too much to distinguish themselves.

Interesting that Stapleton is on IR . . . I would guess this means that Foster has made it?

Fire Haley
08-31-2009, 03:05 PM
I am, however suprised at Stapleton to the IR. I thought they would keep him on the inactive until he could get back..

That would have used up a 53 man roster spot they could use for....

say it with me

Stefan Logan!

SteelMember
08-31-2009, 03:08 PM
That would have used up a 53 man roster spot they could use for....

say it with me

Stefan Logan!

Believe me....I'm with you.

I just thought it would be a guy like Bruce Davis. :noidea:

pancake
08-31-2009, 03:09 PM
That would have used up a 53 man roster spot they could use for....

say it with me

Stefan Logan!

:thumbsup::tt::thumbsup:

StainlessStill
08-31-2009, 03:29 PM
Our new impact player= Stefan Logan. Going to be electrifying to see our punt return. :tt02:

Fire Haley
08-31-2009, 03:51 PM
It'll be the next round when all hell breaks loose as people's pet players get the axe.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 03:55 PM
It'll be the next round when all hell breaks loose as people's pet players get the axe.

true. and very sad. i don't like people that insist on bashing a steelers player just to pump up another player they like better

Kaeg
08-31-2009, 04:26 PM
I was kinda pulling for Nance. What with Ben seeming to be behind him last year and all. But I don't suppose it was a shock, either.

SteelTalons
08-31-2009, 04:29 PM
It'll be the next round when all hell breaks loose as people's pet players get the axe.

Re-Re-Redman? :crying02: :flap:

Fire Haley
08-31-2009, 04:32 PM
Redman vs. Tank - only one comes out alive

steeltheone
08-31-2009, 04:36 PM
WOW OMG, NO WAY! haha....

nothing shocking there. And i think the titans are much better WR wise this year, they still have Gage/etc, and they add Nate and drafted Britt, i think they will be ok...they dont need anymore help! haha

Nates nothing more than 3rd reciever and a average one at best...:rofl::rofl:

Steelboy84
08-31-2009, 04:53 PM
Aw man, not another hurt lineman. Now Essex needs to step up big time.

redst3
08-31-2009, 06:37 PM
I'm with Logan...a little man with some big plays

Preacher
08-31-2009, 06:39 PM
That would have used up a 53 man roster spot they could use for....

say it with me

Stefan Logan!

Bingo!

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 06:40 PM
Redman vs. Tank - only one comes out alive

I'm thinking that both will get cut, but one will make it to the PS. My guess is that Tank makes the PS.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 06:43 PM
I'm thinking that both will get cut, but one will make it to the PS. My guess is that Tank makes the PS.

I agree with that statement.

sharkweek
08-31-2009, 06:47 PM
That would have used up a 53 man roster spot they could use for....

say it with me

Stefan Logan!

I think he would have made the team regardless of whether or not Stapleton was on IR.

Preacher
08-31-2009, 06:50 PM
I think he would have made the team regardless of whether or not Stapleton was on IR.
But they needed to make room for him.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 07:18 PM
But they needed to make room for him.

I dont think that was the case. They could have easily cut Ramon Foster and/or Capizzi, or Kirschke, or, Mundy, etc. to make room for Logan.

Its not likely that the Steelers are gonna cut their only reserve interior O lineman with NFL playing experience to strictly make room for a kick returner. Stapleton probably wasnt gonna recover as expected and they think Legursky is better anyways.

Preacher
08-31-2009, 07:36 PM
I dont think that was the case. They could have easily cut Ramon Foster and/or Capizzi, or Kirschke, or, Mundy, etc. to make room for Logan.

Its not likely that the Steelers are gonna cut their only reserve interior O lineman with NFL playing experience to strictly make room for a kick returner. Stapleton probably wasnt gonna recover as expected and they think Legursky is better anyways.

My point was everything else being equal... The Logan situation pushed them to this decision IMO. It is the best thing. It keeps Stapleton around next spring so they can take a look at him and then make a decision. AND it allows Logan to play. It also clears a little bit of room for the cap... that "just in case space" that teams always need.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 07:45 PM
My point was everything else being equal... The Logan situation pushed them to this decision IMO. It is the best thing. It keeps Stapleton around next spring so they can take a look at him and then make a decision. AND it allows Logan to play. It also clears a little bit of room for the cap... that "just in case space" that teams always need.

Nope the steelers have been planning on putting Stapleton on IR. Since Stapleton is not an invested veteran yet to put him on IR before first rounds of cuts meant we had to put him on waivers first. At that point I don't think he would of passed waivers, especially after what the jags did to the browns with their player this year.

tony hipchest
08-31-2009, 08:17 PM
Nates nothing more than 3rd reciever and a average one at best...:rofl::rofl:actually, statistically, nate has been one of the top #3 wr's in the league for the past 2 seasons. reports are he was doin real well for the titans, and was going to be a weapon they desperately needed.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2009, 08:26 PM
My point was everything else being equal... The Logan situation pushed them to this decision IMO. It is the best thing. It keeps Stapleton around next spring so they can take a look at him and then make a decision. AND it allows Logan to play. It also clears a little bit of room for the cap... that "just in case space" that teams always need.

I dont think you can cut a guy who has an injury without having a grievance filed by the NFLPA, so that is why Stapleton was put on IR and not just cut.

If they cut Logan and decided to go with Burnett and Wallace as the return men....they still have no reason to keep Stapleton around if he isnt gonna be healthy to help the team.

feuerstarta
08-31-2009, 09:38 PM
I dont think you can cut a guy who has an injury without having a grievance filed by the NFLPA, so that is why Stapleton was put on IR and not just cut.

If they cut Logan and decided to go with Burnett and Wallace as the return men....they still have no reason to keep Stapleton around if he isnt gonna be healthy to help the team.

You can cut a player with an injury and without a grievance filing. You would have to pay them a severance fee and him signing a waiver to grievance.

and as I said earlier, they like him but since he is not a vested veteran they would of had to put him on waivers before the first cut before putting him on IR.

HometownGal
08-31-2009, 10:15 PM
Nothing shocking here.

Whiz will probably pick up a couple of our castoffs just for shits and giggles.

Steel Head
08-31-2009, 10:30 PM
My point was everything else being equal... The Logan situation pushed them to this decision IMO. It is the best thing. It keeps Stapleton around next spring so they can take a look at him and then make a decision. AND it allows Logan to play. It also clears a little bit of room for the cap... that "just in case space" that teams always need.

Nah, they could have found Logan a spot regardless

What pushed them to this decision was having to keep Urbik on the roster and also wanting to keep Legursky and Foster

That's 3 backup interior linemen plus Shipley who will likely be on the practice squad

Preacher
08-31-2009, 11:02 PM
Nah, they could have found Logan a spot regardless

What pushed them to this decision was having to keep Urbik on the roster and also wanting to keep Legursky and Foster

That's 3 backup interior linemen plus Shipley who will likely be on the practice squad

The trouble is, I am not sure you can just find a spot for logan. He IS going to take someone else's spot. I was wondering of IR allowed him to take Stapleton's spot on the team... since Essex seems to be doing really well there.

However, I think you are right SH... I didn't think about Legursky. Maybe Legursky pushed Stapleton to IR. Because either way, that kind of surgery (from what I understand) is only a month or so for recovery. That means he would have been back for at least 2/3rds of the year... and strong for about 1/2 the season.

I do think stashing him on IR this year was in relation to the development of another player.

OneForTheToe
08-31-2009, 11:08 PM
I think he gets paid on IR except for any incentive based bonus money. So, I don't know is we get a break with the Salary cap. I doubt it.

Steel Head
09-01-2009, 12:10 AM
The trouble is, I am not sure you can just find a spot for logan. He IS going to take someone else's spot. I was wondering of IR allowed him to take Stapleton's spot on the team... since Essex seems to be doing really well there.

However, I think you are right SH... I didn't think about Legursky. Maybe Legursky pushed Stapleton to IR. Because either way, that kind of surgery (from what I understand) is only a month or so for recovery. That means he would have been back for at least 2/3rds of the year... and strong for about 1/2 the season.

I do think stashing him on IR this year was in relation to the development of another player.

Yeah, i def. think it was Legursky showing the flexibility to be able to start at guard and center

MasterOfPuppets
09-01-2009, 12:20 AM
I dont think you can cut a guy who has an injury without having a grievance filed by the NFLPA, so that is why Stapleton was put on IR and not just cut.

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http://www.videojug.com/expertanswer/making-money-in-the-nfl-2/does-an-nfl-player-who-gets-cut-still-get-paid-if-hes-injured

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-01-2009, 12:52 AM
Yeah, i def. think it was Legursky showing the flexibility to be able to start at guard and center

I agree. Legursky's emergence made an injured Stapleton expendible.

If Tomlin can find a roster spot for Allen Rossum to do nothing but return kicks...he would find a roster spot for Logan to do the same.

Fire Haley
09-01-2009, 02:11 AM
The fact that Essex is taking Stapletons spot made Stapleton expendable.

Legursky might push Kemo for his job though.

Galax Steeler
09-01-2009, 06:47 AM
No surprises here like others have stated the next cut is when the heads will really roll.

SteelMember
09-01-2009, 08:28 AM
My point was everything else being equal... The Logan situation pushed them to this decision IMO. It is the best thing. It keeps Stapleton around next spring so they can take a look at him and then make a decision. AND it allows Logan to play. It also clears a little bit of room for the cap... that "just in case space" that teams always need.

I don't think that is the case.

I think he gets paid on IR except for any incentive based bonus money. So, I don't know is we get a break with the Salary cap. I doubt it.

This is what I thought. We paid guys like Batch last year even though they were on IR.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2009, 08:35 AM
You can cut a player with an injury and without a grievance filing. You would have to pay them a severance fee and him signing a waiver to grievance.
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Exactly right...The Bears just did this with Dusty Dvoracek.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-01-2009, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the info on the grievance filing.

I still think Stapleton was basically of the same size and skills as Shipley, with an injury that wasnt going to have him back soon. That is why he is on IR.

The Lakelander
09-01-2009, 09:23 AM
I'm not sure how it is that you all are equating Stapleton's IR move with Logan making this team ... ????

The two situations are entirely un-related.

The Steelers kept 9 O-linemen last year and will keep 9 again this year.

As for RB's, the Steelers kept 5 last year (4 plus a FB).

RB is a position that they can actually afford to keep 6 this year.

With the rash of injuries the Steelers experienced in 2008 (Parker and Mendenhall) and with Stefan Logan being a very limited player at the RB position (have any of us seen Logan take a handoff in pre-season ... ???) it is very possible that the Steelers decide to keep an extra RB this year (6 instead of 5).

Logan is a "specialist" and for him to make this team, the Steelers likely make room somewhere else on this roster.